Bin Laden’s daughter: He was taken alive, then shot in front of the family; Update: Three of four guards were also unarmed
posted at 7:25 pm on May 4, 2011 by Allahpundit
Interesting, although do note that her words are being relayed by our very good friends in Pakistani intelligence, who now have her in custody.
You don’t suppose they’d concoct a story about U.S. troops executing a prisoner in order to make Bin Laden more sympathetic to the Arab masses and to punish the U.S. for humiliating Pakistan with its secret raid, do you?
Senior Pakistani security officials said Osama bin Laden’s daughter had confirmed her father was captured alive and shot dead by the US Special Forces during the first few minutes of the operation carried out at the huge compound in Bilal Town, Abbottabad…
The official said a 12-year-old daughter of bin Laden was among the six children rescued from the three-storey compound.
The daughter has reportedly told her Pakistani investigators that the US forces captured her father alive but shot him dead in front of family members.
According to sources, Bin Laden was staying on the ground floor of the house and was dragged on the floor to the helicopter after being shot dead by US commandos.
Any corroborating evidence of this? Well, despite lip service from the likes of John Brennan about how the SEALs were prepared to take prisoners, a senior U.S. official told National Journal that it was made clear to them not to take Bin Laden alive. Ben Smith’s also noticed a couple of rhetorical quirks in Obama’s descriptions of the raid, first when he said “after a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden” and later when he referred to “the capture and death of Osama bin Laden.” The former, I think, is an accurate account of what we already know. First there was a firefight downstairs with Bin Laden’s goons, then they went upstairs and shot him. He did “resist” somehow, allegedly, but he was unarmed and thus wasn’t part of the firefight. The “capture and death” phrase is a bit more intriguing, though. I suppose you can read that as simply meaning that they killed him and then took the body, but it’s an odd way to put it.
Just one question. How would the SEALs have felt safe in approaching Bin Laden to take him prisoner, not knowing what sort of booby traps might be on him or in the house? You’d have to believe that he put his hands up the entire time, intent on surrendering, which I find hard to imagine. Although, ironically, it would have been the smart play: He wouldn’t have been tortured and he would have been guaranteed a soapbox during his trial at Gitmo or in federal court to help restore his celebrity. There was nothing else he could do to stop the SEALs when they were at the door, so why not give up and cause the Great Satan the mother of all legal headaches? And yet … I just can’t see it. He probably assumed, perhaps correctly, that the SEALs were going to take him down no matter what, so when they were finally face to face, his instinct would be to “resist” however feebly. And once he did, given the fear of booby traps, they had to shoot. No way to square that with the daughter’s story. Alternately, if you’re intent on some sort of cover-up narrative here, the likelier scenario is that Osama shot himself in the head or had one of his guards do it at some point after the SEALs arrived. There were only four or five men there with him, apparently. Once his team was overrun, there was only one way out. Assuming descriptions of his wound are accurate, though, it’d be strange for someone to shoot himself in the head above the eye rather than in the temple or on the side. Not so strange, though, if one of the couriers did it for him.
According to Rasmussen, fully 86 percent of the public approves of the decision to kill Bin Laden. Just 14 percent think the SEALs should have tried harder to capture him. I think The One’s going to be okay on this one, even if the daughter’s telling the truth. Exit question: Is the Dalai Lama among those 86 percent?
Update: The plot’s so thick now you’d need a chainsaw to cut it! From NBC:
3 of 4 men killed in assault on bin Laden compound were unarmed, never fired shot, officials tell NBC News
Why would the world’s most wanted man be living in an almost undefended compound? More thoughts on that in a later post.
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Stay on that story and do not let up. Send what you find to Ed/Allah but you should also share with other new media such as Brietbart, Weasel Zippers.
Key West Reader on May 4, 2011 at 8:48 PM
“Good news, kid. The DNA tests show that bin Laden wasn’t your real dad.”
justltl on May 4, 2011 at 8:49 PM
One story said Biden had his rosary beads.
