Is OBL more valuable alive or dead?

posted at 2:00 pm on May 4, 2011 by Bruce McQuain

Someone ask me that and it set me to thinking.  The obvious implication is we may have blown it by not taking him alive (many believing he might have been an intel goldmine).  However, I’ve personally concluded that there is (and was) more value in his death than if we’d taken him alive.

Let me expand on that.

As we all know, he’d been holed up in that fortress cum “mansion” for 6 years with no land line or internet connection – so he was dependent on trusted couriers for news of the organization he’d founded and had little ability to influence the day to day operations of al Qaeda.  Obviously he would have still been a valuable intelligence asset, but not quite as valuable as one might think.   I get the impression that bin Laden’s real value to the jihadist community was that of figurehead – that as long as he lived, his existence continued to demonstrate to his followers how powerless the “great Satan” really was.   Every day he drew breath, he rubbed in the fact that he could take 3,000 lives in a single day and the US couldn’t even take his.

With each video or audio clip he had smuggled out of his lair and posted among jihadi sites, he tweaked the nose of the US and inspired his jihadist followers.  His stature grew with each tweak.  His survival helped him sell the “righteousness” of his cause because he could claim the protection of his god as the reason he was still untouched.

Bin Laden, given his experiences prior to 9/11, honestly believed that the US was too decadent and cowardly to ever take real action against he and his followers.  He’d tried to bomb the World Trade Center in 1993, did bomb Kohbar Towers and two African embassies as well as attacking the USS Cole.  In all case the reaction was pitifully inadequate. He also believed we didn’t have the fortitude or courage to take casualties and stick it out for the long run.  His planning got more ambitious.  He, like many throughout history, badly underestimated his foe.

His first indication of his future fate came with the capture of Saddam Hussein.  Hussein shared bin Laden’s beliefs about the US and found himself to be horribly wrong.  Not only did we destroy his regime, we were relentless in his pursuit, finally capturing him months after the culmination of combat operations in Iraq.  He went to the gallows a thoroughly defeated man.

Bin Laden didn’t expect to have to live as he’s had too these past 6 years.  He believed at some point soon after we invaded Afghanistan we’d tire of the combat deaths and the commitment and leave.  He felt his beliefs about the US would be vindicated.   But not only did we stay in Afghanistan, we invaded Iraq and stayed there as well.  And when it was clear we were going to be successful there, the first realization that he was dead wrong about the US had to dawn on him.  To quote Admiral Yamamato, he had awakened a sleeping giant with his 9/11 attacks, and that giant wasn’t going to roll over this time and go back to sleep.

The Sunday operation that led to his death was the culmination of years upon years of effort to find the man.  It was a relentless pursuit.  It cost us lives.  It took a lot of money.  It took a lot of time.  But when that Navy SEAL pumped two rounds into bin Laden’s head, he not only killed bin Laden, but he killed forever the narrative bin Laden had built up among his followers for years.

No longer could his followers take comfort in the belief that the US was a decadent, cowardly paper tiger.  Iraq and 10 years in Afghanistan had blown that myth away.  No longer could his followers believe that his survival demonstrated the righteousness of their cause.  He was now fish food.

More important was the message his death sent to the entire jihadist community – something his capture couldn’t do – it may take years, lives and money to find you, but we will find you.  And when we find you, we will kill you.

That’s an incredibly powerful and important message to send.  Bin Laden’s death was the very best way to send it.  It will reverberate throughout the jihadist community and the hopeful result is a further lessening of al Qaeda’s influence and a peeling away of the less committed among that community.  It is clear that his death was a greater “value” for the US that was his capture.

Hats off to all those who made it happen.  As someone said, “5.1.11 is the day we got even”.  And the jihadist community will remember it, and hopefully its lesson,  just as we remember 9/11.


Bruce McQuain blogs at Questions and Observations (QandO), Blackfive, the Washington Examiner and the Green Room.  Follow him on Twitter: @McQandO

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Reports based on information gleaned from computers at his compound indicate that he was still very much in charge of al-Qaeda operations. Still, it would have been good to take him alive…Dangerous, but good.

cynccook on May 4, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Is OBL more valuable alive or dead?

