Jackpot: U.S. finds huge amount of data on Bin Laden’s computers

posted at 9:18 pm on May 2, 2011 by Allahpundit

Would you care for some whipped cream and sprinkles on your sundae?

The assault force of Navy SEALs snatched a trove of computer drives and disks during their weekend raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound, yielding what a U.S. official called “the mother lode of intelligence.”

The special operations forces grabbed personal computers, thumb drives and electronic equipment during the lightning raid that killed bin Laden, officials told POLITICO…

Hundreds of people are going through it now,” an official said, adding that intelligence operatives back in Washington are very excited to find out what they have.

“It’s going to be great even if only 10 percent of it is actionable,” the official said.

Follow the link for tantalizing details about how the SEALs encountered Bin Laden in the compound and their reaction when they were told what the mission was. Who’s next on the hit list once we’re done analyzing the data? You guessed it:

Does bin Laden’s demise mean the death of al-Qaeda? CIA analysts won’t go that far. But they have concluded that the operation “will accelerate its demise,” and that the battered organization is now at a “tipping point” that could lead to collapse.

The hidden trophy of Sunday’s raid: The JSOC team captured intelligence materials from the compound that might reveal the location of Ayman al-Zawahiri, the organization’s new commander. “That’s where we’re going next,” says one U.S. official involved in planning the operation.

So at last, after fully a decade of wondering, we’ll have an answer to the question I asked in this post: Did Bin Laden have an actual job with Al Qaeda anymore or was he basically just being cc’d on messages and offering “spiritual encouragement”? Stories have popped up on the wires from time to time alleging that he’s still giving battlefield orders. Some that we’ve blogged were murky yet spectacular, like this one from Newsweek in 2007 alleging a power struggle between OBL and Zawahiri. More recently, in the fall of last year, U.S. officials claimed that Bin Laden had dispatched his couriers with instructions for a Mumbai-style attack in Europe or America. That report emerged in October — which we now know was after U.S. intelligence had already zeroed in on him in his Abbottabad compound. Wouldn’t surprise me if the hard drives confirm their suspicions.

According to Dianne Feinstein, he might have been living at the compound for the past six years. Six years. And somehow, supposedly, nobody knew.

Update: Was it even longer than six years? Was he there all along?

U.S. officials say detainees held at Guantanamo helped lead them to the courier.

In one early clue, according to a secret Pentagon cable made public by Wikileaks, senior Al Qaeda commander Abu al Libi told interrogators he became “the official messenger” for bin Laden and for a year in 2003 “moved his family to Abbottabad, Pakistan” — the city near Islamabad where bin Laden was killed Sunday.

Update: You know, I’m actually less interested in who Osama was talking to within Al Qaeda than who he was talking to within Pakistani intelligence. Let the probe begin:

Obama administration officials said Monday they would probe whether Pakistani authorities helped al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden stay in hiding for years, one day after he was killed by U.S. special forces at an outsize mansion complex located in the same city as Pakistan’s top military academy…

He didn’t specify which agencies of Pakistan’s government would be investigated. But privately, administration officials said the U.S. would have to probe for the possible involvement of Pakistan’s spy service and the military. “There are only so many agencies in the government that might have been involved,” said an official…

[An] ISI official acknowledged that Pakistanis are embarrassed by the raid. “It’s unfortunate, but we did not know about the people resident in that compound,” said the official. “That is a negative fallout that we have to live with.”


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“Can you imagine what’s on Osama bin Laden’s hard drive?”

Since Eric Holder was part of a Law Firm that represented Gitmo detainees…

… Oh, wait!

Seven Percent Solution on May 2, 2011 at 10:36 PM

canopfor on May 2, 2011 at 9:57 PM

The entire raid was photoshopped, so shut yer yap.
==========================================

Bishop on May 2, 2011 at 10:21 PM

Bishop:Stop it,its bring flashbacks of the photoshopping
of the Fukushima Plant Live Feed cam that still gives me
nightmares!(sarc).

And,I must be the only loony,that after the long birth
certificate soap opera,

Hopey deep sixes OBL,and in the euphoria

not one accusation as to where the body went!!

canopfor on May 2, 2011 at 10:39 PM

Btw,George Noory called the DumpOBLGate,
last night,

INSANE,and not one person,who called in,
believed that the US of A,would Davey Jones
Locker him!!

canopfor on May 2, 2011 at 10:41 PM

After bursts of fire over 40 minutes, 22 people were killed or captured.

Captured?

BallisticBob on May 2, 2011 at 10:37 PM

BallisticBob:I’m going with dumped at sea!(sarc):)

canopfor on May 2, 2011 at 10:42 PM

canopfor on May 2, 2011 at 10:41 PM

You need to go to Theo Spark site and see the picture of the 72 virgins!..:)

Dire Straits on May 2, 2011 at 10:43 PM

So, this safe house was in the middle of a military district next door to a military academy and a police station. Yet, a firefight ensued for 40 minutes and the Pakistani military didn’t react? Was it because they knew beforehand and were told to stay away, or is it because all this is a fraud occasioned by Obama trying to deflect attention away from something else?