Cindy Munford on May 4, 2011 at 7:58 PM
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upinak on May 4, 2011 at 8:00 PM
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We know the truth. Rest with it.
Key West Reader on May 4, 2011 at 8:45 PM
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Ladies,okay,GaffeBiden’s gonads are the size of rosary beads,shall we move on!(Yes,I’m really,really full of
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canopfor on May 4, 2011 at 8:50 PM
It took 20 SEALs 20 minutes to take out one shooter?
ProfessorMiao on May 4, 2011 at 8:50 PM
Where are the links for how long the firefight lasted?
20 minutes, 1 guy shooting, no SEALS hurt?
5 minutes?
MayBee on May 4, 2011 at 8:51 PM
They shoulda offed the whole family.
infidel4life on May 4, 2011 at 8:51 PM
We don’t hate her. We just aren’t going to be guilt tripped into feeling sorry that we killed the SOB. Given who her father is we will probably be dealing with her in the future as well.
sharrukin on May 4, 2011 at 8:51 PM
Remember ‘fog of war’: they also had a chopper that had to be demolished, had to ensure that the remaining two could get everyone out, had to defend those choppers, had to quarter and search the place… 20 minutes can pass by really fast when you are on a semi-covert mission in the middle of the night and that sort of stuff is going on.
ajacksonian on May 4, 2011 at 8:52 PM
The problem is that every hour more inconsistencies in the White House account(s) emerge. And that gives these alternate stories greater traction.
ProfessorMiao on May 4, 2011 at 8:53 PM
If she does, that will be her decision. Until then, we don’t kill people who haven’t yet decided to be murderous bastards.
Count to 10 on May 4, 2011 at 8:55 PM
Hey, that was probably what the big explosion that tweeter heard.
Count to 10 on May 4, 2011 at 8:56 PM
Sheesh guys, I smiled when I heard the news and again when I saw the pictures of Osama’s dead (adult) son. But this is a 12-year-old girl. She can’t help who her father is. We really don’t need to hate on her, even if she is being used.
Fortunata on May 4, 2011 at 8:48 PM
Hate to tell you this, but every one should have been killed. The “kids” are going to grow up and we will be doing this dance again in 15-20 years.
ColdWarrior57 on May 4, 2011 at 8:57 PM
Tell that to the population of Hiroshima, or Hamburg.
sharrukin on May 4, 2011 at 8:57 PM
Yeah, you’re evil too. Have you thought about poor Jill?
Key West Reader on May 4, 2011 at 8:58 PM
Look at that comment above about offing the whole family. I’m very proud that our (your?) guys took out the combatants with surgical precision, only injuring his wife and leaving the kids alone. I heard a rumor that one of the SEALs actually covered one of Bin Laden’s sprog’s eyes. Beautiful, and noble if true.
Fortunata on May 4, 2011 at 8:58 PM
You have to figure 2-3 minutes to count noses after the copter was pronounced unable to leave, then get a fast demo team together, while getting the rest organized to do the quartering and searching… plus any supplies you need on the damaged copter have to be removed…
And you do another 1-2 minute headcount on the way out. I’m seeing at least 5-8 minutes in all of that, leaving 12 to do the search/quarter/find the shooter/take down Binny… and that is if everything is going spot-on PERFECT.
It went spot-on PERFECT.
These are not supermen, but some of the best and most highly trained professionals on this planet.
ajacksonian on May 4, 2011 at 8:59 PM
Collateral damage. We actually weren’t trying to kill people with either of those so much as do property damage.
Count to 10 on May 4, 2011 at 9:01 PM
And if the strike wasn’t able to be carried out by helicopter, should we have ordered a missile strike against the house that would have offed the whole family?
sharrukin on May 4, 2011 at 9:02 PM
No risk of that. OBL was allowed to slip out of Tora Bora through crass incompetence. Then Bush openly admitted that he didn’t care about OBL’s whereabouts once it became clear he couldn’t find him. He even closed down the effort to find him in 2005.
