DADT Repeal: Navy chaplains authorized to perform same-sex marriages

posted at 6:20 pm on May 10, 2011 by J.E. Dyer

Another of my predictions about the consequences of repealing Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell (DADT) has proven valid.  A Department of the Navy memo from 13 April indicates that Navy chaplains will be authorized to perform same-sex marriages on military bases in states where same-sex marriage is recognized.

Navy Times reports as follows:

The federal Defense of Marriage Act defines marriage as between a man and a woman. Responding to questions about the law and the new policy in an email, Defense Department spokeswoman Eileen Lainez wrote: “DOMA does not limit the type of religious ceremonies a chaplain may perform in a chapel on a military installation. Chaplains are authorized to perform religious ceremonies consistent with the practices of the chaplain’s faith group in chapels on military installations.”

This is transparently a dodge.  The other services – Army and Air Force; Navy policy on the chaplaincy applies to the Marine Corps as well – are not addressing the issue of same-sex marriages performed by chaplains on military bases.  But it is only a matter of time until they are forced to address it.

As the Navy Times article observes, members of Congress object to the Navy guidance, some of them stating explicitly that it violates DOMA.  But the Obama administration has announced that it will not defend DOMA in court, so it is not clear how Congress can proceed to prevent chaplains from presiding over same-sex marriages on military bases.

The obvious questions that will be raised include how such marriages are to be treated by the military, an agency of the federal government, and how they will be treated when the servicemembers are transferred to states that don’t recognize same-sex marriage.  These questions will be dealt with through lawsuits.

One lawsuit that is coming will be against a chaplain who declines to perform a same-sex ceremony.  The assurances of DOD spokesmen that chaplains won’t be asked to do anything inconsistent with their faith are meaningless.  Chaplains are federal employees.  There will be a judge somewhere who will accord a hearing to the argument that a chaplain has wrongfully discriminated.  The argument will be that clerics should be free to believe anything they want, but that the federal government should not allow them to discriminate in the performance of their duties if they are in its employ.

Don’t bet against it.  Two years ago, advocates for repeal of DADT pooh-poohed the idea that anyone wanted to use that as a wedge to attack DOMA and bring federal recognition of same-sex marriage in the back door.  But their statements have been proven invalid.  My predictions, on the other hand, are coming true.

J.E. Dyer’s articles have appeared at The Green Room, Commentary’s “contentions,Patheos, The Weekly Standard online, and her own blog, The Optimistic Conservative.

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“In the Navy…”
-Village People…

mjbrooks3 on May 10, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Anyone shocked by this is either an idiot or a liar.

OhioCoastie on May 10, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Another of my predictions about the consequences of repealing Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell (DADT) has proven valid.

No, it hasn’t, Dyer.

A Department of the Navy memo from 13 April indicates that Navy chaplains will be authorized to perform same-sex marriages on military bases in states where same-sex marriage is recognized.

“Authorized” does not mean “forced”. Oy.

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Navy chaplains will be authorized to perform same-sex marriages on military bases…

Authorized or required?

Fallon on May 10, 2011 at 6:24 PM

What does “serving openly” mean, anyway?

OhioCoastie on May 10, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Primary the RINO’s that passed this with the left.

jp on May 10, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Rum Sodomy and the Lash

Caper29 on May 10, 2011 at 6:25 PM

DADT Repeal: Navy chaplains authorized to perform same-sex marriages

In no time this will mean Navy chaplains forced to perform same sex marriage, or leave the Navy.

100% guaranteed.

darwin on May 10, 2011 at 6:32 PM

The argument will be that clerics should be free to believe anything they want, but that the federal government should not allow them to discriminate in the performance of their duties if they are in its employ.

So you’re going to tell priests, pastors, rabbis and imams that if they want to keep their jobs, they’ll have to betray their faith? Think those sailors might miss having chaplains around?

Dee2008 on May 10, 2011 at 6:32 PM

Just embrace it. All the cultural and political elites have. It’s the new normal. Just ask any celebrity.

In the batter’s circle: incest. After all, why should two consenting adults be forbidden to love each other, and to celebrate that love openly?

keep the change on May 10, 2011 at 6:32 PM

This is one reason I am no longer a Navy Chaplain (1990 -2000). There is already a class action lawsuit against the Navy for discriminating against evangelical/conservative chaplains (http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=16781). The Navy is using every tactic possible to stall the suit. If this were a question of gender or race the suit would have been over a LONG time ago.
It is already against policy (law) to speak the name of Jesus. It is obvious where this is headed.

