Yep. We Got ‘em. Bin Laden at Room Temperature; Update 12 Why did the US Act Alone?

posted at 7:54 am on May 2, 2011 by Jazz Shaw

Allahpundit was hard at work until two in the morning keeping you updated on the news as it broke, so if you happened to miss that, be sure to check it out for links to most of the early resources. Some more details are beginning to filter out on the death of bin Laden, with reactions coming in from around the world. But one of the more telling responses I heard this morning came from, of all people, Peggy Noonan appearing on NBC. She said, “All other factors aside, a real monster has been removed from the face of the Earth. It’s a damn good day.

Even though Allahpundit had the video last night, here are the prepared remarks as delivered by the President last night. I’m normally the type of curmudgeon who would grouse about being kept up an extra hour past when the White House said he would address the nation, but for news like this I think I’ll give them a pass on the delay.

By way of a teaser, Ed Morrissey checked in with me and let me know that his normal column for The Week was pulled at the last minute when the editors asked him to prepare a special one on the death of OBL. When that becomes available we’ll have a summary and link for you here at Hot Air, so stay tuned.

One of the more interesting aspects of the story which has emerged overnight is precisely how long this took, when and where it started, and who was responsible. Rather than wasting our time trying to pat one administration or the other on the back, it turns out that our intelligence agents have been following the thinnest trail of bread crumbs dating back to the Bush administration in 2007. And it all began with knowing the nickname (not even the real name) of a courier who might have been running errands for the madman.

After the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, “detainees gave us information on couriers. One courier in particular had our constant attention. Detainees gave us his nom de guerre, his pseudonym, and also identified this man as one of the few couriers trusted by bin Laden.”

In 2007, the U.S. learned the man’s name.

In 2009, “we identified areas in Pakistan where the courier and his brother operated. They were very careful, reinforcing belief we were on the right track.”

In August 2010, “we found their home in Abbottabad,” not in a cave, not right along the Afghanistan border, but in an affluent suburb less than 40 miles from the capital.

In the end, it was US Navy Seals who got the job done, and they were in and out without the Pakistani government even knowing we were coming. As an old sailor myself, let me just offer up a salute and say, well done, boys. The story brings up two different aspects of my reaction which pick up on what Allahpundit was discussing last night. First, while I join the rest of the nation in celebrating, I too felt kind of strangely quiet when the news broke. It was almost anticlimactic. It’s what I wanted, and yet his death still doesn’t undo all the damage he wrought in his life and it’s not going to stop his followers. It’s a symbolic, great win for our team, but it’s not the end of the war by a long shot.

Finally, it does represent a rare moment in American society, in that you rarely see this kind of celebration over someone dying. As a people we’re simply not built that way, and we tend to react more solemnly to the passing of anyone. But in this rare case, we had identified a monster so horrendous, so very far removed from anything most of us would recognize as being “human” that people from all quarters were ready to hoist up a cold one and toast the fact that this maniac was on his way to hell at last.

Further, as carefully as some people seem to be treading around the question, I think our “allies” in Pakistan are still going to have a lot of uncomfortable questions to answer when the dust settles. But I’ll leave it to wiser heads than mine to delve into those details as the tale plays out.

Food for thought. Look for more updates to this post throughout the day if we get more details or responses of interest.

UPDATE: Over at Pajamas Media, more indications that the intel came out of Gitmo.

UPDATE 2: Why did the US act alone? They really had no choice.

“Going forward, it is essential that Pakistan continue to join us in the fight against Al Qaeda and its affiliates,” said Obama. But for its own geopolitical—and purely political—reasons Pakistan is likely to continue being as much part of the problem as part of the solution. At least after the Abbottabad shootout, it’s clear the administration isn’t kidding itself. When it got a shot at Bin Laden, it took it. No dithering. No dilatory diplomacy. Secrecy was maintained. The Pakistanis were cut out. And justice was done.

As we said… more questions for Pakistan to come.


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Agreed, but then again, doesn’t this action Obama seems so keen on taking credit for, break yet another of his promises? We can’t just go into countries as if they’re our own? I seem to recall him using words to that effect to bash our going to Iraq. Now…he has 2 under his belt. Libya and Pakisthan. Hmmmmmmmmm.

No actually that was McCain who said he would not go in to Pakistan, Obama during his run for office that he would go it alone if need be, in Pakistan. Promise made, promise kept.