NNtrancer on May 2, 2011 at 10:51 PM

We cant use the data because of Illegal Search and Seizure.

Also we tortured Osama, but unlike KSM, Osama did notmake it though his torture.

WE can not use the data.

Wait, that was pre-Obama being President.

WoosterOh on May 2, 2011 at 10:53 PM

Nothing is unreadable.

BacaDog on May 2, 2011 at 10:19 PM

While technically true, strong encryption exists at the actual filesystem level that would make such a drive impossible to verify that it even had a filesystem on it. I am not talking about encrypting the data in the files. I am talking about encrypting even the OS formatting information. One would not even be able to locate the directory. This would not be a Microsoft or Apple operating system but a unix variant.

crosspatch on May 2, 2011 at 10:54 PM

You’d think any sleeper cells would be extremely nervous right now and will make their move figuring they’re exposed.

Buddahpundit on May 2, 2011 at 9:33 PM

Yeah, they have been here on HA praising O’bama for almost 24 hours now.

Del Dolemonte on May 2, 2011 at 10:55 PM

While technically true, strong encryption exists at the actual filesystem level that would make such a drive impossible to verify that it even had a filesystem on it.

I’m going to guess that Obama’s hard drives are “encrypted” with a Windows login password.

HitNRun on May 2, 2011 at 10:58 PM

The assault force of Navy SEALs Commander Obama snatched a trove of computer drives and disks during their weekend raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound, yielding what a U.S. official called “the mother lode of intelligence.”

The special operations forces SEALs Commander Obama grabbed personal computers, thumb drives and electronic equipment during the lightning raid that killed bin Laden, officials told POLITICO

WoosterOh on May 2, 2011 at 11:11 PM

One guy on TV, I think Ralph Peters, guesses that Obama was a virtual prisoner at the compound. ISI was keeping him and supporting him for use when they needed him as whatever, a trading card.

Makes sense to me. From what I read of terrorist memoirs, the logistics of shelter and food and money is the key to survival of someone on the run, and police know to arrest or kill their supporters and eventually they will get the target. Osama was at the stage where he needed the ISI’s protection because most of his support were dead.

PattyJ on May 2, 2011 at 11:28 PM

One guy on TV, I think Ralph Peters, guesses that Obama was a virtual prisoner at the compound.

PattyJ on May 2, 2011 at 11:28 PM

Why did they let him out?

sharrukin on May 2, 2011 at 11:31 PM

Let him out where?

PattyJ on May 2, 2011 at 11:48 PM

Let him out where?

PattyJ on May 2, 2011 at 11:48 PM

Obama.

Why did they let him go?

(typo)

sharrukin on May 2, 2011 at 11:50 PM

I wonder what the point of telling the world we captured intel from the site was? Letting those we seek know we know who they are is probably counter productive. However if you are a narcissitic inexperienced President who is seeking reelection and does not really care about the lose of effectiveness of the intelligence gained but rather wanting the glory of making it sound like Obama the Great has done something worthwhile.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on May 2, 2011 at 11:50 PM

canopfor on May 2, 2011 at 10:41 PM

You need to go to Theo Spark site and see the picture of the 72 virgins!..:)

Dire Straits on May 2, 2011 at 10:43 PM

Dire Straits:Lol,Camel Toe overload,haha!!:)

canopfor on May 3, 2011 at 12:15 AM

canopfor on May 3, 2011 at 12:15 AM

LOL!..I thought that picture was funny!..:)

Dire Straits on May 3, 2011 at 12:16 AM

Bush doctrine says if you harbor terrorist, then you are with the terrorist. If I were Pakistan, I would be worried right about now, unless the Obama doctrine is much different.

tdavisjr on May 3, 2011 at 12:24 AM

“It’s going to be great even if only 10 percent of it is actionable,” the official said.

..in caves all over the world, there are dozens of towel heads sweating bullets.

The War Planner on May 3, 2011 at 12:25 AM

..in caves all over the world, there are dozens of towel heads sweating bullets.

The War Planner on May 3, 2011 at 12:25 AM

soon, many of them are going to be dodging them.

targeting.

ted c on May 3, 2011 at 12:28 AM

I want to give a hearty shout out to the 160th SOAR and DEVGRU and many others in the community that executed this mission. I am deeply impressed by your courage to conduct this mission, deep in Pakistani territory, and in a military containment area like Abbattabad. Risky, ballsy and just what you were made to do. Congratulations, Gentlemen, the children of the US sleep safer tonight knowing that rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

Bravo Zulu, NSDQ, and RLTW.

Strong work!!

ted c on May 3, 2011 at 12:31 AM

child porn. bet on it

unseen on May 2, 2011 at 9:26 PM

..bestiality..goat porn..