Craniac on May 10, 2011 at 6:34 PM

It’s for the Rear Admiral with a special love of the Seaman under him.

RBMN on May 10, 2011 at 6:35 PM

Barry and Gates think they were clever in repealing DADT.

Next on the agenda:
1) Same sex military couple want to marry in a state that does not recognize same-sex marriage. “Equal Protection” lawsuit.
2) Same sex couple demand dependent privileges for medical care, housing, allotment checks, PX and Commissary privileges.
“Equal Protection” lawsuit.
3) Same sex married couple are transferred to a state that does not recognize their union. “Equal Protection” lawsuit.

Yeah, Barry, you were really clever and thought repeal would end the issue.

IT’S ONLY JUST BEGUN…………………

GarandFan on May 10, 2011 at 6:35 PM

In the batter’s circle: incest. After all, why should two consenting adults be forbidden to love each other, and to celebrate that love openly?

keep the change on May 10, 2011 at 6:32 PM

Especially now that birth control and/or abortion can so easily deal with those pesky little erm… side effects?

Dee2008 on May 10, 2011 at 6:35 PM

“Authorized” does not mean “forced”. Oy.

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 6:23 PM

You’ve never been in the military, I take it?

gryphon202 on May 10, 2011 at 6:35 PM

Oh goody!! Wait until two guys “marry” and then insist on being billeted together on a naval vessel. Should be an unprecidented nutroll clusterfark fun.

This move is the very definition of an unforced error.

CantCureStupid on May 10, 2011 at 6:36 PM

What would Jesus do?

JellyToast on May 10, 2011 at 6:37 PM

“Authorized” does not mean “forced”. Oy.

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 6:23 PM

One lawsuit away.

I wonder whether the plaintiffs in that first lawsuit will include a count to have the tax-exempt status of the federal government revoked.

BuckeyeSam on May 10, 2011 at 6:37 PM

It is already against policy (law) to speak the name of Jesus. It is obvious where this is headed.

Craniac on May 10, 2011 at 6:34 PM

A Navy chaplain can’t say Jesus?

darwin on May 10, 2011 at 6:38 PM

No true minister of God would perform a “marriage” ceremony for homosexuals.

flyfisher on May 10, 2011 at 6:38 PM

The argument will be that clerics should be free to believe anything they want, but that the federal government should not allow them to discriminate in the performance of their duties if they are in its employ.

So you’re going to tell priests, pastors, rabbis and imams that if they want to keep their jobs, they’ll have to betray their faith? Think those sailors might miss having chaplains around?

Dee2008 on May 10, 2011 at 6:32 PM

That’s only one of Dyer’s nonsensical “predictions”. People need to (pardon the pun) get this straight…no chaplain, priest, church, religion, etc. will ever be required or forced to perform gay marriage.

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 6:38 PM

What would Jesus do?

JellyToast on May 10, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Well for starters, Jesus couldn’t join the Navy. His presence might offend someone. Plus, Jesus’ name is banned in the Navy anyway.

darwin on May 10, 2011 at 6:39 PM

Two benefits to this for Obarfa:

1) Appeasement of the left

2) Large numbers of more conservative military members, especially officers, leaving the service over this in favor of left-wingers. Eventually the military, starting with the Navy, moves into alignment with the rest of the bureaucracy as left-leaning.

I suppose the question of “Navy performing same-sex marriages” wasn’t included in any of those farcical surveys distributed to the troops last year, was it? Oh well – SURPRISE!

fiatboomer on May 10, 2011 at 6:40 PM

“Authorized” does not mean “forced”. Oy.

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Yes, and the superiors of Maj. Hasan weren’t “forced” to ignore his aberrant behavior.

Gimme a break.

BuckeyeSam on May 10, 2011 at 6:41 PM

People need to (pardon the pun) get this straight…no chaplain, priest, church, religion, etc. will ever be required or forced to perform gay marriage.

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 6:38 PM

You’re right. They won’t be forced, they’ll just be told to resign.

I don’t know how you can be so blind to this. This has nothing to do with gays, just like “climate change” has nothing to do with climate. It’s merely another avenue to attack traditional values and religion.

darwin on May 10, 2011 at 6:42 PM

My Synod’s policy of serving our sons in the military by means other than submitting to the policies and restrictions of the chaplaincy corps is wiser and wiser as time passes. One prays that no chaplain will be required to betray his conscience, for to do so is both unwise and dangerous.

