BREAKING: BIN LADEN DEAD; Update: Killed “deep inside Pakistan” today in a firefight; Update: Found in Abbottabad; Update: Linked to Umar Patek? Update: Details of assault; Update: Early intel came from Gitmo detainees

posted at 9:59 pm on May 1, 2011 by Allahpundit

From Patrick Ishmael:

Topic as yet unknown. Putting this up as a placeholder until the regular crew arrives. If you run across anything, flag it in the comments, and I’ll update this when appropriate. Stay tuned.

Update: The AP has a brief story up. Nothing that we don’t already know (or I guess, not know,) but that page may update as new information emerges. Worth keeping an eye on.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House says President Barack Obama is making a late-night statement but is not announcing the topic that he will discuss.

Officials say the statement could come as early as 10:30 p.m. EDT.

It is highly unusual that the president would make a late-night statement with not even a hint about what he would discuss.

At this writing, we’re about 10 minutes from speech time, and still no firm ideas as to the subject. Sam Stein tweets:

white house is mum on topic. and rightfully so, only 15 min wait. but one official says its “Important enough that you shld pay attention”

Update: Narrowing down the topics.

Breaking – We are told it is a national security related announcement by the President

Update: This may be historic news, or it may not. Rumors swinging around wildly on Twitter. We’ll wait for the speech. If you have news, shoot it to me here or send it to the comments.

Update: BIN LADEN.

From Allahpundit:

Update (AP): Fox News says he was killed in a missile strike last week and that they’ve been waiting on an announcement until they had DNA confirmation from the remains that it was him. If there was ever a question of discontinuing drone attacks in Pakistan, there won’t be after this.

In related news, Osama Bin Laden was alive as of last week?

Update (AP): One of the reasons I assumed he’d died years ago was that, if he was alive, surely he’d be taunting the U.S. with video messages. As it is, how many new videos of him have there been since 9/11? Two? He dropped almost completely off the grid and stayed there — for nine and a half years. Why? Just too gutless to show his face on camera lest we glean something from the video about his whereabouts?

Update (AP): I’m mighty, mighty curious to find out how much of a role Pakistan played in this too. Remember this story from just three weeks ago about how they wanted the U.S. to wind down the drone strikes and start removing CIA personnel? Maybe dropping a dime on Bin Laden’s location is their way of sweetening the pot. Now that we have our prize kill, the public might accept relaxing the pace of drone strikes.

Update (AP): The Times reported on a major drone strike in North Waziristan on April 22 that killed 23 people. Presumably that’s the one that got Bin Laden. Who else was with him in a crowd that big?

A choice quote:

The drone strike on Friday came after Admiral Mullen delivered an unusually harsh message during his visit here, saying publicly that Pakistan’s spy agency, Inter-Services Intelligence, directly supported and abetted the Haqqani network of militants in North Waziristan. The network’s militants are responsible for many of the American casualties in Afghanistan, American commanders say.

Update (AP): Hold the phone — I’m seeing conflicting reports of where he was killed and neither involve Waziristan. A banner on CNN.com says it was inside Afghanistan. And a tweet from Breaking News says, almost unbelievably, that it happened outside Islamabad, a.k.a. the capital of Pakistan. If the latter is true, there are going to be a lot of uncomfortable questions being asked come morning.

Update (AP): U.S. relations with Pakistan will never be the same if this is true:

Osama bin Laden was killed by U.S. forces in a mansion outside the Pakistani capital of Islamabad along with other family members, senior U.S. official tells CNN.

Does this mean he wasn’t killed in a missile strike but in some sort of special forces op? Why didn’t the Pakistani media notice?

Update (AP): Maybe it wasn’t a drone strike after all:

CBS: Osama was “shot in the head.”

Update (AP): Good point from Dave Weigel: Now that we’ve gotten the scalp we wanted the most, the public will probably be even more inclined to support withdrawal from Afghanistan. Which, of course, is what Pakistan’s been after for years. Again, I’m very curious to know just what role their intel services played. Especially if the almost unbelievable detail about where this happened is true.

Update (AP): CBS is saying that he was killed in Afghanistan. Stay tuned; Obama will speak shortly. It’s nice to think of him being gunned down by U.S. troops, though, rather than blown to bits by a missile. It’s sweet to think that some of our guys got to see the look on his face when they came through the door.

Update (AP): Reuters says it was indeed U.S. special forces that did the honors. Awesome.

Update (AP): Obama’s speaking now. They’ve been developing a hot lead on Bin Laden for months; they tracked him to a compound in a town “deep inside Pakistan” and it all went down today, not last week as initially reported. There was a firefight and — amazingly — no American troops were harmed. O’s trumpeting Pakistan’s cooperation as I write this, but that’s thin gruel given the questions that are coming about who knew what in the Pakistani government about OBL moving around “deep inside” the country.