The War Planner on May 3, 2011 at 12:35 AM

Well, this particular compound wasn’t constructed until 2005 so if bin Laden were in Abbottabad in 2003, he was staying somewhere else.

Now, certainly he had to have help from someone in ISI and probably also within the Pakistani military. But that doesn’t necessarily mean the highest levels of Pakistani government or military knew about it.

And surely even with well-placed sympathizers, it was in bin Laden’s interests to keep the knowledge of his whereabouts to the smallest possible number of people. For instance, after the compound was built, probably a lower-level Qaeda functionary moved in first, perhaps for as long as a year. They would have been known at first, wanted but without a reward on their heads. They establish the pattern of staying inside, except for the couriers.

Finally, late one night Osama and his family come in and exchange places with the first occupants, and stay out of sight. Who will know? And it’s necessary with a $25 million+ bounty.

With luck, we’ll nab Zawahiri and the few remaining top leadership, and let the aspiring jihadis around the world ponder the nature of the death they think they want.

Adjoran on May 3, 2011 at 12:35 AM

And what kind of an total amateur idiot let this classified info loose!? Hang his balls out to burn right now in the hot Death Valley sun for the summer…

It would be way better if the message came out that OBL and gang destroyed their computer files via some preplanned destructive virus bomb they inflicted on their own computers… Though even then, a copy may be available thru Carbonite…

drfredc on May 3, 2011 at 12:40 AM

And what kind of an total amateur idiot let this classified info loose!? Hang his balls out to burn right now in the hot Death Valley sun for the summer…

You would have a hell of a time stringing up half the CIA.

HitNRun on May 3, 2011 at 12:45 AM

OBLs computer is a great counter-intelligence boon. Hibib got burned, who’s better to blame dead boss guy, or a trusted companion.

Slowburn on May 3, 2011 at 12:58 AM

Well, this particular compound wasn’t constructed until 2005 so if bin Laden were in Abbottabad in 2003, he was staying somewhere else.

Now, certainly he had to have help from someone in ISI and probably also within the Pakistani military. But that doesn’t necessarily mean the highest levels of Pakistani government or military knew about it.

Adjoran on May 3, 2011 at 12:35 AM

Those are interesting theories and I look forward to seeing if they pan out. It is pretty wild to think someone with a 25 million dollar reward could just hide right next to the military. Unbelievable actually, but your theories make it a bit more believable.

The Paki ambassador stated that in America we lose track of criminals all the time… that is why we have the most wanted list. And he named someone in the top ten on the list who has been lost in America for as long as Osama has been lost in Pakistan.

There is some chance of that, I guess.

petunia on May 3, 2011 at 1:16 AM

It’s not hard to imagine that there’s alot of ISI and governmental Pakistanis sweating bullets about what is on those Bin Laden computer drives we snatched. I bet people are scattering like cockroaches over there.

OxyCon on May 3, 2011 at 1:18 AM

It’s amazing what a strong Kinetic Military Action can come up with these days…

MikeknaJ on May 3, 2011 at 1:47 AM

“Can you imagine what’s on Osama bin Laden’s hard drive?”

Several hundred gigabytes of goat porn?

RINO in Name Only on May 3, 2011 at 1:55 AM

..bestiality..goat porn..
The War Planner on May 3, 2011 at 12:35 AM

Damn, beat me to it.
Must learn to read the thread before I post.

RINO in Name Only on May 3, 2011 at 1:58 AM

No point in waiting to announce the kill. There was a US Helicopter down. We flamed it out, but the Pakis recovered the wreck. Can’t imagine the jihadis wouldn’t be able to figure out a US Helicopter crashed on Bin Laden’s compound might mean we got him.

ace tomato on May 3, 2011 at 2:20 AM

I find it interesting the 22-23 people at the compound were mostly women & children of OBL. The security there was a bit lax for a guy who had the entire US military looking for him.

ISI needs an enema.

ace tomato on May 3, 2011 at 2:22 AM

No point in waiting to announce the kill. There was a US Helicopter down. We flamed it out, but the Pakis recovered the wreck. Can’t imagine the jihadis wouldn’t be able to figure out a US Helicopter crashed on Bin Laden’s compound might mean we got him.

ace tomato on May 3, 2011 at 2:20 AM

If the Paki’s claim that they didn’t know OBL was there is true, then it is possible that other jihadi cells didn’t know either and there would be only a very few people who could make the connection. And those people are not about to put out a notice saying “Hey that copter crash was right outside OBL’s super secret hideaway!”

pedestrian on May 3, 2011 at 2:31 AM

Abbottabad. Isn’t that headquarters for Dell’s tech support?

repvoter on May 3, 2011 at 5:29 AM

Find out who was supplying these jokers with arms, munitions, food, clothing and shelter.

Target THEM next and let them know that supporting a terrorist organization has its consequences.