Indeed, the betrayal of conscience is unwise and dangerous in the pursuit of any vocation common to mankind.

This is a filthy business, and one prays for the return of the anti-sodomy laws which were the norm during most of the history of our Republic.

Scribbler on May 10, 2011 at 6:44 PM

That’s only one of Dyer’s nonsensical “predictions”. People need to (pardon the pun) get this straight…no chaplain, priest, church, religion, etc. will ever be required or forced to perform gay marriage.

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 6:38 PM

Wanna bet, genius?

OhioCoastie on May 10, 2011 at 6:44 PM

Romans 1:21
“… because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.”

JellyToast on May 10, 2011 at 6:44 PM

Wanna bet, genius?

OhioCoastie on May 10, 2011 at 6:44 PM

You gotta be kidding with that crud.

Oh, well…all you misinformed anti-gay crowd continue your clusterfark of fearful “predictions”…Still waiting for that mass exodus from the military and decline in recruits and the end of Western civilization plus the destruction of Christianity.

Heck, I got a lot to do…better get going. *sigh*

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 6:51 PM

That’s only one of Dyer’s nonsensical “predictions”. People need to (pardon the pun) get this straight…no chaplain, priest, church, religion, etc. will ever be required or forced to perform gay marriage.

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 6:38 PM

I’d have more confidence in what you’re saying if we hadn’t been labeled “hysterical” for predicting that the military would one day make allowances for gay marriage.

So now we’re labeled hysterical for believing the Navy could make this a condition of employment. Sorry, but I believe they will.

Dee2008 on May 10, 2011 at 6:53 PM

JellyToast, here’s a detailed look at the first chapter of the Book of Romans that obliterates the “homosexuals-can-be-sincere-Christians” assertion.

OhioCoastie on May 10, 2011 at 6:54 PM

You gotta be kidding with that crud.

Not kidding.

Heck, I got a lot to do…better get going. *sigh*

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 6:51 PM

Not surprised.

OhioCoastie on May 10, 2011 at 6:56 PM

It is sad that Navy Chaplains are going to be forced to show respect for homosexual marriages.

When so many homosexuals have shown so much contempt for the Chaplain’s religious beliefs.

If you are over 18 and want to see an outrageous example Google:

Zombie + Easter + San Francisco

To see how Easter was celebrated in the gay community in San Francisco.

There goes San Francisco’s reputation as a “tolerant” city.

wren on May 10, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Excellent news. When the law stopped discriminating among races, societal acceptance and integration increased steadily increased thereafter. If the law recognizes people as second-class citizens, it is natural that this animus will be reflected in society. Equality under the law doesn’t cure racism, homophobia, religious animosity or other types of prejudice, but it helps immeasurably. Love and appreciation to the U.S. Navy, and optimism that the rest of the armed services and federal government will soon follow suit.

IU_Conservative on May 10, 2011 at 7:04 PM

JellyToast, here’s a detailed look at the first chapter of the Book of Romans that obliterates the “homosexuals-can-be-sincere-Christians” assertion.

OhioCoastie on May 10, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Paul was not speaking against homosexuals in Romans…but of the Greek’s sexual behavior in temple worship.

I’m Catholic…and you can have your opinions of gays…but I draw the line at anyone telling me I cannot be “sincere” in my Christian faith because I’m gay.

Remove the log from your own eye before you try to take the splinter out of mine. Judge not…

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 7:05 PM

Gee, JetBoy, I thought you were busy backpedaling that you fell off the edge of the site.

There is nothing sadder than people who lie to themselves, the way you do.

When the lawsuits come and chaplains have to resign, what will you say, then?

JannyMae on May 10, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Remove the log from your own eye before you try to take the splinter out of mine. Judge not…

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 7:05 PM

Go and sin no more….

JannyMae on May 10, 2011 at 7:12 PM

When the lawsuits come and chaplains have to resign, what will you say, then?

JannyMae on May 10, 2011 at 7:11 PM

What will you say when that does not happen?

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 7:13 PM

I hope they’l still perform “traditional shotgun” weddings on subs too…now that the Feminazis are going onto them. Watch out Navy wives…

Twana on May 10, 2011 at 7:17 PM

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 7:05 PM

JetBoy, you and I agree on most things here and I certainly don’t judge you. Nothing I’ve said on this thread was intended as a slam against you, and I hope you haven’t taken it that way. But I feel like maybe you don’t have a clear perspective on this one. You SO want it to be okay that you aren’t seeing the pitfalls. I just honestly don’t see how this ends without a very ugly clash with the religious communities.

