Glenn Beck on Trump: Thank goodness there’s finally a candidate who knows how to curse at our enemies

posted at 8:37 pm on April 29, 2011 by Allahpundit

Via Mediaite, weapons-grade sarcasm aimed squarely at Trump’s empty bravado. A commenter in the earlier thread sneered at me for dumping on him, praising his “alphalicious” Vegas speech as something a beta male predictably wouldn’t appreciate. In fact, that’s one of my secret pleasures in watching his candidacy — observing how some “true conservatives” (not all or most, but some) who’ve spent years ripping on RINOs will instantly start cooing over a tough-talking populist even though he’s betrayed every core right-wing principle in the book. Are you opposed to universal health care and eminent domain abuse and taxes on the rich and protectionism? Well, Trump’s been in favor of all of them at one time or another, but since he’s willing to pound the table about Obama’s birth certificate and tell the Chinese to go f*** themselves, I guess we’ll let it slide. Like Mark Levin, Beck’s standards are higher than that. Too bad that’s not true across the board.

On a possibly related note, Gallup’s out with a new poll today that holds bad news for tea partiers:

It’s almost impossible to draw a conclusion from that given that the last numbers were taken in January. A lot’s happened since — the budget battles, Trump’s rise, even the Tucson shooting for which Republican rhetoric was unfairly blamed. But here’s an interesting favorable/unfavorable finding in the demographic breakdown:

I.e. there’s a strong correlation between how people view the tea party and how people view Trump. Beck, Levin, Rand Paul and a number of others are trying to undo that, which is why I’m thinking that Trump’s “surprise announcement” may be that he’s going to bypass the GOP and run as a third-party candidate. He has no future in the primary, but as a high-profile independent running an inexpensive bare-bones populist campaign with attention-getting speeches like last night’s, he could probably grab enough votes from the GOP to swing the election. That would give him something to crow about — “I decided the presidency,” etc — which is realistically the best he could hope for. We’ll see.


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Are you opposed to universal health care and eminent domain abuse and taxes on the rich and protectionism? Well, Trump’s been in favor of all of them at one time or another, but since he’s willing to pound the table about Obama’s birth certificate and tell the Chinese to go f*** themselves, I guess we’ll let it slide.

5 years later, he hasn’t lost his edge.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2011 at 8:39 PM

If only we could nominate MadisonConservative….

cynccook on April 29, 2011 at 8:39 PM

Oops. Oh hi, MadCon, I didn’t see you there. :-D

cynccook on April 29, 2011 at 8:40 PM

observing how some “true conservatives” (not all or most, but some) who’ve spent years ripping on RINOs will instantly start cooing over a tough-talking populist even though he’s betrayed every core right-wing principle in the book.

Seriously. It’s hypocritical and nauseating.

MikeknaJ on April 29, 2011 at 8:40 PM

Considering the turn out numbers on 4/15 this year, I think the Tea Party believes that their mission was accomplished in November. And I also think that is so wrong.

Cindy Munford on April 29, 2011 at 8:41 PM

If the Tea Party is so unpopular, why then are we growing in numbers?

Kini on April 29, 2011 at 8:43 PM

In fact, that’s one of my secret pleasures in watching his candidacy — observing how some “true conservatives” (not all or most, but some) who’ve spent years ripping on RINOs will instantly start cooing over a tough-talking populist even though he’s betrayed every core right-wing principle in the book.

Everybody loves a tough talker. Including you. Liking and electing are two very very different things.

Cindy Munford on April 29, 2011 at 8:44 PM

Meh…
Trump is a three-ring circus.
Albeit a fun one.
The vulgar f-bombs are over the top but if he keeps getting under 0bama’s skin, I’m good…

OmahaConservative on April 29, 2011 at 8:44 PM

I’ve had it with these motherf**king combovers on this motherf**king populist!

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2011 at 8:46 PM

The TEA party is not a conservative movement, it’s a fiscal responsibility movement.

freedomplow on April 29, 2011 at 8:46 PM

Hitch your social wagon somewhere else.

freedomplow on April 29, 2011 at 8:47 PM

freedomplow on April 29, 2011 at 8:46 PM

I think most think it is a fiscally conservative movement.

Cindy Munford on April 29, 2011 at 8:47 PM

Trump is a non-issue suit. He’s not addressing policy.
Other than talking Shiite, the suit is stuffed with hot air.

With all due respect to Hot Air.

Kini on April 29, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Never thought that Beck was into shark-jumping, but tonight on O’Rielly, he devolved in a cheap smartass.

Bye Glenn. It was great while it lasted.

