Quotes of the day

posted at 10:38 pm on May 3, 2011 by Allahpundit

“Holder, a longtime opponent of keeping the Guantanamo Bay prison open, was asked whether lawmakers could be assured that the intelligence that led to bin Laden’s killing was not the result of waterboarding and other methods used under the George W. Bush administration to extract information from inmates.

“‘There was a mosaic of sources that lead to the identification of the people’ that ultimately led to al-Qaida’s leader, Holder told the House Judiciary Committee.

“When asked if ‘any’ enhanced interrogation techniques directly led to bin Laden’s killing, Holder simply replied: ‘I do not know.’”

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[A] closer look at prisoner interrogations suggests that the harsh techniques played a small role at most in identifying Bin Laden’s trusted courier and exposing his hide-out. One detainee who apparently was subjected to some tough treatment provided a crucial description of the courier, according to current and former officials briefed on the interrogations. But two prisoners who underwent some of the harshest treatment — including Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times — repeatedly misled their interrogators about the courier’s identity…

“In 2004 … a Qaeda operative named Hassan Ghul, captured in Iraq, gave a different account of Mr. Kuwaiti, according to the American official. Mr. Ghul told interrogators that Mr. Kuwaiti was a trusted courier who was close to Bin Laden, as well as to Mr. Mohammed and to Abu Faraj al-Libi, who had become the operational chief of Al Qaeda after Mr. Mohammed’s capture.

“Mr. Kuwaiti, Mr. Ghul added, had not been seen in some time — which analysts thought was a possible indication that the courier was hiding out with Bin Laden.

“The details of Mr. Ghul’s treatment are unclear, though the C.I.A. says he was not waterboarded. The C.I.A. asked the Justice Department to authorize other harsh methods for use on him, but it is unclear which were used. One official recalled that Mr. Ghul was ‘quite cooperative,’ saying that rough treatment, if any, would have been brief.”

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“The revelation that intelligence gleaned from the CIA’s so-called black sites helped kill bin Laden was seen as vindication for many intelligence officials who have been repeatedly investigated and criticized for their involvement in a program that involved the harshest interrogation methods in U.S. history.

“‘We got beat up for it, but those efforts led to this great day,’ said Marty Martin, a retired CIA officer who for years led the hunt for bin Laden.

“Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.”

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“After Qahtani was subjected to some of the humiliating interrogations at Guantanamo that later became public, he started to cooperate and, for a while, provided a wealth of information about al-Qaida, including references to the courier in question, the U.S. official said…

“But U.S. officials stressed that none of the detainees at that point offered up the real identity of the courier. ‘All we had was the nom de guerre,’ said the U.S. official. To one counterterrorism expert who has sharply criticized the CIA’s interrogations, the failure of any of the high-value detainees to provide the identity of the courier raises fresh questions about the value of the information the agency was receiving from enhanced interrogations.

“‘They waterboarded KSM (Khaled Sheikh Mohammed) 183 times and he still didn’t give the guy up,’ said one former U.S. counterterrorism official who asked not to be identified. ‘Come on. And you want to tell me that enhanced interrogation techniques worked?’”

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“Upon taking office, Mr. Obama tried to fulfill the dreams of the antiwar left. In January 2009, he signed executive orders to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay and limit the CIA to U.S. military interrogation methods. He made it clear that al Qaeda leaders would be tried in civilian courts. And in August 2009, his attorney general, Eric Holder, launched a criminal investigation into CIA officers who had interrogated al Qaeda leaders.

“Imagine what would have happened if the Obama administration had been running things immediately following 9/11. After their ‘arrest,’ we would have read KSM and al-Libi their Miranda rights, provided them legal counsel, sent them to the U.S. for detention, and granted them all the rights provided a U.S. citizen in criminal proceedings.

“If this had happened, the CIA could not have built the intelligence mosaic that pinpointed bin Laden’s location. Without the intelligence produced by Bush policies, the SEAL helicopters would be idling their engines at their Afghanistan base even now. In the war on terror, it is easy to pull the trigger—it is hard to figure out where to aim.”

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Via Greg Hengler.

