Rasmussen: Ryan Plan Losing Support Nationally

posted at 8:00 am on May 4, 2011 by Jazz Shaw

Neither the White House nor Paul Ryan have swept the nation’s voters with a clear majority when considering our budget future, as we have reported here before. But according to the most recent numbers from Rasmussen, getting the word out about the long term benefits of fiscal probity is proving more difficult than even seasoned observers anticipated. The number of people solidly supporting the Ryan plan is holding steady, but the undecideds are coming off the fence and seem to be heading in the wrong direction.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 26% of Likely U.S. Voters continue to favor the budget proposal by Ryan that claims to cut federal spending by $4 trillion over the next decade. But that’s unchanged from a month ago.

Now, however, 34% oppose Ryan’s proposal, up from 27% in the previous survey. A sizable 40% still don’t know enough about the plan to have any opinion of it. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

The biggest reason buried in the numbers seems, once again, to be entitlement reform. Of the respondents, only 21% – barely one in five – “favor the plan for changing Medicare that is included in the Ryan budget proposal.” Perhaps even more distressing to fiscal hawks, an overwhelming majority feel that no changes to entitlement programs should be made without a direct vote on it by the American people. That’s not going to happen, of course, but it seems a telling indicator.

From the beginning it was obvious that getting these types of fiscally responsible changes put through was going to require a massive grassroots educational effort to get voters informed about the cliff we’re currently zooming toward. But if these numbers hold, the message isn’t getting out there. That will not only severely endanger any chances of a vote succeeding in Congress, but could shorten the political lifespan of those supporting the changes.


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c’mon folks…wake up!

do you really want to hit rock bottom?

cmsinaz on May 4, 2011 at 8:04 AM

c’mon folks…wake up!

do you really want to hit rock bottom?

cmsinaz on May 4, 2011 at 8:04 AM

Sometimes addicts have to hit bottom before behaviour changes. We are addicted spending

Oil Can on May 4, 2011 at 8:08 AM

Oil Can on May 4, 2011 at 8:08 AM

and they are taking us down with them…folks like ryan and W are trying to be proactive
*sigh*

cmsinaz on May 4, 2011 at 8:17 AM

an overwhelming majority feel that no changes to entitlement programs should be made without a direct vote on it by the American people.

Can we vote to nullify reality?

forest on May 4, 2011 at 8:19 AM

“I have absolutely no problem with entitlement reform as long as it does not affect me in any way.”

We are a nation of spoiled, rotten, self-centered NIMBY’s.

Rod on May 4, 2011 at 8:19 AM

Enjoy paying $7/gal for gas and milk.

BadgerHawk on May 4, 2011 at 8:19 AM

People don’t seem to understand. We’re already falling through the air, on our way to a hard landing. Ryan is just trying to offer us a parachute to strap on, while it still might do some good. And people falling through the air are saying, “I don’t want that parachute. That parachute looks uncomfortable.”

RBMN on May 4, 2011 at 8:19 AM

Truly pathetic.

BuckeyeSam on May 4, 2011 at 8:21 AM

no changes to entitlement programs should be made without a direct vote on it by the American people.

An overwhelming majority have no idea what a Representative Republic is. These are the same folks that think a direct democracy should determine everything.

fourdeucer on May 4, 2011 at 8:23 AM

Am I the only one that notices conflicting polls announced every other day. Am I the only one that recognizes the MFM’s strategy to muddy the water on every important issue? Am I the only one that knows the poll questions and results are totally manufactured for “media” consumption to be fed to the electorate as “important”

Nevermind…I know the answer

winston on May 4, 2011 at 8:23 AM

forgot to add the OT

cmsinaz on May 4, 2011 at 8:25 AM

Entitlement programs ARE going to be reformed. We have the choice of doing it now or when were picking up the pieces from bankruptcy.

gwelf on May 4, 2011 at 8:30 AM

Let’s just give it up and let the fools spend themselves into oblivion. This once great Republic is now populated by social parasites and freeloaders with no sense of responsibility or courage. If that’s what they want then let the nanny state destroy itself.

rplat on May 4, 2011 at 8:31 AM

It’s still early and besides Ryan has just started getting the message out there,the state-run media will give him very little air time if any so he’s pretty much on his own.

