The Forgotten Fan
posted at 9:24 pm on May 4, 2011 by Ed Driscoll
Among the many anecdotes collected in Amity Shlaes’ The Forgotten Man, was the story of Depression-era farmers who were paid money to destroy their own crops, in order to artificially inflate prices, as the newly reprimitivized system of Keynesian economics replaced its tried and true laissez faire-oriented predecessor. As she told Reason’s Nick Gillespie in early 2008, “Roosevelt was elected in part by the farm vote. They wanted the kind of high prices they had had before World War I.”
And the New Deal went to extraordinary — and at times destructive — lengths to appease that constituency by tamping down production, as an article by Chris Edwards of the Cato Institute that appeared in USA Today back in 2005 neatly summarizes:
The centerpiece of FDR’s New Deal was the National Industrial Recovery Act of 1933. It created “codes” or cartels in more than 500 industries in order to limit competition. Businesses were told to cut output and maintain high prices and wages. Businessmen who cut prices were cajoled, fined, and sometimes arrested. Fortunately for the country, NIRA was struck down by the Supreme Court in 1935. The Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933 similarly restricted production to keep prices high. “Excess” output was destroyed or dumped abroad. While millions of Americans were going hungry, the government plowed under 10,000,000 acres of crops, slaughtered 6,000,000 pigs, and left fruit to rot.
Today in Scotland, as the Great Recession rolls on, and as newly reprimitivized “wind farms” replace more tried and true — and apparently predictable – methods of electricity generation, history rhymes rather nicely. The BBC reports, “Six Scottish windfarms were paid up to £300,000 to stop producing energy, it has emerged:”
Hadyardhill in South Ayrshire, which is owned by SSE Renewables, was given £140,000 to stop producing energy, while Blacklaw windfarm in Lanarkshire – also owned by Scottish Power – was given £130,000.
The Millennium windfarm in the Highlands and Beinn Tharsuin, just north of Alness, each received £33,000 and £11,500 respectively.
Dr Lee Moroney, planning director for the REF, which has criticised subsidies to the renewable sector in the past, said: “The variability of wind power poses grid management problems for which there are no cheap solutions.
“However, throwing the energy away, and paying wind farms handsomely for doing so, is not only costly but obviously very wasteful.
“Government must rethink the scale and pace of wind power development before the costs of managing it become intolerable and the scale of the waste scandalous.”
The National Grid said the network had overloaded because high winds and heavy rain in Scotland overnight on 5 and 6 April produced more wind energy than it could use.
Spokesman Stewart Larque said: “One of our key roles is to balance supply and demand for energy.”
He added: “On the evening of the 5th into the 6th of April, the wind in Scotland was high, it was raining heavily, which also created more hydro energy than normal.”
Mr Larque said a transmission fault in the system meant the surplus energy could not be transferred to England and so generation had to be cut.
The above article quotes an electricity spokesman who says, “One of our key roles is to balance supply and demand for energy.” Another electricity spokesman in the UK has a rather unique approach to that. Steve Holliday is the CEO of National Grid plc, “one of the largest investor-owned energy companies in the world,” as the all-knowing and even occasionally accurate Wikipedia notes. He made headlines around the world in March when he was quoted by the London Telegraph as saying that the era of reliable energy is over:
The days of permanently available electricity may be coming to an end, the head of the power network said yesterday.
Families would have to get used to only using power when it was available, rather than constantly, said Steve Holliday, chief executive of National Grid. Mr Holliday was challenged over how the country would “keep the lights on” when it relied more on wind turbines as supplies of gas dwindled. Electricity provided by wind farms will increase six-fold by 2020 but critics complain they only generate on windy days.
Mr Holliday told Radio 4′s Today programme that people would have to “change their behaviour”. “The grid is going to be a very different system in 2020, 2030,” he said. “We keep thinking that we want it to be there and provide power when we need it. It is going to be much smarter than that.