Dee2008 on May 10, 2011 at 7:17 PM

Boot Camp. Interesting times.

Bishop on May 10, 2011 at 7:19 PM

“In the Navy…”
-Village People…

mjbrooks3 on May 10, 2011 at 6:21 PM

DAMN!!

This is gonna make crossing the Equator REAL intersting.

“ssAAYYYY, anybody up for sssome Shellbacks?”

44Magnum on May 10, 2011 at 7:23 PM

JetBoy, it’s one thing to have homosexual feelings, but it’s a whole different matter to act out upon those feelings. It’s okay to have impure feelings if you don’t act upon them. Straight Christian guys have lots of lusty feelings, but they are told to express them only with their female spouse. But if straights or gay guys practice sex outside of marriage, that is sin. Te Bible is clear about that. What Obama is doing to the military and our society is literally an abomination in God’s eyes.

mydh12 on May 10, 2011 at 7:24 PM

People who claim to be Christians need to study the New Testament for themselves to see what it actually says, instead of listening to spin presented by those who wish to promote a social agenda. The New Testament is quite clear on the subject of homosexuality.

Rose on May 10, 2011 at 7:25 PM

Paul was not speaking against homosexuals in Romans…but of the Greek’s sexual behavior in temple worship.

How on Earth did you come to that conclusion?

I’m Catholic…and you can have your opinions of gays…but I draw the line at anyone telling me I cannot be “sincere” in my Christian faith because I’m gay.

Wrong. Check verse 32. You’re in direct, active rebellion against God.

Remove the log from your own eye before you try to take the splinter out of mine. Judge not…

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 7:05 PM

So it’s wrong to judge?

OhioCoastie on May 10, 2011 at 7:26 PM

When the lawsuits come and chaplains have to resign, what will you say, then?

JannyMae on May 10, 2011 at 7:11 PM

What will you say when that does not happen?

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 7:13 PM

Why do you insist this won’t happen, when the gay activists have plainly stated that this is their goal? Why were people like J. E. Dyer and myself ridiculed and called bigots and haters when we predicted that DADT repeal was going to lead to a push for gay marriage? Your delusions don’t match reality, but you will cling to them and come up with another excuse when you are proven wrong again.

JannyMae on May 10, 2011 at 7:29 PM

So…you maintain your home state residency, but you are stationed in say..Massachusetts…you can get married…ummmm…..ahh…

You get transferred to Virginia…ahh….errrrr…

Does the Navy recognize the marriage as far as dependent/beneficiary things go???

What the hell??

BigWyo on May 10, 2011 at 7:30 PM

The New Testament is quite clear on the subject of homosexuality.

Rose on May 10, 2011 at 7:25 PM

Yup.

OhioCoastie on May 10, 2011 at 7:30 PM

…no chaplain, priest, church, religion, etc. will ever be required or forced to perform gay marriage….

When the lawsuits come and chaplains have to resign, what will you say, then?

JannyMae on May 10, 2011 at 7:11 PM

What will you say when that does not happen?

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 6:38 PM

Are you really that naive about the American legal system of 2011?

When I was a kid, the argument was, “We only want several rows on the airplane where smoking isn’t allowed.” Now you can’t smoke in a public park.

Homosexuals will never be satisfied with any legal victory. Like all other liberals, they have a mental disorder.

TugboatPhil on May 10, 2011 at 7:31 PM

This gives new meaning to launch torpedoes!

Seriously, this is not only disgusting, vile, and disgraceful, but it’s an abomination to religion. Watch for the left to force churches to do the same given that the feds are now forcing the military to commit open sins.

madmonkphotog on May 10, 2011 at 7:35 PM

The New Testament is quite clear on the subject of homosexuality.

Rose on May 10, 2011 at 7:25 PM

Indeed. It’s judgment, a sign of God turning a man or woman over to their natural reprobate minds.

flyfisher on May 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM

Homosexuals will never be satisfied with any legal victory. Like all other liberals, they have a mental disorder.

TugboatPhil on May 10, 2011 at 7:31 PM

I’m not a liberal.