It isn’t just the high level structure that has to go: if you want to really tear up the organization, make sure that those who support it commercially learn their lesson, too. It doesn’t have to be fatal, just let it be known that until the cost of the destruction that al Qaeda has caused the US is equal to the damage we inflict on its commercial suppliers, we will not stop going after the suppliers.

That is how piracy was finally curbed and it will work just as well with terrorism.

Make these people friendless.

Make it so no one will dare want to sell a package of crackers to them.

Bring the pain home in a real sense so that the supporters and those that look the other way will find out there are consequences to their actions.

Turn yourself and your contacts lists in to our Embassies.

Or YOU who supply al Qaeda, are NEXT.

ajacksonian on May 3, 2011 at 5:47 AM

You know what I like best about all of this? How this story has taken over the media and the hearts and minds of everybody everywhere so that I am now so happy that we finally got osama that I no longer have to stress when I pay $4.20/gal for gasoline and my grocery bill and every other bill has gone up by 15 – 30% while my income has been stagnant for the last three years and my retirement accounts tanked with the unnecessary TARP and the even more useless “stimulus”. But no worries, mate! We’ve got socialized medicine! Is this a great country or what.
/sarc /sarc /sarc

winfield on May 3, 2011 at 6:44 AM

The discovery should mean that the jig is up for Pakistan. They’ve been double dealing with us all along. Of course nothing will likely come of the knowledge (unless there is an Al-Qaeda retaliatory nuclear strike here in the U.S. or in Europe).

zoyclem on May 3, 2011 at 7:29 AM

Tell me again why they’re announcing this to terrorists around the world? To give them time to roll up their bank accounts, to move their safe houses, to disappear?

Can’t anyone keep their mouth shut any more about national security issues?

Jay Mac on May 3, 2011 at 7:31 AM

“Can you imagine what’s on Osama bin Laden’s hard drive?”

Yes I can – child pornography ( like his hero mohammad the demon possessed pedophile)

LODGE4 on May 3, 2011 at 7:31 AM

Two points:

1. I have to chuckle at the thought of all the very, very nervous Jihadis out there right now. It’s not paranoia if we’re really coming to get you. Ha. As Charlie Daniels sings: “When you look up in the sky and you see the eagle fly you better know he’s heading your way …”

Watch your backs, scumbags. Tick tock. Tick tock. Tick tock.

2. So what exactly do we do if we find out that the Pakistani government, at the highest levels, knew where he was all along?

Realistically – what do we do? What will Obama do? What would GWB have done?

Professor Blather on May 3, 2011 at 7:49 AM

he became “the official messenger” for bin Laden and for a year in 2003 “moved his family to Abbottabad, Pakistan

So, at least his general location has been known all along, as I suspected and others have said.

Do you doubt that even with a general idea of where he was that his exact location was known? Our government surely knew and didn’t go after him, precisely because he was being protected by the Pakistanis.

dogsoldier on May 3, 2011 at 7:59 AM

Tell me again why they’re announcing this to terrorists around the world? To give them time to roll up their bank accounts, to move their safe houses, to disappear?

Can’t anyone keep their mouth shut any more about national security issues?

Jay Mac on May 3, 2011 at 7:31 AM

Well first of all, let’s assume for the moment that they have infinitely more experience than you…no insult, if you have 20 or 30 years service in anti-terrorism, than my apology, however if your experience is watching CSI every week, no apology.
Sometimes it is better to announce what you are going to do, it makes the rats leave their nest. It will confirm where they are by the activity.
None of these terrorists know what information we have, just that they may be the next target so they better get a move on…it’s the ol’ Sgt. York turkey call trick.
They all know that they have been compromised, now we need to flush them out…I think the military are doing a great job, no offense, but I will rely on them over a blogger on HA.

right2bright on May 3, 2011 at 8:23 AM

Listen… For all of you who keeping posting that child pornography was found on Bin Laden’s computer, those pictures of young girls under age 10 are from a very legitimate, islam-approved, mail-order bride website that Bin Laden used to look for his next wife much the same as many devout, bearded Pakistani muslim males in their 50′s and 60′s have found their lovely brides. Allah commands it!

Where the goat pictures came from, well… Osama Bin Laden was also a lifetime member of the Pakistani 4H Club (Barnyard Goat Sub-Group).

Mahdi on May 3, 2011 at 8:31 AM

So how is UBL’s death going down at Gitmo ?

J_Crater on May 3, 2011 at 8:58 AM

For years I thought that ugly azz lump on the forehead of the doc was a benign growth. Then I learned that it is caused by banging your head on filthy carpets 6x a day. Yuck!

Blake on May 3, 2011 at 9:09 AM

2. So what exactly do we do if we find out that the Pakistani government, at the highest levels, knew where he was all along?

Realistically – what do we do? What will Obama do?

Bow lower. Increase foreign aid.

