Obama: No, we’re not going to release the Bin Laden death photos; Update: Reuters releases photos of dead OBL couriers
posted at 4:56 pm on May 4, 2011 by Allahpundit
I think this is the right call, actually, but not for the usual reasons.
Besides, O surely realizes that they’ll leak sooner rather than later.
In an interview with Steve Kroft for this Sunday’s “60 Minutes,” President Obama says he won’t release post-mortem images of Osama bin Laden taken to prove his death…
Republican House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers said Wednesday that the Obama administration should not release the gruesome post-mortem images, saying it could complicate the job for American troops overseas. Rogers told CBS News he has seen a post-mortem photo…
“Imagine how the American people would react if Al Qaeda killed one of our troops or military leaders, and put photos of the body on the internet,” Rogers continued. “Osama bin Laden is not a trophy – he is dead and let’s now focus on continuing the fight until Al Qaida has been eliminated.”
I can think of four arguments for releasing the photos. One: It’ll prove that he’s dead. Except, of course, that it won’t. Conspiracy cranks will screech about the pic being doctored or the victim being an impostor (“those aren’t his eyebrows!”) within five minutes of it being posted. There’s no such thing as “proof” anymore; the Internet age is proof-proof. If anything, the more evidence you provide, the more pretexts you create for kooks to pose moronic challenges to it. If the White House wants to reassure people that the photos exist, they can show them to Republican leaders, to members of the press, and maybe to 9/11 families for their satisfaction. (Scott Brown apparently has already seen them.)
Two: It’ll warn the jihadis of the world of what awaits if they mess with America. Didn’t the Zarqawi death photos already warn them of that, though? How about killing scores of Al Qaeda commanders with drone strikes in Pakistan and elsewhere? The fact that Bin Laden and Zawahiri were in hiding for 10 years is pretty solid evidence that they know what happens when you mess with Uncle Sam.
Three: Turnabout is fair play. If we had to endure photos of U.S. troops doing wrong at Abu Ghraib, let’s celebrate the photos of U.S. troops doing right by taking down a monster. I think that’s a better argument for why the Abu Ghraib photos shouldn’t have been released, though, than for why the Bin Laden photos should be. And in fact, Obama agrees: Remember when he broke his promise to the left to release photos of detainee abuse and filed suit to keep them suppressed in the name of national security? Also, Abu Ghraib was a case of exposing government malfeasance, which the public has a right to know about. They may not have a right to the photos, given the propaganda value of those photos to the enemy, but it’s not an apples and apples comparison with a national high-five like killing Bin Laden.
Four: It’s a trophy. People want to see dead Osama’s face because they want to revel in it. They’d put it on t-shirts and coffee mugs even though, according to one of CBS’s sources, it’s beyond gruesome (the “bullet opened his skull, exposing the brain, and it also blew out his eye”). After watching Americans forced to choose between burning alive or jumping to their deaths on 9/11, the thinking goes, we deserve to plaster images of Bin Laden’s cortex on billboards. Fair enough, but I have to say, just knowing how the raid went down and that his skull ended up being popped like a balloon is already … deeply satisfying. I keep thinking of him in his bedroom, listening to the SEALs banging around downstairs and hyperventilating at the thought of what would happen when they opened the door. I don’t need an extra scoop of sugar on that hot fudge sundae. It’s already tastier than I could have hoped for.
So those are the arguments in favor. The obvious argument against releasing the photo, per Bob Gates and Hillary, is that it’ll “inflame anti-American sentiment” and put troops in the field at greater risk. Didn’t we already cross that bridge, though, by … killing Osama Bin Laden? And haven’t we heard that same argument used before by our political leaders to pressure people like Terry Jones on free speech? The argument the administration could/should have made is that sometimes we have to accept a greater operational risk in the interest of protecting core values like the First Amendment — and that this isn’t one of those times, since there’s really no core value that would be served by releasing a “suck it, jihadis” Bin Laden death photo. It would feel great, but as I said above, it already feels great. And the “suck it” message has, I take it, already been received by all the important people via the fact that Osama now literally sleeps with the fishes.
