Report: U.S. had agreement with Pakistani government since 2001 that we could go in to get Bin Laden

posted at 4:16 pm on May 9, 2011 by Allahpundit

Not surprising — once you remember that the U.S. always expected to find Bin Laden in Waziristan. We’ve been bombing the tribal areas for years with Pakistan’s semi-consent; if we spotted Osama in a cave in the mountains there, a few miles past the Afghan border, it’d be no great shakes to send in the SEALs to grab him and yank him out. The question, assuming that an agreement like this really did exist and that both Obama and Gen. Kayani knew about it and resolved to abide by it, is whether anyone thought it would/could mean U.S. boots on the ground an hour outside Islamabad.

The deal was struck between the military leader General Pervez Musharraf and President George Bush after Bin Laden escaped US forces in the mountains of Tora Bora in late 2001, according to serving and retired Pakistani and US officials.

Under its terms, Pakistan would allow US forces to conduct a unilateral raid inside Pakistan in search of Bin Laden, his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and the al-Qaida No3. Afterwards, both sides agreed, Pakistan would vociferously protest the incursion

A senior Pakistani official said it had been struck under Musharraf and renewed by the army during the “transition to democracy” – a six-month period from February 2008 when Musharraf was still president but a civilian government had been elected.

Referring to the assault on Bin Laden’s Abbottabad compound, the official added: “As far as our American friends are concerned, they have just implemented the agreement.”

If the Guardian’s right then Pakistani objections after the raid are just a smokescreen to hide the agreement. Isn’t it just as likely, though, that the idea of a longstanding agreement is itself a smokescreen that’s been invented to hide Pakistan’s complicity in sheltering Bin Laden? The Guardian does quote a former senior U.S. counterterror official as saying that Bush and Musharraf made a deal about U.S. troops entering Pakistan to grab OBL after 9/11, but that may have been a short-term understanding during the hottest phase of the war on terror in the months following the invasion of Afghanistan. We figured we’d catch him quickly but maybe not before he crossed the border, so we wanted permission to follow him over and grab him in the mountains. Surely no one thought we had carte blanche to land anywhere in Pakistan, particularly a military town as far-flung as Abbottabad, to get our man.

The problem here, as always, is that the phrase “Pakistani government” is essentially meaningless. Almost no one, possibly including the White House, knows for sure how far up the state’s complicity with terrorist outfits like AQ and Lashkar e-Taiba goes. Presumably not all the way up — Pakistan has, in fact, lost thousands of troops to battles with jihadists, including in Waziristan — but it must go awfully high for Osama to spend five years living just a thousand yards from the national military academy with apparently little fear of being caught. Stephen Hayes and Tom Joscelyn speculate that the CIA might have been monitoring conversations between top Pakistani officials in real time while the Bin Laden raid played out to try to get a sense of who knew what. If they’re right, that might end up being the biggest intelligence windfall of the operation, notwithstanding that trove of computer data the SEALs grabbed from the compound.

Here’s Pakistan’s prime minister addressing parliament this morning and expressing his outrageous outrage that U.S. troops would violate the nation’s territorial sovereignty yadda yadda yadda. If we do it again, he warns, “Pakistan reserves the right to retaliate with full force.” As a gloss on that, read the whole Guardian piece linked up top; this is the same guy who told U.S. counterterror officials a few years ago that he flatly didn’t care if we used drone strikes in Pakistani territory as long as we got the right people.


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All Bush’s Fault.

Del Dolemonte on May 9, 2011 at 4:18 PM

gutsy call slightly less gutsy.

rob verdi on May 9, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Good thing we had a state senator taking charge in 2001.

Vashta.Nerada on May 9, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Permission or not, those SEALs have balls.

blatantblue on May 9, 2011 at 4:20 PM

AllahPundit hardest hit.

DaydreamBeliever on May 9, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Or…OR…this could be because Pakistan knew we knew that they knew that we knew that they knew that we knew Bin Laden was in Abbottabad.