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Yep. That works all to hell.

hillbillyjim on May 4, 2011 at 1:34 AM

This administration condemned waterboarding, but is fine with double tapping a bad guy in the face. They are against the unlawful imprisonment of prisoners at Gitmo, but is fine with taking out every bad guy with drones.

Wierd. Just wierd.

Star20 on May 3, 2011 at 10:48 PM

“Wierd”? If you are a normal person who likes life, it is weird. However, to the side partial to death, which, for instance, sees little to nothing perverse about pro-abortionists who would choose to abort their fetuses rather than carry them for 9 months because they’re afraid of forming attachments to them if they were to do so, it’s par for the course. We shouldn’t be surprised by their clueless hypocrisy.

I don’t believe the ‘violence never solves anything’ Leftists in this country have ever been more disgusting than they are now for their praise of 0bamessiah’s role in OBL’s death while they are trashing GWB. They can’t go any lower. They are sick, sick, sick, twisted people who have no relationship with introspection whatsoever.

Bizarro No. 1 on May 4, 2011 at 1:36 AM

Am I the only one here that has absolutely no problem with waterboarding or other “torture” techniques against our enemies?

karenhasfreedom on May 4, 2011 at 1:32 AM

I have no problem with it!..:)

Dire Straits on May 4, 2011 at 1:36 AM

And, the point???

Gohawgs on May 4, 2011 at 1:37 AM

We need to be nice, goddamnit. Are you people nuts?

If you’re gonna slap some jihadi stupid face, at least allow him his phone call.

Heh.

On the other hand, those stairwells are a bitch.

hillbillyjim on May 4, 2011 at 1:43 AM

Weird. Weird, not wierd or any variation thereof.

W E I R D .

*with an E before an am a shame.

(the shameless hillbilly says it fux itself.

GET YOUR MINDS RIGHT, HEROES.

Buh bye!

hillbillyjim on May 4, 2011 at 1:54 AM

I just love myself when I misspell super intelligent crap such as the crap on a cracker above. What a deal.

hillbillyjim on May 4, 2011 at 1:56 AM

They pick me up when I’m feelin’ blue
(now how ’bout choo?)

hillbillyjim on May 4, 2011 at 2:19 AM

You know what’s torture? Witnessing Barry and his pals flailing around hard, trying to get their story straight. They are trying so desperately to milk this event into a big win for him personally.

Christien on May 4, 2011 at 2:26 AM

Obama strategery logic:

Waterboarding and other harsh interrogation techniques – bad.

Killing by drones with no intelligence gathering – good.

(This matches the logic of sparing the lives of convicted murderers while funding the killing of the unborn)

fred5678 on May 4, 2011 at 2:43 AM

I have no problem with it!..:)

Dire Straits on May 4, 2011 at 1:36 AM

No kidding! Most of your comments are torture!…:)

DarkCurrent on May 4, 2011 at 4:02 AM

Sorry Dire, I just couldn’t take it anymore!…:)

DarkCurrent on May 4, 2011 at 4:06 AM

Am I the only one here that has absolutely no problem with waterboarding or other “torture” techniques against our enemies?

karenhasfreedom on May 4, 2011 at 1:32 AM

No.

OmahaConservative on May 4, 2011 at 5:03 AM

HalJordan on May 4, 2011 at 5:32 AM

Well no wonder he looked po’d in that pic as Knucklehead observed in another thread.
After all, they pulled him away from golf…

OmahaConservative on May 4, 2011 at 5:52 AM

Lemme see . . . Brennan and Barbie Boxer both are on record that waterboarding did not produce any tangible results. On the other hand, Rumsfield, Panetta, Cheney and civilian ‘experts’ such as Fred Burton say it did.

Who is with Boxer and Brennan? Anybody? Anybody?

Didn’t think so.