Update (AP): The city where they got him is named Abbottabad. It’s not in the tribal areas; it’s in the northeastern part of the country, just 75 or so miles from the seat of government in Islamabad. A telling aside from O’s speech: He said that he called Pakistan’s president after the incident to let him know — which, presumably, means there wasn’t Pakistani cooperation after all. As I said earlier, relations between us will never be the same.

All credit to Obama, though, for pulling the trigger and sending troops in to take care of business. If OBL hadn’t been there or if things had gone wrong, this would have been an international clusterfark, especially given how deep they were inside the country. Well done.

Update (AP): Dubya speaks:

Earlier this evening, President Obama called to inform me that American forces killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of the al Qaeda network that attacked America on September 11, 2001. I congratulated him and the men and women of our military and intelligence communities who devoted their lives to this mission. They have our everlasting gratitude. This momentous achievement marks a victory for America, for people who seek peace around the world, and for all those who lost loved ones on September 11, 2001. The fight against terror goes on, but tonight America has sent an unmistakable message: No matter how long it takes, justice will be done.

Update (AP): Via Mediaite, Obama officially shares the good news:

Update (AP): A fascinating detail from blogger Anil Dash: Abbottabad is actually a tourist town in Pakistan. So much so that its Wikipedia entry has an entire section about it. It’s basically the opposite of a cave in the tribal areas. Presumably Bin Laden figured the U.S. would never look for him in a town like that. Marc Ambinder’s administration sources say they think Bin Laden was holed up in the compound for six months at least. Can’t wait to find out if that’s true, or if he was actually out and about at times mixing with the tourists.

Now, a question: Is this just a coincidence or something more?

Update (AP): A senior administration official confirms that Pakistani leaders weren’t briefed until after the attack. For all of O’s lip service tonight about how much we value our partnership with Islamabad, that speaks volumes.

Update (AP): A great question from Sultan al-Qassemi:

I wonder if Arab & world leaders will send Obama cables congratulating the US on killing OBL…

Update (AP): Nicholas Jackson of the Atlantic says the location of the compound has already been marked — by someone — on Google Maps. Follow the link and have a look. Assuming it’s correct, the compound is less than a thousand feet away from a (rundown) Pakistani police station.

Update (AP): WSJ reporter Tom Wright notes an amazing coincidence: Arch-terrorist and longtime Bin Laden crony Umar Patek was also captured in Abbottabad three months ago. Here’s a Jakarta Post story on the arrest published just two weeks ago. (Patek is Indonesian and was linked to the Bali bombings in 2002.) Pakistani intel is now claiming, per Wright, that they helped lead the U.S. to Bin Laden via information gleaned from Patek. That seems unlikely — apparently, we’ve known Bin Laden was in Abbottabad for six months or so, and if Pakistan was providing intel on OBL, Obama wouldn’t have waited until after today’s operation to phone Zardari. Still, it’s too startling a coincidence to actually be a coincidence. Did Patek lead us right to Bin Laden’s door by rendezvousing with him? And why didn’t Bin Laden run once Patek was picked up? He must have known by then that either Pakistan or the U.S. was interested in arresting local super-terrorists.

Update (AP): Howard Kurtz listened in on a conference call given by U.S. officials about the raid on the compound:

Security at the compound was “extraordinary,” an official said, with 12- to 18-foot walls topped by barbed wire. Yet the $1 million compound had no phone or Internet service. “Our best assessment was that bin Laden was living there with several family members, including his youngest wife,” the official said.

Asked what bin Laden did once the U.S. team landed, an official would say only: “He did resist the assault force.”

Officials said three other men were killed in the raid—one who is believed to be bin Laden’s adult son, and two couriers. One woman was killed when she was used as a shield by one of the combatants, they said. The U.S. team lost a helicopter due to mechanical failure.

I can’t wait for the full details tomorrow and then, in a year or two, the inevitable movie. More from ABC News and Brian Ross. It was, of course, the Navy SEALs who were the tip of the spear:

The U.S. had been monitoring the compound in Abbottabad for months after receiving a tip in August that Bin Laden might be seeking shelter there. He had long been said to be in the mountainous region along the Afghanistan, Pakistan border, hiding in a cave as the U.S. sought to kill him with drone strikes from above. Instead, he was in a house eight times larger than its neighbors, with a seven-foot wall and valued at $1 million. The house had no phone of television and the residents burned their trash. The house had high windows and few points of access, and U.S. officials concluded it had been built to hide someone.

According to U.S. officials, two U.S. helicopters swept into the compound at 1:30 and 2:00 a.m. Sunday morning. Twenty to 25 U.S. Navy Seals under the command of the Joint Special Operations Command in cooperation with the CIA stormed the compound and engaged Bin Laden and his men in a firefight, killed Bin Laden and all those with him.

Pakistani officials say it was a joint operation; U.S. officials say that only Americans were involved in the raid. Hmmmm. Oh — and Bin Laden did, reportedly, fire his gun. Savor the terror he must have felt in those last moments as those SEALs came through the windows and doors.

Update (AP): Amazing. This Pakistani IT consultant lives in Abbottabad and ended up tweeting about strange goings-on this morning without knowing the significance, of course. A few choice tweets:

Helicopter hovering above Abbottabad at 1AM (is a rare event).

