Who Wins the GOP “Dark Horse” Primary?

posted at 9:00 am on May 1, 2011 by Jazz Shaw

The folks at Rasmussen are either geniuses or they have way too much time on their hands. I can never make up my mind which. In any event they continue to occupy themselves with a dizzying array of scenarios to question Americans on, generally just when they are sitting down to dinner. This week’s offering is a rather odd question where they want to know who will win the GOP nomination… if none of the people we think might win the nomination decide to run.

What if they held a Republican Primary contest and the front-runners didn’t show up? Or what if voters look for anybody but the front-runner? How do primary voters view the dark horses who are possible contenders for the party’s 2012 presidential nomination?

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely GOP Primary Voters finds that Minnesota Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann earns 27% support when pitted against eight other possible second-tier candidates. Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania earns 12% of the vote, while Georgia businessman Herman Cain picks up nine percent (9%).

Texas Governor Rick Perry gets seven percent (7%) of the likely primary vote, followed by Jon Huntsman, former Utah governor and ex-ambassador to China, with three percent (3%) backing. Former Louisiana Governor Buddy Roemer, retired New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson and Michigan Congressman Thaddeus McCotter each pick up one percent (1%) of the vote.

You can fairly poll on a wide variety of topics and come up with some statistically meaningful results, make no mistake. But the question at least needs to begin with a basic assumption which is fairly incontrovertible. This one seems to be built on a foundation which involves far more speculation and creative judgment than could be judged as scientific.

First of all, how does one arrive at definitive groupings of who is a “dark horse” and who is a front-runner? Looking at nothing but the most recent math, The Donald is the presumptive GOP nominee, but particularly after his one night stand-up routine in Sin City, does anyone really think he can win? (Assuming he even has any real intention of running?) Is he still a “front-runner?”

Palin and Huckabee, sure. But… are they definitely running? We all know Mittens wants to run more than life itself, but he’s been rather busy shooting himself in the foot lately. And where is Pawlenty? He isn’t put in with the “dark horses.” Look, I love me some T-Paw, but is he one of the front-runners now? But he’s clearly at least as much in the running – if not more so – than quite a few on their “second tier” list. The polls are constantly shifting, so it’s tough to say where Rasmussen came up with the break point to determine where they began listing people with the rather pejorative “second tier” moniker.

But assuming it’s somewhere in the ballpark, how does the list look to you? Just for fun, I matched up this poll’s results with the answers supplied by Hot Air’s readers to a question posed by Patrick Ishmael not too long ago. He asked who you would support if Palin was taken out of the race. (A good benchmark since the HA readership doesn’t come up with many other answers if you leave her in.) If we then remove the rest of the Rasmussen designated front-runners the order you lined them up in was: (Provided in raw vote count for comparison, not percentage)

  1. Bachmann 621
  2. Cain 444
  3. Santorum 51
  4. Huntsman 6
  5. Johnson 3

Rasmussen had:

  1. Bachmann 27%
  2. Santorum 12%
  3. Cain 9%
  4. Perry 7%
  5. Huntsman 3%
  6. Roemer / Johnson / McCotter 1%

Interestingly enough, Hot Air’s readers really don’t come out all that differently from the rest of the country in terms of the finishing order, with one notable exception: Santorum and Cain are pretty much reversed. Cain is wildly popular with Hot Air readers, but barely rises above the background noise level nationally. And Santorum is down in the grass at Hot Air, but shows some surprising potential according to Rasmussen.

Just something else to chew on for Sunday. Have at it.


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There aren’t usually dark horses in a GOP race, especially after Iowa. 2008 was actually pretty unusual, in that there were three serious candidates in it for a long time.

After New Hampshire, I expect the field to be Romney and whoever won Iowa. Huckabee might stay in it until South Carolina but he won’t win there.

rockmom on May 1, 2011 at 9:09 AM

She’s often called a loose cannon, by Republican leadership, but she’s never called RINO, by anyone. Washington society never swept her off her feet. But since Donald Trump has recently redefined the term “loose cannon,” maybe she’s not a loose cannon either. Maybe she’s the right one.

RBMN on May 1, 2011 at 9:11 AM

Huntsman? Still? How is this guy even getting ONE vote?