Mr. Grump on April 29, 2011 at 8:48 PM

I’ve had it with these motherf**king combovers on this motherf**king populist!

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2011 at 8:46 PM

Yeah, that’s the ticket! That just oozes sincerity! Rock on with your populist f-bombing! That makes me, an illiterate rube here in flyover country feel like you mean what you say! Also, do you own a pickup truck?

cynccook on April 29, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Trump Triumphantly Triumphs and Heralds In
The F-Bomb to Modern Politics!!

Now,there is only 2,int he Political F-Bomb
Hall of Fame!!

Dick Cheney was the first,who had style and I
must admit,a beautiful art form,especially,when
he told that Democrat to go ‘BOINK HIMSELF’!!:)

canopfor on April 29, 2011 at 8:49 PM

The TEA party is not a conservative movement, it’s a fiscal responsibility movement.

And nothing says “fiscal responsibility” like a guy who’s filed for bankruptcy.

Slublog on April 29, 2011 at 8:50 PM

Mr. Grump on April 29, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Awww. I enjoyed it.

rbj on April 29, 2011 at 8:50 PM

Never thought that Beck was into shark-jumping, but tonight on O’Rielly, he devolved in a cheap smartass.

Bye Glenn. It was great while it lasted.

Mr. Grump on April 29, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Sorry, it should have said, devolved INTO a cheap smartass. Phat phingers strikes again.

Mr. Grump on April 29, 2011 at 8:50 PM

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) on Thursday took a swipe at billionaire businessman Donald Trump, demanding to see his “Republican registration.”

While speaking at a breakfast with New Hampshire Republicans one day after “The Donald” visited the Granite State, Paul riffed off the potential GOP presidential candidate’s “birther” questions.

“I’ve come to New Hampshire today because I’m very concerned,” said Paul, according to The New York Times. “I want to see the original long-form certificate of Donald Trump’s Republican registration.”

Run, Rand. Run.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2011 at 8:51 PM

The only thing that saved the TEa party for utter ruin and destruction of the ROn Paul type is Palin’s leadership and messaging during 2010. She made the TEa party about Reagan ideas not about Mfing the chineese.

Now Trump’s mission is coming into focus. take over the leaderhip of the Tea party and destory it.

unseen on April 29, 2011 at 8:52 PM

When is Beck’s FNC contract up?

OmahaConservative on April 29, 2011 at 8:54 PM

which is why I’m thinking that Trump’s “surprise announcement” may be that he’s going to bypass the GOP and run as a third-party candidate.

No, no. He’ll either not run, or announce that he’ll run, naming his VP, Allen West, on the same day.

The media and the Obama-gang would eat rocks…which they’d have to digest and…

Schadenfreude on April 29, 2011 at 8:55 PM

Odd that Beck says he loves Allen West but seems to hate Donald Trump.

Rep. Allen West says he hopes Donald Trump is serious about running for president, because America is in need of a leader who can guide it through a “critical time.”
Allen also said he would not rule out running for vice president on a Trump ticket if he were asked.

It would be nice when Mark Levin mimics the left on this, going after Trump the way the left goes after Palin, if he could at least stop hollering like Lawrence O’Donnell anyway. That would be something. Trump will not go away. He is quintessential American like George Patton and Joe DiMaggio. Real Americans can feel it in their blood. Hollering Mark Levin and other Leaders In Their Own Minds will just have to suck it up. It is unfortunate to note that Levin seems to be hanging to any kind of stability by a worn string so he may not be able to. So sad. Lead, follow, or get the Hell out of the way!

HalJordan on April 29, 2011 at 8:55 PM

Beck has Trump envy!

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 8:56 PM

Palin and Huckabee will not run.

Schadenfreude on April 29, 2011 at 8:56 PM

Run, Rand. Run.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2011 at 8:51 PM

*sigh* If it weren’t for daddy Paul…

Bee on April 29, 2011 at 8:56 PM

After more than 50 years of watching politics, its interesting that the old Gallup poll trick still works.

CrazyGene on April 29, 2011 at 8:57 PM

Aim Trump at Obama and let him implode over the Boy King.

He’ll do enough damage to Barry (as The Donald damages his own credibility and candidacy) that the end result will be a weakened Barack for the real R candidates to mop up with.

Go kamikazi Trumpster! Frikkin’ nose dive into the S.S. Obama!

profitsbeard on April 29, 2011 at 8:57 PM

When is Beck’s FNC contract up?