It’s a little late to be asking that questions isn’t it? ;-)

UltimateBob on May 4, 2011 at 2:03 PM

It would have been nice to deny him the martyrs death he wanted. It certainly would not have been worth letting him or his little clan the chance to take one more American life. I’m satisfied and don’t feel like we missed out on too much.

lexhamfox on May 4, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Apparently not valuable enough dead to give the American public the satisfaction of seeing him so.

Bruno Strozek on May 4, 2011 at 2:03 PM

UltimateBob on May 4, 2011 at 2:03 PM

+ One Trillion.

Cindy Munford on May 4, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Well Obama says he is just like an American soldier, so.

andy85719 on May 4, 2011 at 2:05 PM

Is OBL more valuable alive or dead?

Depends what the current market price for fish chum is.

Shy Guy on May 4, 2011 at 2:05 PM

It would have been nice to waterboard him in order to get information on AQ. Also, it would have been nice to turn him into a girl, and to make him do some videos at our direction.

Really Right on May 4, 2011 at 2:06 PM

Was.

Weebork on May 4, 2011 at 2:06 PM

Hats off to all those who made it happen. As someone said, “5.1.11 is the day we got even”. And the jihadist community will remember it, and hopefully its lesson, just as we remember 9/11.

I think that about sums it up.

The only ones who won’t remember, are liberals. They show elation now, but just wait. Soon this will pass like clouds on a windy day, and they’ll be back to bashing troops, war, and anything related. Only their way is the way to true justice. *sigh*

capejasmine on May 4, 2011 at 2:07 PM

Alive? So that every left wing lawyer could sign up for his defense? So that we could have more Truther BS with Bin Laden chiming in? Or so that all Muslims who want notoriety can take hostages and kill infidels with impunity in order to make a name for their miserable selves?

pat on May 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM

There would have been endless kipnappings and ransom demands for his release. Good riddance.

pedestrian on May 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Anyone listening to Rush? Even Clintons declined Obama’s invite to NYC tomorrow.

capejasmine on May 4, 2011 at 2:09 PM

So, no pictures?

Statement by the President on World Press Freedom Day

On this World Press Freedom Day, the United States joins with people around the world in reaffirming the fundamental freedoms of expression, assembly, and association that provide the foundation for media to operate freely and keep citizens informed. We rededicate ourselves to the basic principle enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights that every person has the right “to seek, receive, and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.” And we recognize the courageous journalists who work every day to give meaning to these rights, often at great risk to their lives, as we have seen most recently with the tragic deaths of journalists in Libya.

Governments have an obligation to protect these rights and freedoms.

As we witnessed in the historic events in Tunisia and Egypt, new media tools can also help empower citizens exercise their freedoms of speech and association, yet these same 21st century tools can be used to filter, block, and restrict free expression. That is why we must always stand up for the free flow of information around the world.

History shows that one of the ingredients of successful, prosperous, and stable societies is a free press where citizens can freely access information and hold their governments accountable. On this World Press Freedom Day, we recognize the vital role that journalists play in strengthening democratic governance around the world and we honor all those who have given their lives in courageous pursuit of the truth.

Obama… yesterday (May 3, 2011).

AaaaAAAAaawk-ward!

Abby Adams on May 4, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Stop the hand wringing already.

Kenosha Kid on May 4, 2011 at 2:12 PM

You can’t win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

Ben Hur on May 4, 2011 at 2:12 PM

More valuable dead, ala Adm Yamamoto.

Vashta.Nerada on May 4, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Never leave an enemy standing.

Oil Can on May 4, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Moot question…

OmahaConservative on May 4, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Well, now that we got UBL, I guess Superman is reconsidering renouncing his citizenship.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/blaze-sources-superman-could-have-change-of-heart-about-renouncing-citizenship/
Too late Clark. We handled it without ya. Besides, I prefer Iron Man. A super hero and a capitalist.

mizflame98 on May 4, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Still say he should have been buried in a pig sty!

GarandFan on May 4, 2011 at 2:15 PM

Only one way to find out. Go get his remains from the bottom of the sea.

Put it on eBay.

Christien on May 4, 2011 at 2:15 PM

Four foreign helicopters flew into a garrison town, stayed for 40 minutes, and there was no firefight. I am not buying that Pakistan was harboring bin Laden. I now believe he was under, in effect, house arrest.

SlimyBill on May 4, 2011 at 2:18 PM

There would have been endless kipnappings and ransom demands for his release. Good riddance.

pedestrian on May 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Exactly. His death saved the lives of countless people who would have been taken hostage. It also spared us needless antagonism with the foreign countries in which many of those hostages would have been taken.