Bishop on May 9, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Old and Busted: Gutsy call
The New Hotness: That light ain’t getting any greener

Christien on May 9, 2011 at 4:22 PM

In a few more days we’ll learn Bush himself gave the orders to SEAL’s last week.

angryed on May 9, 2011 at 4:22 PM

gutsy call slightly less gutsy.

rob verdi on May 9, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Prepaid gutsy call.

the_nile on May 9, 2011 at 4:24 PM

It’s their country and if this is true, they are stating that they cannot enforce sovereignty over their own soil. This is due to the nature of the Islamic population of Pakistan who would go ballistic if a mass murderer was brought to justice by their own government.

sharrukin on May 9, 2011 at 4:25 PM

Was Pakistan’s outing of our CIA station chief part of the planned smokescreen, too?

How about our high-level accusations that Pakistan is unreliable and assists in terrorism?

I doubt it.

amerpundit on May 9, 2011 at 4:25 PM

Alt. headline: Gutsy call not as gutsy as first thought?

thirteen28 on May 9, 2011 at 4:26 PM

So when Obama said during his election campaign that if he knew where OBL was inside Pakistan he would go get him .. was indeed a breach of national security briefings he had been receiving.

Texas Gal on May 9, 2011 at 4:26 PM

Bush left the structure and strategy to kill Bin Ladin, and all Barry had to do was say “Go”.

portlandon on May 9, 2011 at 4:27 PM

So when Obama said during his election campaign that if he knew where OBL was inside Pakistan he would go get him .. was indeed a breach of national security briefings he had been receiving.

Texas Gal on May 9, 2011 at 4:26 PM

Probably.

the_nile on May 9, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Keep in mind: This agreement was based upon Pakistan actively looking for Bin Laden and the United States just stumbling upon him first. Not Pakistan actively hiding the bastard 30 miles from Islamabad.

I’m sure there was some agreement when it came to tribal regions. Pakistan probably figured it’d never have to live up to its end of the bargain because the US would never find OBL in the tribal regions. ISI was hiding him where America wouldn’t look, so they were safe.

Then America found him. Pakistan freaked out because what was never supposed to come to pass came to pass. It leaked our CIA agent’s name and started with the bullcrap that wasn’t planned, so we responded with allegations of our own because we felt betrayed. We thought the agreement was on.

amerpundit on May 9, 2011 at 4:29 PM

In a few more days we’ll learn Bush himself gave the orders to SEAL’s last week.

angryed on May 9, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Naw, I think it was Cheney.

Del Dolemonte on May 9, 2011 at 4:29 PM

Eddie Haskel (sp?)

ThePrez on May 9, 2011 at 4:34 PM

I never knew that one day I would be privy to so many national security policies and special forces procedures…

… It’s a good thing that I can keep a secret!

Oh, wait…!

Seven Percent Solution on May 9, 2011 at 4:35 PM

Keep in mind: This agreement was based upon Pakistan actively looking for Bin Laden and the United States just stumbling upon him first. Not Pakistan actively hiding the bastard 30 miles from Islamabad.

amerpundit on May 9, 2011 at 4:29 PM

I just hauled out my National Geo atlas, and did some low-tech Double-Naught Cypherin’.

The mission supposedly departed from Jalalabad in Afg. Once they crossed the border, they had to fly another 100 miles east, then bang a left at Wah (not Who) and go north another 50 or so miles. In other words, OBL was nowhere near the border.

Del Dolemonte on May 9, 2011 at 4:36 PM

is whether anyone thought it would/could mean U.S. boots on the ground an hour outside Islamabad.
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It Could’ve been worse,OBL,might of been holed
up in Behars Compound,er wait,I meant to say NK,
or Iran!!

And,I think,the US of A had the right to nab OBL,
on any place on earth,accept China would of been
tricky!!

But whats really confusing,is that according to Liberals,
former President Bush,aka,COWBOY,would of done this,you
know,everything that STANDS AGAINST THE MORALS,and DO-GOOD
ER MINDSET of Democrats,oh,and International Law too,almost
for got that one!!

but,Hopey the Fence Post Turtle Warrior,has thrown every
thing,his beliefs,principles,and yes,his policies under the
bus!!!