No, George Bush didn’t get OBL. President Obama did.
chumpThreads on May 4, 2011 at 9:04 PM
We did before we struck at Dresden: we dropped leaflets telling the civilian population that they were in a target area and that we couldn’t be exact in our bombing.
Mind you, this was after the Germansy had been bombing England during the Battle of Britain and they didn’t drop a single leaflet.
ajacksonian on May 4, 2011 at 9:06 PM
I think Professor Miao is asking specifically about how long the shoot out supposedly took.
MayBee on May 4, 2011 at 9:06 PM
70,000 people in Hiroshima were “collateral damage”?
You can’t be serious.
chumpThreads on May 4, 2011 at 9:07 PM
Yes. Collateral damage is acceptable to me, if there’s no other way. But targeted surgical precision leaving innocents — and at 12 years old, that’s what they are — is completely awesome. Are you thrilled that Gadhaffi’s grandchildren have been killed by a drone strike, regardless of whether we got him — and we didn’t?
Fortunata on May 4, 2011 at 9:08 PM
War is hell
darwin-t on May 4, 2011 at 9:10 PM
and yet somehow, I don’t feel any worse.
clement on May 4, 2011 at 9:10 PM
The mass bombings were targeting the civilian populations of those cities. I have read the accounts of the war and they were very up front about it.
Fighting a war of survival is a lot different than fighting one that you can lose without it being a threat to your nation.
sharrukin on May 4, 2011 at 9:10 PM
Absolutely. It’s what happens when the people standing around your target fail to get out of the blast radius.
Count to 10 on May 4, 2011 at 9:11 PM
True. The maximum amount of time can be reduced from the total time by removing logistical items: getting material from the copter that can’t leave, headcount, ID demo team, search/quarter, time to ID bodies, headcount, load up.
That doesn’t leave much time for a ‘firefight’.
Once you look at the logistics necessary for such an operation as its going on, the amount of actual combat time gets reduced very, very quickly. I expect the ‘firefight’ lasted less than 3 minutes, and probably more in the minute range as all of these guys are great shots. Just depends on the amount of cover/concealment the shooter had.
ajacksonian on May 4, 2011 at 9:12 PM
I’m going to ask again, does anyone remember so many different versions of the story when we captured Saddam?
Obama simply is not ready for primetime. Here he has what is probably the biggest event of his presidency, and he can’t help but not screw it up.
ramrants on May 4, 2011 at 9:13 PM
Yeah. I’m sure I read yesterday that the team didn’t find bin Laden until very near the end, though I also read that there were barriers in the stairway to impede people trying to get up.
Problem is it’s becoming obvious that not much if anything I’ve read is believable, so I’m really confused.
ProfessorMiao on May 4, 2011 at 9:13 PM
Let me see… There was a firefight. There wasn’t a firefight. Osama’ daughter says he was captured alive and shot dead. Osama was armed. No he wasn’t. The team was supposed to take him alive if possible. No, it was always a ‘kill’ mission. No, they were going to take him alive until the chopper was shot down. No, it crashed and blew up. No, it had mechanical trouble and the team blew it up themselves. Osama lived without TV, internet or phone. No, there was clearly a big satellite dish on the building and we found a ‘treasure trove’ of media and intel. Osama hid behind a woman and she was killed. The woman was his wife. No, his wife ran at the team and got shot in the leg. No, it was some other woman downstairs. Osama’s son was killed. No, it was some other guy. Leon Panetta said a photo of Osama would be released soon. No, Obama said it won’t be released when he taped an interview to be shown on “60 Minutes” this week.