It would have been worth it just to spare us the handwringing from the ACLU, Amnesty International, etc.

cool breeze on May 4, 2011 at 2:19 PM

Osama Bin Laden FAILED his final jihadbot test. As the infidel US Navy SEALs approached, Bin Laden could’ve at least gone down firing, or used a personal explosive device/suicide vest and taken a few Americans with him. I mean, he does expect his minions to fly jets into skyscrapers and buy the farm for the cause, certainly Bin Laden would do the same, no?

Alas, Bin Laden went down as a coward. All of his homies lay dead, bleeding or flexcuffed and Bin Laden couldn’t find the internal courage to at least put up a fight. He died a cowardly, Arab pu$$y.

ted c on May 4, 2011 at 2:21 PM

Bumbling Carney press conference on now…

Odie1941 on May 4, 2011 at 2:23 PM

There would have been endless kipnappings and ransom demands for his release. Good riddance.

pedestrian on May 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Exactly. Putting him at Gitmo or anywhere else would constitute a national security threat. Killing Osama Bin Laden was the only option.

rbj on May 4, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Even better – Carney reading CBS – Obama transcripts as a lead in… wow.

Odie1941 on May 4, 2011 at 2:24 PM

Plus, I want to get a T-shirt made that states,

“SEAL Team 6 beats your jihad everyday of the week and twice on Sundays”

Oil Can on May 4, 2011 at 2:24 PM

Q. If you recovered a boatload of computerized data from a guy like bin Laden, from a “compound” where was allegedly directing operations, would you announce it?

A. Of course not.

Q. So why would you announce that you had recovered a boatload of computerized data from a guy like bin Laden?

A. Because you didn’t, but wanted everyone to think that you had.

SlimyBill on May 4, 2011 at 2:25 PM

he’d been holed up in that fortress cum “mansion” for 6 years with no land line or internet connection – so he was dependent on trusted couriers for news of the organization he’d founded and had little ability to influence the day to day operations of al Qaeda.


But he had a dedicated fiber optic cable for direct point-to-point internet access.
According to this article, he was very much involved in Al Qaeda operations.

ProfessorMiao on May 4, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Well, when it comes to be more valuable dead than alive, I do believe Elvis has vividly answered that question.

pilamaye on May 4, 2011 at 2:27 PM

Dr. Zero’s take:

Morale and Terror How great a victory is bin Laden’s death? by John Hayward

Al-Qaeda is not a conventional military enemy. We won’t beat them by routing their troops from the field, and chasing them into the tall grass. We don’t have to demoralize every single terrorist operative. Frankly, most of them are both stupid and disposable.

We win by demoralizing the leadership. They’re not disposable. They certainly don’t see themselves that way, but it’s objectively true.

It takes a good deal of time for a sharp low-level operative to matriculate through those levels of paranoia and become a terrorist officer. If promotion becomes more rapid and careless, the organization is soon infiltrated by intelligence operatives.

It may not be much harder for al-Qaeda to recruit new operatives today. Maybe it’s even a little easier, as they prey upon gullible chumps enraged by the great Sheikh bin Laden’s assassination. However, it just became harder to recruit leaders. That’s one of the reasons our victory in Abottabad is so important.

Insert witty screen name here on May 4, 2011 at 2:30 PM

a dedicated fiber-optic cable used for point-to-point access to the Internet

How would anyone determine the purpose of a “fiber” cable in that short amount of time?

And ummmm, what the heck is “point-to-point access to the Internet” anyway?

SlimyBill on May 4, 2011 at 2:31 PM

Jeff Dunham answers that question, well, methinks :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go&feature=related

pambi on May 4, 2011 at 2:32 PM

The question is “value,” not convenience. It certainly is more convenient that he’s dead as it avoids the lefty hand-wringing about how he’s being treated, whether he should get the death penalty and so forth. But as far as the GWOT is concerned, he was definitely more valuable alive for the information and insight he could have provided.

I personally believe all this sending “powerful and important messages” stuff is cr@p. We’re dealing with folks that believe such idiocy that Jews eat babies for Passover, that birds of prey are actually Zionist spies and that the Israelis programmed sharks to attack people at Sharm-al Sheikh; do you really believe they will “get the message” and then behave accordingly? If so, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale…

rcpjr on May 4, 2011 at 2:34 PM

Doubt OBL could get life insurance. No pay day for multiple wives.