BitterClinger on May 3, 2011 at 9:20 AM

All this talk about a picture of the corpse of OBL. Feh. I dream of DEVGRU Helmet Cam video.

ace tomato on May 3, 2011 at 9:22 AM

Can you imagine what’s on Osama bin Laden’s hard drive?

He doesn’t strike me as much of a techy, so probably not much. And if US intel is talking about computer info, it’s probably minuscule. Wouldn’t they keep it to themselves if it were significant?

SD on May 3, 2011 at 9:26 AM

2. So what exactly do we do if we find out that the Pakistani government, at the highest levels, knew where he was all along?

Realistically – what do we do? What will Obama do? What would GWB have done?

Professor Blather on May 3, 2011 at 7:49 AM

Beats me. Bush had a policy of “constructive engagement” with Pakistan that I never liked. A find like this would have messed up his entire foreign policy. That’s one reason why people like Condoleezza Rice have been so quiet since this happened. We should never have trusted those SOBs after Benazir Bhutto was overthrown.

The idea that a rich dude like Osama with hundreds of followers was living in a cave in the wilds of Afghanistan for the last 10 years is ridiculous.

But on the other hand, we may never know if the Bush people knew OBL was in Pakistan all along but kept their mouths shut to preserve the ability to eventually get him.

rockmom on May 3, 2011 at 9:48 AM

“Can you imagine what’s on Osama bin Laden’s hard drive?”

Ewwwwwww.

/goat something?

Ward Cleaver on May 3, 2011 at 9:51 AM

Beats me. Bush had a policy of “constructive engagement” with Pakistan that I never liked. A find like this would have messed up his entire foreign policy. That’s one reason why people like Condoleezza Rice have been so quiet since this happened. We should never have trusted those SOBs after Benazir Bhutto was overthrown.

rockmom on May 3, 2011 at 9:48 AM

I prefer the kind of “constructive engagement” that was practiced yesterday by SEAL Team Six.

Ward Cleaver on May 3, 2011 at 9:53 AM

They all know that they have been compromised, now we need to flush them out…I think the military are doing a great job, no offense, but I will rely on them over a blogger on HA.

right2bright on May 3, 2011 at 8:23 AM

Flushing them out is one thing- but this intel has only just been retrieved and is still in the process of being analysed- which means that assets aren’t in place to watch those being “flushed out” to see where they’re going & what they’re doing next. In other words, even though the OBL info might have told us where they are now & what they’re doing now, they’re going to disappear off the radar. No doubt with plans & money & gear intact.

Telling the enemy we’re in the process of studying information about their networks and plans- before anyone is in place to watch them once they know they’ve been rumbled makes no sense. We can’t watch rats leaving a sinking ship if the information about the rats & ship’s location is on a hard drive still being analysed. Last I heard hundreds of people were studying all of the intel taken from OBL’s hide-out: it will take time to do that. In the meantime, terrorists are running and hiding and may be gone from sight before they can be tracked down and their networks broken.

It doesn’t take 20 or 30 years in anti-terrorism work to know that telling the enemy we know where they are, what they have & what they’re going to do next is not a great idea. I’m also under illusions that this information didn’t come from the intelligence community studying and acting on the information from OBL or the military guys who may have to step up to the line to stop the terrorists- it’s coming from White House officials crowing about what great work Obama’s done.

Imagine if a plan is in place to carry out a major terror attack inside the USA and the previously unheard of cell responsible is even now gone from their location, moving to a place OBL and his now compromised network knew nothing about- all because they got spooked by word that OBL’s computers are in the hands of US intel. You’re honestly telling me that is a good thing? You wouldn’t they rather stayed where they were so that the authorities could watch them, stop their attack and trace back the support network behind them?

If the SEALs who took the computers or the intel community tasked with studying it come out and tell me, ‘sure we like to give terrorists hiding amongst us advance notice that we’re coming’ then maybe- maybe- I’ll change my mind. Until that time I’ll stick with the age old mantra- loose lips sink ships.

Jay Mac on May 3, 2011 at 10:04 AM

EAST WENATCHEE, Wash. – A teacher who vowed nearly 10 years ago not to cut his beard until Osama bin Laden was captured or proven dead said he cried Sunday night upon hearing of the terrorist’s death.

“I spent my first five minutes crying and then I couldn’t get it off fast enough,” said Gary Weddle, 50, who lives in East Wenatchee but teaches middle school science in Ephrata.

J_Crater on May 3, 2011 at 10:11 AM

“Can you imagine what’s on Osama bin Laden’s hard drive?”

He was posting as crr6 on HotAir

/jk

faraway on May 3, 2011 at 10:16 AM

Jay Mac on May 3, 2011 at 10:04 AM

Interesting take, but I am pretty sure the moment the “Shot Heard Round the World 2.0″ was out – anyone affiliated with OBL assumed information was found, including key intel – and is acting in whatever manner they are acting. Our stating it doesnt make a difference, it is part of the terrorism game.