The reason I think this is a good call is that I like the idea of Bin Laden being reduced to an afterthought, even in death. He had already reduced himself to that status after 10 years of hiding like a rat and churning out the occasional audio message that no one paid much attention to. Then, on Sunday, in the span of 12 hours, he went from quietly doing whatever he was still doing for Al Qaeda to quietly having a chunk of his head blown off to quietly being kicked off the deck of a U.S. carrier into the sea. Just like that, gone from the face of the Earth; I’ll bet the carrier crew didn’t even hear the splash. That’s a sweet ending for a messianic fanatic. Release the photo and you undo some of that, though, by treating him like a big enough deal that the world should gawk at his fate. Why give his followers that satisfaction? He wasn’t a big deal. He was to us because we had unfinished business with him, but nearly everyone else — possibly even Al Qaeda — had moved on. And now we get to move on too. Next.
Update: Ah, looks like Scott Brown only saw one of the fake photos circulating online. I’m sure the GOP leadership can view the real thing if it asks Obama to make them available. Although Boehner says he doesn’t need to:
“That’s a decision for the administration to make,” Boehner said when asked if it was necessary to release any of the bin Laden photos, which U.S. officials have described as carrying the gory imprint of a gunshot wound to the head. “They have to decide what to do. I’m convinced. I have no doubts.”
Update: A Pakistani security official showed up at the compound shortly after the raid ended and snapped a few pics, which he then sold to Reuters. If you want to see what happens to jihadis when they come face to face with SEALs, brace yourself and click here.
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New meme: What would candidate obama do? WWCOD
If only (candidate) Obama knew!
aquaviva on May 22, 2013 at 2:43 PM
I feel so sorry for you Obama-azz-dwelleres.
Suffocate from what you’ve consumed, you traitors.
Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 2:43 PM
Dwellers…it ain’t Beluga caviar…you’ve been consuming Obama’s shit. Suffocate from it, slowly and painfully.
I hope that Messrs. Ailes and Murdoch will fight for the 1st, with all their might, and the help of the ACLU and any decent leftist, hah.
Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 2:45 PM
Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 2:46 PM
Chuck “Frog” Todd discovers the scorpion.
Mr. D on May 22, 2013 at 2:46 PM
It’s just like the gun laws they want. A national registry prevents anyone from ever discussing in public whether or not they might have guns. You might have liberal (re: Communist) neighbors that would report you to the moral authorities…
Freakin’ USSA
kirkill on May 22, 2013 at 2:47 PM
Soviets would be proud.
goflyers on May 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM
At this point, can’t we just make Cuba the 58th state already?
kirkill on May 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM
Obviously, Todd and all those singing his same tune have lost all credibility. Worse, those on the Left are also traitors.
Love,
Obama’s Choirboys
Chris Matthews
Our trolls
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM
Hmmm but it is really satisfying to see them sweat too.
petunia on May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Wow. They’ve gone too far even for Chuck Todd.
Can I get a Maddow?
Robert_Paulson on May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Is this surprising? After all, it’s the Chicago Way.
Fred 2 on May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM
The media I mean.
petunia on May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Boo Hoo. Chuck Todd was right there with the effort to criminalize private gun ownership, in fact if not in name, via harassment of gun owners. Now all of a sudden I’m supposed to be outraged because his ox is getting gored.
It’s a serious thing, but I’m not buying the sudden respect for rights from most of these clowns.
JohnTant on May 22, 2013 at 2:50 PM
“Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.” – David Burge
kirkill on May 22, 2013 at 2:50 PM
Gad. And HAL’s book is Sal Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals too. Such a freakin’ idiot.
But true. I’m getting to the point that our only hope is that after the complete collapse of the United States, the sane people with all the guns can reinstall the Constitution and start over.
RESET!
kirkill on May 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM
In one way I cannot disagree – the U.S. media is probably comprised of many of the world’s most dishonest people. Many “journalists” lie on a level similar to Barack Obama or Marco Rubio. But, Obama only wants to criminalize those who don’t agree with him.
bw222 on May 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM
Let’s not forget that Chuck Todd’s wife (Christin Deny Todd) is a Democratic operative.
bw222 on May 22, 2013 at 2:55 PM
Big whoop. What are all these hyperventilating pearl-clutchers in the journalism field going to do about it? Nothing. They’re Obama’s kept b_tches and they know it.