BHO Jonestown on May 4, 2011 at 2:34 PM

No question that he is more valuable dead. For centuries, putting severed heads on poles — and even public crucifixions — served as a warning to others to stay in line. Vlad the Impaler (aka “Dracula”)even perfected a way to display enemies on a sort of vertical spit, so they would live for days. Makes waterboarding look like a smarmy Nancy Pelosi tongue bath.

VastRightWingConspirator on May 4, 2011 at 2:35 PM

I think the question should be is he better off alive or captured. He was alive for 10 years and from what I can see gave us nothing. Dead is dead. It’s a real stupid question, one which makes me think that the author couldn’t think of anything else to write about today.

Monkei on May 4, 2011 at 2:35 PM

And ummmm, what the heck is “point-to-point access to the Internet” anyway?

SlimyBill on May 4, 2011 at 2:31 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point-to-Point_Protocol

pedestrian on May 4, 2011 at 2:35 PM

and if some radical Muslims use UBL’s death as a pretext to take up arms, we’ll kill them, too.

Bullets solve a lot of complicated questions. If we’d captured him alive? Terrorists would be taking hostages to trade for him. We’d have to decide where to keep him. Would Obama send him to a black ops site? Everyone knows we have him, so that’s not a good option.

Keep him at Bagram? There was just a major prison break there. Send him to GITMO? That’d be a tough pill for the WH to swallow. Put him on trial? That gives him a giant megaphone to spread his doctrine of hate.

hawksruleva on May 4, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Q. If you recovered a boatload of computerized data from a guy like bin Laden, from a “compound” where was allegedly directing operations, would you announce it?

A. Of course not.

Q. So why would you announce that you had recovered a boatload of computerized data from a guy like bin Laden?

A. Because you didn’t, but wanted everyone to think that you had.

SlimyBill on May 4, 2011 at 2:25 PM

That makes a whole lot of sense. But our current administration probably didn’t think of that.

hawksruleva on May 4, 2011 at 2:41 PM

Makes waterboarding look like a smarmy Nancy Pelosi tongue bath.

VastRightWingConspirator on May 4, 2011 at 2:35 PM

Ugh.

That is a mental image I didn’t need.

Bruno Strozek on May 4, 2011 at 2:52 PM

Q. If you recovered a boatload of computerized data from a guy like bin Laden, from a “compound” where was allegedly directing operations, would you announce it?

A. Of course not.

Q. So why would you announce that you had recovered a boatload of computerized data from a guy like bin Laden

Well, if you had an ego as big as the universe and you thought it would win an election for you, sure you would.

Remember, this administration cares little about or knows how to run a war. If it’s good PR, do it.

Vince on May 4, 2011 at 2:52 PM

One Blackhawk helicopter… $5.9 million.

Two machine gun bullets… 50 cents.

A fairly clean white sheet… $10.95.

One hundred eighty pounds of fish food… priceless.

Lily on May 4, 2011 at 2:57 PM

OBAMA: Voting “PRESENT” on OBL Kill Order?

Mutnodjmet on May 4, 2011 at 2:27 PM

Why take a risk if you can get other people to willingly take the risk for you?

Shrewed man, this president. Maybe not wise, but certainly shrewed.

Lawrence on May 4, 2011 at 2:57 PM

Our killing of Osama is more valuable than Osama being either dead or alive. Our survival depends on our ability to fight enemies who wish to destroy us. We have a decadent left is unable to recognize an enemy besides Sarah Palin. This is an old story. In the 1930′s, the French Left pressured the government to reduce military spending, while the Nazis were arming Germany. It worked out horribly for the French. It’s why we must fight with every breath against pacifism if we care to survive, because sometime we must kill the enemies who will never let us live in peace. The satisfaction many felt in the death of Obama was more than joy at the elimination of an evil. We showed to ourselves that we do have the will to kill enemies. We kill them out of love for ourselves, our families, and our friends. Admittedly, chanting USA over Osama’s death made me uncomfortable, but I’m reserved about such things. I did allow myself a moment of silent satisfaction and moved on.

thuja on May 4, 2011 at 3:00 PM

At least UBL’s future dialysis treatments aren’t on our dime.

marybel on May 4, 2011 at 3:06 PM

“Show photo as warning to others seeking America’s destruction. No pussy-footing around, no politicking, no drama;it’s part of the mission”

-SP

unseen on May 4, 2011 at 3:09 PM

One Blackhawk helicopter… $5.9 million.