And,so far,has locked-stepped to every Bush Policy!!!!!!!

Man,Progressives must be be-side themslves,completely
baffled and inexplicable perplexed of Hopey The Political
Chameleone!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 4:41 PM

At this rate, we’re going to hear that Osama defriended Barry on facebook and dared him to do something about it.

Christien on May 9, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Isn’t it just as likely, though, that the idea of a longstanding agreement is itself a smokescreen that’s been invented to hide Pakistan’s complicity in sheltering Bin Laden?

You’re making my head hurt, AllahPundit.

rbj on May 9, 2011 at 4:41 PM

In a few more days we’ll learn Bush himself gave the orders to SEAL’s last week.

angryed on May 9, 2011 at 4:22 PM

And a few more days after that, we’ll find out that W was the one who pulled the trigger and shot OBL. That way, when the UN files charges against us for violating international law, it can be….Bush’s fault.

joejm65 on May 9, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Abby Adams on May 9, 2011 at 4:31 PM

Abby Adams on May 9, 2011 at 4:29 PM

How soon we forget…thanks.

d1carter on May 9, 2011 at 4:42 PM

And evidently in helos outfitted with stealth capability!

21st Century Cowboys!!

Texas Gal on May 9, 2011 at 4:43 PM

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canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 4:46 PM

So, in other words, George W Bush set up the ball, Leon Panetta spiked it, and Barack Obama gave the interview after the game.

JEM on May 9, 2011 at 4:47 PM

gutsy call slightly less gutsy.

rob verdi on May 9, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Definitely. I’ll give credit where credit is due, but Obama sure cashed in a lot of self credit when more and more seems owed to Bush.

Daemonocracy on May 9, 2011 at 4:50 PM

And if Obama had been no-go, then Hillary would have leaked the info in 2012. She and already made the reference and at the time I thought it out-of-character for her or she was really really frustrated and now I understand why.

Texas Gal on May 9, 2011 at 4:50 PM

Pakistanis shocked…shocked, I say, that there was any terrorist harbored within their borders….

ted c on May 9, 2011 at 4:55 PM

So, it was President Bush who created the legal framework for Obama to make the “gutsy call” of doing what everyone expected us to do since September 12, 2001–bring Osama Bin Laden to justice with extreme prejudice…

RedSoxNation on May 9, 2011 at 4:55 PM

give G-Dub the credit for laying the groundwork for Obama’s gutsy call.

mewww.

ted c on May 9, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Definitely. I’ll give credit where credit is due, but Obama sure cashed in a lot of self credit when more and more seems owed to Bush.

Daemonocracy on May 9, 2011 at 4:50 PM

Don’t forget his kneepads in the media, as well as those who voted for him.

Del Dolemonte on May 9, 2011 at 4:56 PM

So when Obama said during his election campaign that if he knew where OBL was inside Pakistan he would go get him .. was indeed a breach of national security briefings he had been receiving.

Texas Gal on May 9, 2011 at 4:26 PM

I don’t think so; but it would leave the administration in an impossible position. They could not call him out on it because that might torpedo the agreement with Pakistanis and so Bambi was able to talk tough secure in the knowledge that no one would question him. Just what you would expect from a little man.

PackerBronco on May 9, 2011 at 4:56 PM

So if Gore had been elected in 2000, bin Laden would still be at large!

cartooner on May 9, 2011 at 4:58 PM

I just hauled out my National Geo atlas, and did some low-tech Double-Naught Cypherin’.

The mission supposedly departed from Jalalabad in Afg. Once they crossed the border, they had to fly another 100 miles east, then bang a left at Wah (not Who) and go north another 50 or so miles. In other words, OBL was nowhere near the border.

Del Dolemonte on May 9, 2011 at 4:36 PM

I know.

My point is that Pakistan made the deal when it was assumed by the United States that Bin Laden was in Afghanistan or the tribal regions of Pakistan.