ohiobabe on May 4, 2011 at 8:31 AM

The Republicans wholly and completely capitulated on the 2011 budget. It’s widely reported they are going to punt on the debt limit. Even if Ryan’s plan is the promised land, those who defend it in the Republican party have nothing between their legs. Why should anyone take any Republican or plan seriously when they don’t take themselves seriously. Unprincipled cowards.

lm10001 on May 4, 2011 at 8:31 AM

Sorry – but you aren’t going to change Medicare (which most Americans see as a “contractual” entitlement) while you’re funding abortions, painting of Jesus made of urine, funding education programs in Africa to teach men how to wash their genitalia …

I KNOW that everyone’s been yelling that discretionary spending is NOTHING and won’t help us get out of bankruptcy – but that DOESN’T make discretionary spending irrelevant. The fact is – you cannot hope to ask a taxpaying American to put off retirement for one, two … five years while he sees you are still spending his tax dollars on stupid stuff like PPP and the NPR.

SORRY – YOU JUST WON’T WIN THAT FIGHT and only the dumazz GOP Ruling Class would have thought that handing the Dimmocrits their favorite issue to demagogue in 2012 would be a winning proposition.

Thank you GOP ELITES!

The GOP will LOSE THIS FIGHT.

And hey – I get a military retirement check – take all of it to help fund the government – I have one demand – KILL SPENDING FOR THE STUPID DISCRETIONARY LIBERAL PROGRAMS FIRST.

Because – I know – that if I don’t DEMAND that – then you will continue to spend my money and you’ll be back next year asking ME to sacrifice even more.

HondaV65 on May 4, 2011 at 8:32 AM

The private sector added 179,000 jobs in April, lower than expectations for a gain of 198,000.

WoosterOh on May 4, 2011 at 8:34 AM

The sad thing about this is that being fiscally irresponsible serves the democrats in the end. When the country collapses from its own deficit weight, people will be begging the government to take care of them and regulate property & assets (redistribution), regulate prices, regulate behavior, and on & on. Unfortunately, we let this entitlement mentality along with political expediency slide for too long and now close to half of the American public finds it much more compelling to become a society that government takes care of from cradle to grave. Seems folks are willing to just let government make their decisions for them because they, incorrectly, believe that everyone will be treated equally so what’s the beef? They think that is what a society should strive for–equality for everyone.

KickandSwimMom on May 4, 2011 at 8:38 AM

Why does anyone expect people to vote for continued theft? That’s what the politicians are asking for: let us keep stealing from you, and we promise to at least give you some of your money back after you retire. Trust us.

It’s a joke.

The answer is to stop the theft, and let the people via a freed market work out the details. If we truly had a freed market, people would be heath accountable for their health choices and health care costs would at least 10x cheaper.

j_galt on May 4, 2011 at 8:39 AM

Entitlement programs ARE going to be reformed. We have the choice of doing it now or when were picking up the pieces from bankruptcy.

gwelf on May 4, 2011 at 8:30 AM

We don’t need to reform any entitlement program. We need to shut them all down now.

j_galt on May 4, 2011 at 8:41 AM

as if his plan ever had a chance in the current political environment.

he aimed to frame the debate and he has done a masterful job of that.

the dem committee is looking to put forth a plan with 4 BILLION in cuts… you really think that would have happened without Ryan’s plan first?

‘don’t make the perfect the enemy of the good’ to borrow a quote from a famous celebrity

gatorboy on May 4, 2011 at 8:44 AM

Irony, thy name is Jazz Shaw. If a really smart staunch conservative like Jazz can be fooled into thinking that Ryan’s plan will kill Social Security and throw seniors on the streets to eat cat food, what chance do lesser mortals have to understand the plan?

Or is he for punishing the seniors?

misterpeasea on May 4, 2011 at 8:47 AM

What I find so strange and sad about all this is that fear has led many people to enslave themselves. Of course, this isn’t surprising, but it still is sad.

Everyone dies. Everyone is going to die one day. It could be today. If not today, then maybe tomorrow.

Much of the medical care we fund in this country is not conducive to living life. Sure, you stay alive longer as the pills and medicines slowly poison your body, but you’re not living.

People submit themselves to enormous amounts of pain and surgeries because they are afraid to die. People willingly enslave their children and grandchildren to debt because they are afraid to die.