Dee2008 on May 10, 2011 at 7:17 PM

Cheers. Sorry if I come off as “angry” on this subject, but this is one topic where a lot of people bring it out in me. Either way, neither of us (I assume) has a crystal ball and can see the future, but I disagree on that.

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM

The obvious questions that will be raised include how such marriages are to be treated by the military, an agency of the federal government, and how they will be treated when the servicemembers are transferred to states that don’t recognize same-sex marriage. These questions will be dealt with through lawsuits.

I guess I should RTFA before I ask these questions.

BigWyo on May 10, 2011 at 7:39 PM

The New Testament is quite clear on the subject of homosexuality.

Rose on May 10, 2011 at 7:25 PM

Yeah, Jesus spoke of it often.

Oh, wait…He didn’t! Not even once.

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 7:39 PM


These questions will be dealt with through lawsuits.

Oh, and if there’s two things that go together better than the military and law suits, I have yet to see it.

Good grief.

BigWyo on May 10, 2011 at 7:41 PM

If you throw out the New Testament teachings, there is no Chrisian church. The church’s founders were the apostles and the dictates of Christianity were written by them in their epistles. Why do you bother if you don’t even believe the New Testament?

Rose on May 10, 2011 at 7:41 PM

I’m Catholic…and you can have your opinions of gays…but I draw the line at anyone telling me I cannot be “sincere” in my Christian faith because I’m gay.

Remove the log from your own eye before you try to take the splinter out of mine. Judge not…

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 7:05 PM

You can sincerely believe elves live in the woodpile and all your sincerity will not make it real. Sincerity does not equal right.

Judge not? Perfect example of someone using a scripture to build a god that is a figment of their imagination. Lets finish the verse…. “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.”

So in other words… if you judge others, be prepared to stand in judgment yourself. In other words, don’t be a hypocrite. People think this means Christians shouldn’t judge, which is ridiculous. No, it just means what it says… if you judge someone, make sure your life can stand up to the same judgment.

Zech. 3:7 “If you will walk in My ways,
And if you will keep My command,
Then you shall also judge My house,
And likewise have charge of My courts;
I will give you places to walk
Among these who stand here.”

Luke 12:57

“Yes, and why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right?

Here are a few sections of a great pamphlet from Last Days Ministries, “I’m Gay, OK?”

The battle is not over your desires, but over your will. The people that the Lord gives up to their selfish desires are not people who couldn’t do what was right, but people who wouldn’t do what was right. Jesus said, “And this is the judgment, that the light is come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their deeds were evil.” (John 3:19) It’s not just a matter of liking the darkness. No, loving the darkness is an intense clinging with no letting go.

Can you imagine standing in front of a judge in traffic court saying, “But your honor, I really wanted to stop at that red light”? He’s not going to care at all what you wanted to do, what he wants to know is what did you end up doing?

http://lastdaysministries.com/Articles/1000008559/Last_Days_Ministries/LDM/Discipleship_Teachings/Other/Im_Gay_O.aspx

And for that old “But I was born this way…” well, Jesus said we all have to born again anyway.

John 3:3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”

JellyToast on May 10, 2011 at 7:42 PM

This is another example of why Republicans, Conservatives, and especially Christians should oppose gay marriage. It is ultimately about the normalization of homosexuality and the power to punish anyone who objects to it. There is nothing Republican or Conservative or Christian about supporting a policy that will lead to the persecution of those who morally object to the normalization of homosexuality. You might as well support the tolerance of Sharia Law in America. The end result will likely be the same: the intolerance of dissent.

Blue Collar Todd on May 10, 2011 at 7:45 PM

Oh, wait…He didn’t! Not even once.

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 7:39 PM

He didn’t speak about child serial murderers who rape dead cows either, so I guess that means they are free and clear heaven bound.

But again, like so many other things in life, being a follower and believer of Jesus is not an argument won. It is a decision made.

JellyToast on May 10, 2011 at 7:46 PM

Yeah, Jesus spoke of it often.

Oh, wait…He didn’t! Not even once.

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 7:39 PM

What a total dodge. Try again, JetBoy. You’re getting desperate.

OhioCoastie on May 10, 2011 at 7:47 PM

John 3:3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”

JellyToast on May 10, 2011 at 7:42 PM

Born again “of water and spirit”. It’s called baptism.

“Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.” –Romans 13:8

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 7:48 PM

Mr. JetBoy: The whole of Scripture is the Word of God, Jesus is the Word made flesh. Every Scripture speaking to homosexuality is therefore the word of Jesus. That is the reasonable conclusion of the first chapter of the Gospel of St. John, and of our Lord’s claim that the entire Law and Prophets speak of Him.