Purple Fury on May 1, 2011 at 9:12 AM

She’s been my top choice for a while. She’s Palin without the stupid son-in-law baggage. A true Mama Grizzly. Let conservative women lead the US out of the wilderness.

doufree on May 1, 2011 at 9:13 AM

Few Republican women have failed to impress me. We’ve said it so many times here, they seem to be the only ones no afraid to say what is in their minds, to speak the truth without mincing words.

I could vote for Bachmann. I’m still riding a fence for Palin until the primaries.

hawkdriver on May 1, 2011 at 9:14 AM

She’s been my top choice for a while. She’s Palin without the stupid son-in-law baggage. A true Mama Grizzly. Let conservative women lead the US out of the wilderness.

doufree on May 1, 2011 at 9:13 AM

WTF, Dude?

hawkdriver on May 1, 2011 at 9:15 AM

Shes on with Chris Wallace right now making a ton of sense and looking very ptofessional and very well spoken. She beats the heck out of huckromtpawdaniels wusses.

ldbgcoleman on May 1, 2011 at 9:15 AM

doufree on May 1, 2011 at 9:13 AM

Please excuse me. I misread and commented way too fast. Sincerely, sorry.

hawkdriver on May 1, 2011 at 9:16 AM

And did Rasmussen ask the Dems who their Dark Horse candidate would be?

Or is that racist in their case?

Hillary / Trump 2012!

profitsbeard on May 1, 2011 at 9:19 AM

Cain/Bachman or Bachman/Cain, I think that they would destroy any democrats in the debates…they would probably be edited out of the MSM broadcasts, but they would DESTROY!

rgranger on May 1, 2011 at 9:21 AM

She drives liberals crazy.

That said, Stossel–for whom I have high regard as an equal-opportunity basher–recently pointed out that family members of Bachman have profitted handsomely from farm subsidies. Legal? Fine. She should be stepping up to the plate to eliminate those that are nothing more than give aways. Subsidies to keep one’s head above water, sounds reasonable. Subsidies that become an annual and expected form of pure profit, terminate.

BuckeyeSam on May 1, 2011 at 9:22 AM

MB…..doesn’t she have a real job?….and get ANYONE tell me of any accomplishments she’s had in her history as Congresswoman?

Unfortuantely, MB some times comes across as not being the brightest bulb in the pack, and her speaking policy to foreign dignitaries scares me to death.

http://tinyurl.com/3cc9apj

MB = Sarah Palin wannabe

tencole on May 1, 2011 at 9:29 AM

Dude. So great to see McCotter on a poll result. This guy would make the greatest pres ever. I just got wood thinking about a debate between him and Obama.

gash on May 1, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Bachmann, Cain and Santorum are the only three in that list for whom I would vote.

Schmuckabee, Romney and the usual RINOs of the GOP can suck wind. I will not vote for them — EVAH!

Ricohoc on May 1, 2011 at 9:35 AM

Cain does well by showing up, showing he is serious and speaking his mind. He doesn’t have name recognition and will have to learn how to handle the criticisms and do some debates, but he has shown ability to do that.

Bachmann does well by being herself, outspoken, unafraid of the MSM and willing to take her point of view outwards. By running the sessions for Freshmen on the actual role and purpose of the House, as well as its powers, she does what used to be done via handbooks and guides in an earlier era. Today there are few that even understand that Congress is limited, or that the federal government is limited, so doing that is a first step in rebuilding the foundation of understanding of those coming into Congress. That serves to extend her base of support geographically via those going to those sessions.

Still, the Dark Horses will only be known when all the horses assemble for the first race.

That is months and months away as yet, and any polling premature, to say the least. Re-do the poll in DEC 2011 and then we will know who is dark and who is merely missing.

ajacksonian on May 1, 2011 at 9:41 AM

Sorry, anyone who has the lack of good political sense to compare the Holocaust with the “death” of economic liberty is not presidential material in my book.

I’m not exactly enthralled with her statements on gay issues, either.

pbundy on May 1, 2011 at 9:42 AM

All the strong candidates in my book are listed as dark horses. Palin and Bachman are stronger leaders than any of the boys.