OmahaConservative on April 29, 2011 at 8:54 PM

End of the year..12/31/11!..:)

Dire Straits on April 29, 2011 at 8:57 PM

HalJordan on April 29, 2011 at 8:55 PM

West has more characte rin his little figer than Trump has in his whole hand.

unseen on April 29, 2011 at 8:57 PM

Now Trump’s mission is coming into focus. take over the leaderhip of the Tea party and destory it.

unseen on April 29, 2011 at 8:52 PM

Trump’s influence on the Tea Party is about a influential as the commenter at this town hall meeting.

Kini on April 29, 2011 at 8:58 PM

Trump is a non-issue suit. He’s not addressing policy.
Other than talking Shiite, the suit is stuffed with hot air.

With all due respect to Hot Air.

Kini on April 29, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Kini:Yup,I agree,Trumpet is going to get the `’Anger’
treatment that Capt`n Queeg Cain got in 2008!

And,while its nice to tell any country to go
Boink themselves,Trump will soon get,the,
‘He`s UnStable Lefty Narration’!!!!

On the sarcastic side,ahem,’Side-Show Bob’is
getting closer to Trumps character!!:)

canopfor on April 29, 2011 at 8:58 PM

profitsbeard on April 29, 2011 at 8:57 PM

Honestly – I agree with you completely.

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 8:58 PM

*sigh* If it weren’t for daddy Paul…

Bee on April 29, 2011 at 8:56 PM

Very good point!.. I just hope the apple has fallen a long way from the tree!..:)

Dire Straits on April 29, 2011 at 8:58 PM

Allen West has not ruled it out. Listen to the end, and carefully.

Obama/anyone

vs

Trump/West

What do you do?

Schadenfreude on April 29, 2011 at 9:00 PM

I saw Trump as Perot redux from the start, all ego and personal animus. Trump really should buy a small country and become its monarch. May I suggest the Duchy of Grand Fenwick?

Terrie on April 29, 2011 at 9:00 PM

On the sarcastic side,ahem,’Side-Show Bob’is
getting closer to Trumps character!!:)

canopfor on April 29, 2011 at 8:58 PM

Well, he talks like a New Yorker

Kini on April 29, 2011 at 9:00 PM

Now Trump’s mission is coming into focus. take over the leaderhip of the Tea party and destory it.

unseen on April 29, 2011 at 8:52 PM

The country is waaaaaaay bigger than the tea party, though the latter cares for the former.

Schadenfreude on April 29, 2011 at 9:01 PM

OT:
If I were in Prince CHAS’ shoes and had that f’ugly woman for a wife—–I’d force her into a burkha, 24-7…

OmahaConservative on April 29, 2011 at 9:01 PM

I saw Trump as Perot redux from the start, all ego and personal animus.

Terrie on April 29, 2011 at 9:00 PM

You have something against highly successful businessmen?

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Maybe he’s trying for the hip-hop vote.

deewhybee on April 29, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Also, Trump cares more about the country, yes, he is the country in this case, than the tea party.

Schadenfreude on April 29, 2011 at 9:01 PM

OT:
If I were in Prince CHAS’ shoes and had that f’ugly woman for a wife—–I’d force her into a burkha, 24-7…

OmahaConservative on April 29, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Love is blind, as it s/b.

Schadenfreude on April 29, 2011 at 9:02 PM

Beck, Levin, Rand Paul and a number of others are trying to undo that, which is why I’m thinking that Trump’s “surprise announcement” may be that he’s going to bypass the GOP and run as a third-party candidate. He has no future in the primary, but as a high-profile independent running an inexpensive bare-bones populist campaign with attention-getting speeches like last night’s, he could probably grab enough votes from the GOP to swing the election.

I’ve been assured by all manners of Trump’s schwanzwankers that Trump wouldn’t dare do anything like that if he’d hurt the Republican party. I’ve always found the idea that Trump gives a [multiple expletives deleted] about the Republican party absolutely farcical.

gryphon202 on April 29, 2011 at 9:04 PM

Idea?
(snark)
========

Maybe Trump can get T-Shirts ordered for his alledged
Presidential run,like the Gulf Oil Charity t-shirt or
deal last year!!

Sumpin Like,

‘VOTE GOP…..OR F***’em’!