Pakistan figured it had nothing to worry about because the US would be looking where Bin Laden wouldn’t be for the longhaul. Pakistan probably figured the agreement would never need to go into effect.

It turned out Bin Laden was far away from where we figured but the deal wasn’t contingent on our end upon him being anywhere specific. So we figured the deal was intact. We struck. Pakistan, shocked at what happened, got pissed and retaliated. We, in turn, were shocked by Pakistan’s response, figuring they were in on it.

amerpundit on May 9, 2011 at 5:00 PM

PackerBronco on May 9, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Maybe not, but I’d need to look back, it seems to me that I remember that not only did McCain say something about it at the time but I think either Cheney or Bush made a comment later about Obama needing to temper his rhetoric about incursions into Pakistan.

Texas Gal on May 9, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Like I kept saying, all 0bama really did was say “yes” to plans already made and laid out by the military and intelligence.

I’ll give him credit for not screwing those plans up, and going in when the time was right, but I think the liberals have really been exaggerating the “boldness” here.

Sekhmet on May 9, 2011 at 5:03 PM

Pakistan Gets Rough With the Secret Helicopter
May 5th, 2011
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*(5 Images,the last one,being towed away,by a farm tractor,
and in a roundy bout way,ugh,”Black Hawk Down,minus the
soldier dragging,but helicopter,yes,extreme snark on that
one)*
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We all know the **{mystery helicopter} used in the raid to kill Osama bin Laden was damaged in its crash landing and all but obliterated by U.S. special operators. All that survived intact was the tail section which was draped, in pretty good shape, over a wall in bin Laden’s compound. At least until Pakistani troops started moving it.

Here’s an amusing series of pictures showing the tail’s increasingly rough condition. The first pic, shown above shows the tail in its relatively ok condition hanging over the compound wall. From then on, things get a bit tougher for the tail. It finally ends up being nearly dragged through the streets of Abbottabad by a local tractor.

The tail about to be moved off the wall and flipped over:

I don’t want to know what happened to it after it was loaded onto the back of this truck, (er, tractor). You can clearly see what’s probably the tail’s outline beneath the blanket. Glad its being treated like the sensitive piece of military gear that it is. (Yes, I know they’re probably doing the best they can under the circumstances. Still, it sucks to see this thing damaged any more than it already was.)
(More……….)

http://defensetech.org/2011/05/05/the-poor-tail-of-the-secret-bin-laden-raid-helo/
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****{mystery helicopter}

A Secret Helo Used In Bin Laden Raid
May 3rd, 2011
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Britain’s The Daily Mail newspaper may have unwittingly revealed a very, very significant clue as to how those MH-60s managed to penetrate Pakistani airspace during sunday’s mission to kill Osama bin Laden. The answer; the weren’t MH-60s, at least not regular MH-60s. The pictures above and below show what’s alledgedly the wreckage of that U.S. chopper that crashed in Osama’s compound due to mechanical problems. It sure doesn’t look like any variant of the Black Hawk that I’ve seen. Maybe it’s a new stealth version of the bird or maybe it’s an entirely new class of chopper. It could be both stealthy and fast enough to evade Pakistani air defenses that were apparently scrambled during the operation. (See our earlier post on how the RQ-170 Beast of Kandahar may have helped jam Pakistani air defense networks.) This also begs the question, who flies it? Does it belong to the Army’s 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment? Is it a secret Air Force Special Operations Command bird? Heck, maybe it’s a CIA chopper.

Yesterday, I posted the photo below of the tail section of the craft draped over a wall in Bin Laden’s compound. While it looked pretty much like a Black Hawk tail, I couldn’t for the life of me, figure out what the weird, flat piece of wreckage emerging from the tarp was. I just assumed that the airframe had been mangled badly enough that it looked weird. It could very well be some sort of shield designed to reduce the heat, noise or radar signature of the tail rotor. (The noise reduction efforts didn’t work all that well.) The possibility of a stealthy chopper being used in the raid explains why the Pakistani troops where in such a hurry to cover up all of the wreckage with blankets and cart if off so quickly. Who knows if this is the Pakistani cooperation White House officials said they received for the mission or if the PAF just scored a major tech boost. Good on Steve Trimble for spotting it and pointing out that now is the time to start speculating wildly about what type of bird this is.