Monkei on May 2, 2011 at 3:00 PM

My old ship, U.S.S. Carl Vinson CVN-70 was the first carrier to launch air strikes on Afghanistan following 9-11 and now bin Laden was buried at sea from her deck. It seems fitting in a way.

Yakko77 on May 2, 2011 at 3:00 PM

There is no way those students just showed up at the
White House last evening waving flags! Where did they
get the flags!? Were they just lying under their beds?
Or did an dem operative just happen to hand them out
to those they emailed to show up for a ralley? A ralley
at 11:00 PM.

There is no way Obama gave the okay for this unless there was political motivation benefitting him or he was pressured because keeping the knoweledge that Osama was
located for 7 months secret was coming to an end via
Wikileaks or a blogger somewhere. Regardless, he did not do the right thing for the right reasons. He NEVER has!

Look at Obama’s actions while in office; the handing out
of white lab coats to doctors at a press conference for
health care, the handing out of t-shirts at a memorial for the shooting victims in Tucson, the columns in Denver while
campaigning for the presidency in Denver….everything he has done has been all about him. This is more of the same.

Amjean on May 2, 2011 at 3:05 PM

My old ship, U.S.S. Carl Vinson CVN-70 was the first carrier to launch air strikes on Afghanistan following 9-11 and now bin Laden was buried at sea from her deck. It seems fitting in a way.

Yakko77 on May 2, 2011 at 3:00 PM

Heard on the 1MC: “Now, dump all trash clear of the fantail”

Roy Rogers on May 2, 2011 at 3:17 PM

Amjean on May 2, 2011 at 3:05 PM

I saw one student pointing at the “Thank Bush” t shirt he was wearing!

Roy Rogers on May 2, 2011 at 3:21 PM

After conferring with Code Pink, Obama gave the okay…

right2bright on May 2, 2011 at 3:38 PM

He’s a lousy President – a dead Bin Laden doesn’t change that.

RedNewEnglander on May 2, 2011 at 2:56 PM

There ya go.
Though I understand the American electorate is quite fickle & stupid.
With a year to go, I cannot think this is a saving grace for all of his ineptness.
One moment for fortitude does not erase the mountains of stupidity that came beofre, nor the mountains that are most surely to follow.

Badger40 on May 2, 2011 at 3:55 PM

Has Obama produced the long form death certificate yet?

simkeith on May 2, 2011 at 4:01 PM

With a year to go, I cannot think this is a saving grace for all of his ineptness.
One moment for fortitude does not erase the mountains of stupidity that came beofre, nor the mountains that are most surely to follow.

Badger40 on May 2, 2011 at 3:55 PM

Yepper.

ladyingray on May 2, 2011 at 4:15 PM

At least after the Abbottabad shootout, it’s clear the administration isn’t kidding itself. When it got a shot at Bin Laden, it took it. No dithering. No dilatory diplomacy. Secrecy was maintained. The Pakistanis were cut out. And justice was done.

Credit where it’s due, they handled Pakistan’s “involvement” just right, when you could easily name 100 ways to **** it up. When a President says “I will not hesitate to protect the people of the United States,” that is exactly what it’s supposed to mean.

I will be raising one to the President tonight, to his team, to the career intelligence people everywhere, and to the brave folks who carried out the plan perfectly. Bravo.

DrSteve on May 2, 2011 at 4:23 PM

Demanding proof is not a conspiracy. ,Saying you cant’ have proof is.

Where did they get the DNA sample to compare the remains with?
Are they expecting us to believe they got so close to Osama in the past that they got verified DNA from him?
There is NO way to get a DNA confimation without a verified DNA sample
And the US is claiming a 99.9 percent DNA match….that doesn’t come from comparing family DNA

LeeSeneca on May 2, 2011 at 4:25 PM

Corrected link to Business Insider story in headlines:

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-team-that-killed-bin-laden-seal-team-6-2011-5

MechEng5by5 on May 2, 2011 at 4:26 PM

Demanding proof is not a conspiracy. ,Saying you cant’ have proof is.

Where did they get the DNA sample to compare the remains with?
Are they expecting us to believe they got so close to Osama in the past that they got verified DNA from him?
There is NO way to get a DNA confimation without a verified DNA sample
And the US is claiming a 99.9 percent DNA match….that doesn’t come from comparing family DNA

LeeSeneca on May 2, 2011 at 4:25 PM

He’s got a ton of relatives out there to get DNA from (he was one of 50+ children from his father). I’m sure they matched against several, which ups the statistical odds.

jonknee on May 2, 2011 at 4:34 PM

There is no way Obama gave the okay for this unless there was political motivation benefitting him

Food and gas prices have people pissed off and that ain’t going away. Last week’s job numbers and the looming large number of people about to lose their benefits will continue to tank him.