=================

Children dropping F-bombs for gulf spill “charities” now
posted at 2:00 pm on July 25, 2010 by Diane Suffern
****************************************************

Nothing says “I mean business” like a well-timed f-bomb, especially coming from a kid.
Not to be outdone by Junk Shot, Top Kill, Saw and Cap, Hot Tap and “Plug the Damn Hole,” Luke Montgomery and Nate Guidas of Unf–k The Gulf have upped the rhetorical ante (content warning):

I mean, Just look at those f–king kids saying f–k. Just look at them! Doesn’t this insipid, scripted rant against Big Oil inspire action? Get angry! Get outrageously outraged that little kids are so distraught over this environmental crisis they’re duty-bound to use language they aren’t inclined to use unless they’re exposed to it by adults! Use that f–king anger and buy this f–king overpriced t-shirt to help clean up the mess Big F–ing Oil made. What? Who’s f–ing Bobby Jindal? Why should I care that the drilling moratorium ham-stringed Louisianians’ ability to get back to work? What f–ing speech? What protest at the Cajundome? Who cares…look at these f–king pelicans!
(More……………..)

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/25/children-dropping-f-bombs-for-gulf-spill-charities-now/

canopfor on April 29, 2011 at 9:04 PM

Odd that Beck says he loves Allen West but seems to hate Donald Trump.

Rep. Allen West says he hopes Donald Trump is serious about running for president, because America is in need of a leader who can guide it through a “critical time.”
Allen also said he would not rule out running for vice president on a Trump ticket if he were asked.

HalJordan on April 29, 2011 at 8:55 PM

Oh, look. A eunuch parroting twisting of Allen West’s words. Quelle surprise.

For those who actually watch the video in his link, Allen West clearly makes a nonspecific statement that he hopes “he is serious about what he has to do”. All he specifically says about Trump is that he is getting a lot of attention and a lot of headlines. When asked about running on the Veep ticket to Trump, he says it’s not up to him, but it’s a decision for God, for his family, and for whoever the presidential nominee is. I’m surprised NewsMax would misrepresent him so much. The guy linking to them, less so.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2011 at 9:05 PM

gryphon202 on April 29, 2011 at 9:04 PM

Ok – let’s say you’re right – are you really a big fan of the “Republican Party”? – or are you a conservative in the Republican Party?

Just asking -

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:06 PM

You have something against highly successful businessmen?

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Successful businessman =/= conservative

gryphon202 on April 29, 2011 at 9:06 PM

No, no. He’ll either not run, or announce that he’ll run, naming his VP, Allen West, on the same day.

The media and the Obama-gang would eat rocks…which they’d have to digest and…

Schadenfreude on April 29, 2011 at 8:55 PM

This would be glorious and the Republican establishment and ‘elites’ would certainly deserve it after all their mud slinging at him. He certainly owes them nothing. Trump against the two Bobbsey twins beltway establishment parties – he just might win.

HalJordan on April 29, 2011 at 9:06 PM

It’s almost impossible to draw a conclusion

Apply that to Almost all the polss breatlessly cited and you’ll have something…

winston on April 29, 2011 at 9:07 PM

Successful businessman =/= conservative

gryphon202 on April 29, 2011 at 9:06 PM

True – however – Perot was very conservative – true?

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:07 PM

Allen West has not ruled it out. Listen to the end, and carefully.

Schadenfreude on April 29, 2011 at 9:00 PM

Again, he says nothing specific about Trump, states that his duty is to his district, and that such a decision would be up to God, his family, and whoever the presidential nominee is. You don’t get much more nonspecific than that. This is nothing but dredging for headlines with West’s name in them.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2011 at 9:07 PM

Trump is a hack and an opportunist. He only cares about his ego. If he runs as an Indy, Obama is most certainly going to get reelected. Plus I don’t like all his bad mouthing of Paul Ryan and his budget. I find it hard to believe he’s even read Ryan’s budget. The GOP needs to get their damn head on straight and understand there is too much at stake to take a chance on a blowhard like Trump. The guy is all over the damn place. He’s no conservative and he will be just as bad as Obama if not worse.

jawkneemusic on April 29, 2011 at 9:07 PM

On TRUMP: Plus I don’t like all his bad mouthing of Paul Ryan and his budget. I find it hard to believe he’s even read Ryan’s budget.

jawkneemusic on April 29, 2011 at 9:07 PM

I completely agree with you there. 100%

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:08 PM

You have something against highly successful businessmen?

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:01 PM

If those businessmen are successful by using eminent domain to conduct business and throwing ethics out the f**king window, you’re damn right I have something against them.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2011 at 9:09 PM

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2011 at 9:07 PM

I saw the interview. Someone who will shut the door, especially like A. West, would forcefully do so.

Last comment on this. To each their own interpretation. I believe he left the door neither open, nor closed.