Herb on May 1, 2011 at 9:43 AM

She’s been my top choice for a while. She’s Palin without the stupid son-in-law baggage. A true Mama Grizzly. Let conservative women lead the US out of the wilderness.

doufree on May 1, 2011 at 9:13 AM

And her supporters are really doing her lots of favors by antagonizing Palin fans, for sure.

pseudoforce on May 1, 2011 at 9:45 AM

I’m not exactly enthralled with her statements on gay issues, either.

pbundy on May 1, 2011 at 9:42 AM

She didn’t actually make a statement there though, did she?

hawkdriver on May 1, 2011 at 9:48 AM

Sorry, anyone who has the lack of good political sense to compare the Holocaust with the “death” of economic liberty is not presidential material in my book.

I’m not exactly enthralled with her statements on gay issues, either.

pbundy on May 1, 2011 at 9:42 AM

The press never puts anything she says in context, probably because they don’t know the context. The rise of Hitler needed economic strife to happen. Without the collapse of the German economy, caused by wild inflation, the public wouldn’t have been choosing between Communists and Nazis for political leadership, and finally, choosing for Nazis. There are those kind of turning points in every man-made disaster.

RBMN on May 1, 2011 at 9:51 AM

Love Bachmann. She’s better than any man out there. But why drink the Asti Spumante when you can have the Dom Perignon?

Palin 2012

Ted Torgerson on May 1, 2011 at 9:53 AM

That said, Stossel–for whom I have high regard as an equal-opportunity basher–recently pointed out that family members of Bachman have profitted handsomely from farm subsidies.
BuckeyeSam on May 1, 2011 at 9:22 AM

I had an uncle who was a pedophile. What does that have to do with me? Nothing. Same as the farm subsidy has nothing to do with her. It’s a red herring and you swallowed it hook and line.

BierManVA on May 1, 2011 at 9:54 AM

I competely agree that there are similarities between what happened in Germany with the collapse of their economic system and the rise of Hitler and the Nazis. Nevertheless, the way that Bachmann phrased her comments was inflammatory and insulting to those who were affected by the Holocaust. I watched the video. Someone who wants to be president should be careful not to make statements as she did.

As for the “not making a statement” about whether homosexuality was a “public health crisis” – a quick and easy response would have been that saying it was would be a ridiculous assertion. “Not making a statement” says volumes.

pbundy on May 1, 2011 at 9:55 AM

Waiting for the left to hang that racist dark horse comment around Rasmussen’s neck.

Buy Danish on May 1, 2011 at 9:56 AM

Sorry, but Bachmann only talks to the base and ignores the rest. I like her, but not as a Presidential candidate.

ElectricPhase on May 1, 2011 at 10:05 AM

She’s Palin without the stupid son-in-law baggage.
doufree on May 1, 2011 at 9:13 AM

WTF, Dude?
hawkdriver on May 1, 2011 at 9:15 AM

This is the idiotic fantasy that there might be a potential conservative candidate out there somewhere who has absolutely no statements, actions or associates that can’t be blown insanely out of proportion if when the liberal propaganda machine decides they pose a threat.

That’s the only point there could possibly be to this poll: The media are very slowly beginning to figure out that ANY prominent conservative could crush Obama in 2012, so they’re desperately trying to see if they can elevate somebody whose linen hasn’t been completely aired yet. They’re not looking at our back bench; they’re looking at theirs.

logis on May 1, 2011 at 10:05 AM

Cain… just to hear him destroy Obama in a debate and make him look like a schoolboy. Then again, T-Paw or Ryan would do the same only Cain wouldn’t hold back and try to be polite about it. White candidates are too afraid of the racist label to say things the way HC would say them. I truly think a savvy businessman like HC would grab the country’s attention in a big way.

princetrumpet on May 1, 2011 at 10:06 AM

That said, Stossel–for whom I have high regard as an equal-opportunity basher–recently pointed out that family members of Bachman have profitted handsomely from farm subsidies.
BuckeyeSam on May 1, 2011 at 9:22 AM

I had an uncle who was a pedophile. What does that have to do with me? Nothing. Same as the farm subsidy has nothing to do with her. It’s a red herring and you swallowed it hook and line.