Lily on May 4, 2011 at 2:57 PM

I say double the price.

Shy Guy on May 4, 2011 at 3:10 PM

Your question is really neither here or there.

UBL the SOB is dead, and good riddance.

I for one do not care about the million “What if?”

Gothguy on May 4, 2011 at 3:13 PM

As we all know, he’d been holed up in that fortress cum “mansion” for 6 years with no land line or internet connection

The poor dear only had a fiber internet connection.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/3/how-bin-laden-led-operations/?page=2

burt on May 4, 2011 at 3:21 PM

He’s obviously worth more dead to Obama. Or so he thinks.

NJ Red on May 4, 2011 at 3:21 PM

Had we captured him alive, there would probably already be dozens of hostages being held with a demand to release bin Laden. Better dead.

crosspatch on May 4, 2011 at 3:23 PM

Can you imagine a live Osama?

1 Eric Holder would want the trial in downtown Manhattan where OBL can take daily psychological victory laps.
2 The UN would say OBL was treated ‘cruelly” by his captors and they would demand an International Red Cross inspection.
3 Tales of “persecution” and “mistreatment” of OBL in confinement would circulate daily creating riots and embassy burnings in all Muslim countries.
4 Obama would “apologize”to the Muslim world for unkind ‘NY Post’ headlines about OBL and key members of the ‘NY Post’ staff would receive IRS audits.
5 A liberal school teacher on the civilian jury (Holders orders) would find OBL “not guilty” leading to a hung jury and months more publicity in a second trial.
6 CAIR would state that OBL was “physically abused” during his capture and demand charges be filed against the Navy Seals “criminal’s”.
7 Sen Harry Reid would back up CAIR and demand criminal trials for the Seals.
8 BOOM!! There goes Manhattan’s City Hall.
9 In the second trial, another liberal teacher persuades the other 11 jurors to go her way and OBL walks. Later OBL lawyers up and sues the City of New York, the US Government and the US Armed Forces for false imprisonment, harassment,personal injury and mental anguish. AND WINS!!!

MaiDee on May 4, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Long time since he got this kind of phone call, but we were right.

michaelo on May 4, 2011 at 3:35 PM

This statement makes no sense. Author assumes all sorts of information without support and then says because of the unproven assumptions…X is correct plan. BS. If we could have taken him alive we should have. We did not need to announce it until after a period of interrogation and then a fair one day trial and then an immediate execution. We executed a guy that was unarmed and in our possession. That was not only un American it was stupid

georgealbert on May 4, 2011 at 3:35 PM

Q. If you recovered a boatload of computerized data from a guy like bin Laden, from a “compound” where was allegedly directing operations, would you announce it?

A. Of course not.

Q. So why would you announce that you had recovered a boatload of computerized data from a guy like bin Laden

To put a scare into the hearts of every AQ sleeper group so that they expose themselves by changing their patterns or trying touch base with their handlers. Why wouldn’t we tell them that we got reams of data on them? Maybe we’re lying, maybe we aren’t. But every AQ group out there is now wondering what information we might have on them, whether they should move, whether they should break radio silence, etc. Next time they go to buy arms from their weapons dealers they will be wondering if America is there waiting. Or maybe we got financial records that we’re untangling right now that will lead to their bank accounts. Every part of their lives and how they conduct business is insecure. That pressure can create slip-ups and alterations in behavior that get noticed, and as this operation shows, the smallest mistakes can provide breakthrough leads.

Lawdawg86 on May 4, 2011 at 3:37 PM

How about capture/kill OBL and KEEP IT SECRET?

Just imagine if all those connected with binLaden had thought he was still alive and the US used the time to round up and disrupt the rest of the operation.

Obama blew it by turning it into a horse-and-pony gloat session about Obama.

albill on May 4, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, the U.S. government insider (Office of Combat Terrorism was created for Pieczenik to head) reiterated last week what the US Intelligence community knew after Osama Bin Laden was hospitalized after 9/11, that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001. Dr. Pieczenik was the model for Tom Clancy’s character Jack Ryan in Patriot Games. Pieczenik has fundamental organizing the Navy Seals as their entity is recognized today within the intelligence community. He has served within five presidential administrations beginning with Carter in major Cabinet positions.