What is going on up there in Washington?! The official story changes by the hour! This is sad and embarrassing and alarm bells are going off like Hell. I’m getting a bad feeling in my stomach. At this rate the brave men who carried out their orders, on an operation they had practiced specifically for, will be facing a courts martial for denying Osama Bin Laden his rights.
But always remember, unless we are totally crazy, we can always have ful and complete trust that Obama is Natural Born American.
HalJordan on May 4, 2011 at 9:14 PM
Still, it was about destroying the infrastructure and damaging morale rather than racking up a body count.
Count to 10 on May 4, 2011 at 9:14 PM
I wish they’d get their story straight so we could stop talking about this. I almost wonder if Obama and his minions are mixing things up just so the story stays alive longer.
BTW, does anyone know what time Obama will be taking his victory lap at Ground Zero tomorrow night? I have a bad feeling he’s planning to preempt the Republican debate.
Dee2008 on May 4, 2011 at 9:14 PM
Why would the world’s most wanted man be living in an almost undefended compound?
Because he had lived there in relative safety surrounded by his best buds the ISI and a Pak army base. I’d feel safe, too.
Kissmygrits on May 4, 2011 at 9:14 PM
I have doubts as to the truth of that, but even if it were true, its not very important. No it doesn’t thrill me.
You fight to win and if you are too squeamish then it will be your own soldiers and civilians who pay the price. The restrictive ROE in Afghanistan and Iraq have shown that.
I am not interested in achieving moral superiority at the price of getting our butts kicked.
sharrukin on May 4, 2011 at 9:14 PM
The concept of Total War is that the military machine of a Nation rests upon its production capacity. Therefore when at war with industrial based societies the fastest expedient for removing the capability of a mechanized force to operate is to hit the logistics supply line. That ends at any ‘front’ but starts in the factories.
That is the brutal logic of industrialized warfare.
Read the pre-war stuff by LeMay and Liddel-Hart and you get an idea of what the military planners were expecting. The political leaders, on the other hand, still hadn’t learned anything from WWI.
ajacksonian on May 4, 2011 at 9:14 PM
I couldnt shoot a 2 year old baby because of who their parents are.. Frankly its scary people are ok with that
Magnus on May 4, 2011 at 9:15 PM
That would make sense.
Count to 10 on May 4, 2011 at 9:15 PM
This all sounds entirely reasonable (i.e., realistic) but someone in the early hours of reporting I got the impression that they had engaged in a protracted firefight. My misreading or more wrong messaging I don’t know.
ProfessorMiao on May 4, 2011 at 9:16 PM
That’s how Nazis and Arabs rationalize slaughtering Jewish babies.
ProfessorMiao on May 4, 2011 at 9:17 PM
Now they are saying there was no video feed? Is that right?
I am so sick of this story. OBL is dead.
That’s all I really care about and that the buffoon in the WH doesn’t win a 2nd term.
ORconservative on May 4, 2011 at 9:17 PM
It doesn’t look like they are having to “concock” it. Reports from Washington and the Pentagon now have switched, before they switch again, and again, and again, to him being totally unarmed. In fact, it now looks like no one there on Obama’s side fired a shot, until it again looks like they did.
HalJordan on May 4, 2011 at 9:18 PM
I wonder if the Paks took a measure of the mettle of little Bammie, looked at the mood of the nation, and decided that perhaps if OBL was eliminated they could convince the USA to leave Afghanistan. They didn’t give him up, they just didn’t give the usual notice that something was inbound.
Judging by the reaction of many of the libs and progs, they may be right.
slickwillie2001 on May 4, 2011 at 9:19 PM
No, nor me. But I’m very happy that our soldiers are actively “uncomfortable” with the idea of killing non-combatants and children, even if it puts them at greater risk. That tells me they’re the good guys.
Fortunata on May 4, 2011 at 9:20 PM
Obama’sOsama’s sideeasy mistake to make and geting easier all the time.
HalJordan on May 4, 2011 at 9:20 PM
I DO NOT CARE.