I also agree with the OP who said its a good thing to have them scurry now – because “well planned out terrorists” or any organization usually f-up when the plans go awry and they have to react immediately. It also affords other “on the fence” people to give up, give in and give intel for the safety of their own. I am pretty sure the “good intel we found” is a warning shot to Paki’s and any other “friend” who was complicit with OBL and Al Queda.

Odie1941 on May 3, 2011 at 10:17 AM

While technically true, strong encryption exists at the actual filesystem level that would make such a drive impossible to verify that it even had a filesystem on it. I am not talking about encrypting the data in the files. I am talking about encrypting even the OS formatting information. One would not even be able to locate the directory. This would not be a Microsoft or Apple operating system but a unix variant.

crosspatch on May 2, 2011 at 10:54 PM

I am pretty sure our intelligence folks got the recent “Encryption Times” magazine you got and are in the know… perhaps a little more in the know… you know?

Odie1941 on May 3, 2011 at 10:19 AM

Al-qaeda or no Al-qaeda, Islam will continue to inspire both terrorism and outright war against people who want to live decent lives.

thuja on May 3, 2011 at 10:28 AM

You need to go to Theo Spark site and see the picture of the 72 virgins!..:)

Dire Straits on May 2, 2011 at 10:43 PM

Wish I could take credit for it but I can’t Someone posted yesterday on another thread that Osama thought he was going to get 72 virgins but, given the fact of where his body was buried (dumped), he got 72 sturgeons instead.

sdd on May 3, 2011 at 10:36 AM

Interesting take, but I am pretty sure the moment the “Shot Heard Round the World 2.0″ was out – anyone affiliated with OBL assumed information was found, including key intel – and is acting in whatever manner they are acting. Our stating it doesnt make a difference, it is part of the terrorism game.
Odie1941 on May 3, 2011 at 10:17 AM

I agree- the moment this broke terrorists started to run. However, given the ‘professionalism’ of some of the Al Qaeda crowd a number of them are obviously not the sharpest tools in the box. Add to that the fact that some of the info OBL may have been privy to was not simply operational but administrative- and I’d argue that putting this on the front page rather than just saying SEALs went in and put a bullet in him, puts terrorists and their financiers and supporters on a much more defensive footing than they otherwise might have been. It’s one thing for a low-level terrorist to hear that the Big Bad is dead- it’s another for the press to announce that now the CIA knows everything he knew.

There’s a reason the hit on Osama took place in the utmost secrecy- no one wanted him to scurry for cover. Also, terrorists on the defensive may be prone to make mistakes- death-loving jihadists looking for a one-way ticket to their virgins may be likely to act rashly.

My original argument still stands- this intel is still in the process of being examined so why alert the enemy in such a front-page manner that we have a “treasure trove” of information about them? Does it really help America and her allies for terrorists to run for cover before the intel has been completely examined?

In short- are we better off if the intel is recovered and terror networks revealed or if terrorists dismantle the networks we’re still in the process of learning about and create new ones we have no knowledge of?

For those rats who are now scurrying or are unable to- what intel or evidence do they have about other cells/networks/financing/etc which was not on OBL’s files? Are they now panicking and destroying that evidence? Are they even now changing their MO to make it harder for the next raid to recover such a treasure trove?

Which brings me to this- who are these ‘officials’ who are talking to the press about this intel? Are they cleared to do so? Do the actual intel operatives analysing this info and those who will act on it appreciate this being all over the news or would they prefer it to be kept quiet so that they can do their job where it’s most effective- in the shadows?

Jay Mac on May 3, 2011 at 10:38 AM

Telling the enemy we’re in the process of studying information about their networks and plans- before anyone is in place to watch them

Jay Mac on May 3, 2011 at 10:04 AM

They have known about OBL for months, and weeks of his exact location…now what information do you have that says we were not in general location to watch others?
You seem to know a lot about our counter-intelligence, what background do you have?
You are stating that in this instance you have more knowledge and information than our intelligence officers…it will be interesting to see what background you have.
Everything said, was said for a specific reason, this isn’t “loose lips”…we were surveying this compound for months, and details of the plan for weeks, and no one said one thing…don’t you think they have a better plan and sense of operation than you do?
I personally think the operation was flawless (sans a mechanical failure), and it was carried out in the utmost secrecy, I think they have shown they have a pretty good idea, maybe even better than yours…hard for you to accept.
Maybe you should send an email to our CIA and educate them, sounds like they need your experience.

right2bright on May 3, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Are they even now changing their MO to make it harder for the next raid to recover such a treasure trove?

Jay Mac on May 3, 2011 at 10:38 AM

Layoff the TV for a few weeks, let the professionals handle it…or like I stated, storm into Washington, and let them know what you, a real expert, know about how to handle the PR and response to this great event. You apparently feel you know more about this than they do.

right2bright on May 3, 2011 at 10:57 AM

bin Laden’s successor in better days.