A huge window shaking bang here in Abbottabad Cantt. I hope its not the start of something nasty :-S

the few people online at this time of the night are saying one of the copters was not Pakistani…

I wonder which cable news net will land the first interview with him tomorrow.

Update (AP): Tourism isn’t the only thing Abbottabad is known for:

A medium-sized city, Abbottabad is home to a large Pakistani military base, a military academy of the Pakistani army, and a major hospital and other facilities that would could have served as support for Osama bin Laden.

A senior Indonesian militant, Umar Patek, was arrested in Abbottabad earlier this year. Mr. Patek was protected by a Qaeda operative, a postal clerk who worked under cover at the main post office, a signal that Al Qaeda may have had other operatives in the area.

Here’s a Google satellite photo of what may or may not be the compound. Yochi Dreazen, National Journal’s national security correspondent, tweets, “Military source tells me #Seals built a full-scale mockup of #bin Ladin’s compound and spent weeks practicing the raid and learning layout.”

Update: An Al-Arabiya correspondent claims that two of Bin Laden’s wives and four of his sons were captured during the raid. Apparently, the key to the whole operation was finding and tracking Bin Laden’s most trusted courier, a process that took years — and involved info given by Guantanamo detainees:

Some time after Sept. 11, detainees held by the U.S. told interrogators about a man believed to work as a courier for bin Laden, senior administration officials said. The man was described by detainees as a protégé of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and “one of the few Al Qaeda couriers trusted by bin laden.”

Initially, intelligence officials only had the man’s nickname, but they discovered his real name four years ago.

Two years ago, intelligence officials began to identify areas of Pakistan where the courier and his brother operated, and the great security precautions the two men took aroused U.S. suspicions.

Last August, intelligence officials tracked the men to their residence in Abbottabad, Pakistan, a relatively wealthy town 35 miles north of Islamabad where many retired military officers live.

Ultimately, it was the conspicuous size and security precautions taken at the compound that made it stand out. And when they got further intel that a family roughly the size of Bin Laden’s was living there, they nailed it down. In other words, Osama was, for all intents and purposes, hiding in plain sight.

Also: U.S. officials confirmed that Pakistan was not, in fact, informed before the operation.

Update (AP): It’s 2 a.m. and we probably know all we’re going to know tonight. Jazz Shaw will pick this up in the morning with an early thread on new developments. I feel strangely low key about the news, to my surprise; since it broke a few hours ago, I’ve been thinking of the sound the second plane made when it hit the second tower. Nothing will undo it, not even this. But it’s rewarding to know that Bin Laden spent 10 long years hiding his face from the world and that, when the moment of truth came, he had to look Americans in the eye. It’s better than a happy ending. It’s a just one.


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Feed his body to the pigs.

GarandFan on May 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM

Feed his body to the pigs.

GarandFan on May 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM

Too late, unless they’ll eat shark $hit…

OmahaConservative on May 2, 2011 at 10:09 AM

Come on guys…America’s worst enemy killed by our courageous military, and we can’t even surpass the comments in a typical evolution/creation thread?

Let’s get busy!

fossten on May 2, 2011 at 10:14 AM

Feed his body to the pigs.

GarandFan on May 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM

Let’s hope our guys took souvenirs.

slickwillie2001 on May 2, 2011 at 10:15 AM

Here’s hoping the Nobel-Peace-Prize-Winner-In-Chief doesn’t try to claim the $25M reward.

TimBuk3 on May 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM

I don’t get how they got that many people back out on one 47, though. Last night people were talking about 40 SEALS being involved in the raid. Plus OBLs body and whoever else they captured, plus the crew from the other 47.

BadgerHawk on May 2, 2011 at 9:18 AM

Prolly a CH53 varient. They can lift their own weight and fly. Not a big deal to pile in a second crew, even sporting a combat load.

Alden Pyle on May 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM

Today’s a great day. Everyone enjoy it.

BadgerHawk on May 2, 2011 at 10:20 AM

Here’s hoping the Nobel-Peace-Prize-Winner-In-Chief doesn’t try to claim the $25M reward.

TimBuk3 on May 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM

Now that was funny.

unseen on May 2, 2011 at 10:22 AM

Justice! Thanks to all involved, especially the brave warriors that went in after him and those that gave their lives to get us to this point.

Hat tip to Obama for keeping the search for Bin Laden going.

Vince on May 2, 2011 at 10:26 AM

They said they buried his body at sea.

Hopefully, they kept his HEAD and will put it on a pike on Ground Zero.

Mazztek on May 2, 2011 at 10:35 AM

Welcome back – my personal biographer.

jake-the-goose on May 2, 2011 at 9:25 AM

I have one of those too. Interesting bunch some of these folks. They seem not to think we are all measuring our words to run for office someday. While in reality it is more a snap shot reaction to unfolding events. I don’t claime to be right more than half the time.

petunia on May 2, 2011 at 10:36 AM

They said they buried his body at sea.