Having said that, I wish the Smart Power crowd had at least the intelligence to get their stories straight, cripes!
jnelchef on May 4, 2011 at 9:20 PM
This is close-quarters combat: it goes mind-bogglingly fast.
Whenever we hear ‘firefight’ we tend to think of places like Fallujah or Ramadi with lots of buildings, people running between them, coordinated enemy attacks, US snipers clearing out kill zones…
This is more along the lines of a major police raid with heavy weapons and crack shots involved, with a copter not going anywhere having to be destroyed and making sure eveyone gets in, gets out and can leave. Think room-to-room firefights in Berlin as the Soviets were clearing it out, each room doesn’t take that long but they sure do add up for time. And a few potshots can still be a ‘firefight’ if you are down to two helicopters and the shooter gets a lucky shot in. Then you are in a real fight, which you hoped to avoid.
ajacksonian on May 4, 2011 at 9:20 PM
The details will come out in a coherent form soon enough. What’s your hurry?
The important thing is Obama didn’t let OBL get away.
GWB did.
Now, who’s the bigger “screw up”?
chumpThreads on May 4, 2011 at 9:21 PM
“Until then, we don’t kill people who haven’t yet decided to be murderous bastards.”
Nope…usually we just abort them.
Twana on May 4, 2011 at 9:21 PM
I have read Liddel-Hart but not LeMay. Superb writer.
I just get annoyed when people try to moralize the mass slaughter of other human beings which we call war. Its almost as if they cannot argue themselves into saving their own lives.
We are more concerned about our own moral righteousness than most medieval priests were.
sharrukin on May 4, 2011 at 9:21 PM
Yes, I quoted it up thread. I also read, as you say, that reports were there was a gunfight and we got to OBL’s room about 30 minutes into the raid- after the protracted gunfight.
The timeline makes little sense.
MayBee on May 4, 2011 at 9:22 PM
That is what I had originally envisioned. But if only one of the jihadis was armed, then it wasn’t room-to-room firefights.
ProfessorMiao on May 4, 2011 at 9:24 PM
So what excuse does Yahweh have in the Bible when he ordered the wanton slaughter on non-combatant men, women, children and babies?
chumpThreads on May 4, 2011 at 9:24 PM
Maybe this will be version number 25.3a.2 of what actually happened.
HalJordan on May 4, 2011 at 9:26 PM
Somebody is lying about what happened. Video blackout for 25 minutes. Unarmed people with bullet holes in head. I want to think the SEALs were engaged in an honest battle against Osama, but I wouldn’t be shocked if they shot him in bed or something. Actually, I bet that is exactly what happened. They killed Osama while he was asleep. Because that looks bad, they won’t say. They already screwed up and left top-secret helicopter technology for everyone to see. China is copying the design as we speak.
andy85719 on May 4, 2011 at 9:27 PM
You can’t be serious with your moral relativism. 70,000 is still less than the number of lives that would have been loss on both sides had we not dropped those bombs. We did everything we could to get those people out of those areas. Let’s not forget who dropped those 2 bombs, by the way.
slug on May 4, 2011 at 9:28 PM
It only makes sense if “firefights” actually means “our guys shooting their guys”.
MayBee on May 4, 2011 at 9:28 PM
I can see it taking 30 minutes to get to bin Laden if the staircase was heavily barricaded. I can also see him being shot quickly because of that – who knows what he was doing (setting up to blow) while the team was cutting their way through the barricade.
But it’s the inconsistencies that bother me. He!!, the White House released that picture of them all staring attentively, presumably at a monitor, and now we find out they had no video feed of the actual raid?!?!? That comes off as an intentional effort to mislead.
ProfessorMiao on May 4, 2011 at 9:28 PM
Gateway Pundit links to Bookworm Room with a list of all the story changes:
The Obama Administration’s cloud of confusion explained *UPDATED*
INC on May 4, 2011 at 9:28 PM
It is a reduction process on logistical denial. It has a logical end: the most explosive you can deliver to a production center for the least cost and least exposure to your side losing lives.