J_Crater on May 3, 2011 at 11:13 AM

The hard drives aren’t encrypted? OMG what a bunch of amateurs. This is great news for the war on terror!!!

shanimal on May 3, 2011 at 11:14 AM

I personally think the operation was flawless (sans a mechanical failure), and it was carried out in the utmost secrecy, I think they have shown they have a pretty good idea, maybe even better than yours…hard for you to accept.

I’m not talking about the Bin Laden operation clearly- what I’m saying is that the OBL computers, etc are still being studied and that therefore it’s impossible to have eyes on targets that are as yet unknown to the CIA et al.

You seem to be operating under the assumption that the release of this information is being conducted by intelligence agencies. I’m assuming that it’s much more likely to be coming from the White House.

This isn’t a matter of my credentials either- it’s a matter of logic and common sense. So I’ll ask again- if a terror cell is in the USA about to attack and, based on this news, they flee and hide to continue their plans before the information about them can be discovered and acted on, is that a good thing for America? Are you really saying you’d rather they ran into hiding before surveillance or an attack can be carried out on their location?

My stance is that the intel agencies should work in secret without gov ‘officials’ telling the world what they’re up to and what they have access to.

If it turns out that some Obama staffer gave up this info and that the intel officers working on it are none too pleased about it will you still think that it’s the right course of action?

As for terrorists changing their MO- that’s how they work. They learn quickly and adapt rapidly to new threats- that’s how they continue to operate. OBL may have had computers but he was unable to use the internet or phones to communicate with his people- he knew it was too dangerous. I’m sure that even as we argue here Al Qaeda and affiliates are adapting to the news to ensure that another major figure being targeted like this has the minimum possible information at his location so that it doesn’t fall into US hands.

BTW, the Daily Mail is reporting that it was not a malfunction that brought the helicopter down in the compound but fire from OBL’s guards. Anyone else heard that?

Jay Mac on May 3, 2011 at 11:33 AM

U.S. finds huge amount of data on Bin Laden’s computers

Apparently OBL had a thing for online Texas Hold’em. When DOJ closed the sites, Osama filed a complaint to get his money out his online account.

Oops.

BobMbx on May 3, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Telling the enemy we’re in the process of studying information about their networks and plans- before anyone is in place to watch them

Jay Mac on May 3, 2011 at 10:04 AM

Maybe we didn’t get a damn thing, and the story is designed to make the terrorists think we know. Disruption. Confusion.

Maybe they’ll make a mistake or take an action that does get noticed as they change their plans, locations, etc.

BobMbx on May 3, 2011 at 11:35 AM

Ya know I was just thinking, they went in the middle of the night. Has any thought been given to always bust through the windows and doors during prayer time? This would catch them when they are not armed.

Of course, busting in when they are asleep brings the same result, but I never hear about assualts at 6 pm.

jeffn21 on May 3, 2011 at 11:40 AM

U.S. officials say detainees held at Guantanamo helped lead them to the courier.
In one early clue, according to a secret Pentagon cable made public by Wikileaks, senior Al Qaeda commander Abu al Libi told interrogators he became “the official messenger” for bin Laden and for a year in 2003 “moved his family to Abbottabad, Pakistan” — the city near Islamabad where bin Laden was killed Sunday.

Gee, wasn’t that an awesomely wonderful idea to close down Gitmo by January 20, 2010! Oh wait a minute, that didn’t happen, and those terrorists human disaster causers devout disciples of the Religion of Peace were revealing Bin Laden’s eventual whereabouts starting in 2003? Does anyone remember who was President back in 2003?

2. So what exactly do we do if we find out that the Pakistani government, at the highest levels, knew where he was all along?

This is the super-duper $64,000 facepalm question EVERYONE is asking, and not only American HotAir.com conservatives!

I was watching TV5, one of France’s leftiest news channels last night by satellite, and they had reporters IN ABOTTABAD, and they panned the cameras from the Pak army military base to Bin Laden’s compound about a half mile away, and even THEY were wondering aloud about the “double jeu” (double-crossing) by the Pak government, while nonchalant Pak passers-by in that town were in total denial that Bin Laden could have been there.

The fact that Bin Laden was holed up practically under the nose of a Pak army base basically screams to the world that the Pak government tacitly gave its approval to Bin Laden’s presence, deliberately hiding him not only from the eyes of the West but of its own people. The Pak government has a lot of ‘splainin’ to do, and is Hillary Clinton ready to ask them some tough questions?

Steve Z on May 3, 2011 at 11:51 AM

whats on his computer ?
hmm Goat Porn?
his version of draw muhamud.

ColdWarrior57 on May 3, 2011 at 11:53 AM

See, here’s the thing that bugs me about all of this.

When that house was initially built it was apparently in a sparsely populated area that eventually built up around the mansion.

Now take the culture of the area into consideration. People in this part of the world actually tend to be pretty neighborly. They also visit shops for food and are not so likely to use things like a supermarket. If the residents of that house were very secretive, that in itself would have been the subject of talk in the area.