My prayer is that I will not be afraid to die, and I will not burden my children because of my cowardice. It’s better to die a respected father, without fear, who left his children debt free or with an inheritance than to cry all the way to the grave saying “It’s my Medicare!”

j_galt on May 4, 2011 at 8:51 AM

Most people in a survey will say

I want lower taxes – Yes
I want more entitlements – Yes

The reason we have represnetative government is that these 2 desires CANNOT be reconciled in a simple ballot question (see California)

Second, don’t expect Americans not to think they can have their cake and eat it too, ESPECIALLY so called independents who really don’t understand enough about how things work to realize what Can and CAN’T be done simultaneously. These are the people who actually need to be convinced we are going off a cliff. The liberals can only see Utopia and are beyond hope.

Conan on May 4, 2011 at 8:52 AM

When the country collapses from its own deficit weight, people will be begging the government to take care of them

KickandSwimMom on May 4, 2011 at 8:38 AM

You just discovered why the Democrats will fight this tooth and nail.

Just like health care, a collapse means they have their way and the government that “supposedly” pays your bills gets to tell you how to live just like a parent would. Welcome to Socialism.

Conan on May 4, 2011 at 8:57 AM

And we just keep on going and going with the same old, same old policies and nothing ever changes. Just gets worse. But then what can we expect when we have the democrats screaming and fighting their propaganda amplified by their media flunkies until the public gets worn down. Works every time.

mozalf on May 4, 2011 at 8:59 AM

I’m against the Ryan Plan because under his plan we still add TRILLIONS of new debt. All Ryan does is slow the rate of growth of debt. That’s just not good enough. That it’s considered courageous by “conservatives” is a joke.

Click here to watch Neil Cavuto say basically the same thing.

flyfisher on May 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM

Any country stupid enough to vote in a Communist President is stupid enough to vote itself into oblivion. I just need to figure out how to thrive in the Black Market when the whole thing goes full out “Idiocracy”….The Founders were right when they said “when the people figure out how to empty the treasury it’s over”…I think it’s over……

adamsmith on May 4, 2011 at 9:04 AM

it looks like we are probably not going to get a photo..let the conspiracy theories begin

cmsinaz on May 4, 2011 at 8:25 AM

Do they really think releasing the picture will increase any backlash? Because there will be backlash from the killing of OBL, not to mention there will be attacks just because they hate us…

ladyingray on May 4, 2011 at 9:05 AM

as if his plan ever had a chance in the current political environment.

he aimed to frame the debate and he has done a masterful job of that.

gatorboy on May 4, 2011 at 8:44 AM

One important thing is that Ryan has FOREVER framed the debate and the rest of us who are in the minority are never going to forget where we stood in 2011 on the Entitlement debate.

This is optimistic thinking but the Ryan plan might help save the Democrat party if they could see things clearly because if it isn’t implemented the whole “jewel” of liberalism collapses (the New Deal, Great Society) only liberals will have any faith in the demonrat party in a dollar collapse. The democrats are going to kill their own precious programs if they insist on just running them the same way. I noticed in Canada the liberals had their worse election showing EVER. I think it is due to the liberal program which is ahead of us crashing and burning.

Conan on May 4, 2011 at 9:05 AM

and the Democrat plan?

mjbrooks3 on May 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM

Irony, thy name is Jazz Shaw. If a really smart staunch conservative like Jazz can be fooled into thinking that Ryan’s plan will kill Social Security and throw seniors on the streets to eat cat food, what chance do lesser mortals have to understand the plan?

misterpeasea on May 4, 2011 at 8:47 AM

Jazz Shaw is a staunch conservative?

Stayright on May 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM

I’m against the Ryan Plan because under his plan we still add TRILLIONS of new debt. All Ryan does is slow the rate of growth of debt. That’s just not good enough. That it’s considered courageous by “conservatives” is a joke.

flyfisher on May 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM

Exactly. We are so addicted to spending that slowing down the spending seems like a win to many conservatives. We’re like the the woman who comes home after a day shopping and tells her hubby how much money she saved! (Or what I say after I go shopping for guitar equipment ;) …)

The Founders were right when they said “when the people figure out how to empty the treasury it’s over”…I think it’s over……

adamsmith on May 4, 2011 at 9:04 AM

It’s just a matter of time now.

j_galt on May 4, 2011 at 9:10 AM

flyfisher on May 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM

You can take the position that it is a joke and we can all admire your position but in the end Ryan’s plan is probably too abitious for the public to handle so trying for more just ensure that we do nothing. You remind me of the liberals who say Obama is a failure because he didn’t get single payer, he only set us on a path to Socialized Medicine (which they like spoiled children can’t see)

Conan on May 4, 2011 at 9:12 AM

MORE BS POLLING!!!!