Hopefully, they kept his HEAD and will put it on a pike on Ground Zero.

Mazztek on May 2, 2011 at 10:35 AM

Osama will be a martyr no matter what. I appreciate the effort, but these people are who they are, and they will hold his name in great respect for all his many murders.

They worship evil, Osama is evil.

petunia on May 2, 2011 at 10:40 AM

I don’t claime to be right more than half the time.

petunia on May 2, 2011 at 10:36 AM

For the most part – it’s incredible what you can learn through these interactions – the people are mostly fantastic.

Communicating through a keyboard affords some people the luxury of being hostile – for little or no reason other than it’s easy when you don’t have to look someone in the eyes.

All in all – great people.

jake-the-goose on May 2, 2011 at 10:44 AM

I feel strange about this. I’m happy he’s dead but still constantly reminded that his death won’t change anything. And because it’s been so long, and we’re already so weary, it probably will convince most of us that we’ve done enough rather than giving us the push to see that we finish what we started. I wish this could have happened early in 2000, but nothing can take away from the fact that it finally happened, not even trolls who think Bush had nothing whatsoever to do with this.

I’ll give the president his due. I truly appreciate his part in this and the risk he took in making sure we had proof. I hope the liberals will do the same for Bush, but I ultimately don’t care if they decide to abandon class as we’ve seen countless other times when political opportunity beaconed.

Esthier on May 2, 2011 at 10:44 AM

Video announcements:
George W. Bush on the capture of Saddam. Total time 3:57
Number of time he refered to himself (the word “I”) : 3(all instances were not refering to his personal actions)

Barrak H Obama on the death of OBL. Total time 9:25
Number of time he refered to himself (the word “I”) : 9(excluding all the we, us and our, 4 instances were not refering to his personal actions)

Who is the more presidental?

mechkiller_k on May 2, 2011 at 10:48 AM

Now I lay me down to sleep…one less terrorist this world does keep…with all my heart I give my thanks…to those in uniform regardless of ranks…you serve our country and serve it well…with humble hearts your stories tell…so as I rest my weary eyes…while freedom rings our flag still flies…you give your all, do what you must…with God we live and God we trust….Amen.***

Katfish on May 2, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Heh…2:00 AM. Knock, knock.

Alden Pyle on May 2, 2011 at 11:04 AM

I don’t know if he is or not. I tend to think not, but without proof can we really say for sure with those cockroaches? I wouldn’t take ANYBODY’S word alone for something like this-LET ALONE a pathological, criminal LIAR like Obama.

dave_ross on May 2, 2011 at 8:19 AM
So, if OBL was still alive, could we expect a tape to surface at some point, thus completely discrediting and highly embarrassing Obama and the US Government?

fossten on May 2, 2011 at 8:25 AM

Absolutely-of course who knows when that would be? Is there not the possibility that Osama would want us to think he’s dead? Is there not the possibility that we did get close, and that his him on the run again? I haven’t seen any proof one way or the other have you? But I have a big problem believing someone like Obama who is a pathological liar. His not a big fan of speaking truth.

dave_ross on May 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM

Absolutely-of course who knows when that would be? Is there not the possibility that Osama would want us to think he’s dead? Is there not the possibility that we did get close, and that his him on the run again? I haven’t seen any proof one way or the other have you? But I have a big problem believing someone like Obama who is a pathological liar. His not a big fan of speaking truth.

dave_ross on May 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM

So, when all the details come out, like the DNA evidence that has already been produced, will you believe them or will you cling to your conspiracy theory?

fossten on May 2, 2011 at 11:11 AM

Daily Kosalopolis saying we should not be celebrating the death of Osama.

slickwillie2001 on May 2, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Our nation’s enemies within the media and elsewhere are identifying themselves as we speak. Take note!

d1carter on May 2, 2011 at 11:21 AM

“An unnamed DOD source would neither confirm nor deny that 300 pounds of pure pork sausage was requisitioned just before the mission”.

nimrod on May 2, 2011 at 11:21 AM

Who is the more presidental?

mechkiller_k on May 2, 2011 at 10:48 AM

Who got the job done? The one with focus.

trailboss on May 2, 2011 at 11:21 AM

hawkdriver on May 2, 2011 at 9:22 AM

Its a MH-60S Seahawk (Naval/Marine variant of the Blackhawk, optimized for shipboard operations)

Wolftech on May 2, 2011 at 11:32 AM

Daily Kosalopolis saying we should not be celebrating the death of Osama.

slickwillie2001 on May 2, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Why not? It is a great thing. I wish Obama’s speech would have been better and the WH didn’t make this inot a politcal football but I have no reason not to be overjoyed in OBL’s defeat.

unseen on May 2, 2011 at 11:32 AM

trailboss on May 2, 2011 at 11:21 AM

Good thing he had all those tools set up by his predecessor to “focus” on.

fesofee on May 2, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Who got the job done? The one with focus.

trailboss on May 2, 2011 at 11:21 AM

Yes you are right. I am sure it was the last thing he thought about each night before he went to sleep. And he had a laser like focus on OBL and nothing else. /sarc

mechkiller_k on May 2, 2011 at 11:35 AM

Who got the job done?

trailboss on May 2, 2011 at 11:21 AM

The U.S. Military

dominigan on May 2, 2011 at 11:37 AM

I don’t get how they got that many people back out on one 47, though. Last night people were talking about 40 SEALS being involved in the raid. Plus OBLs body and whoever else they captured, plus the crew from the other 47.