I think the government has known where OBL was for some time and rendered him virtually useless. A non factor.

Given lib/socialist abhorrence of acting in the country’s defense I have to conclude that he’s desperate.

dogsoldier on May 2, 2011 at 4:42 PM

Osama bin Laden dead — proof that global warming kills

How come? His below average “carbon footprint” (no telephone, no internet) made is hideout stick out.

J_Crater on May 2, 2011 at 4:44 PM

He’s got a ton of relatives out there to get DNA from (he was one of 50+ children from his father). I’m sure they matched against several, which ups the statistical odds.

jonknee on May 2, 2011 at 4:34 PM

Absolutely right.

DrSteve on May 2, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Finally. Obama did the right thing in authorizing this attack the way it was done. With Pakistan government totally shut out and having the seals carry out the attack. The only blemish in it is the malfunctioning chopper. WTF? But the right thing was done about that as well. It looks like the CIA finally came through for us as well in the diligence following this lead.

I love how we disposed of his corpse too. Dumping at sea. I hope they dumped it into the Mariana Trench. And I hope all his devotees make a pilgrimage to see him.

MalkinFan on May 2, 2011 at 4:56 PM

could only take 20 seconds of tingles…the fawning of dear leader is vomit inducing….

cmsinaz on May 2, 2011 at 5:01 PM

There is no way Obama gave the okay for this unless there was political motivation benefitting him

Food and gas prices have people pissed off and that ain’t going away. Last week’s job numbers and the looming large number of people about to lose their benefits will continue to tank him.

I think the government has known where OBL was for some time and rendered him virtually useless. A non factor.

Given lib/socialist abhorrence of acting in the country’s defense I have to conclude that he’s desperate.

dogsoldier on May 2, 2011 at 4:42 PM
——

wow.

beyond pathetic.

Dave Rywall on May 2, 2011 at 5:05 PM

There is no way Obama gave the okay for this unless there was political motivation benefitting him

Food and gas prices have people pissed off and that ain’t going away. Last week’s job numbers and the looming large number of people about to lose their benefits will continue to tank him.

I think the government has known where OBL was for some time and rendered him virtually useless. A non factor.

Given lib/socialist abhorrence of acting in the country’s defense I have to conclude that he’s desperate.

dogsoldier on May 2, 2011 at 4:42 PM
——

wow.

beyond pathetic.

Dave Rywall on May 2, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Er, no.

There is a montage of media talking heads today, all literally having orgasms about how this is a political windfall for Teh Won.

fossten on May 2, 2011 at 5:08 PM

fossten on May 2, 2011 at 5:08 PM

you’re not kidding….

cmsinaz on May 2, 2011 at 5:10 PM

I’m waiting for the, “He’s not dead. He’s just pining for the fjords” lede.

Blake on May 2, 2011 at 5:14 PM

beyond pathetic.

Dave Rywall on May 2, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Yes you are, but enough about you!

capejasmine on May 2, 2011 at 5:22 PM

Why did we act alone? Because we wanted a successful mission.

Grafted on May 2, 2011 at 5:33 PM

UPDATE: Over at Pajamas Media, more indications that the intel came out of Gitmo

Waterboarding worked??

Dollayo on May 2, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Thank goodness he’s dead or eric holder would want to read him his rights, and give him a trial in New York at ground zero! I would’ve soaked the bullets in pig fat and wrapped him in pig skins before I let him slip over the side of the ship.

Bambi on May 2, 2011 at 6:18 PM

Good to see the lefties believing this is a war and that political assassinations are all good.

CWforFreedom on May 2, 2011 at 6:23 PM

I heard thru the grapevine there were no rules of engagement for this operation. Can anyone confirm?

dddave on May 2, 2011 at 6:58 PM

CBS: Osama bin Laden’s death may reignite torture debate

Surprisingly a MSM outlet asks if it’s hypocritical for Obama to take credit when he was against the tactics that brought this about.

Yakko77 on May 2, 2011 at 7:09 PM

he was against the tactics that brought this about.