BierManVA on May 1, 2011 at 9:54 AM

I don’t know which of you two is closer to the truth, because I don’t know how Bachmann has voted on farm subsidy issues.
Would someone inform us please?

itsnotaboutme on May 1, 2011 at 10:07 AM

I’ve watched Bachmann for years.. He means what she says and says what she means.. Funny how they try to demean her, have they not read her resume???

Run Bachmann Run

reshas1 on May 1, 2011 at 10:07 AM

I had an uncle who was a pedophile. What does that have to do with me? Nothing. Same as the farm subsidy has nothing to do with her. It’s a red herring and you swallowed it hook and line.

BierManVA on May 1, 2011 at 9:54 AM

I’ll take my red herring over your idiotic analogy any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. She’s a federal legislator who is in a position to end senseless subsidies.

BuckeyeSam on May 1, 2011 at 10:08 AM

Cain… just to hear him destroy Obama in a debate and make him look like a schoolboy. Then again, T-Paw or Ryan would do the same only Cain wouldn’t hold back and try to be polite about it. White candidates are too afraid of the racist label to say things the way HC would say them.

princetrumpet on May 1, 2011 at 10:06 AM

The USA will not elect an angry president.
Reagan was able to dissect debate opponents while still maintaining a “nice guy” persona.
The reason Obama still has almost half of the population approving him–despite the mess he’s made of everything–is that people perceive him to be likeable.

itsnotaboutme on May 1, 2011 at 10:11 AM

I’m not exactly enthralled with her statements on gay issues, either.
pbundy on May 1, 2011 at 9:42 AM

She didn’t actually make a statement there though, did she?
hawkdriver on May 1, 2011 at 9:48 AM

Some lunatic screamed at her that gay people were like second-hand smoke, and she didn’t treat the question with perfect respect.

That’s enough to convince the Concern Trolls that any conservative candidate is “unelectable.” But then, so is everything else they say or do.

logis on May 1, 2011 at 10:13 AM

I used to like Bachmann, but, beyond her overly-aggressive fund-raising tactics, she’s become too much of a cliched talking points machine. All the candidates need to talk less in general terms, say, about “liberty” and “The Constitution” and instead speak specifically about exactly what has been done by Obama and his administration to threaten our liberty (and prosperity!) and breach the Constitution, and what they would do to fix it. This goes way beyond taxing and spending – it goes to the EPA and Shell Oil, the N.L.R.B. and Boeing, the UAW and senior bond holders, and so forth.

Buy Danish on May 1, 2011 at 10:19 AM

Cain is wildly popular with Hot Air readers, but barely rises above the background noise level nationally. And Santorum is down in the grass at Hot Air, but shows some surprising potential according to Rasmussen.

Santorum was a senator from one of the largest states while Cain never has held office I believe.

Polls right now arent about issues or character they are about name recognition. You ask ther average American the following list of names and see how many they might have heard of

OBAMA
PALIN
CAIN
CLINTON
ROMNEY
TRUMP.

Chances are the list would read

OBAMA
TRUMP
CLINTON
PALIN
ROMNEY
CAIN.

Which is why polls are bogus right now. People only know a name not a person.

Also avoid the media “horserace” The reason why Iowa and New hampshire are too powerfull in primary season is that the media focuses on the “horse race”. You have to win or show in either of those two states to be in contention.

To quote the movie “War games” –

“The only winning move is not to play”

William Amos on May 1, 2011 at 10:22 AM

I’d vote for Santorum or Bachmann. On the fence for some others.

Philly on May 1, 2011 at 10:26 AM

WHAT?!

NO ONE’S GOING TO SAY IT?!!!

WHAT ABOUT !!ELEVENTY11!!!RON PAUL!!ELEVENTY11!!!!

THIS IS AN AFFRONT TO THE CONSTITUTION AND THE REPUBLIC!!!!!

catmman on May 1, 2011 at 10:28 AM

Buy Danish on May 1, 2011 at 10:19 AM

I agree with you. I like her in a general sense, but I don’t understand why she can’t get past generalities. I just finished listening to Wallace interview her on FNS. She had a very good answer to his question about calling the Obama administration “gangster government.” But then she gave a very evasive answer about her support for the Republican study group report over Ryan’s proposal. She offered some nonsense that these were “aspirational documents.” Heck, everyone knows that no proposal becomes law in total. But her unwillingness to discuss some of the specific provisions of the plan she supports completely baffles me. And it makes for a lousy interview.