Remember that the planning for the invasion of Japan was ongoing, and the Purple Hearts had already been minted for the operation. We have not run out of those Purple Hearts yet… it would have been the largest US operation EVER and would have dwarfed Iwo Jima. So would our casualties, by a factor of at least 50. The result to Japan? The Japanese military had been ordering civilians to commit suicide, en mass, to avoid capture in other operations and there are so many ‘last ditch’ rifles on the market you can still get them for a low price.
If you looked at the way the war was going, then… and with the revelation that the Japanese had already started to move some industrial plants into mountains? I shudder to think of the cost to the US, Japan and the world if we had to invade, and we were willing to pay that price. And we are still handing out the Purple Hearts to prove that resolve.
ajacksonian on May 4, 2011 at 9:29 PM
Hey chump, we’re talking about people, not G-d.
ProfessorMiao on May 4, 2011 at 9:29 PM
Bookworm Room summarizes:
INC on May 4, 2011 at 9:30 PM
And most here are against abortion so how can they be for killing babies and children on a hypothetical ?
Magnus on May 4, 2011 at 9:31 PM
Osama’s being renditioned somewhere. This is all bizarre. Who’s on first?
eaglesdontflock on May 4, 2011 at 9:32 PM
It is a quarter/secure/clear operation.
You had 20 soldiers minus those needed to guard the copters and get rid of one, and a building with a few rooms in it. Plus you are under fire. When you think of a standard suburban home and just put 8-10 people in it screaming, running around, and one guy is waving a gun around… time flies but it still takes time to make sure no one is hiding on you… and we didn’t have the luxury the Soviets had of tossing a grenade in, first due to ROE.
ajacksonian on May 4, 2011 at 9:32 PM
I agree.
The part I have trouble with when it comes to taking 30 minutes to get to Bin Laden is what Feinstein said. She said he had guns in his room. If that’s true, and we worked for 30 minutes to get to him, then he didn’t hear what was going on.
I think he would have been shot as soon as they knew it was him. I don’t think they would have cared if he was armed or what he was thinking of doing.
MayBee on May 4, 2011 at 9:32 PM
maybe they looked at the SEALs crossways or something. Bad things happen if you do that.
ted c on May 4, 2011 at 9:32 PM
What were they watching ten? A football game? Tape of the Royal Wedding? Cartoons if Biden got to pick?
HalJordan on May 4, 2011 at 9:32 PM
That is the description of a firefight: fire is exchanged between sides.
This wasn’t Verdun, you know?
ajacksonian on May 4, 2011 at 9:33 PM
Yeah. But that’s not what I said.
MayBee on May 4, 2011 at 9:35 PM
They killed Osama while he was asleep.
ROFLMAO…..yea genius. He slept all through two huge helicopters landing on his roof and courtyard….slept all through the ensuing firefight…..slept all through the screaming, weapons being fired and chaos.
Seem like it’s you who slept through grades 1-12. That is if you even went.
Twana on May 4, 2011 at 9:35 PM
You miss the point. The civilians at Hiroshima were not “collateral” (unintended or incidental to the intended outcome). The intent was to kill as many people as possible.
chumpThreads on May 4, 2011 at 9:36 PM
Genocide doesn’t become “right” simply because God does it.
chumpThreads on May 4, 2011 at 9:38 PM
I read a wartime document regarding underground engine and aircraft production. It was extensive.
The casualties for Operation Downfall (the invasion of Japan) would have been enormous and more Japanese would have died in it than in any of the bombings we carried out.