There is absolutely no way they could have been there for five or six years and not have been the subject of curiosity for the local population. Then when you consider that the local population is predominately military and retired military, it gets even stranger.

I would really want to know what the “cover story” was to explain the occupants of that house over that time. To believe that his wives and children would never leave that house for 5 years seems naive but it is possible, though it would be like imprisonment.

crosspatch on May 3, 2011 at 12:16 PM

What kind of computer was it? Windows or Apple?

Emperor Norton on May 3, 2011 at 12:24 PM

First half hour of Rush; he really tore into O’La-La and the lefties.

Rush is right. The American people are owed an apology by the White House.

GrannyDee on May 3, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Jay Mac on May 3, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Dude, give it up. r2br is like that. He/she called into question my economic credentials a month or so ago on a thread when I argued we shouldn’t allow those who have wrecked the economy over the past 20 years to “fix” it now. We should allow some new blood and new ideas in the mix. He/she basically told me to shut up and sit down. I refused, of course. But ya gotta remember, he/she is always right.

odat on May 3, 2011 at 12:51 PM

I can not believe that they are talking about gathering intelligence!
For the love of Pete!

You don’r announce to you enemy that you know something.

MeGa-WTF!?

esnap on May 3, 2011 at 12:55 PM

odat on May 3, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Thanks for the advice. Must keep reminding myself not to start arguing with people on-line!

Jay Mac on May 3, 2011 at 1:11 PM

400lb Gorilla on May 3, 2011 at 1:38 PM

The credibility of this Obama admin does not start very high with me.

This story is put out to ‘justify’ their stated goal of ‘execution but not capture’ of the HVT.

And I am sure plenty of people ahead of me already express the same sentiment.

Sir Napsalot on May 3, 2011 at 1:41 PM

Jihadis have never heard that one before: All your database are belong to us!

Christien on May 3, 2011 at 1:47 PM

What a pigsty. That passes for luxury in Pakistan? That house would not pass for comfort in Torrance, CA.

pat on May 3, 2011 at 1:56 PM

Its all Bush’s Fault. Yes FINALLY IT Truely IS!

This tells me they laid down such good goundwork and intense process on getting this guy, that all of theings that had been done added up against UBL to ultimately bring him down. It also shows UBL was had a PHD in hiding and had aid in doing so and Bush’s effort eventually overcame that. This means America is indeed alive and well once the film layer of Liberal B.S. is wiped away.

johnnyU on May 3, 2011 at 2:00 PM

I’m going to guess that Obama’s hard drives are “encrypted” with a Windows login password.

HitNRun on May 2, 2011 at 10:58 PM

Yeah, it’s likely that UBL had encryption, too.

ricer1 on May 3, 2011 at 2:02 PM

or when Liberals are desperate to get reelected…. they use the success of others, and put their name on someone elses hard work.

johnnyU on May 3, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Yeah, it’s likely that UBL had encryption, too.

ricer1 on May 3, 2011 at 2:02 PM

yeah our government can only pry into its own citizens business. They had better be able to crack his drives…. and use this loss of our freedom against the bastard that caused it for a change.

johnnyU on May 3, 2011 at 2:06 PM

Hopefully we can finally find out once and for all if he was an Arsenal supporter.

lexhamfox on May 3, 2011 at 2:13 PM

We’ll find stuff that we will cherrypick to go to war with Pakistan. That and Whitney Houston’s entire Movie and Music catalogue.

LevStrauss on May 3, 2011 at 2:13 PM

As Rush asked earlier; why would we announce to the world that we have this stuff? Doesn’t it compromise the value of the intel?

labrat on May 3, 2011 at 2:30 PM

As Rush asked earlier; why would we announce to the world that we have this stuff? Doesn’t it compromise the value of the intel?

labrat on May 3, 2011 at 2:30 PM

I think they know that the US was at Bin Laden’s place. It’s already public knowledge.

Furthermore…. even if they did not retrieve boxes of things they should say publicly that they have lots of stuff. Cell level organizations are much more vulnerable when they move and nothing gets them moving like when they think are rumbled. Early indications are that Osama was never seen leaving the compound while under surveillance.

They had time to think through how all this would be handled and I expect their decisions were led by professional advisors.

lexhamfox on May 3, 2011 at 2:39 PM

BTW, the Daily Mail is reporting that it was not a malfunction that brought the helicopter down in the compound but fire from OBL’s guards. Anyone else heard that?

Jay Mac on May 3, 2011 at 11:33 AM

I heard that and some ‘witnesses’ are saying that but I also heard from someone in the military that it was not a malfunction but because of where the helicopter set down… it was not able to lift off properly. But then other reports include a ‘hard landing story.’ There are lots of contradicting stories out there even from official sources. I expect the truth will come out with other details over time.

lexhamfox on May 3, 2011 at 2:47 PM

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