BuckeyeSam on May 1, 2011 at 10:30 AM

The USA will not elect an angry president.
Reagan was able to dissect debate opponents while still maintaining a “nice guy” persona.
The reason Obama still has almost half of the population approving him–despite the mess he’s made of everything–is that people perceive him to be likeable.

itsnotaboutme on May 1, 2011 at 10:11 AM

————————————————————

Yup, you have a point. But I’m wondering if things have changed. This truly seems to be a different world than it was in 1980 when we needed to be uplifted by someone like RR. The GOP needs someone with brains and passion. Is HC enough? I don’t know. Also, I don’t think passion and anger have to go hand-in-hand. HC seems to be able to convey his smarts and passion BUT yes… I’ve seen him go to the edge of the tempest and come off looking angry. Well, people are angry. I’m just saying HC deserves a more than passing glance.

princetrumpet on May 1, 2011 at 10:30 AM

She’s been my top choice for a while. She’s Palin without the stupid son-in-law baggage. A true Mama Grizzly. Let conservative women lead the US out of the wilderness.

doufree on May 1, 2011 at 9:13 AM

And her supporters are really doing her lots of favors by antagonizing Palin fans, for sure.

pseudoforce on May 1, 2011 at 9:45 AM

Speaking as a Palin supporter, I’m not going to be too hard on the vocal Bachmann supporters. Bachmann may not be #1 in my book, but she’s on my short list of “candidates Gryph could vote for in the primaries.” I’m realistic enough to know that Palin may not run. If she runs, she may not go all the way. But I can get on board with Bachmann if that’s the scenario.

gryphon202 on May 1, 2011 at 10:33 AM

I wouldn’t vote for Bachmann in the primary but if by some miracle she were to win the nomination, I’d vote for her in the general. But I honestly don’t see her making it very far in the primary process to begin with so it’s kind of a moot point anyway.

Redneck Woman on May 1, 2011 at 10:44 AM

BuckeyeSam on May 1, 2011 at 10:30 AM

Yep, and lately she seems to be taking contrarian positions just because it’s not what other potential candidates are doing and is presumably a way to separate herself from others. It’s not unlike Obama doing things merely because it was the opposite of what Bush did. Her first responsibility is to be a legislator, not a candidate, but she is politicizing everything for her own self-aggrandizement.

BTW, I also think Romney needs to be much more specific when he hangs Obama’s record around his neck. Talk about the lack of people in the administration with business experience, the overly cozy relationship with unions and how this conflicts with taxpayers, the fact that O didn’t consult with his own cabinet members, specific examples of cronyism, of picking winners and losers…

Buy Danish on May 1, 2011 at 10:45 AM

princetrumpet on May 1, 2011 at 10:30 AM

Well-said.

Buy Danish on May 1, 2011 at 10:49 AM

I support Palin but I like Bachman, what I know of her anyways. She was on Fox this morning and Chris Walace showed his left wing stupidity by insulting her and making completely dumb statments. Clearly we need a new network that is not part of the DC culture of corruption

georgealbert on May 1, 2011 at 10:52 AM

I support Palin but I like Bachman, what I know of her anyways. She was on Fox this morning and Chris Walace showed his left wing stupidity by insulting her and making completely dumb statments. Clearly we need a new network that is not part of the DC culture of corruption

georgealbert on May 1, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Wallace is a liberal like his father. He hides it better than others, but at times you can see it in his tone.

slickwillie2001 on May 1, 2011 at 11:12 AM

Sorry, anyone who has the lack of good political sense to compare the Holocaust with the “death” of economic liberty is not presidential material in my book.

pbundy on May 1, 2011 at 9:42 AM

It would be one thing if it were hyperbolic rhetoric concerning something affecting a few people, but spot on if comparing it to the catastrophic future that will ‘annihilate’ with onerous debt to be borne entirely on the backs the next few generations, i.e. your and my kids, grandkids and great-grandkids.