BadgerHawk on May 2, 2011 at 9:18 AM

Prolly a CH53 varient. They can lift their own weight and fly. Not a big deal to pile in a second crew, even sporting a combat load.

Alden Pyle on May 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM

Saw on the news this am (Fox?) that they had a third emergency chopped fueled & ready in case of an incident. They said it took off, but did not state that it got there to help with the extraction.

mdenis39 on May 2, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Congrats and a job well done to Obama & the military team that made the decision to execute OSB rather than drop a bomb. Much more satisfactory feeling taking the body out too. Great job Obama. I’m still not voting for you though.

mdenis39 on May 2, 2011 at 11:45 AM

Who got the job done? The one with focus.

trailboss on May 2, 2011 at 11:21 AM

I am with ya on that.

mechkiller_k on May 2, 2011 at 11:48 AM

Who got the job done? The one with focus.

trailboss on May 2, 2011 at 11:21 AM

Completing the job took at least 4 years. It was working together and not rejecting the work already done for him and moving on with it that allowed him to get the job done. This isn’t a competition. If either man had done less than what was required of him, this wouldn’t have happened. And of course the same is true of the men who actually took the shot. No one person made this happen.

Esthier on May 2, 2011 at 11:52 AM

Congratulations, America and the world. One less bad guy.

It’s funny, I don’t feel really happy about this, just very solemn. This is a huge day.

Rosmerta on May 2, 2011 at 12:05 PM

Who is the more presidental?

mechkiller_k on May 2, 2011 at 10:48 AM

‎”I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.”
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

cornfedbubba on May 2, 2011 at 12:15 PM

cornfedbubba on May 2, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Of course that’s not even the actual quote or the point of the quote.

Bush: Who knows if he’s hiding in some cave or not. We haven’t heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don’t understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He’s just a person who’s been marginalized…. I don’t know where he is. I really just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you.

Obviously he was always a priority. He was just never The War on Terror but rather, a part of it. Not that partisanship will allow you to see any of this.

Esthier on May 2, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Who is the more presidental?
mechkiller_k on May 2, 2011 at 10:48 AM
‎”I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.”
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
cornfedbubba on May 2, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Are you really this retarded?

Killing Osama is a great accomplishment but he hasn’t been an operational threat to us for a long time. He’d mostly become a figurehead.

gwelf on May 2, 2011 at 12:32 PM

Obama the hypocrite.

In November 2009 the Obama Administration charged 4 Navy SEALS with assault for slapping terrorist mastermind Ahmed Hashim Abed and giving him a fat lip.

One of the Navy SEALS was cleared of charges in April 2010.

The SEALS were accused of mistreating a wanted Iraqi terrorist who was behind the murder of 4 US contractors in Fallujah in 2004.

jake-the-goose on May 2, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Killing Osama is a great accomplishment but he hasn’t been an operational threat to us for a long time. He’d mostly become a figurehead.

gwelf on May 2, 2011 at 12:32 PM

Tell that to the families of those who died on 9/11 and in every other terror attack he was responsible for.

cornfedbubba on May 2, 2011 at 12:34 PM

all that i can say to all my american friends is…. cheers from India.

nagee76 on May 2, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Who is the more presidental?
mechkiller_k on May 2, 2011 at 10:48 AM
‎”I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.”
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
cornfedbubba on May 2, 2011 at 12:15 PM

I see your theory of Obama’s unique contribution is that he gave the order when Bush wouldn’t have given the same choice? Even though Obama has essentially an operational continuation of Bush.

I give Obama credit for doing so but to pretend this outcome can only be chalked up to him is ridiculous.

gwelf on May 2, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Tell that to the families of those who died on 9/11 and in every other terror attack he was responsible for.

cornfedbubba on May 2, 2011 at 12:34 PM

liberal opinion turns on a dime.

hawkdriver on May 2, 2011 at 12:40 PM

Tell that to the families of those who died on 9/11 and in every other terror attack he was responsible for.

cornfedbubba on May 2, 2011 at 12:34 PM

And you misquoted him on purpose?

hawkdriver on May 2, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Killing Osama is a great accomplishment but he hasn’t been an operational threat to us for a long time. He’d mostly become a figurehead.
gwelf on May 2, 2011 at 12:32 PM
Tell that to the families of those who died on 9/11 and in every other terror attack he was responsible for.
cornfedbubba on May 2, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Tell them what – that now that Osama is dead we’re done and terrorism and Al Qaeda are now no more? This isn’t over yet.