Update: The Daily Mail has some additional photos of the wreckage here. The WSJ has these images. These shots appear to show that the SEALs and other American special operators were largely successful in destroying the fuselage of the chopper before Pakistani troops could secure the site. It looks like the tail section remained intact due to the fact that it was hanging over the compound wall, separated from the rest of the wreck. Oh, and check out these satellite images of the crash site. Here’s the latest image of the bird’s tail, it gives you a great sense of the overall tail assembly.

http://defensetech.org/2011/05/03/secret-helo-may-have-been-used-in-bin-laden-raid/

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Maybe Pakistan made the deal, and aided Bin Laden, figuring make both sides happy and just see what happens.

rob verdi on May 9, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Heres a hoot,from the minds of DU Blog!
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Bin Laden’s (Fictional) Mountain Fortress
May 5 2011
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Over at political discussion website Democratic Underground, user NNN0LHI has descended into the depths of the internet, unearthing a gem of an article from the on-the-whole-incomprehensible website of Edward Jay Epstein (“To enhance its labyrinthical concept, ” the home page explains, “it contains no site map”). Epstein’s piece on “The Lair of Bin Laden” is a real blast from the past. Check out, for instance, this amazing graphic from the Times of London, published in 2001 and depicting the Qaeda leader’s presumed “mountain fortress”:
(Image)(More……….)

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/brainiac/2011/05/bin_ladens_fict.html

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Like I kept saying, all 0bama really did was say “yes” to plans already made and laid out by the military and intelligence.

I’ll give him credit for not screwing those plans up, and going in when the time was right, but I think the liberals have really been exaggerating the “boldness” here.

Sekhmet on May 9, 2011 at 5:03 PM

Let’s hope a nuclear missile isn’t on the way, seeing as it took 16 hours for him to deliberate—to become gutsy.
Like the hesitant kid on the high diving board…should he or shouldn’t he, all of his friends are watching…

right2bright on May 9, 2011 at 5:09 PM

Prepaid gutsy call.

the_nile on May 9, 2011 at 4:24 PM

Well played, sir.

TexasDan on May 9, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Report: U.S. had agreement with Pakistani government since 2001 that we could go in to get Bin Laden

Pakistan was for the US going in to get Bin Laden before they were against it.

rukiddingme on May 9, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Heck, maybe it’s a CIA chopper.

Hehehe!

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Thanks

Texas Gal on May 9, 2011 at 5:11 PM

amerpundit on May 9, 2011 at 5:00 PM

Unlikely. Pakistan simply wanted to avoid killing him or, even worse, capturing him then handing him over to the Americans, especially if it happened near Peshawar or elsewhere in NWFP or FATA.

Christien on May 9, 2011 at 5:12 PM

So if Gore had been elected in 2000, bin Laden would still be at large!

cartooner on May 9, 2011 at 4:58 PM

But not as large as Gore…

“He’s so fat, Clinton is thinking of hitting on him.” –from David Letterman’s “Top Ten Responses To The Question, ‘How Fat Is Al Gore?’”

right2bright on May 9, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Hesitant-In-Chief?!
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Leon Panetta, not Obama, issued order to kill bin Laden?
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Was it Leon Panetta – not a waffling Barack Obama, supported in his indecision by Valerie Jarett – who finally ordered the assassination of bin Laden. We don’t know the truth of this. We weren’t there. But a “White House insider” quoted on Socybrty says the following:
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Q: You stated that President Obama was “overruled” by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?

A: I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.
(More…………)

http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/05/03/leon-panetta-not-obama-issued-order-to-kill-bin-laden/

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 5:22 PM

give G-Dub the credit for laying the groundwork for Obama’s gutsy call.

mewww.

ted c on May 9, 2011 at 4:55 PM

ted c:Exactly so!:)

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 5:25 PM

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 5:22 PM

Clutzy call?

batterup on May 9, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Heck, maybe it’s a CIA chopper.
Hehehe!