AH_C on May 1, 2011 at 11:12 AM

She’s a federal legislator who is in a position to end senseless subsidies.

BuckeyeSam on May 1, 2011 at 10:08 AM

She is one of 435 Representatives. She gets 1 vote. So while she is in the position to advocate for the end of senseless subsidies. She has no power to end them as you have suggested.

chemman on May 1, 2011 at 11:13 AM

I used to like Bachmann, but, beyond her overly-aggressive fund-raising tactics, she’s become too much of a cliched talking points machine….

Buy Danish on May 1, 2011 at 10:19 AM

Given that she is a tax lawyer, I’m pretty sure she could easily bore her audience to death with some in-depth tax policy discussion… but she’s smart enough to know this is the time for dispensing big bowls of red meat, topped with even more red meat…

If she runs, there’s a distinct probability that we could have 16 continuous years of Mama Grizzly presidency… (Palin is 8 years younger, so 2020 really is her earliest time to run based on age)

phreshone on May 1, 2011 at 11:14 AM

I like Palin and Bachmann best. The others don’t have any balls……

adamsmith on May 1, 2011 at 11:18 AM

If she runs, there’s a distinct probability that we could have 16 continuous years of Mama Grizzly presidency… (Palin is 8 years younger, so 2020 really is her earliest time to run based on age)

phreshone on May 1, 2011 at 11:14 AM

That is, if you think age makes a candidate more or less suitable for office. I don’t. Carry on.

gryphon202 on May 1, 2011 at 11:18 AM

Herman Cain coming up on Fox News in a few minutes.

Philly on May 1, 2011 at 11:18 AM

phreshone on May 1, 2011 at 11:14 AM

She needs to figure out how to take her tax law background and soundbite it. At this point I think there’s a very low probability that she’ll advance to the W.H. Red Meat is fine for the base but we won 2010 elections with Independents and unless she can appeal to them too she won’t succeed.

Buy Danish on May 1, 2011 at 11:21 AM

gryphon202 on May 1, 2011 at 11:18 AM

I don’t either, but was just expressing the possibilities if Sarah lets Michelle run through the political opportunity she has opened over the past 3 years, and her (seeming) support of Michelle suggests.

phreshone on May 1, 2011 at 11:22 AM

I don’t either, but was just expressing the possibilities if Sarah lets Michelle run through the political opportunity she has opened over the past 3 years, and her (seeming) support of Michelle suggests.

phreshone on May 1, 2011 at 11:22 AM

If Palin decides not to run, which is a real possibility, and endorses Bachmann instead, which is also a real possibility, I would be even more likely to pull the lever for Bachmann in the primaries.

gryphon202 on May 1, 2011 at 11:28 AM

BuckeyeSam on May 1, 2011 at 10:30 AM

I don’t know a lot about Bachman but I thought Chris Wllace’s questions were leading and ill informed themselves. He was a typical on camera interviewer who asked a question, didn’t listen to the answer but did interrupt to steer the answer to where he wanted it to go.

I thought fox was supposed to be a conservative outfit but the whole show today was very irritating and typical of any other “news” show.

Vince on May 1, 2011 at 11:29 AM

I like Palin and Bachmann best. The others don’t have any balls……

adamsmith on May 1, 2011 at 11:18 AM

Heh.

Vince on May 1, 2011 at 11:33 AM

If she runs, there’s a distinct probability that we could have 16 continuous years of Mama Grizzly presidency… (Palin is 8 years younger, so 2020 really is her earliest time to run based on age)

phreshone on May 1, 2011 at 11:14 AM

I like this scenario better….

Palin/West 2012….
Palin 8 years…

West/Rubio 2020…
West 8 years….

Rubio/Ryan 2028….
Rubio 8 years…

Ryan 8 years….and on and on and on. :)

tencole on May 1, 2011 at 11:42 AM

I thought fox was supposed to be a conservative outfit but the whole show today was very irritating and typical of any other “news” show.

Vince on May 1, 2011 at 11:29 AM

Hold the phone there, Vince! Conservative outfit?