“We are going to change our own behaviour and consume it when it is available and available cheaply.”
Mr Holliday was speaking ahead of a speech last night to the Royal Academy of Engineering, in which he warned that the government was “looking more to communities and individuals to take power into their hands”.
He also warned that pylons would still be used to carry power cables across the countryside because it was 10 times more expensive to bury them.
“As a society, we all need to be clear about what we can and cannot afford,” he said.
Ahh, good ol’ Depression Lust — though something tells me that no matter how the future plays out, there will still be a few in the UK who will never lack an unlimited electricity supply:









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I miss the days when royals locked away their dimwitted relatives. *cough PRINCE CHARLES cough*
This is nothing more than the haves deciding how much and when to give to the have nots.
What galls me, are all the idiots that willingly defend this, as if this is the greatest thing ever.
capejasmine on May 4, 2011 at 9:30 PM
I am convinced that if it was up to todays liberal we would never have crawled out of the oceans …* SIGH * I’d say they won’t be happy until we are back to rubbing sticks together to make a fire except I suspect we won’t even be allowed fire because it would kill a tree ….we’re screwed
Aggie95 on May 4, 2011 at 9:32 PM
All the Hot Air Fit For A King!!
canopfor on May 4, 2011 at 9:33 PM
Go to San Fran, where they have a lot of Giant fans.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on May 4, 2011 at 9:33 PM
It is amazing that we have such clear examples of the damage that Obama keeps pushing us toward.
GaltBlvnAtty on May 4, 2011 at 9:34 PM
Notice how they scream about population control, but not one of them is willing to make the sacrifice to deplete it?
capejasmine on May 4, 2011 at 9:36 PM
Wind farms must be relegated back to the dustbin of history soon, before they, with government help, destroy the reliable power necessary to run a modern society.
Without 24/7/365 reliable power, we can’t have refrigeration, heat, air conditioning, medicine, or communications. This situation would in turn destroy the distribution of food and other vital goods, and create massive and deadly shortages.
It isn’t smart to force use of a technology which was proven obsolete…for good reasons…100 years ago.
landlines on May 4, 2011 at 9:37 PM
And they call themselves Progressives? They do know what the word progress means right?
sammypants on May 4, 2011 at 9:38 PM
OT: Some Good news.
US set to regain industrial crown
By Peter Marsh in London
Published: May 5 2011 01:00 | Last updated: May 5 2011 01:00
The era of widespread offshoring of manufacturing from the US to China is coming to an end, according to a study that forecasts a renaissance for American production industries over the next five years.
The report by the Boston Consulting Group (BCG) forecasts that, by 2015 – on the back of good productivity growth and relatively low wages – the US is likely to be slightly ahead of China as a base for making many of the goods destined for sale in North America.
(Unless Obama has something to do with it)
andy85719 on May 4, 2011 at 9:39 PM
On the back of the envelope delivering my IRS refund check is a website offering help from the government to manage my money.
Wind.
davidk on May 4, 2011 at 9:45 PM
If the Brits are following the model of artificial price controls, like the examples that Ed point out, then the Americans are doing the same with green energy cars. First by destroying good running cars, Cash for Clunkers, we such an example.
Second is the drop in gas tax revenue which is used to maintain the driving infrastructure. If electricity rates go up, the price of charging your car may be more expensive than filling ip up with gas.
Then, the Amish have the most practical solution.
Kini on May 4, 2011 at 9:49 PM
I can practically see one of the windmills from my door step. It’s about a half block away-next to a McDonalds.
In West Texas-those things are EVERYWHERE. Why not-we certainly got enough wind. LoL
annoyinglittletwerp on May 4, 2011 at 9:50 PM
There’s a reason why T Boone Pickens got out of the windmill business.
Plus, windmills are an eyesore. Talk about pollution.
Kini on May 4, 2011 at 9:53 PM
The Commerce clause was written precisely for people like the Amish.