gwelf on May 2, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Esthier, great catch on the misquote. I swear to God that half of the trolls here wish in their dreams for something similar befall President Bush and Vice-President Cheney.

hawkdriver on May 2, 2011 at 12:49 PM

hawkdriver on May 2, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Ask the lefties: Since there is no war on terror, and since 9-11 was an “inside job,” why are they celebrating again?

jake-the-goose on May 2, 2011 at 12:49 PM

Esthier, great catch on the misquote. I swear to God that half of the trolls here wish in their dreams for something similar befall President Bush and Vice-President Cheney.

hawkdriver on May 2, 2011 at 12:49 PM

Thanks, but I’m sure everyone knew the quote was wrong from the get go. There are a lot of things you can say about Bush, but the idea that he didn’t consider Osama a priority is one that completely defies even imagination.

And yes, we know all too well how many trolls view America’s “real” enemies, Bush and Cheney. Bill Maher let it slip once. Luckily Allah and Ed wouldn’t tolerate that here.

Esthier on May 2, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Killing Osama is a great accomplishment but he hasn’t been an operational threat to us for a long time. He’d mostly become a figurehead.

gwelf on May 2, 2011 at 12:32 PM

Yea, especially since he was living in a cave. Oh, wait….perhaps he was living, communicating, using couriers more than we assumed, no?

NextGen on May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM

U.S. forces also recovered what a senior Intelligence official is calling “quite a bit of material.”

“There’s a robust collection of materials we need to sift through, and we hope to find valuable intelligence that will lead us to other players in Al Qaeda,” a senior intelligence official said.

Just a figure head…right…

NextGen on May 2, 2011 at 1:07 PM

Just a figure head…right…

NextGen on May 2, 2011 at 1:07 PM

I’m not sure anyone assumed he knew nothing.

Esthier on May 2, 2011 at 1:09 PM

I’m not sure anyone assumed he knew nothing.

Esthier on May 2, 2011 at 1:09 PM

Understood..I’m just saying we may need to take a new look at the assumptions made about OBL. That compound was built from bare land in 2005 so who knows how involved he’s been in AQ. Perhaps a figure head, perhaps much more..there is no way to know until the int folks go trough the papers and computers they got.

NextGen on May 2, 2011 at 1:12 PM

Keep this in mind folks…..we are fighting an idea, not a man. We are fighting a culture that is a cancer on mans humanity,,,we need to pull it out by the roots. OBLs death is but a footnote,albeit an important one, in this war. It has been going on since the 7th century, they just have different weapons now. There needs to be many more night raids until these MF’s learn that Islam as they want to practice it, is a death sentence, end of story. Welcome to the modern world.

retiredeagle on May 2, 2011 at 1:15 PM

Bush: from above 3/13 misquoted press conference:

See, that’s the thing the American people have got to understand, that we’ve only been at this six months. This is going to be a long struggle. I keep saying that; I don’t know whether you all believe me or not. But time will show you that it’s going to take a long time to achieve this objective. And I can assure you, I am not going to blink. And I’m not going to get tired. Because I know what is at stake.

Link that elaborates on this false “Osama not a priority” meme.

G. Charles on May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM

Understood..I’m just saying we may need to take a new look at the assumptions made about OBL. That compound was built from bare land in 2005 so who knows how involved he’s been in AQ. Perhaps a figure head, perhaps much more..there is no way to know until the int folks go trough the papers and computers they got.

NextGen on May 2, 2011 at 1:12 PM

Sure, and I’ve been hoping they’ve been operating without these kinds of assumptions all along. Maybe he wasn’t involved in day to day operations, but when it comes to a target this high up, it’s stupid to assume anything. We can obviously, but that’s because our opinions are meaningless.

Esthier on May 2, 2011 at 1:18 PM

NEXT!

OkieDoc on May 2, 2011 at 1:20 PM

I can’t wait for the full details tomorrow and then, in a year or two, the inevitable movie.

[Emphasis added.]

Allah,

If you can’t figure out that the movie, starring the heroic Obama, will be scheduled for release a month befor the 2012 presidential elections, you’re losing it.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on May 2, 2011 at 1:24 PM

Killing Osama is a great accomplishment but he hasn’t been an operational threat to us for a long time. He’d mostly become a figurehead.
gwelf on May 2, 2011 at 12:32 PM
Yea, especially since he was living in a cave. Oh, wait….perhaps he was living, communicating, using couriers more than we assumed, no?
NextGen on May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM

He wasn’t involved to the extent he used to be. It may be that he was more than just a figurehead buy the point is that dealing with Osama was a priority for Bush and Obama and that the threat we face is much bigger than Osama.

gwelf on May 2, 2011 at 1:27 PM

Legal question:

crr6: Did POTUS violate Muslim law with this whole burial at sea thingy?