Failure to kiss Obama’s ass =/= “Conservative”

You must not ever watch Shep Smith’s news coverage. :P Fox is remarkable because they’re not blisteringly liberal, but they have their share of liberal voices, and Chris Wallace is surely one of them.

gryphon202 on May 1, 2011 at 11:44 AM

Michele Bachmann will make a fine tea party candidate in 2012!..:)

Dire Straits on May 1, 2011 at 11:51 AM

they have their share of liberal voices, and Chris Wallace is surely one of them.

gryphon202 on May 1, 2011 at 11:44 AM

Hmmm…It’s May 1. It’s not April 1.
What is gryphon drinking or smoking?

itsnotaboutme on May 1, 2011 at 12:10 PM

As HC pointed out, the more people hear him, the more his polling will rise

AH_C on May 1, 2011 at 12:18 PM

For the exception of Bachmann/Cain all the other candidates will go along to get along. I honestly don’t think Trump or Palin will run. Who knows where Gingrich stands on running and Santorum .

Watching Bachmann, she is solid. She doesn’t back down.

gatorfanatic on May 1, 2011 at 12:32 PM

and Santorum
gatorfanatic on May 1, 2011 at 12:32 PM

Sorry, meant to say that Santorum doesn’t stand a chance.

gatorfanatic on May 1, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Who wins the dark GOP dark horse vote? That’s easy — TRUMP…

As soon as the GOP buzz focuses on Trump being a recent registered Democrat, he’ll say something original like “I didn’t leave the Democrat party, the Democrat party left me…”

End of dark horse story…

drfredc on May 1, 2011 at 12:39 PM

drfredc on May 1, 2011 at 12:39 PM

You forgot the expletives: “I didn’t leave the mothereffing Democrat party, the mothereffing Democrat party left me…”

And with that he loses the White House.

Buy Danish on May 1, 2011 at 12:55 PM

I think an important question to ask oneself is which candidate do you trust to nominate a true conservative for SCOTUS or for that matter circuit court judge?

For me there are only 2 candidates that I could trust to do this-both happen to be female.

redridinghood on May 1, 2011 at 1:00 PM

redridinghood on May 1, 2011 at 1:00 PM

I think they can all be trusted on this matter, except maybe Ron Paul. Most important – a candidate who can beat Obama – without that occurring we’ll end up with more Kagans and Sotomayors and 9th circuit loons.

Buy Danish on May 1, 2011 at 1:08 PM

Michelle Bachmann is a RINO traitor. She went all squishy and attacked Ryan’s plan. Not presidential material. Would not vote for her. She is fake tea. She uses conservatism to whip up votes but when it comes to applying it, she folds like a cheap suit.

andy85719 on May 1, 2011 at 1:35 PM

Link:

FAKE TEA

andy85719 on May 1, 2011 at 1:40 PM

Hopefully she runs for candidate and gives up here congressional seat. Then the MN legislature can redistrict Cravaack’s Chisago county into her district and redistrict St Cloud into MN-8. I love Cravaack, and want to keep him badly, but there’s no way a conservative is going to win in MN-8 again so we might as well help him out by putting him in Bachmann’s overly conservative district.

Nelsen on May 1, 2011 at 1:50 PM

Good point Nelsen. Get rid of her. The fake obviously won’t win the presidential nomination once her perfidy is revealed.

andy85719 on May 1, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Link:

FAKE TEA

andy85719 on May 1, 2011 at 1:40 PM

That link doesn’t work for me.

sharrukin on May 1, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Michelle Bachmann is a RINO traitor. She went all squishy and attacked Ryan’s plan. Not presidential material. Would not vote for her. She is fake tea. She uses conservatism to whip up votes but when it comes to applying it, she folds like a cheap suit.

andy85719 on May 1, 2011 at 1:35 PM

BS
I’m listening to her now on FNC. She is making complete sense & I like what she is saying.

redridinghood on May 1, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Michelle Bachmann is a RINO traitor. She went all squishy and attacked Ryan’s plan. Not presidential material. Would not vote for her. She is fake tea. She uses conservatism to whip up votes but when it comes to applying it, she folds like a cheap suit.

andy85719 on May 1, 2011 at 1:35 PM

No, you’re just disappointed that Bachmann doesn’t open, metaphorically speaking, all the ticking boxes that arrive on her desk. Ryan’s plan for medicare needs some more details explained and options explored. Until then, it’s just something for demagogic Democrats to beat her over the head with. Ryan’s plan is a good start, but it’s just a start.