We would have dropped the bomb and more if we could have reduced our casualties by doing so. There were plans to use Anthrax and gas as well on Japan. I think they would have done that as well. We did it for ourselves and it is hypocrisy to think that we had much if any concern for the Japanese, nor should we have.
sharrukin on May 4, 2011 at 9:40 PM
Yes, the MSM and those pushing the story out had an objective to make this operation look one way… thus implied many things that actually did not happen and they are now facing up to the incredibly fast news cycle causing them whiplash.
Actually its fun to see the extremely sophisticated Left unable to understand how fast technology has made the news cycle and how fast we have changed (as individuals) in comprehending that cycle. They are living in the 1970′s with the three letter code, while everyone else is in the cyber-age…
ajacksonian on May 4, 2011 at 9:40 PM
Heck everything gets clearer with time. That’s why criminal investigators give witnesses and suspects time to go collect their thoughts before interviewing them…..
Fighton03 on May 4, 2011 at 9:40 PM
The Japanese government actually didn’t intend a sneak-attack but that is what happened due to mis-timing.
Not adhering to the GC, however, that IS that government’s fault and as they abided by no internationally recognized code of war so those trying to cast blame must cast it at the Imperial Government for behaving as they did. We still offered refuge to civilians and peace to prisoners who would give themselves up. The Imperial Government had no such compunctions.
ajacksonian on May 4, 2011 at 9:42 PM
No, the intent was to demonstrate the awesome destructive power of a previously unknown weapon in America’s possession in order to force a surrender.
Suggest you watch The Pacific if you think that civilians weren’t being killed in significant numbers before Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
ProfessorMiao on May 4, 2011 at 9:42 PM
canopfor on May 4, 2011 at 8:50 PM
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Yeah, you’re evil too. Have you thought about poor Jill?
Key West Reader on May 4, 2011 at 8:58 PM
Key West Reader:Well,I would advise,that Jill,starts ahead
of Biden,for her own good,ahem!:)
canopfor on May 4, 2011 at 9:43 PM
OBL could have been in a “safe room”, I guess. There were reports of a false wall having been built. Still don’t know why he wouldn’t have grabbed a gun if he had access to one.
MayBee on May 4, 2011 at 9:45 PM
I’m afraid I don’t follow you at all. When I said that Nazis and Muslims kill Jewish babies just because they are Jewish, you semi-quoted the Torah. I took that as an indirect accusation that Jews commit genocide.
If that isn’t what you meant, fine. If it is, take it somewhere else.
ProfessorMiao on May 4, 2011 at 9:46 PM
Hard to say what was going on… ever have to try and get to the front door during a power outage? Hard enough to remember where the flashlight got to… and Binny-boy hadn’t been in a real fight in years…
ajacksonian on May 4, 2011 at 9:48 PM
You don’t even believe in God or the Bible -so please quit.
Luckily for your boy Obama Bush waterboarded and our troops are awesome. Suck on it.
CWforFreedom on May 4, 2011 at 9:51 PM
Got love people who mock the Bible then use it as proof? Really???
CWforFreedom on May 4, 2011 at 9:52 PM
The Navy Seals probably used what Great Leader Obama taught them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3SFXQfE4kk&NR=1
HalJordan on May 4, 2011 at 9:52 PM
It is bequeathed to us by Nature and Natural Law, we are to use Moral Law to understand that this is something we should not do. To be civilized is to put negative natural rights where they can be watched over by everyone so as not to put all at peril due to the action of a single individual.
The Imperial Japanese government was not operating under any international codes of conduct for WWII: they armed civilians, had civilians commit suicide rather than be captured, and then put them into the equivalent of slave labor to dig tunnels for the government in case the main islands were invaded. No government should ever do that to their own people. And by not adhering to any understood code of warfare, they also did that to captive populations in China and Korea. What happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki was not genocide… what the Imperial Japanese government was doing to its own people WAS genocide: telling them all to die for their Emperor and the military regime.
ajacksonian on May 4, 2011 at 9:54 PM
I congratulate the President on preparing the assassination squad that entered a sovereign nation based on the
intel that was obtained under duress from people we captured years ago and held without trial. Capital punishment is grand especially without that pesky trial. All this satisfying the blood lust and need for revenge of all Americans including liberals. We did it without involving the U.N. Screw the old liberal calls for forming coalitions. He’s awesome!!