Aitch748 on May 22, 2013 at 2:57 PM
May you journalists, aka lemmings, be the first useful idiots he jails.
txhsmom on May 22, 2013 at 2:57 PM
The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
Be outraged. Use the law and a good portion of absolute moral authority to take this criminal enterprise down.
Dusty on May 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM
I don’t think Chuckie and his ilk will be turning in their Hope & Change autographed kneepads yet though…
Bruno Strozek on May 22, 2013 at 3:01 PM
Flashback:
Forward!
visions on May 22, 2013 at 3:02 PM
Did IRS guidelines say teaching the Constitution is a political act?
Kerry Brentwood – Michigan
Shulman is squirming again.
Oh jeez, Shulman admits he doesn’t know the constitution and can’t recite it or explain 1, 2 or 19th amendments. Brentwood asks if he knows what TEA stands for – taxed enough already – Shulman says he didn’t know.
Looking at the fools and idiots in positions of power the rest of the world must be ROTFLTFAO at us.
wyntre9 on May 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM
Obama not born in Kenya. Born in East Berlin.
kurtzz3 on May 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM
No, what’s funny is how you tongue bathers have allowed him to shift all over the place while you turn a blind eye to it. For your failure to do your “job”, you’ve allowed this to happen. If he’d have been held accountable early in his career by the press, as a politician, do you think he would’ve made it this far? With this type of behavior? C’mon Chuck, by saying “Candidate Obama” you’re basically saying that you guys have been witness to this guy changing his positions and had the utter luxury of unrestrained freedom of movement to adapt his position to the situation at hand.
What good are you, Chuck???? See Obama and see your failure, it’s that simple, homeboy.
ted c on May 22, 2013 at 3:08 PM
I hate to break this to you, but Candidate Obama and President Obama are one and the same person.
This means that he played you, Chuckie. He told you a bunch of pretty, pretty lies and you swallowed them all. Let that sink in.
Saltyron on May 22, 2013 at 3:09 PM
Not going to happen. It’s going to get worse before it can get better.
Fenris on May 22, 2013 at 3:09 PM
It appears to me like the administration doesn’t even care what anyone thinks about what they’ve been doing. If the president were really “outraged” don’t you think someone’s head would roll? Who is he afraid of? Holder? Because what they’re doing is downright cowardly.
scalleywag on May 22, 2013 at 3:10 PM
Should probably wait and see what the fallout from all this is before making a statement like that.
A lot of people are getting a taste of what ‘progressivism’ really means. I don’t think that’s going to work well for you guys.
rightmind on May 22, 2013 at 3:12 PM
A talking sock puppet that sleeps with the lowest form of prostitute. Willing to sell his soul and his kids for a few
peices of silver and a chance to fellate the kenyan.
acyl72 on May 22, 2013 at 3:13 PM
…our philosopher King?
This is why you have a parasitic criminal class near most college campuses and other concentrations of liberals.
Marks like tingles are the best, though. They never admit that they were mugged.
IlikedAUH2O on May 22, 2013 at 3:14 PM
So, F. Chuck Todd is a racist, along with Chris Matthews, for criticizing a Black President?
pjarhead on May 22, 2013 at 3:15 PM
Welcome to Chicago politics, F. Chuck Todd. These MSM reporters are truly fools.
Henry Bowman on May 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM
Lol!!! Chucky Todd. Starve!!! Bunch of damn fluffers.
Bmore on May 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM
Far as I’m concerned, these smug no-balz reporters can cry in their $10 lattes all week, while I laugh at them. Their liberalism and their precious Obama brought all this about, even though they were warned five years ago their candidate is a sleaze.
This is nothing. I think more have been spied on, including azz-kissers like Matthews. In any dictatorship, the biggest supporters are the ones most closely watched. There’s always a suspicion of heresy, and that has to be stamped out faster than any active opposition. Wait till Obamacare kicks in, too.