The value of any propaganda story relies upon the public reception.

Given that Obama embodies deceit, no intelligent person would readily accept any story from Obama at face value, particularly as the story perpetually mutates even before release but especially point by point after release.

That Obama might speak well does not mean that Obama speaks truthfully. That Obama might say what you want to hear does not make what Obama says truthful. Style does not necessarily equate to substance. So far as truth is concerned, total substance has an empirical value when undergoing scientific scrutiny. Whereas, the value of a stylish facade can be seen covering all manner of corruption, as with the whitewashed sepulcher.

That Osama Bin Laden is dead is a given.

One question an observant person asks regards the timing of the news. When to release the news to glean the most value in a desired direction?

Another question one should ask regards the use of a news release as a distraction from reality. For instance, the US Dollar is falling and only has imagined value. If you want to ask what is more valuable, news of Bin Laden or economic news, go figure. That Bin Laden’s been dead for so many years only makes Americans who are consumed with Obama’s whole cloth news releases even bigger suckers than they are willing to admit. Hence their antagonism towards the discomfort of honest skepticism.

A final question one should be wary of regards this administrations’ incessant beating of war drums, here, there, everywhere. Don’t forget that Pakistan’s Army responded to aid the rescue of our Marines whom Clinton ordered into action only to leave abandoned in the Somalian “Peace-Keeping” episode known popularly as “Black Hawk Down”. And bear in mind that our CIA is working within Pakistan’s Intelligence Community. It isn’t as if the CIA were ignorant as the story is being told. And that doesn’t even scratch the surface of Bin Laden’s early identity as a CIA operative. The world seems to have forgotten that there were (and remain) many Bin Laden look-alike front men. The most likely scenario is that a look-alike CIA operative was terminated in order to hike up Obama’s ratings in polls AND in such a location as to convince the unsuspecting and gullible American public to hate Pakistan and prepare to accept the US War against Pakistan that Obama officially began with this caper performed by masked, unknown identities given heroic status if Navy Seals. We are all being played, only some know it and abstain from enabling the fabricators of propagation, while others revel with intoxicating group think directed towards instigating a hop-scotch misdirected war, this time against Pakistan, another US ally. Pakistan’s Army is no push-over, and Pakistan has nuclear arms. THIS exposes Obama’s infamous foreign diplomacy in all of its naked corruption. And Americans aren’t the only ones thinking WTF! (Der Spiegel) Obama’s precious “international community” are not impressed in his favor, au contraire.

maverick muse on May 4, 2011 at 3:46 PM

What’s more valuable? A turd that still up the shoot, or laid? And in that vein, at least we know OBL (turd) was a sinker, not a floater.

44Magnum on May 4, 2011 at 3:46 PM

Headlines from an Alternate Universe …

USAMA CAPTURED ALIVE!

1. RED CROSS demands to see UBL!!

2. UBL Receives Legal Counsel

3. Will UBL be Waterboarded? Administration says NO

4. UN To Take Up Resolution Declaring US “Outlaw Nation” for Violating Pak Sovereignty!

5. ACLU Files Petition with Justice Department over unlawful detention of UBL!

6. Terror Attacks Spike as Al Quaida Demand Release of UBL!!

7. ALLEGATION – Did US Troops at GIMO burn UBL’s Koran?

8. Muslim World on FIRE after new UBL detention photos are released!!

9. Six Americans taken Hostage by Al Quaida – AQ demands UBL Release or Americans will be Killed!

10. UN DEMANDS UBL be tried in World Court!!

Alright kiddies … enough of that. UBL may not be “worth” more to us Dead than Alive – but he’s a damn sight less expensive to us at Room Temperature. If you’ve witnessed how much Obama has totally hosed the messaging of his death in only three days – can you imagine the unforced errors if UBL were in indefinite retention? Do you really trust that Obama wouldn’t have handed the guy over to the World Court for trial? Do you really trust that Obama would have handled all the flack from the detention in a manner that maintained American HONOR and reiterated to the World that we aren’t a nation to be trifled with?

Seriously – anyone advocating that UBL should have been taken alive is in a fantasy-land. We not only owe the SEALS a debt of gratitude for disposing of a very bad man – we owe them our gratitude for ensuring that we all didn’t end up looking like fools after Obama and Eric Holder and the ALCU and whoever else finished screwing up UBL’s detention.