Yakko77 on May 2, 2011 at 7:09 PM

The fact that he totally ignored Pakistan’s sovereignty is something to behold. It has to be driving some lefties nuts.

CWforFreedom on May 2, 2011 at 7:16 PM

The fact that he totally ignored Pakistan’s sovereignty is something to behold. It has to be driving some lefties nuts.

CWforFreedom on May 2, 2011 at 7:16 PM

The leftie’s favorite Nazi stooge George Soros doesn’t believe in all that sovereignty stuff. Open Society you know. Little Bammie has no respect for our sovereignty either.

slickwillie2001 on May 2, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Final video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4UHD114z20

H/T WORM

crosspatch on May 2, 2011 at 7:42 PM

The problem is we were seeing reports of conclusive DNA match within 12 hours of the raid. As far as I know that is impossible. It generally takes 72 hours for the preliminary test to be run and two weeks for the more definitive test.

I want to know what kind of DNA test completes in 12 hours.

crosspatch on May 2, 2011 at 7:59 PM

In other news Osama bin Laden continues to be dead.

elvis on May 2, 2011 at 8:35 PM

As for that “no dithering”, how does August 2010 to May 2011 not count as dithering? Sure, they needed some time to confirm, plan, etc., but nine months? Nine months? I think Bush would have OK’d it more promptly. I suspect too much of the planning was how to show maximum respect for Islam, and when it would most favorably impact the polls. Obama’s lucky Bin Laden didn’t run off or die of old age or something first.

etaoinshrdlu on May 2, 2011 at 8:49 PM

Just dropped in to say to all you “DEATHERS” out there !!! I TOLD YOU SO !!!!!

PS I am now officially on your side ! :)

cableguy615 on May 2, 2011 at 7:55 PM

cableguy615 on May 2, 2011 at 8:53 PM

The President and the Seals are two-for-two:
Rescue of the ship captain from the pirates and offing OBL.

If either one of those missions had failed the excoriations would stretch for 10,000 comments here on HA alone.

Instead, the whining and crying by the Obama-hating yahoos is truly pathetic. And yet it adds to my enjoyment of the mission’s success.

I’m going to raise an ice-cold Bear Whiz Beer to the Seals and our Commander-in-Chief, President Barack Obama!

Don’t you just love it?

chumpThreads on May 2, 2011 at 8:59 PM

What a difference a “D” makes, no?

If Bush Had Been President

Bush: Ok, I’ll take your questions.

Press: So was Osama bin Laden and his family sleeping when they were shot, or . . . ?

Bush: No. As the press has been reporting, the Seals were fired upon when they entered the room where bin Laden was, and they returned fire, killing Obama, two of his sons and his wife.

Press: A follow-up? It seems hard to believe that none of the Seals were hit by this alleged fire from the bin Laden family. Are we to believe that bin Laden, a trained soldier, and his sons couldn’t hit a Navy Seal at a distance of what was it 10, 12 feet? Are you sure they weren’t sleeping?

Bush: They were not sleeping. As I’ve said and as has been reported, bin Laden and his sons fired, but were in a state of confusion, as our Seals had the benefit of surprise.

Press: So they were “surprised” but not sleeping–in the middle of the night?

Bush: Next question.

Press: Why wasn’t there more of an effort made to take bin Laden alive?

Bush: Well, as I’ve said a few times now, the bin Ladens fired on the Seals upon their entry into the room. The Seals returned fire in self defense, with lethal consequences.

Press: Yes, a head shot we hear. Wouldn’t shots at the legs have been sufficient to stop bin Laden, a man in his 60’s?

Bush: I’m not going to second guess the actions of soldiers under fire. Next question please.

Press: There is concern about this “burial at sea,” which supposedly was done in according with “Islamic law.” (reporter makes air quotes) In the absence of a body, how will you certify to the International Community that bin Laden wasn’t tortured?

Bush: I’m not aware of any certification process that you are alluding to. Look, it is really very simple, and I’ve been over this. The Seals entered the room, were fired on, and returned fire. There was no interrogation process.

Press: Given that you’ve waterboarded other high-value Al Qaeda targets, and certainly bin Laden would be considered a high value target, why did you make an exception in his case?

Bush: I’ve made this statement already several times. The Seals entered the room, were fired on, and returned fire. We would have liked to have taken Osama alive, but it wasn’t possible, because he and his sons opened fire. There wasn’t any time for interrogation.

Press: (crosstalk) “How long does waterboarding take?” “Only 15 or 20 minutes, I believe.”