You reap what you sow. I hope their precious Obama gives them a bountiful harvest.
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 3:17 PM
scalleywag on May 22, 2013 at 3:10 PM
And why is it that they don’t care? Is it because they know nothing will happen to them? I have always thought the POS knows he’s untouchable and that’s probably because of the powers behind the throne.
wyntre9 on May 22, 2013 at 3:17 PM
Criminalize journalism?
Yes, chuck, journalism. It’s that profession that you haven’t been involved with over the last few years. Don’t worry, there’ll be plenty of jobs for leg humpers, tongue bathers and water carriers. Pays the same as you make right now, buddy.
ted c on May 22, 2013 at 3:20 PM
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Well, I guess TECHNICALLY it doesn’t say the President can’t do any of these things. So there’s that.
UnderstandingisPower on May 22, 2013 at 3:21 PM
Lol!!! Chucky Todd. Starve!!! Bunch of damn fluffers.
Bmore on May 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM
Friend, pls. photoshop the 3 monkeys of oblivion: Holder Obama and Hillary.
Also, consider photoshopping the 3 stooges, same characters.
Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 3:22 PM
Someone appropriately misspelled them “trools” this morning. I kind of like that.
oldroy on May 22, 2013 at 3:22 PM
Yeah Chuckie-boy, sark on it. Too bad you weren’t one of the realjournalists when F&F, Bengazi, HHS, OSHA, IRS, EPA, WiretAP scandals were breaking.
It was the folks like the ones here at HA doing the real grunt work.
Turtle317 on May 22, 2013 at 3:23 PM
Were all of the groups that got slammed by the IRS in total red states ?Did any of them have Democrat senators or Democrat congressmen?Were the Democrats in the group that doesn’t know anything or did they just go along with it?The MSM is dead in this country.The only media left is sites like this.
docflash on May 22, 2013 at 3:23 PM
I saw that, and like it, too. Kind of a cross between ‘trolls’ and ‘tools’.
Maybe that commenter coined a new term exclusive to HotAir. Might even catch on with other Conservative sites.
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 3:28 PM
Chuck – Hope you like the change you have been promoting the last several years.
albill on May 22, 2013 at 3:30 PM
But, Benghazi is a political witch hunt…
d1carter on May 22, 2013 at 3:31 PM
The State Run Media thought they would be exempt from the repression…LOL.
d1carter on May 22, 2013 at 3:31 PM
It’s great to see Chuck Todd cheering on journalism and journalists! Someday he might consider abandoning the Ministry of Truth propaganda machine, and join in.
MTF on May 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM
Mighty short book ya got there.
Dope.
herm2416 on May 22, 2013 at 3:38 PM
Or trolls and fools. But I repeat myself.
IrishEyes on May 22, 2013 at 3:39 PM
Lol! Okay, you got it. I’ll drop it off when its done. ; )
Bmore on May 22, 2013 at 3:41 PM
meh…there’s something pathetic how conservatives keep hoping these liberal journalists are going to start being even-handed…just wait, Chuck Todd and the rest of them will forgive and forget when it’s convenient.
blue13326 on May 22, 2013 at 3:41 PM
And somehow Obama’s Gallup approval is still in the 50s.
I swear…Even if Obama rounded up 1/2 the country to the gas chambers, 50+% of the country including some of the 1/2 going into the gas chambers would still approve of Obama’s job performance.
Varchild on May 22, 2013 at 3:46 PM
The first step in totalitarian rule is to silence the opposition by intimidation. Now we can clearly see what kind of government we are going to get.
kemojr on May 22, 2013 at 3:50 PM
But the Tea Party, they should be criminalized.
Alabama Infidel on May 22, 2013 at 3:55 PM
Manure Spreading Media = Useful Idiots (V.I. Lenin)
Missilengr on May 22, 2013 at 3:56 PM
When
you’ve lostyou’re losing Chuck Toad…bofh on May 22, 2013 at 4:05 PM
BreakingNews: Chuck Todd(D) has placed his inflatable Obama love doll on CraigsList… it is SO over…
DANEgerus on May 22, 2013 at 4:06 PM
Once leftist scumbag todd gets his assurances from the OBOZO regime that he isn’t a target – he’ll be back licking OBOZO’s boots before you can say “d-cRAT stooge.”