“Whats that? You don’t have a power line to your house? Then you’ll need to pay a penalty when you file your taxes.”
BobMbx on May 4, 2011 at 9:54 PM
Now that’s a good one Atilla. (Did ya see the Giant’s fans up in the upper deck at the Mets game tonight. They’re having a “shockingly” good time.)
Rovin on May 4, 2011 at 9:56 PM
@Sammypants
Excellent article on the subject
Sekhmet on May 4, 2011 at 10:00 PM
If we really wanted green sustainable energy, then we should take a note from Spinal Tap and Break Like the Wind.
But they’ll find a way to tax that also.
Kini on May 4, 2011 at 10:00 PM
The Forgotten Fan
The forgotten fan is a Washington Capitals fan.
TheBigOldDog on May 4, 2011 at 10:04 PM
They’re still paying farmers not to farm.
It’s called the Conservation Reserve Program: CRP.
Govt just upped their prices paid bcs farmers were starting to farm those acres again.
You should be outraged this happens.
Farmers farming highly erodable land, if left alone, will not do it for long. Bcs they won’t have a crop to sell worth a damn.
The govt is paying rotten farmers to keep farming.
I know.
My neighbor is a rotten farmer.
And somehow he stays in business.
Why?
Bcs the govt is paying him to farm. It doesn’t matter how bad he is at it.
Badger40 on May 4, 2011 at 10:20 PM
Apparently now you can do anything to a Brit and they just swallow it.
NeoKong on May 4, 2011 at 10:23 PM
And his crazy a$$ wife got her horse sanctuary denied.
Effing crazy b!@#$.
Why are rich people so fricking obnoxious?
Badger40 on May 4, 2011 at 10:30 PM
I think pretty much everything you described is exactly what the liberals want to do. :(
capejasmine on May 4, 2011 at 10:30 PM
Thanks.
sammypants on May 4, 2011 at 10:34 PM
FIFY sport.
BacaDog on May 4, 2011 at 10:37 PM
A number of companies, including my employer, are currently working on this very issue. I am a developer on the team implementing a system to address this. The biggest issue isn’t that wind power output changes, it’s that it can have very significant changes in very short periods, both up and down. On a 400MW wind farm, you can have 200MW output swing in 20 minutes.
Things may work differently in Europe than they do in the US, but here power companies and wind farms are frequently separate entities. The power company signs an agreement with the wind farm that they will purchase a certain amount of power. Even if they do not use some of the power, they still pay for it. The opposite is also true. If the wind farm is producing more power than the power company is agreed to pay for, and they do not need the extra power, the power company does not have to buy it and it is wasted.
None of the issues mentioned are unfixable. The other main issue is the lack of a “smart” power grid. In an ideal world, the extra wind that is produced in Minnesota could be resold and rerouted to California, but our power grid isn’t able to do that. Wind and solar can be significant parts of a consistent, reliable power system. It’s just going to take a significant amount of work to get there.
strictnein on May 4, 2011 at 10:38 PM
Electricity is a funny thing. It has to be used when it’s generated. We currently have no way of storing it efficiently in LARGE quantities.
As to the wind. Out in East County last year, ALL 24 of the windmills were down after a severe storm damaged the blades. Took over a month to get it back up and running (replacing all the damaged blades).
I enjoyed the tree-hugger comment on one web site. He purchased a Leaf, and had his roof covered with a solar array. No more gas worries for him. He’d recharge the car batteries AT NIGHT when he got home.
GarandFan on May 4, 2011 at 10:42 PM
End these stupid subsidies now… we’re out of Schlitz…
Khun Joe on May 4, 2011 at 10:57 PM
Sure, wind works about as well as solar, but consider natural gas. The Shale Gas Shock blows a hole wide open in the progressive left’s narrative.
jdcroft2001 on May 4, 2011 at 11:24 PM
Yeah, the end of reliable energy is meant only for us. Not for the ruling class.