RBMN on May 1, 2011 at 2:18 PM

Cain has said that if elected he will not allow any Muslims in his cabinet. I think it’s on video. it was certainly reported by the MSM, so either he’ll have to ignore it or walk it back.

It’s unConstitutional – violates the Establisjment Clause. But more so, it’s blatantly bigoted and the average American will be repelled by it.

It will come up and he will be bashed about it. It’s another example of an excitable newbie – just like Trump or Palladino – thinking he can say anything and it won’t hurt him.

YehuditTX on May 1, 2011 at 2:21 PM

He tries to make it about sharia law, but he said “Muslims.” It won’t fly.
http://youtu.be/aDXCwd65R5o

He declares that categorically Muslims would not swear to uphold the Constitution, or would lie about it.
http://youtu.be/9afhH0x7PQo

He’s trying to walk it back but it won’t fly. It’ll keep coming up, not only because it’s bigoted, but because it shows he’s reckless, like Trump or Palladino.

YehuditTX on May 1, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Cain has said that if elected he will not allow any Muslims in his cabinet. I think it’s on video. it was certainly reported by the MSM, so either he’ll have to ignore it or walk it back.

It’s unConstitutional – violates the Establisjment Clause. But more so, it’s blatantly bigoted and the average American will be repelled by it.

It will come up and he will be bashed about it. It’s another example of an excitable newbie – just like Trump or Palladino – thinking he can say anything and it won’t hurt him.

YehuditTX on May 1, 2011 at 2:21 PM

Until Moslems can co-exist with other religions in their midst, they can go hug a root and not receive recognition as a ‘religion of peace’. Nothing wrong with ‘bigotting’ a bigotted cult and the average American will not be repulsed by a leader de-elevating the spawn of Satan posing as a religion.

The Constitution is not a suicide pact and the average American recognizes that. It’s rather like WWII where one of our conditions for Japan was the de-deification of the Emperor as ‘god’, or that the ‘Aryan’ religion destroyed. By your lights, both would be unconstitutional and you’d be wrong on both counts.

But thanks for your concern.

AH_C on May 1, 2011 at 2:45 PM

Hmmm…It’s May 1. It’s not April 1.
What is gryphon drinking or smoking?

itsnotaboutme on May 1, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Are you telling me that Mike Wallace’s son is a dyed-in-the-wool conservative? Not beyond the pale, but pretty hard for me to believe.

gryphon202 on May 1, 2011 at 3:26 PM

For me, its Palin or whoever she endorses.

Mirimichi on May 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM

If she runs, there’s a distinct probability that we could have 16 continuous years of Mama Grizzly presidency… (Palin is 8 years younger, so 2020 really is her earliest time to run based on age)

phreshone on May 1, 2011 at 11:14 AM

Heavenly!

petefrt on May 1, 2011 at 5:31 PM

Bachmann sounds good, but lacks the necessary experience of actually managing or administering some significant organization or operation. We don’t need another lawyer in need of on the job training, even if closer to us ideologically.

Frankly, it’s just dumb to speak of her as Presidential material until she gets that experience.

Adjoran on May 1, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Count me as ALL IN for Bachmann.

Notice to RNC…………….I voted for McCain/Palin…(I would have stayed home if not for Palin)

Run another McCain and see what happens.

Talon on May 1, 2011 at 8:00 PM

For me, its Palin or whoever she endorses.

Mirimichi on May 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Sarah knows Nick Ayers well. He was one of the people she leaned on when decided to resign the governorship of Alaska. T-Paw getting him on board could give him some a leg up on her endorsement.

I don’t think much of Pawlenty just because he balanced a budget. That is required and doesn’t warrant bonus points. He did do an excellent job though in an interview with Hugh Hewitt this week. He was noticeably more committed and firmer on every issue than Hugh’s BFF Mitt Romney. Absolute no on raising the debt limit and a total thumbs down on the wretched traitor Tom Coburn and his bundle of new taxes.

If he stands firm on the issues he addressed with Hugh I could be persuaded.

rcl on May 2, 2011 at 12:01 AM