He’s gone … Peace to his Ashes.

Let’s move on.

HondaV65 on May 4, 2011 at 3:48 PM

I have another question rolling around in my head.

If Osama bin Laden has been in Pakistan all this time. Why did we increase the focus on Afganistan so much? Maybe when the leads in Afganistan dried up… and they had to dry up, since he wasn’t there… Bush allowed the normal slow down. We had no actual target, only some peace keeping functions.

So when there was obviously no new leads in Afganistan why did Obama think we needed to build up there? Has is only been nation building in Afganistan? Or have we had an enemy we could beat? There certainly couldn’t have been any new leads on where bin Laden was.

I know the Taliban. But we went in there because the Taliban wouldn’t turn over bin Laden and for years they have said “we don’t have him” and it turns out they didn’t have him.

So we ran bin Laden out of Afganstan long ago.

I don’t know any real answers… I’m just thinking out loud. I support the efforts of our military to do the right thing… but I am wondering why Afganistan was the only worthy war when our reason for going in there was accomplished 6 years ago.

In retrospect it seems like Bush was right to back off Afganistan. But since we didn’t know for sure we couldn’t leave.

petunia on May 4, 2011 at 3:53 PM

Worth a smile :)

Shy Guy on May 4, 2011 at 3:56 PM

petunia on May 4, 2011 at 3:53 PM

The troops in Afghanistan aren’t there to locate UBL.

They are there for the same reasons we sent them in the first place …

They are there to ensure that Afghanistan doesn’t become a terrorist training ground for AQ.

The Taliban harbored AQ for years – they’re still allied with them.

If we leave Afghanistan – then the Taliban take over again. This means – AQ moves back in and establishes Terror Training Camps.

My personal opinion is … we need to leave Afghanistan and allow the Tally’s to take over – and let them do their own “nation building” – which will be a lot for them to handle. Then WE become the guerillas – killing them in the open in quick insertion / extraction strikes. Of course – any AQ that reenter the country we take them out immediately. So – in my strategy – it wouldn’t be an “end” to the conflict – only a shifting of strategy into something more favorable to us.

But – we cannot allow AQ to use Afghanistan as a Terror Training Ground again. So we will be fighting the Tally’s until we kill them all – or we eliminate the threat of AQ and radical islamofascism.

HondaV65 on May 4, 2011 at 4:01 PM

He was more valuable alive — for a while. One major weakness of the “informal” type of command and control structure al qaida uses is that it’s really easy to feed it disinformation. And as long as Osama kept his head down, that should have worked pretty well.

But ten years is more than long enough. Good riddance. Still, killing one out of thousands of murderer accomplishes little. What’s important right now is blowing the Pakistan terrorist movement wide open, and cleaning up the rest of the organization before any one of a dozen second-stringers takes over.

logis on May 4, 2011 at 4:02 PM

Bin Laden didn’t simply suffer from failing kidneys in 2001. When he entered the hospital after 9/11 he was already in the final stage of Marfan Syndrome experiencing aortic rupture, FATAL heart failure. Patients with the spectrum of Marfan Syndrome symptoms must avoid stress in order to survive. The CIA observed Bin Laden’s hospitalization when he died years ago according to Madeleine Albright, Theresa Heinz-Kerry, Walter Cronkite, and Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, et al.

One thing that both Bush presidents can say for themselves is that they could chest their hand at cards well, unlike the current CinC who makes out everything to be all about himself. Well, when Obama stands in front of the gaping hole at ground zero, let him take credit for that pain if he so chooses by his parade on sacred ground, not rebuilt, no plan in action despite the billions of US taxes squandered on international bankers instead of the US shovel ready projects.

maverick muse on May 4, 2011 at 4:06 PM

Well,in the Jihady world,like Hesbollah and Hamas,
they treat Isreali bodies as trophies,and seem to
get more leverage out of one’s that have passed,I
would imagine,using their ‘Mindset’,OBL,would of
been,the ‘Holy Grail’,in a bargaining chip!!

Jus sayin!

canopfor on May 4, 2011 at 4:10 PM

Worthless, dead or alive.