I contend that this proves it is NO TIME to cut military spending. OBL was neutered a long time ago by GW. There
are thousands more terrorists out there. How many terrorists has Obama created with this action?
It warms my heart as we know we can count on the left to fully support similar actions taken by President Palin.
I LOVE THE NEW LIBERALISM!!!!
CWforFreedom on May 4, 2011 at 9:56 PM
I am not suggesting a moral equivalence between Japan and the United States in World War Two. There was none. We were clearly better behaved than they were in every aspect of our conduct.
I am saying that it doesn’t matter. The United States only exists because another people were dispossessed of their land and sovereignty. This is something it shares in common with a great many other nations. Does that mean the US shouldn’t exist? If we had a ‘do-over’ would we, or should we choose to not establish the colonies and later Republic?
Moral preening to the point of suicide is not something I have any interest in. That, in my opinion is what is happening in the west. We read about comparisons of the celebrations at ground zero and the Muslims celebrations after 911. They see a hundred outrages by their enemies, and a single outrage by us and say we are no better than they. They take the side of those who wish to kill them and call it morality.
sharrukin on May 4, 2011 at 9:56 PM
The fault is mine. I misunderstood your point.
Sorry.
chumpThreads on May 4, 2011 at 9:58 PM
Actually, my post was off base. I appreciate your reply, though.
chumpThreads on May 4, 2011 at 9:59 PM
Why do so many of you insist on feeding the trolls?
Look at all the tangents you’ve allowed them to lead you down. Some of you are six degrees of separation from the thread’s topic.
All they’re looking for is reaction for the purposes of distraction and deflection, and too many of you are obliging them by taking the bait.
Don’t feed them, and they’ll eventually slink away on their own.
Solly on May 4, 2011 at 10:01 PM
Thank you Allahpundit for staying on this story. If you led a Kill Squad, wouldn’t the first step to be to torture or terrorize Bin Laden and his companions into giving up computer passwords, and then have them shot for resisting capture? As more inconsistent facts come out, will it get harder and harder to distinguish this Kill Squad from one of the PLO’s? I suppose I’m not in the 86% faction in the poll you cited — as more falsehoods are exposed, my faction will grow.
Mark30339 on May 4, 2011 at 10:02 PM
…if ever.
slickwillie2001 on May 4, 2011 at 10:09 PM
Only if you think killing a mass murderer and his enablers is the same as shooting and blowing up Olympic athletes, schoolchildren, teenagers in pizzerias and discos.
This is one of the dumber things I’ve read today.
ProfessorMiao on May 4, 2011 at 10:13 PM
The details will come out in a coherent form soon enough. What’s your hurry?
chumpThreads on May 4, 2011 at 9:21 PM
Obama’s lust for greatness combined with his immaturity and inexperience led him and his team to rush and make multiple false statements. Too bad this jerk president does not have your calm manner.
GaltBlvnAtty on May 4, 2011 at 10:14 PM
You, followed by Obama.
xblade on May 4, 2011 at 10:25 PM
He was calm enough to order a high-risk operation that probably would have doomed his Presidency had it failed.
But it didn’t fail, so Obama-haters like you have to find something to whine about.
bin Laden is dead! Why so serious?
chumpThreads on May 4, 2011 at 10:33 PM
Who cares?
EnochCain on May 4, 2011 at 10:43 PM
“What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound.”
http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/
sharrukin on May 4, 2011 at 10:44 PM
She should review the events of 9/11/01 for proper context.
Bullets tend to be faster than hands and feet.
Bin Laden must have forgotten to tell the guards this fact.
rukiddingme on May 4, 2011 at 10:55 PM
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