YAY FOR LAZY-ASS “JOURNALISTS”!!!

Crawford on May 4, 2011 at 9:12 AM

It’s too late . . . The decline of this once great Republic will be rapid and brutal. This will soon be the world’s largest third world country.

rplat on May 4, 2011 at 9:17 AM

Remember that Reagan’s plan for a smaller government was not well received when it was first presented to the American people by Barry Goldwater. Don’t lose faith in making the right argument. The American people have a way of getting it right even if it takes some time. Just look at Obama’s Rasmussen numbers today and you will see that his approval rating is stuck in the mid to high 40s even when you consider the Osama Bin Laden news.

RedSoxNation on May 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM

It’s too late . . . The decline of this once great Republic will be rapid and brutal. This will soon be the world’s largest third world country.

rplat on May 4, 2011 at 9:17 AM

After this country’s ratings go to junk bond status, the defaults begin, along with the general strikes by the unionized government employees, a few will remember that Ryan tried to do something. If this happens on Obama’s watch, look for him to suspend civil liberties and move toward making us a one-party (Democrat) state.

Ward Cleaver on May 4, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Why should a morally corrupted culture approve of morally responsible finance? Something, many of those fiscal conservatives ought to think about before they condemn their fellow (social) conservatives who do understand the relationship between following God and doing what is right in all things-even finance.

When you reject the source of turth and good (God) from all consideration in the public arena it is sheer folly to expect people to do what they ought to and not what they want to.

Don L on May 4, 2011 at 9:44 AM

I know that I have often been an advocate for Romney. I was in Boston during the time he ran for Governor of Massachusetts and was very impressed with his ability to win under such hostile circumstances. If he is nominated, I am very confident that he will give Obama a run for his money. Romney is relentless and very smart.

Although I am very confident that Romney could beat Obama, I am not certain whether he is the candidate I really want to win. At this point, I am wondering whether to support Mitch Daniels. He seems to fit the mold of my favorite President: Calvin Coolidge. President Coolidge was renown for his hands off approach to private enterprise, focusing his energy on cutting taxes and being frugal with the money collected. Responding to questions about his hands off philosophy, President Coolidge once remarked, “Do little and say even less.”

My concern with Romney is that he would be more like Herbert Hoover; that is to say, the smartest man in the room who had to implement a plan to fix things when the best fix would be to let the situation play itself out.

So, as we start this Presidential run, I am torn with who to support: the man I really want (Daniels) or the man who I really think could win (Romney)…

RedSoxNation on May 4, 2011 at 9:44 AM

flyfisher on May 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM
You can take the position that it is a joke and we can all admire your position but in the end Ryan’s plan is probably too abitious for the public to handle so trying for more just ensure that we do nothing. You remind me of the liberals who say Obama is a failure because he didn’t get single payer, he only set us on a path to Socialized Medicine (which they like spoiled children can’t see)

Conan on May 4, 2011 at 9:12 AM

Fine, but I don’t think you really understand what’s coming our way. We face an existential fiscal crisis. What good does it do to put forth plans that don’t address and repair the problem? Sure it’s better than the current path, but at some point don’t we have to actually get on a sustainable path? A boat that takes on water at a slower rate than it used to is still a sinking ship.

I’ll be honest and tell you that I don’t really believe it can be fixed. I hope we can hold it all together while we grapple for solutions, but I suspect it’s already too late. The American people don’t have the appetite to save themselves, including most conservatives.

flyfisher on May 4, 2011 at 9:50 AM

Fine. Let’s not reform anything. Then just sit and wait for the boom to be lowered, and revel in the knowledge that it’s dead and gone. No one gets anything. That must be the goal of these people who think that not reforming will mean these entitlements will be there at all.

capejasmine on May 4, 2011 at 9:51 AM

Apparently, I wasn’t home when Rasmussen called. I haven’t gotten the opportunity to voice my opinion to them.

oldleprechaun on May 4, 2011 at 9:54 AM

It’s those independent squishes, they’re the ones who want high spending and low taxes, even though the system can’t sustain itself.