TeaPartyNation on May 22, 2013 at 4:07 PM
about three days before the election in 2008 there was a story out of Tennessee about two guys talking in a bar about shooting Senator Obama. Made big headlines with all the racial intoning that could be mustered. The gal that initiated the report was the wife of Kerry’s 2004 campaign manager. It caused me to research a whole lot of names associated with by-lines. The ties to journ-o-listers to the dem party are very strong.
And the story was bogus of course.
DanMan on May 22, 2013 at 4:08 PM
WaPo: The Insiders: A special prosecutor in the IRS matter is inevitable
Resist We Much on May 22, 2013 at 4:11 PM
Let me make sure I get my hands around all of this:
Criminalizing journalism, or in other words, restricting rights guaranteed under the First Amendment, is doubleungood.
Criminalizing gun ownership, or in other words, restricting rights guaranteed under the Second Amendment, is doubleplusgood.
NOW, it all makes sense
Tar Heel Sooner on May 22, 2013 at 4:15 PM
“Fundamentally change America!” The idiots that voted for this Commie had no idea what he was talking about because they never took the time to learn anything about this traitor to America!!
Deano1952 on May 22, 2013 at 4:18 PM
BINGO! I don’t think this will occur to the LSM as a whole, though. Nor will they ever call him on it.
fred5678 on May 22, 2013 at 4:31 PM
Hey Chuck,
You DID build that !!
Sleep with it !
Jabberwock on May 22, 2013 at 4:34 PM
Well Chuck, by being a gutless weasel, the alligator is going to eat you last. Don’t worry, he’s hungry.
rhombus on May 22, 2013 at 4:57 PM
.
Actually, Chuck, the way journalism has been practiced in the age of Øbama is criminal. You have a lot to atone for, Bub.
ExpressoBold on May 22, 2013 at 5:08 PM
When Obama has lost Chuck Todd he is done.
mitchellvii on May 22, 2013 at 5:10 PM
Drop that notepad and reach for the sky!, dirtbag.
BobMbx on May 22, 2013 at 5:43 PM
Right up to the time the ol’ EBT card achieved a zero balance, with no means of the government to fill it up.
“Waddya mean we cooked the dudes who we gots da money from?”
BobMbx on May 22, 2013 at 5:46 PM
For over 30 years…. I thought that I escaped my Communist country.
MNH on May 22, 2013 at 6:33 PM
Not buying it.
Judge apologizes for lack of transparency in James Rosen leak probe
The chief judge of the District’s federal court issued an unusual order Wednesday, apologizing to the public and the media for not making certain court documents widely available online.
The gesture of transparency by U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth comes at a time when the Obama administration is under scrutiny for an unprecedented number of leak investigations, including one showing that the Justice Department had secretly probed the news-gathering activities of Fox News reporter James Rosen.
The investigation of Rosen was first reported Monday, after The Washington Post obtained court documents containing details of the case.
A federal judge had ordered the documents unsealed in November 2011, but they were kept sealed for 18 months and not posted on the court’s online docket until last week, after The Post inquired about them.
Lamberth blamed a series of administrative errors and said a review of the “performance of the personnel involved is underway.” He also said he was creating a new category on the court’s Web site where all search and arrest warrants will be made public unless they fall under a separate sealing order.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/judge-apologizes-for-lack-of-transparency-in-leak-case/2013/05/22/ad769370-c308-11e2-8c3b-0b5e9247e8ca_story.html
wyntre9 on May 22, 2013 at 6:37 PM
More information the public should have had before the vote.
That election was a fraud.
Obama is not President.
petunia on May 22, 2013 at 6:44 PM
Heh
cornbred on May 22, 2013 at 8:55 PM
The media is fine with Obama trashing the Ammendments to the US Constitution because it is old and…..hey wait…..you can’t do that….
dddave on May 23, 2013 at 11:35 AM