Khun Joe on May 2, 2011 at 1:27 PM

He wasn’t involved to the extent he used to be. It may be that he was more than just a figurehead buy the point is that dealing with Osama was a priority for Bush and Obama and that the threat we face is much bigger than Osama.

gwelf on May 2, 2011 at 1:27 PM

You have more confidence than I in knowing what is actual roll has been recently. Perhaps a none, a figure head, fully in charge. All I’m saying is since the idea that he wasn’t involved was predicated on the fact he was living in a cave cut off, perhaps it’s a good time to wait for the facts to come out.

NextGen on May 2, 2011 at 1:36 PM

He wasn’t involved to the extent he used to be. It may be that he was more than just a figurehead buy the point is that dealing with Osama was a priority for Bush and Obama and that the threat we face is much bigger than Osama.
gwelf on May 2, 2011 at 1:27 PM
You have more confidence than I in knowing what is actual roll has been recently. Perhaps a none, a figure head, fully in charge. All I’m saying is since the idea that he wasn’t involved was predicated on the fact he was living in a cave cut off, perhaps it’s a good time to wait for the facts to come out.
NextGen on May 2, 2011 at 1:36 PM

To be more clear…
I think you are correct that we don’t know what his involvement was. I think it’s likely his role was diminished and at the very least the way Al Qaeda operated changed after we engaged them.

Regardless I think we’ve sent a clear message to the other terrorist leaders out there: we found Osama – well find you.

gwelf on May 2, 2011 at 1:48 PM

Since the libs are falling all over themselves this morning; I take it that they are now okay with waterboarding?

GarandFan on May 2, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Tell that to the families of those who died on 9/11 and in every other terror attack he was responsible for.

cornfedbubba on May 2, 2011 at 12:34 PM

How about you apologizing for misquoting President Bush…if you were a real man, that is what you would do.

right2bright on May 2, 2011 at 2:15 PM

As much as despise Obama, as much as he has tried to dismantle the purpose of the service men, as much as he tried to stop the very thing that created this victory, mainly waterboarding terrorists, and Gitmo.
The credit goes to him to finally admit that the only good Osama is a dead Osama, and my understanding is that he ordered the “kill him” if you get the chance.
Can’t fault him for getting one important thing correct…God knows it has taken him almost three years and the mentoring from President Bush, but give him credit, he allowed our military to do what they do best.

right2bright on May 2, 2011 at 2:19 PM

The coolest quote: “He was taken out by a double tap to the head”…

right2bright on May 2, 2011 at 2:22 PM

I’ll be waiting for the Call of Duty episode that includes this.

MadisonConservative on May 2, 2011 at 2:28 PM

Wow. 3k plus comments. Is this a Palin thread? :D

USA! USA! USA!

RedNewEnglander on May 2, 2011 at 2:41 PM

While it may be a bit crass, I was half expecting the fabled robot vid…

looking4statesmen on May 2, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Can’t resist – “That’s a Big F–ng Deal”!!!

Who is John Galt on May 2, 2011 at 3:26 PM

While it may be a bit crass, I was half expecting the fabled robot vid…

looking4statesmen on May 2, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Yeah, where’s the…HUMPBOT!!

Who is John Galt on May 2, 2011 at 3:27 PM

Where is Code Pink in all of this?

right2bright on May 2, 2011 at 3:35 PM

Don’t lose focus on the important things folks. Let’s all be DAMNED HAPPY that this didn’t interfere with 0bumble’s appearance on Oprah today.

FlatlanderByTheLake on May 2, 2011 at 3:36 PM

all that i can say to all my american friends is…. cheers from India.

nagee76 on May 2, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Thank you! And a big friendly hello to you from California. Ever since I was a little girl, I’ve wanted to visit your beautiful country. I think I’ll finally be able to make the trip next year.

Mary in LA on May 2, 2011 at 4:07 PM

Wow. 3k plus comments. Is this a Palin thread? :D

USA! USA! USA!

RedNewEnglander on May 2, 2011 at 2:41 PM

It’s almost as busy as a creation/evolution thread.

fossten on May 2, 2011 at 4:11 PM

Everyone is screaming at the top of their lungs how wonderful the military is and correctly so. BUT it was just 3 weeks ago that the democrats in congress and the president had the military shitting their pants because of the threatened budget battle and they were not going to get paid.
I would like to see every one call congress and demand that no matter what happens in the budget battle that their pay happens before that of the president or congress. They walk the talk, they lay down their lives for us. We need to do battle here at home for them.

ColdWarrior57 on May 2, 2011 at 4:12 PM

Osama dead; hardest hit: Bert.

BobMbx on May 2, 2011 at 4:20 PM

all that i can say to all my american friends is…. cheers from India.

nagee76 on May 2, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Thanks! India and Japan are two countries I have a special fondness for.
It’s a good day. Wish we had some photos of the dead body.

JellyToast on May 2, 2011 at 4:59 PM

obama just pwned all of you wingnuts.

sesquipedalian on May 2, 2011 at 7:50 AM

I’m not sure you know what that word means. We wanted him dead. Preferably in a more humiliating manner, but it’s not pwning someone when you give them what they want. We weren’t pwned when Obama kept GITMO open either.