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 5:04 PM
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Texas Gal on May 9, 2011 at 5:11 PM

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canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Full force? Does Pakistan have ANYTHING capable of crossing the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean?

clement on May 9, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Nore twists than a Reginald Hill novel.

katy the mean old lady on May 9, 2011 at 5:30 PM

All Bush’s Fault.

Del Dolemonte on May 9, 2011 at 4:18 PM

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Darn… Only an hour late to be the one who said that… Maybe next time.
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RalphyBoy on May 9, 2011 at 5:31 PM

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 5:22 PM
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Clutzy call?

batterup on May 9, 2011 at 5:28 PM

batterup:Well,if I heard right,it took Obama over 16 hours
to think about pulling the trigger,while the Seals
were locked/cocked,ready to roll,I will have to fi
nd that story!!!

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 5:32 PM

http://greatsatansgirlfriend.blogspot.com/

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Thanks, I see she and I are on similar wave-lengths.

Texas Gal on May 9, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Jimmy Cahteh showed more guts in 1980 than Obama did last week.

That difference is only compounded when you consider the state of readiness our military had in ’80 as opposed to now. Our sword is very sharp right now, and the sovereign territory we invaded was foresworn to not fight back. I’m not challenging the bravery it took for our well-trained Special Ops team to execute their mission, but strategically, Obama has demonstrated more guts when he…gee, I can’t think of a time he demonstrated personal or political courage that I could compare this to. He’s always been a gutless wonder.

Obama didn’t have the guts to not give the green light. Especially if you believe that Panetta forced the issue. Mr I’m-always-on-the-golf-course-or-beach-when-the-3am-call-comes-in gets his courage from other people.

That’s the problem with getting your job by being the Critic-in-Chief. Having never commanded, he has no courage forged from responsible decision-making.

rwenger43 on May 9, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Pakistan doubles its nuclear arsenal
Jan 31 2011
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Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal now totals more than 100 deployed weapons, a doubling of its stockpile over the past several years in one of the world’s most unstable regions, according to estimates by nongovernment analysts.

The Pakistanis have significantly accelerated productionof uranium and plutonium for bombs and developed new weapons to deliver them. After years of approximate weapons parity, experts said, Pakistan has now edged ahead of India, its nuclear-armed rival.

An escalation of the arms race in South Asia poses a dilemmafor the Obama administration, which has worked to improve its economic, political and defense ties with India while seeking to deepen its relationship with Pakistan as a crucial component of its Afghanistan war strategy.
(More…………..)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/30/AR2011013004682.html

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 5:46 PM

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 5:32 PM

16 hours….Is our president a haruspex & he was divining the entrails… thus it was really a guts-y call.

ba-da-bump!

batterup on May 9, 2011 at 5:46 PM

And yet McCain opposed it all along. Oh well.

Dave Rywall on May 9, 2011 at 5:47 PM

16 hours….Is our president a haruspex & he was divining the entrails… thus it was really a guts-y call.

ba-da-bump!

batterup on May 9, 2011 at 5:46 PM
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How about you draw on your vast experience of fighting terrorism and tell us how long the decision should have taken.

Dave Rywall on May 9, 2011 at 5:48 PM

http://greatsatansgirlfriend.blogspot.com/

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 5:30 PM
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Thanks, I see she and I are on similar wave-lengths.

Texas Gal on May 9, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Texas Gal:Yes,I too,love the way she weaves her words,
and alot of links,and topics are always current,
if not ahead of the MSM curve,glad you like it!:)

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Can I see that ‘agreement’ in writing?

………….crickets………………..

GarandFan on May 9, 2011 at 5:49 PM

How about you draw on your vast experience of fighting terrorism and tell us how long the decision should have taken.

Dave Rywall on May 9, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Okay Alex – I’ll take “Things that should not 16 hours” for $200.

batterup on May 9, 2011 at 5:52 PM

I thought GW did not care about OBL

CWforFreedom on May 9, 2011 at 5:52 PM

DRywall:
What’s an old I-follow-orders military man going to say to Obama about this in a debate? “No, we can’t!”(while we really can but this policy is supposed to be secret)? or “If you got the same security briefing I did you promised not to talk about this!”?