Daemonocracy on May 4, 2011 at 9:57 AM

flyfisher on May 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM

You can take the position that it is a joke…

Conan on May 4, 2011 at 9:12 AM

One more point, I didn’t take the position that Ryan’s Plan is a joke. Read what I actually said. What I was saying is that it’s a joke to portray his plan as some kind of bold solution when his plan solves nothing. I believe Rep. Ryan is serious, but I don’t believe he’s going far enough. He’s too willing to accept status quo spending and GROW it. Moreover, his plan would dump new responsibilities on the states through the use of block grants. When are we going to change everyone’s underlying assumptions about the proper role of government? Until we do that we can never solve our fiscal problems. Socialism cannot work, regardless of how clever we are.

flyfisher on May 4, 2011 at 10:01 AM

winston on May 4, 2011 at 8:23 AM

No, you’re not the only one to notice the muddy waters of polling. People understand things need to change. People understand that cuts in discretionary spending will only get us so far. Reality is setting in. The polling is, I think, more reflective of wishful thinking than reality at this point.

The media definitely understands this, which is why you see this huge push to make Obama look like a leader after the elimination of Osama Bin
Laden. They want to change the narrative from inflation and gas prices to big picture leadership. They are going to try to yank the rug out from under Rep. Ryan’s feet, the best way to do this is to push a story line that Americans don’t want what he’s selling, using polls to deliver that message. Problem is that people are fairly skeptical of polling these days.

piglet on May 4, 2011 at 10:12 AM

Here’s my big question: what can each of us do to help get the word out? What can each of us do to educate others? I’d like some help and direction and resources from Ryan / the Tea Party GOP / on this.

lorettawm on May 4, 2011 at 10:14 AM

Perhaps even more distressing to fiscal hawks, an overwhelming majority feel that no changes to entitlement programs should be made without a direct vote on it by the American people. That’s not going to happen, of course, but it seems a telling indicator.

What?! Was this a leading question that they were asked by the pollster? When do we ever (in our Representative Republic, vote directly on issues as citizens (unless there’s a Constitutional Amendment) or state propositions which have nothing to do with Federal issues?

Buy Danish on May 4, 2011 at 10:15 AM

Here’s the question, from a prior poll. 5* Should any changes in Medicare or Social Security be approved by a vote of the American people? Very disappointed in Rasmussen…

Buy Danish on May 4, 2011 at 10:19 AM

One more point, I didn’t take the position that Ryan’s Plan is a joke. Read what I actually said. What I was saying is that it’s a joke to portray his plan as some kind of bold solution when his plan solves nothing. I believe Rep. Ryan is serious, but I don’t believe he’s going far enough. He’s too willing to accept status quo spending and GROW it. Moreover, his plan would dump new responsibilities on the states through the use of block grants. When are we going to change everyone’s underlying assumptions about the proper role of government? Until we do that we can never solve our fiscal problems. Socialism cannot work, regardless of how clever we are.

flyfisher on May 4, 2011 at 10:01 AM

This. I didn’t vote for my congressman so he could cut the rate of growth in spending. I want him to actually cut spending. We must eliminate entire departments and means-test Social Security and Medicare. We must eliminate ObamaCare.

Stayright on May 4, 2011 at 10:22 AM

Buy Danish,

I don’t know what that question even means

Stayright on May 4, 2011 at 10:23 AM

From the beginning it was obvious that getting these types of fiscally responsible changes put through was going to require a massive grassroots educational effort to get voters informed about the cliff we’re currently zooming toward.

I disagree. People know that spending cuts are needed. But polls also show that have enough fiscal sense to know that revenue is part of the equation. Ryan’s plan ignores that side. If people are offered a balanced road to fiscal sanity they will likely support it.

lexhamfox on May 4, 2011 at 10:24 AM

Buy Danish,

I don’t know what that question even means

Stayright on May 4, 2011 at 10:23 AM

I infer you’re not a member of the Young Communist League:

Libertarian Marxists, however, fully support direct democracy in the form of the proletarian republic and see majority rule and citizen participation as virtues. The Young Communist League, USA in particular refers to representative democracy as “bourgeois democracy,” implying that they see direct democracy as “true democracy.”[17]

Buy Danish on May 4, 2011 at 10:33 AM

If people are offered a balanced road to fiscal sanity they will likely support it.

lexhamfox on May 4, 2011 at 10:24 AM

Unless it is to their benefit not to. Did you see the WSJ article today about how 1 in 7 Americans are now on food stamps? How many people on the government dole do you think are game for cutting back on government entitlements?