Just love all the partisan BS in these threads over what should have been a unifying victory. Still, it could be worse. We may dislike each other over petty political disagreements, but at least we’re not warring over them or watching our politicians compete in duels over them.

Esthier on May 2, 2011 at 5:01 PM

I bet a buck that Quadaffi guy surrenders again….

Don L on May 2, 2011 at 5:10 PM

We may dislike each other over petty political disagreements, but at least we’re not warring over them or watching our politicians compete in duels over them.

Esthier on May 2, 2011 at 5:01 PM

True, but while we freely debate one of our political parties is responsible for the deaths of hundreds more innocent babies.

Small humans are still 100% human! Dueling with swords would be a lot less deadly.

Don L on May 2, 2011 at 5:14 PM

just the usual apologizing, bowing to our enemies and coddling terrorists.

conservatives are idiots, aren’t they?

sesquipedalian on May 2, 2011 at 7:36 AM

Here’s the deal, shltheel.

You and your cohorts are usually wrong about everything. This time your Jugeared Jesus got it right.

If it weren’t for your “conservative idiots”, the groundwork would never have been laid for Ojesus’ stroke of genius finally a chance to get something right.

I congratulate our troops for a job well done; I congratulate our President on the right move at the right time, and I congratulate you for continuing to be a flat-headed moron.

You are much appreciated.

hillbillyjim on May 2, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Bye bye, baby!

hillbillyjim on May 2, 2011 at 5:26 PM

True, but while we freely debate one of our political parties is responsible for the deaths of hundreds more innocent babies.

Small humans are still 100% human! Dueling with swords would be a lot less deadly.

Don L on May 2, 2011 at 5:14 PM

This is off topic, so let’s not devote much time to it, but neither political party has clean hands in this issue, and neither is directly involved the way they were with the Civil War and the duel I mentioned (though they used guns, not swords).

I’m pro-life, but you’ve missed my point, intentionally I think.

Esthier on May 2, 2011 at 5:30 PM

40 Seals specially chosen for loyalty to Obama might lie about it, I don’t know.
FloatingRock on May 2, 2011 at 2:46 AM
Including the proper context of my statement my original point was that talk is cheep, I want Obama to
FloatingRock on May 2, 2011 at 6:58 AM

The proper context?

SEALS loyalty to Obama.

Buckie, the loyalty of our troops is to America and American’s not to Obama or any POTUSA. It is an insult to every person who has ever served to suggest something different without some STRONG evidence.
We are not yet a “Banana Republic”.

“might lie about it”

Buckie, SEALS pride themselves on honesty and integrity, and your first reaction is to suggest they are liars? Based on what? your own lack of honesty and integrity?
Have you stopped beating your wife?
Have you stopped rapping young children?
Have you stopped fornicating with small farm animals?

“I don’t know”

That’s an understatement!

DSchoen on May 2, 2011 at 5:50 PM

I’m pro-life,
Esthier on May 2, 2011 at 5:30 PM

You’ve done a lot of excuse making for the pro-aborts in the past.

CWforFreedom on May 2, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Political cartoon that somes it all up on the Bush vs Obama part in the death of OBL.

mechkiller_k on May 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM

WOW. I post a link to a cartoon and started a flame war.
I feel soooo, Jehadist

mechkiller_k on May 2, 2011 at 6:42 PM

You’ve done a lot of excuse making for the pro-aborts in the past.

CWforFreedom on May 2, 2011 at 6:19 PM

I don’t know what you’re talking about. I make excuses for no one.

Esthier on May 2, 2011 at 7:00 PM

or watching our politicians compete in duels over them.

Esthier on May 2, 2011 at 5:01 PM

I wish our pols WOULD duel. Damn, then there would be 50% fewer of them!

Who is John Galt on May 2, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Just dropped in to say to all you “DEATHERS” out there !!! I TOLD YOU SO !!!!!

PS I am now officially on your side ! :)

cableguy615 on May 2, 2011 at 7:55 PM

You effers wait ’til I get my granny glasses on.

Now you’re in one.

hillbillyjim on May 2, 2011 at 9:11 PM

You’ve done a lot of excuse making for the pro-aborts in the past.

CWforFreedom on May 2, 2011 at 6:19 PM

CW, I’m a big fan, so don’t get pissed when I tell you that Esthier is a friend on the very issue that you are holding forth about.

Esthier has her own sensibilities and she owns them, readily. That is to be admired, not castigated. Esthier is one of us when the dust settles because she has a sensible mind and can penetrate bullshlt better than I. This is a friend whether or not anyone realizes it; she just has a jaundiced eye towards anything that everyone declares certain. That’s my best educated (ha ha) guess, anyway.

hillbillyjim on May 2, 2011 at 9:19 PM

Mighty fine day today. Beautiful weather. Ahhh…

Cody Baker on May 2, 2011 at 9:26 PM

hillbilly has been politically incorrect again; post evaporated.

Gee thanx.

hillbillyjim on May 2, 2011 at 9:30 PM

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