No, Obama instinctively knew that the first person to break security proptocol would win the argument. In politics, cheaters usually gain the support of the masses (and Dave Rywall).

rwenger43 on May 9, 2011 at 5:55 PM

And yet McCain opposed it all along. Oh well.

Dave Rywall on May 9, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Dave Rywall:Really…Gawd,I can’t believe I’m defending
Captain Queeg Mc…Cain!!
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Press Releases
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STATEMENT BY SENATOR JOHN McCAIN ON THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT OSAMA BIN LADEN HAS BEEN KILLED
May 1, 2011
Washington, D.C. – U.S. Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.), made the following statement this evening regarding the announcement made by President Obama that Osama Bin Laden has been killed:

“I am overjoyed that we finally got the world’s top terrorist. The world is a better and more just place now that Osama bin Laden is no longer in it. I hope the families of the victims of the September 11th attacks will sleep easier tonight and every night hence knowing that justice has been done. I commend the President and his team, as well as our men and women in uniform and our intelligence professionals, for this superb achievement.

“But while we take heart in the news that Osama bin Laden is dead, we must be mindful that al-Qaeda and its terrorist allies are still lethal and determined enemies, and we must remain vigilant to defeat them.”
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http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressOffice.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=aed8bca0-0832-c147-c318-d6b1170d971d

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Good to Know DaveyRywall is all for capital punishment without a trial. Awesome.

CWforFreedom on May 9, 2011 at 6:00 PM

So are we treating the terrorists like criminals or like they are at war with us? DaveyR?

CWforFreedom on May 9, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Ouch. crr6 has just lost an item on its list of Obama yumminess.

pseudoforce on May 9, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Bush left the structure and strategy to kill Bin Ladin, and all Barry had to do was say “Go”.

portlandon on May 9, 2011 at 4:27 PM

yepper!

cmsinaz on May 9, 2011 at 6:11 PM

How about you draw on your vast experience of fighting terrorism and tell us how long the decision should have taken.

Dave Rywall on May 9, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Okay Alex – I’ll take “Things that should not 16 hours” for $200.

batterup on May 9, 2011 at 5:52 PM
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how the f*ck would you know

Dave Rywall on May 9, 2011 at 6:25 PM

DRywall:
What’s an old I-follow-orders military man going to say to Obama about this in a debate? “No, we can’t!”(while we really can but this policy is supposed to be secret)? or “If you got the same security briefing I did you promised not to talk about this!”?

No, Obama instinctively knew that the first person to break security proptocol would win the argument. In politics, cheaters usually gain the support of the masses (and Dave Rywall).

rwenger43 on May 9, 2011 at 5:55 PM
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English.
Do you speak it

Dave Rywall on May 9, 2011 at 6:26 PM

16 hours….Is our president a haruspex & he was divining the entrails… thus it was really a guts-y call.

ba-da-bump!

batterup on May 9, 2011 at 5:46 PM
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How about you draw on your vast experience of fighting terrorism and tell us how long the decision should have taken.

Dave Rywall on May 9, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Dave Rywall:Here ya go…………………………
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Obama took SIXTEEN HOURS to make up his mind about Bin Laden mission
Last updated at 7:20 PM on 3rd May 2011
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President ‘slept on it’ as tense military chiefs awaited decision

Action started the next morning when Obama declared ‘it’s a go’

Mission delayed by one day after heavy cloud cover on Saturday night

Navy seals dodged Pakistani security to reach Bin Laden’s lair

Outpouring of emotion on streets down to ‘the same sense of unity that prevailed on 9/11′ Obama told members of Congress

Barack Obama kept military commanders hanging by declaring he would ‘sleep on it’ before taking 16 hours to give the go-ahead to raid Bin Laden’s compound.

Hit squads of specialist Navy Seals – who were not even told who they were preparing to capture – had practised the mission at two reconstructions of the terror chiefs sprawling compound.