Bush: Are there any other questions, other than these speculations about waterboarding?

Press: Well, Mr. President, without a body, and no post-mortem, there is no way for us to know, is there?

Bush: Next question.

Press: May I ask a question about the “burial at sea?” (makes airquotes)

Bush: Certainly.

Press: I’ve read in the statements released so far that the burial was done in accordance with Islamic law. But I’ve been hearing that there are many Islamic clerics who say that the burial at sea did not in any way, shape, or fashion, conform to Islamic law. Why didn’t you consult the proper Islamic authorities so that this wouldn’t have happened?

Bush: We consulted the Islamic authorities we always use in these cases, they are highly vetted, and we followed their instructions regarding burial.

Press: Mr. President, it doesn’t matter whether your administration thinks what you did was in accordance with Islamic law, what matters is whether Islamic clerics think so, and clearly they don’t.

Bush: Apparently some of the them don’t. It is not a monolithic religion; customs vary from country to country, community to community.

Press: I wasn’t aware, Mr. President that you were so well versed in Islamic traditions.

Bush: I don’t claim to be an expert, but you don’t have be an expert to know that. Did you have a question?

Helen Thomas: What was the role of the Mossad in the planning of this assassination, which I regard, by the way, as a war crime.

Bush: Uh, Helen, Mossad had nothing to do with this operation whatsoever. They’re not exactly in the same theater are they?

Helen: Oh so if they had been, then they would have been involved?

Bush: Are there any other questions?

Press: I’m still bothered, and I know some of my colleagues are as well about the fact that we don’t have a body, that can be examined to certify that there was no torture or other abuse of bin Laden. Do you have plans to allow Congress to debrief the Seal team, so that they can get a better sense of the flow of events?

Bush: The appropriate committees of Congress will receive briefings, after the Naval Command has had a chance to debrief the team themselves; they will write up a full report on the events around the death of bin Laden and his family members.

Press: Will there be any congressional hearings, will there be any point at which the Seals will be under oath, so that their answers can be considered fully reliable?

Bush: The Navy Seals are the most highly trained, highly professional unit in the entire Specials Forces. These insinuations that they have behaved in a sub-standard way are insulting in the extreme. These courageous young men have done everything we’ve asked of them, and they deserve our gratitude, not this baseless suspicion.

Press: What did you ask of them, Mr. President?

Bush: Good night, no more questions.

In the ensuing days the New York Times will be carrying headlines such as “Questions Swirl Around Seal Hit”, the WaPo’s headline says, “Lack of OBL Body Raises Torture Fears.” Two weeks later the New York Times is demanding congressional hearings. What a difference a “D” makes.

smellthecoffee on May 2, 2011 at 8:59 PM

Thank you President Obama for doing in 2yrs what Bush couldn’t or wouldn’t do to protect America,for keeping your promise to hunt down and kill Osama Bin Laden back in 2008,for cleaning up the mess Bush left you when you entered the White House, and most of all proving once and for all to the Bushies,right wing hacks,tea bagging freaks and racist pigs that form the Republican party that Democrats are tough on national security and will protect this country.

NOW your can raise the banner……
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!

Bin Laden has been killed by a Democratic president…
PRESIDENT BARRACK OBAMA

DcMike2K on May 2, 2011 at 9:12 PM

George Bush say dat Revenge come!

Revenant on May 2, 2011 at 9:56 PM

DcMike2K on May 2, 2011 at 9:12 PM

Did you write “killed?” Obama “killed” someone? Does Eric Holder know about this extra-judicial process? I demand congressional hearings right now! Congratulations on your new-found pair, DcMike. I know they’ll fall off when a Republican becomes president–you’ll be back to mewling about rendition and human rights.

smellthecoffee on May 2, 2011 at 9:58 PM

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
“My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!”
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away

gordo on May 2, 2011 at 10:58 PM

When other huge targets are taken down , there is an inevitable photo. We’re still waiting for a photo conformation of this prick’s death.

Also, why do we have to squander billions of dollars on those Pakistani pieces of s—-. The top government leaders not only knew that Bin Laden was living a life of luxury in a large, walled compound with two security gates-but they probably financed and planned it! If we’re worried about retaliation from Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal, we should remind those treacherous pigs that we have a THERMOnuclear arsenal which will make their A-bombs seem like firecrackers by comparison.

MaiDee on May 3, 2011 at 9:09 AM

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