KickandSwimMom on May 4, 2011 at 10:34 AM

When are we going to change everyone’s underlying assumptions about the proper role of government? Until we do that we can never solve our fiscal problems.

flyfisher on May 4, 2011 at 10:01 AM

The 16th and 17th Amendments were ratified in 1913. That was the beginning of the ed for the USA.

The 16th – The federal income tax

The 17th – Senators become elected by the people.

These two amendments successfully destroyed the federation of the people, the state governments and the national governments.

Before 1913, the federal government was comprised of the House, elected by the people of each state; the Senate, two members of each state chosen by the state legislature, which was elected by the people of that state, and the President, elected by representatives of the state legislature selected by the state.

So, State legislatures were accountable to their people; the House was accountable to the people; the Senate was accountable to the State legislatures; the President was elected by the State legislatures; and then the Judiciaries were appointed at the state and national level.

That was a truly representative republican form of government.

Today, the people, by majority vote, elect the House; the people, by majority vote, elect the Senate; the people, by majority vote elect the state legislatures. Most of the judiciary is still appointed.

Since 1913, we basically have lived in a direct democracy (mob/majority rules) wrapped in the language of a representative republic.

There will be not a return to Constitutional government and restraint as the Founders set up, until people are aware that we don’t currently operate in a Constitutional government as originally envisioned (contrary to what government schools teach people.)

j_galt on May 4, 2011 at 10:39 AM

You can take the position that it is a joke and we can all admire your position but in the end Ryan’s plan is probably too abitious for the public to handle so trying for more just ensure that we do nothing. You remind me of the liberals who say Obama is a failure because he didn’t get single payer, he only set us on a path to Socialized Medicine (which they like spoiled children can’t see)

Conan on May 4, 2011 at 9:12 AM

You remind me of the guy last seen bailing water on the Titanic.

Stayright on May 4, 2011 at 10:42 AM

j_galt on May 4, 2011 at 10:39 AM

I agree with you, though I would argue it really started downhill with the election of Lincoln.

flyfisher on May 4, 2011 at 10:48 AM

You remind me of the guy last seen bailing water on the Titanic.

Stayright on May 4, 2011 at 10:42 AM

That’s what’s happening today. Many people are arguing over how to save the ship – the USA. I’m trying to inflate a life raft and get of the ship.

People walk buy and say, “Why are you doing that? you should be helping bail out water to save the ship!”

I say, “Why are helping bail out water? The ship is sinking without a doubt! Help me inflate this damn life raft and we’ll get off this sinking ship!”

j_galt on May 4, 2011 at 10:50 AM

j_galt on May 4, 2011 at 10:39 AM

I agree with you, though I would argue it really started downhill with the election of Lincoln.

flyfisher on May 4, 2011 at 10:48 AM

We’ll yeah. But you gotta take baby steps. People are shocked when I tell them what I think about Abe Lincoln. Starting with the income tax is good. Everyone hates the IRS. ;)

j_galt on May 4, 2011 at 10:51 AM

j_galt on May 4, 2011 at 10:39 AM

I agree with you, though I would argue it really started downhill with the election of Lincoln.

flyfisher on May 4, 2011 at 10:48 AM
We’ll yeah. But you gotta take baby steps. People are shocked when I tell them what I think about Abe Lincoln. Starting with the income tax is good. Everyone hates the IRS. ;)

j_galt on May 4, 2011 at 10:51 AM

It’s hard to overcome 150 years of propaganda. I wish every conservative would at least pick up Thomas DiLorenzo’s book The Real Lincoln and read the forward written by Dr. Walter Williams. Every Rush listener knows Dr. Williams. That forward alone is enough to make people start to question what they really know of Lincoln. He is the man most responsible for changing the nature of our country from what the Founders intended. Without Abe, Wilson, FDR, and LBJ couldn’t have done what they did.

flyfisher on May 4, 2011 at 10:57 AM

From the beginning it was obvious that getting these types of fiscally responsible changes put through was going to require a massive grassroots educational effort to get voters informed about the cliff we’re currently zooming toward. But if these numbers hold, the message isn’t getting out there. That will not only severely endanger any chances of a vote succeeding in Congress, but could shorten the political lifespan of those supporting the changes.

This is the source of my frustration and anger with the “Birthers”. We face government spending on autopilot to destroy this country. We need to convince our fellow citizens to reform how our government provide benefits for people. This requires serious conversation about our economy. Yet, the serious adult conversation is being neglected so the Birthtards can babble nonsense about Obama’s birth certificate.

thuja on May 4, 2011 at 11:08 AM

thuja on May 4, 2011 at 11:08 AM

I thought the birthers were a small fringe group.