I’ve translated (with attention to grammatical context) every reference to homosexuality in the Old and New Testaments. The Scripture is both explicit and detailed in its condemnation of homosexual thoughts and behaviors.

To argue to the contrary is either an exercise born of ignorance of the text, or an explicit sophistry. I assume the kindest possible motive to your words, and suppose you therefore are ignorant. But that’s a defect which may always be improved by knowledge. I trust you’ll take advantage of the opportunity to learn what the Scripture says, for the Scripture is One and cannot be broken.

Scribbler on May 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM

Scribbler, what we’re seeing from JetBoy is active and willful and open rebellion against God.

OhioCoastie on May 10, 2011 at 7:51 PM

Scribbler, what we’re seeing from JetBoy is active and willful and open rebellion against God.

OhioCoastie on May 10, 2011 at 7:51 PM

God Bless, and good night. I can include you in my prayers, and at mass every Sunday. God might tend to differ with you on my “willful rebellion” against Him. May He have mercy on all our souls.

Peace.

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 8:00 PM

JetBoy is a Moby – and he’s trolling you.

Rebar on May 10, 2011 at 8:05 PM

“Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.” –Romans 13:8

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 7:48 PM

You need a new Bible. Yours is missing some verses. Here’s the rest of Romans:

Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,”[a] “You shall not covet,”[b] and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”[c] 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Put on Christ

11 And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. 13 Let us walk properly, as in the day, not in revelry and drunkenness, not in lewdness and lust, not in strife and envy. 14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts.

So, again, building your own god around a verse or two.. . But, whatever.
All I can tell you is homosexuality is a sin. I know you’ve read the verses. They’re easy to look up. Just bing “Bible homosexuality” or something.
But hey, it’s obvious you have made your choice. There’s no point in going back and forth.
I will only end with what I have said in the past. On a personal level, if someone wants to be gay it’s their business. It’s a free country. If people kept their homosexuality in their bedrooms, no one would care or notice. But that’s not what the homosexual activists are about. they are putting their homosexuality out on the public streets, in our parks, in our schools and now in our military and they are demanding everyone embrace it and love it. Soon, I imagine you will be called a bigot if you haven’t had a homosexual experience or two.
The gay activists really are proving the Bible true. Their mob mentality is the same as it was presented in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Yeah, I remember clearly when this all got started. I was in 12th grade. It was all about just being left alone. Not being fired and discriminated against. Now it’s about demanding acceptance or we will target you.
Personally, I think the gay community is being used right now and will eventually be turned on by the left. It’s just a gut feeling I have.

JellyToast on May 10, 2011 at 8:09 PM

JetBoy is a Moby – and he’s trolling you.

Rebar on May 10, 2011 at 8:05 PM

Was there supposed to be a ‘/’ in there somewhere???

Jeeze, lay off JetBoy…..

BigWyo on May 10, 2011 at 8:16 PM

Jeeze, lay off JetBoy…..

BigWyo on May 10, 2011 at 8:16 PM

A Catholic who believes homosexuality and gay marriage is just fine? A conservative who pushes DADT repeal and gay marriage?

I call them as I see them, and I see a Moby.

Rebar on May 10, 2011 at 8:20 PM

Rebar on May 10, 2011 at 8:20 PM

JetBoy is no Moby…he has strong feelings on the subject for obvious reasons…He’s gay.

I’m on your side of the gay marriage thing BTW…..just not for religious reasons.

BigWyo on May 10, 2011 at 8:27 PM

Of course this was always about gay marriage. And forced acceptance of a ‘lifestyle’. Which I never understood: Is it a lifestyle, way of life or are people born that way?

And if there was never any fear of lawsuits about it, why is the Navy ‘getting in front’ of this issue? Because they know its coming.

The other services will follow.

Once the first homosexuals are married in the military, the States will then be forced – again through lawsuits – to recognize them the moment they get stationed in any other state. Discrimination will be the (basic) charge, and they’ll be right.

And as I argued many times in many other threads, and many advocates for DADT said would never happen is that people will be forced to abide by laws they don’t agree with. But the rationale homosexuals had won’t be allowed anymore: being true to yourself if you’re a Christian or hetero won’t matter.