JellyToast on May 4, 2011 at 11:43 PM
Take away his porridge!
ClanDerson on May 4, 2011 at 11:49 PM
As long as the govt isn’t subsidizing it.
Then I don’t care.
In some instances & places, it’s workable.
Badger40 on May 5, 2011 at 12:03 AM
Here in California we are already being setup for the future of less energy. That is what these ‘smart’ meters are all about. I guess the tier system they were using wasn’t making us do things they way they wanted
free on May 5, 2011 at 4:02 AM
Thanks for the link to the City Journal article: Progressives Against Progress -
The rise of environmentalism poisoned liberals’ historical optimism.
Yes, it’s well worth reading. This paragraph is my favorite:
petefrt on May 5, 2011 at 7:30 AM
Must be something like “advancing to the rear”.
SKYFOX on May 5, 2011 at 8:08 AM
The Krazy Kims of North Korea approve.
Steve Eggleston on May 5, 2011 at 8:38 AM
I’m keeping the horses, just in case. We’ve been telling the really stupid for years how impractical wind and solar is but they still insist on saving the planet. They will complain the loudest, tho, when they can’t watch their favorite soap because the wind stopped blowing. Saw another article last night about how the arctic is melting and the oceans are rising at a rate faster than previously thought. If that’s the case why am I still burning wood in May.
Kissmygrits on May 5, 2011 at 9:05 AM
Isostatic adjustment has never been taken into account for ‘rising’ sea levels.
And I know warm water expands, so is it really a ‘rise’ in the seas?
And you might as well keep your horses bcs they’re not worth much if you try & sell them.
Tho a little over a year ago we sold a bunch at pound prices & it was at about Forty something cents.
Badger40 on May 5, 2011 at 9:22 AM
“Let them eat less cake.”
shick on May 5, 2011 at 10:32 AM
I live in Kern County, CA, where we have gazillions of acres of windmills AND solar panels. Ugly. Very ugly.
We also have oil wells, which are also ugly, but at least involve lots of good-paying jobs, unlike wind or solar.
It’s almost like a cancer, once they get started they want to pave everything with windmills and solar panels. It’s hard to stop – if the 400 acres adjacent is covered with ugly crap, what good reason is there not to cover THIS 700 acres with more ugly crap? Big problem, and now they have made it to my valley.
jodetoad on May 5, 2011 at 11:08 AM
Yup. The first wind farm I saw was kinda cool. It looked like giant kinetic sculptures but now there are mile after mile of them in Illinois, most of the windmills are static and boy have they become UGLY.
Fallon on May 5, 2011 at 11:20 AM
This is because electricity is NOT A POWER SOURCE!!! It is simply a mechanism for moving energy from one place to another.
Liberals seem to be incapable of understanding the basic nature of electricity.
landlines on May 5, 2011 at 12:50 PM
Have you received the PG&E “offer” for them to “upgrade” your air conditioner thermostat to allow them to remotely alter the amount of energy it puts out during peak demand yet? They offer $50 bucks to do it for now, soon I’m sure it will be mandated like the smart meters. They claim people “barely notice a difference”- yeah, probably people that live on the coast. If you’re inland when it’s 117 deg F and they start “altering” the way your AC works it would SUCK!
NTWR on May 5, 2011 at 2:10 PM
When I drive to my father’s house near Tehachapi California there are tons of wind farms. The environmentalists demanded these because they are green and non polluting. Never mind that they are not cost efficient and that they break down frequently. But then the tree huggers asked to have the wind mills closed down because they were killing birds dumb enough to try and fly through one. Ugh. You can’t win with these imbeciles.
Rudemeister on May 5, 2011 at 5:36 PM
LMAO!
Badger40 on May 5, 2011 at 7:55 PM
I don’t have pg&e. I am with SCE, but I will continue to refuse the smart meter as long as possible and no way I will voluntarily let them swap out my A/C thermostat.
free on May 6, 2011 at 3:23 PM