BigAlSouth on May 4, 2011 at 6:44 AM

the fawning over dear leader continues on morning joe…they are calling him general obama, he was decisive, yada, yada, yada…the man dithered on this mission just like everything else, comes in at the 11th hour to look good for the cameras…

bleh

cmsinaz on May 4, 2011 at 7:14 AM

the fawning over dear leader continues on morning joe…they are calling him general obama, he was decisive, yada, yada, yada…the man dithered on this mission just like everything else, comes in at the 11th hour to look good for the cameras…

bleh

cmsinaz on May 4, 2011 at 7:14 AM

The left has become a soap opera where we get to see the manipulation of all the players.

tinkerthinker on May 4, 2011 at 8:05 AM

The Muslim Burial at sea did not impress a whole lot of people.

kingsjester on May 4, 2011 at 8:06 AM

tinkerthinker on May 4, 2011 at 8:05 AM

yepper

cmsinaz on May 4, 2011 at 8:16 AM

kingsjester on May 4, 2011 at 8:06 AM

indeed KJ

the dithering idiot strikes again…

cmsinaz on May 4, 2011 at 8:18 AM

Pouring water on face of terrorist – extreme TORTURE that is beneath us

Dropping drone bombs and putting Bullets through the heads of Terrorist…..perfectly acceptable.

Liberals and Paultards are idiots

jp on May 4, 2011 at 8:33 AM

This is just like their new civility policy. We shouldn’t say bad things about each other, except we’ll still be doing it and pointing a finger at you every time you do it. We’ll condemn you for finding information by harsh treatment but we’ll go shoot the sob if by chance we find him. Don’t you get it by now, the left turns logic into pretzels.

Kissmygrits on May 4, 2011 at 8:57 AM

It’s an irrelevant question. WTF cares whether the intel that led to OBL’s death was obtained by waterboarding or some other technique? The interrogation regimen created by the Bush administration was the right thing to do regardless.

Also, WTF cares who was President when we got OBL? The anti-terror program was created during the Bush administration and continued with relatively minor changes by the Obama administration. It was the United States that got bin Laden.

And finally, WTF really thinks that getting bin Laden was the goal? The Jihad is not over, folks. Other leaders will emerge — only, leaders with less talent and backing. We’ll have to get them, too. Then they’ll be replaced by others even less talented, and so forth until the enemy decides they simply cannot complete the campaign.

philwynk on May 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM

Am I the only one here that has absolutely no problem with waterboarding or other “torture” techniques against our enemies?

karenhasfreedom on May 4, 2011 at 1:32 AM

Nope. torture em all and let God sort them out.

AH_C on May 4, 2011 at 9:52 AM

This administration condemned waterboarding, but is fine with double tapping a bad guy in the face. They are against the unlawful imprisonment of prisoners at Gitmo, but is fine with taking out every bad guy with drones.

Wierd. Just wierd.

Star20 on May 3, 2011 at 10:48 PM

It’s actually totally consistent of the left, including their pro-abortion stances Bizarro above alludes to, if you think of their overriding, guiding principle as “whatever will benefit ME most at the moment” [politically or personally or whatever].

Then everything falls into place.

inviolet on May 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM

Am I the only one here that has absolutely no problem with waterboarding or other “torture” techniques against our enemies?

karenhasfreedom on May 4, 2011 at 1:32 AM

No problem here.

The comparison between “Mission accomplished” and OBL killing is apples and oranges. Bush knew it was not the end.

jodetoad on May 4, 2011 at 10:53 AM

DarkCurrent on May 4, 2011 at 4:06 AM

Excellent post! ;)

Badger40 on May 4, 2011 at 11:34 AM

HalJordan on May 4, 2011 at 5:32 AM

Let’s hope that ‘insider’ has plenty of security !
Man, it’s so damning, that I believe every word.
God help us.
I know, me bad, racist, etc, etc.

pambi on May 4, 2011 at 11:53 AM

The anti-terror program was created during the Bush administration and continued with relatively minor changes by the Obama administration. .

philwynk on May 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM

Except that now instead of waterboarding and showing pictures of bugs—which apparently scares terrorists to death–they interogate by reading from a book of rules…could be why we are seeing more “incidents” lately. Intel has their hands tied…this was all achieved on intel gathered BEFORE the rules of interrogation changed by Holder & Co….

lovingmyUSA on May 4, 2011 at 12:07 PM

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