And whereas one group of people – who could already live their life how they wanted – ‘came out’ of the closet, others will be pushed into it by the state and be forced by rule of law not to live their lives how they wish.

But don’t worry, that’ll never happen either…

catmman on May 10, 2011 at 8:49 PM

JetBoy is no Moby…he has strong feelings on the subject for obvious reasons…He’s gay.

I’m on your side of the gay marriage thing BTW…..just not for religious reasons.

BigWyo on May 10, 2011 at 8:27 PM

Thank you.

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 8:50 PM

All of this paranoia (if it’s actually sincere) is ridiculous. Are Catholic chaplains forced to marry divorcees? Are Jewish chaplains forced to preside over Muslim marriage ceremonies?

SDnocoen on May 10, 2011 at 8:51 PM

Paul was not speaking against homosexuals in Romans…but of the Greek’s sexual behavior in temple worship.

How on Earth did you come to that conclusion?

Remove the log from your own eye before you try to take the splinter out of mine. Judge not…

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 7:05 PM

So it’s wrong to judge?

OhioCoastie on May 10, 2011 at 9:02 PM

“It is already against policy (law) to speak the name of Jesus. It is obvious where this is headed.

Craniac on May 10, 2011 at 6:34 PM

A Navy chaplain can’t say Jesus?

darwin on May 10, 2011 at 6:38 PM”

A Chaplain can say “Jesus” in a chapel worship service but pretty much nowhere else.
Chaplains are called on to offer prayers for many occasions outside the Chapel (retirements, promotions, Change of Command, Navy or Marine Corps birthday etc ). Just before “lights out” on a ship at sea a Chaplain offers prayer over the 1MC (loudspeaker). You cannot use the name of Jesus. A Muslim Imam can however pray to Allah.

Craniac on May 10, 2011 at 9:03 PM

Divorcees are not a special interest group who are demnding society change for them. And a Muslim would never want a Jewish person anywhere near their marriage ceremonies. As long as gays continue to whine and use the courts to force to change society to appease them, people of religious conviction are not being paranoid.

Rose on May 10, 2011 at 9:04 PM

All of this paranoia (if it’s actually sincere) is ridiculous. Are Catholic chaplains forced to marry divorcees? Are Jewish chaplains forced to preside over Muslim marriage ceremonies?

SDnocoen on May 10, 2011 at 8:51 PM

The short answer in “no”. the longer answer is that any conservative Christian Chaplain IS forced to “water down” their faith.

Orthodox Priests are required by their Church to use the name of Jesus in every prayer. The Navy forbids the use of Jesus’ name in public prayers (outside the Chapel). So…Orthodox priests are forced to “accommodate”.

Craniac on May 10, 2011 at 9:08 PM

What would Jesus do?

JellyToast on May 10, 2011 at 6:37 PM

I’m sure Jesus would be welcome to preside at a gay wedding.

thuja on May 10, 2011 at 9:21 PM

Don’t bet against it. Two years ago, advocates for repeal of DADT pooh-poohed the idea that anyone wanted to use that as a wedge to attack DOMA and bring federal recognition of same-sex marriage in the back door. But their statements have been proven invalid. My predictions, on the other hand, are coming true.

If your idea is that any victory on the path to gay marriage is just going to bring more demands for gay marriage, you are right. We are not stopping until we get gay marriage. And to me gay marriage looks so inevitable that I wish the leftist gay groups would stop with the lawsuits and the victories in court. I want to win gay marriage through democracy. The good news is that once we have gay marriage, it should dry up a major source of funds for the Democrats.

thuja on May 10, 2011 at 9:30 PM

Chaplains are allowed to refuse marrying same sex couples, and the actual Christian ones will exercise that refusal.

Hening on May 10, 2011 at 9:33 PM

Remove the log from your own eye before you try to take the splinter out of mine. Judge not…

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 7:05 PM

I’m a Jew and what do I know? But I think you are making this verse say something which Jesus never intended. I can’t imagine that Jesus meant to stop thinking, to say that we should never judge people who rape kids, torture animals, allow poisons in our waters to make a buck, and so forth. I guess he wanted people at the personal level to think with compassion about others. But Jesus probably assumed that a government is required to take care of the evil doers. And that government must judge, and as voters we are the government and are required to make judgments about homosexuality among a host of other issues. This is a democratic rendering unto Caeser’s what is Caeser’s.

thuja on May 10, 2011 at 9:41 PM

If your idea is that any victory on the path to gay marriage is just going to bring more demands for gay marriage, you are right. We are not stopping until we get gay marriage.

thuja on May 10, 2011 at 9:30 PM

Quite right.