The mission looked set to be given the all clear last Thursday when analysts confirmed beyond doubt that Bin Laden was in busy town of Abbottabad in northern Pakistan.

But the president stunned officials when he told a national security meeting that he wanted more time to think – and disappeared out of the room.

‘I’m not going to tell you what my decision is now – I’m going to go back and think about it some more,’ said Obama, according to the New York Times. He then added ‘I’m going to make a decision soon.’

The head of the CIA and other senior intelligence officers who were keen to proceed were left tense as they waited for the president’s decision.

But the next morning after 16 hours, Obama summoned four top aides to the White House Diplomatic Room. Before they could speak, the president put his fist on the table and declared ‘It’s a go’.

With those three words, the greatest military operation in recent history began. Had it not been for heavy cloud cover on Saturday, troops would have been deployed then.

But they waited another day, and reached Pakistan just before midnight on Sunday evening. Obama refused to tell Pakistan about the mission in case it was leaked by jihadist sympathisers within the administration and Bin Laden took flight.
(More…………)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383010/Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-Obama-took-16-hours-make-mind.htm

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 6:26 PM

Or as Rumsfeld said, (paraphrasing loosely) “There are known knowns, known unknowns, etc.” Who knows where the truth lies in dealing with a duplicitous culture that is on the take, unstable, trying to save face, and so on?

I am beginning to agree with Ledeen that someone sold out Osama because his usefulness to spreading the ummah was over, and everyone is playing plausible deniability in the shakeup of the “new world order.”

President Spike Ball is just another pawn being played by the big boys, but because he is still serving a useful purpose, he gets to wear the Big Boy pants for a while.

onlineanalyst on May 9, 2011 at 6:26 PM

Good to Know DaveyRywall is all for capital punishment without a trial. Awesome.

CWforFreedom on May 9, 2011 at 6:00 PM
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I’m for killing terrorists dead. With bullets, bombs, piano wire, James Bond poison dripped down a string, whatever.

Dave Rywall on May 9, 2011 at 6:27 PM

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 6:26 PM
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Who gives a sh*t.

Dave Rywall on May 9, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Another thought: Wasn’t “gutsy call” made because another new wikileaks dump was making the mission more dangerous with delay?

onlineanalyst on May 9, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Or maybe President Spike Ball knew where Osama was cooling his jets because O’s former college roomate has O on speed dial.

onlineanalyst on May 9, 2011 at 6:40 PM

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 6:26 PM

Excellent! Funny how all Barry’s fanbois are all trying to get their bad operator on of late. To them I say, GET SOME!

Christien on May 9, 2011 at 6:42 PM

So if Gore had been elected in 2000, bin Laden would still be at large!

cartooner on May 9, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Sure, especially if Gore was following the example that Clintoon had set.

(Isn’t this fun to speculate?)

onlineanalyst on May 9, 2011 at 6:43 PM

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 6:26 PM
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Who gives a sh*t.

Dave Rywall on May 9, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Dave Rywall:WroughtWall,you are as bad,if not,worse than an
American Liberal,in logic!!

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 7:02 PM

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 6:26 PM
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Who gives a sh*t.

Dave Rywall on May 9, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Dave Rywall:WroughtWall,you are as bad,if not,worse than an
American Liberal,in logic!!

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 7:02 PM
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Carry on being unhappy that Bin Laden is dead since it hurts your party.

Dave Rywall on May 9, 2011 at 7:12 PM

canopfor on May 9, 2011 at 7:02 PM

Didn’t Canada just massively reject his ilk in the recent election? That’s gotta smart.

Christien on May 9, 2011 at 7:15 PM

You’d think after this strike, that Gaddafi would have shi! a brick and gone into hiding. Anything new on his hole of a country in the news lately? Guess our gutsy caller in chief doesn’t need him anymore.

Kissmygrits on May 9, 2011 at 7:25 PM

In other news, at least one man was bitten by a dog today.

JackOfClubs on May 10, 2011 at 6:41 PM