Hopefully now being chewed to shreds by jewfish in the Arabian Sea.

profitsbeard on May 4, 2011 at 4:12 PM

And on Ground Zero, no tax funds should be applied towards the private property enterprise of the World Trade Center. They already all were bailed out awarded over a million dollars each with tax funds under GWBush. That elitism was twisted.

maverick muse on May 4, 2011 at 4:14 PM

profitsbeard on May 4, 2011 at 4:12 PM

Touché!

maverick muse on May 4, 2011 at 4:16 PM

HondaV65 on May 4, 2011 at 4:01 PM

I honestly don’t know what is up.

I know that the training ground arguement is an important one although I see no way it can be possilbe to keep every rural place in the world from becoming one.

They discovered a terrorist training ground in Oregon! There are thousands and thousands of square miles that could be training grounds… and maybe like running bin Laden out of Afganistan we have also pushed the training grounds to other places.

While we are waging war with the Taliban, the Muslim Brotherhood is taking over other places. They are nearly the same.

I am starting to wonder what our national interst is in the middle East at all, except to protect Israel, and oil.

We could spend the money we spend now on the middle east, developing our own oil including shale oil. Also, our engines more effecient, which it the only real progress I see in cutting back our oil needs, all the “green” energy is more expensive than it is worth.

We need refineries… jobs? We could do a lot of rebuilding the economy by starting to refine oil…

I’m just working out what I think the post bin Laden world looks like.

Of course we have to stop terrorist training where we can… but maybe it needs to be more ad hoc and less specific country focused.

We already have declared war on terrorists and said if you harbor them we come and get them… so let’s just go get them occasionally.

You know how Trump thinks we can just walk into Iraq and take the oil… if we are going to take anyone’s oil why not Venezuela’s or Brazil’s… Of course I don’t really mean take it, but they drill in our territory…

petunia on May 4, 2011 at 4:23 PM

And ummmm, what the heck is “point-to-point access to the Internet” anyway?

A “point-to-point” connection is a dedicated access circuit, such as a T1 circuit. But more importantly, it means that there is another point … the termination point at the other end of the cable. Where was the other end? That is what I would want to know.

crosspatch on May 4, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Better alive under the first term Bush – taken to a rendition site and weatherboard until he coughs up everything he knows about his evil organization. Better dead than alive under The 16 Hour Man who had no choice but to order that he be killed, whether he was armed or not, as the alternative of being mirandized and held at Club Gitmo would have been too much, even for his moronic supporters.

Basilsbest on May 4, 2011 at 4:53 PM

weatherboard?

Basilsbest on May 4, 2011 at 5:26 PM

However, I’ve personally concluded that there is (and was) more value in his death than if we’d taken him alive.

You’re wrong.

I could leave it at that. Know what there would be more value in? Taking him alive, finding out what he knows, and then revealing his fate after the value of his intel is played out. Instead, we either issued “capture or kill” orders or “kill only” orders, depending on whom you believe; he was either armed or unarmed, depending on which day the administration talks about it; he was either cut off from communication or had point-to-point fiber optic lines in the compound, depending on what report you read; he was either incognito or under the protection of ISI depending on who you believe… so who do you believe?

Wouldn’t it be best to find out what the guy knows than to splatter what the guy knows on the wall behind him? Can you really not see this?

I ask you, HOW DO YOU KNOW he didn’t have intel on a pending attack? Wouldn’t the CIA want to find out what he DID know? When you already have boots on the ground, capture isn’t much more difficult than killing if handled properly, and DEVGRU is more than capable of handling it properly.

Either he was executed, potentially wasting the intelligence coup of the century, or he was taken alive and is having some pleasant conversations with some nice young gentlemen in a room with no windows.

I hope it’s the latter; if it’s the former, then Obama will ultimately be responsible for squandering the intel opportunity. All we know for sure is that the initial story was bullcrap, since they’ve already modified it multiple times.

Beo on May 4, 2011 at 5:32 PM

Plueeeeeeze……

OBL was a goldmine if only for the fact that he could provide names date and places of GOVERNMENTS and their Officials THAT WERE IN BEAD WITH AQ

of course now that OBL is dead those Government mucky mucks can sleep tight both abroad and here.

TAKING OBL ALIVE WASN’T EVEN A CONSIDERATION…. WONDER WHY?

roflmao

donabernathy on May 4, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Check out the space-age helicopter in photo 4, right out of the Jetsons. I understand why we (partially) blew it up, if the technology inside matches the exterior.

BCrago66 on May 4, 2011 at 6:44 PM