That would be because you don’t really actually care about gay marriage.

Gay marriage is simply a convenient subterfuge for an all-out attack on religion, your parents, and anyone else who dared to question or criticize what you were doing.

Seriously. What benefit will gay-sex marriage bring? Do you expect gays to suddenly become socially responsible? Do you expect gays to stop having bareback sex and spreading HIV at an abominable rate? Do you expect gays to stop mocking religious beliefs and religious people? Do you expect gays to stop demanding special privileges in the workplace and filing lawsuits when they’re not allowed to sexually harass their coworkers?

Seriously. What statistics can you bring forward? How many of Massachusetts’s gay-sex couples that were screaming for marriage have? How many gay-sex couples have taken They’ve all seen rises in HIV rates; what about the social benefits? They’re openly endorsing and supporting taking children to sex fairs; how does that add value to society?

northdallasthirty on May 10, 2011 at 9:41 PM

And, let the hyperventilation begin ………… er, continue over the gay issue.
 
SC.Charlie on May 10, 2011 at 2:28 PM

 
Or over the preventable degradation of our representative republic.
 
rogerb on May 10, 2011 at 2:38 PM

 
Yeah, no heteros do that. It’s totally a teh ghey thing.
 
JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 2:46 PM

 
Our duty is to prevent it everywhere, even on teh ghey things. Right?
 
rogerb on May 10, 2011 at 2:53 PM

 
Jetboy, since you stopped posting on the original thread but posted here at 7:38:
 

I’m not a liberal.
 
JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 7:38 PM

 
I’d appreciate a response to my original 2:53 question.

rogerb on May 10, 2011 at 9:48 PM

Polygamist submarines crews demand equal treatment!

profitsbeard on May 10, 2011 at 9:58 PM

let’s see satanic and wiccan marriages = net good gay marriages equal the fall of religion and western society. I totally get it. y’all crazy

Zekecorlain on May 10, 2011 at 10:52 PM

For any religious people that for some crazy reason voted for Obama, realize this kind of stuff ALWAYS accompanies voting for Democrats.

Iowa learned the hard way after scratching their heads when the conservative state’s supreme court legalized gay marriage. The judges were appointed by the Democrats they insist on voting for consistently.

scotash on May 11, 2011 at 12:41 AM

People need to (pardon the pun) get this straight…no chaplain, priest, church, religion, etc. will ever be required or forced to perform gay marriage.

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 6:38 PM

Forced at gunpoint? No. Forced under threat of court-martial? It will happen, eventually. Long before that, the refusal to condone homosexuality will have an adverse effect on careers.

There Goes The Neighborhood on May 11, 2011 at 1:08 AM

Paul was not speaking against homosexuals in Romans…but of the Greek’s sexual behavior in temple worship.

Hmmm.

“And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men doing that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.”

Yeah, I see where that must be referring to worship in Greek temples….

Maybe you should keep reading…

“And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient. Being filled with all unrighteousness”

Remove the log from your own eye before you try to take the splinter out of mine. Judge not…

JetBoy on May 10, 2011 at 7:05 PM

I think you’re missing the whole point of that analogy, which is the hypocrisy of doing what you know is wrong while correcting others.

There Goes The Neighborhood on May 11, 2011 at 1:25 AM

JetBoy is forced to twist the plain meaning of the Bible because there’s no other way to justify his chosen sexual behavior.

OhioCoastie on May 11, 2011 at 5:01 AM

The Navy just started backpedalling.

JetBoy hardest hit?

OhioCoastie on May 11, 2011 at 9:00 AM

Ready when you are rogerb….

JetBoy on May 11, 2011 at 9:15 AM

Look about eight posts up.

rogerb on May 11, 2011 at 9:23 AM

I don’t understand what you’re asking…but you seem to be saying gays are denigrating society. Meaning, all gays.

JetBoy on May 11, 2011 at 9:54 AM

I don’t understand what you’re asking
 
JetBoy on May 11, 2011 at 9:54 AM

 
Fair enough. Heaven knows I’ve misunderstood things. Note that it has nothing to do with teh ghey. Let me re-type it:
 
Apparent attempts at degrading the basis of our representative republic should be opposed even if the action might yield something we want.
 
Yes or no?

rogerb on May 11, 2011 at 12:35 PM