Stayright on May 4, 2011 at 11:14 AM

What are the stages? Denial…anger…acceptance?

dhimwit on May 4, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Without Abe, Wilson, FDR, and LBJ couldn’t have done what they did.

flyfisher on May 4, 2011 at 10:57 AM

You don’t have to read what Williams said about Abe. You just have to read what Abe said about Abe, and what Abe’s contemporary’s had to say about Abe. But DiLorenzo and Williams are spot on from what heard them say. I haven’t read DiLorenzo’s book.

j_galt on May 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM

What are the stages? Denial…anger…acceptance?

dhimwit on May 4, 2011 at 11:17 AM

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

Most of the people in the country are currently in stage 3 – bargaining.

j_galt on May 4, 2011 at 11:22 AM

I thought the birthers were a small fringe group.

Stayright on May 4, 2011 at 11:14 AM

I guess they are a small fringe group but they are vocal. They are also exactly what the Left wants to portray Republicans as, and so the mainstream media is happy to give them all the attention they could want.

thuja on May 4, 2011 at 11:24 AM

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

Most of the people in the country are currently in stage 3 – bargaining.

j_galt on May 4, 2011 at 11:22 AM

These stages are just another bad academic theory. You can google around and find the objections if you are interested.

thuja on May 4, 2011 at 11:27 AM

You can google around and find the objections if you are interested.

thuja on May 4, 2011 at 11:27 AM

I’m not interested.

j_galt on May 4, 2011 at 11:48 AM

…an overwhelming majority feel that no changes to entitlement programs should be made without a direct vote on it by the American people.

Are the overwhelming majority morons? Do they think we’re a direct democracy governed by national plebiscite? What the hell kind of questions is Rasmussen asking, anyhow?

SukieTawdry on May 4, 2011 at 11:53 AM

Evidently many Americans still don’t know that the Golden Goose is all crapped out!

MCGIRV on May 4, 2011 at 11:55 AM

I’m not interested.

j_galt on May 4, 2011 at 11:48 AM

My either. If I thought it was interesting, I would have provided a link myself. But it is useful reminder that doubting the theories of academics may be intellectual respectable.

thuja on May 4, 2011 at 12:01 PM

The number of people solidly supporting the Ryan plan is holding steady, but the undecideds are coming off the fence and seem to be heading in the wrong direction.

Apparently these people would prefer us to smash into the debt wall at 100 MPH.

If we can’t educate their congresscritters to do the right thing, we’re all screwed.

disa on May 4, 2011 at 3:21 PM

And people falling through the air are saying, “I don’t want that parachute. That parachute looks uncomfortable.”

RBMN on May 4, 2011 at 8:19 AM

Reminds me of Mayor Nagin and those school busses that weren’t used to evacuate people in New Orleans. They wanted Greyhounds?

disa on May 4, 2011 at 3:24 PM

Every Republican in Congress, and millions of tea partiers and Republicans across the U.S. should start wearing clothing with the graphs of deficit spending over the past 10 years and/or total debt outlook under current law with no entitlement reform. I don’t care if they iron it onto their suits, wear t-shirts, fake tattoo it on their foreheads for every tv interview, walk around wearing the advertising boards, or whatever other creative method they want to choose. Pick the most effective message and get EVERYONE TO DO IT IN A NOTICABLE WAY!!! Within weeks, a huge portion of the voting population, even the half that barely pay attention to politics and can’t even name the Vice President, would become aware of the fiscal nightmare we are headed toward. If everywhere you went, you saw people with these graphs, it would be impossible to remain ignorant for long.

The case is simple. We’ve promised more than we can possibly pay. We will have to make adjustments at some point. Either we phase them in now and let people adjust gradually (the Ryan plan) or we hit the accelerator and keep the car headed straight toward the fiscal crisis cliff.

willamettevalley on May 4, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Well what do you expect…most of the public can’t add anything greater than the number of digits on their hands and feet.
Remember this is a group who think this way….a proposed budget with an increase of 20%, if adopted with just a 10% increase, reports and actually thinks that the budget has been cut by 10%, and they complain about budget cuts.
This has happened time and time again, the American people are about as stupid in math as anyone could possibly conceive.
And BTW, many of the posters on HA are not that much better…

right2bright on May 4, 2011 at 4:32 PM