Schadenfreude on April 29, 2011 at 9:09 PM

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:06 PM

I believe Mr. Trump has had several business enterprises that have filed bankruptcy. That, in itself, doesn’t bother me but he was for T.A.R.P. and for the automotive bail outs. I don’t want anyone to believe that anything is too big to fail.

Cindy Munford on April 29, 2011 at 9:10 PM

As one of the house Palinistas, I’m quite happy with Donald Trump and what he’s doing – at least there’s finally a potential candidate other than the ‘Cuda who has no issue mocking and belittling z’Dear Leader. Trump’s not a Conservative, and all of us who are Conservatives who love us some Trump know that – yet, he’s taken a chainsaw to the Obama Mystique (whatever that may be) like no one since the ‘Cuda, and for that we’re eternally grateful.

I was talking about this phenomenon with my sis, who is much more socially conservative than I am. She used the same words I use when describing Trump – “he draws [rhetorical] blood, what’s not to like?” In one month, Trump did what no ideological Conservative could do in three years: effectively bring the BC issue to a boil, forcing the POTUS to make either an unforced error, or squander a political diamond he was saving for later.

It is silly season right now – ideological purity in theoretical POTUS matchups is an absurd expectation – Trump is doing what needs to be done, and while his reasons are a mystery to me, I love what he’s doing. For now, I’ll take the guy with the giant mic and zero need for self-censorship. He’s clearing the forest for the return of the ‘Cuda, which is fine by me.

Aside from ‘Cuda, how many genuine Conservatives considering running who have any shot of winning would continue to drop bombs like Trumps dropping after the race card had been deployed so many times? None of ‘em, which is one of many reasons they can’t win and shouldn’t be the nominee.

/Palin12

elcapt on April 29, 2011 at 9:10 PM

Oh, look. A eunuch parroting twisting of Allen West’s words. Quelle surprise.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2011 at 9:05 PM

You have the maturity of a 6 year old and I am being kind.You should join the army and maybe they could have a crack at making something of a man out of you if you could even last through a couple of weeks of basic which I doubt.

HalJordan on April 29, 2011 at 9:10 PM

Very good point!.. I just hope the apple has fallen a long way from the tree!..:)

Dire Straits on April 29, 2011 at 8:58 PM

It seems like it has, at least where it counts. It’s just a shame that he won’t run if his father runs. Heard the elder Paul on Hannity a couple of days ago and…wow. What a crank. It’s pretty bad when a light weight like Hannity wont even tolerate his nonsense.

Bee on April 29, 2011 at 9:11 PM

You have something against highly successful businessmen?

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Only the ones that run for higher office because they 1) have a personal animus toward the incumbent and 2) believe their executive powers of persuasion make them uniquely qualified to solve the nation’s problems.

I would vote for businessman Herman Cain in a heartbeat.

Terrie on April 29, 2011 at 9:11 PM

Ok – let’s say you’re right – are you really a big fan of the “Republican Party”? – or are you a conservative in the Republican Party?

Just asking -

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:06 PM

On a seperate thread, I mentioned that for a number of years I was an “independent” on my voter registration. I changed back to Republican so I could vote in my state’s closed primary, but I don’t feel a particular affinity for the party machinery, or the establishment aparatchiks.

What grinds my gears about Trump running third-party, aside from the fact that I’ve been assured it won’t happen (and I’m not so sure that it won’t), is that in the general election, anything that hurts the Republican Party will necessarily help Obama. I may not be in the “anyone but Obama crowd,” but I do believe that defeating him decisively is a necessary prerequisite to saving our republic, and any third-party candidate will make that task infinitely more difficult.

gryphon202 on April 29, 2011 at 9:11 PM

You have the maturity of a 6 year old…

HalJordan on April 29, 2011 at 9:10 PM

And you have the integrity of a…well, nothing.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2011 at 9:12 PM

I don’t want anyone to believe that anything is too big to fail.

Cindy Munford on April 29, 2011 at 9:10 PM

No argument there – good comment.

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:13 PM

True – however – Perot was very conservative Loony – true?

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:07 PM

FIFY – I continues to surprise me that anyone, anyone, would have the least bit modicum of interest in Trump other than his Apprentice Freak Show.

Kini on April 29, 2011 at 9:13 PM

True – however – Perot was very conservative – true?

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:07 PM

Perot talked a good game. I’m not aware that he had as many ethical lapses as Donald Trump has, but the road to Hell is paved in good intentions. He allowed Bill Clinton to win in 1992, even though fully 57% of the electorate did not vote for Clinton. I really doubt you want to see that kind of thing happen in 2012.

gryphon202 on April 29, 2011 at 9:15 PM

That, in itself, doesn’t bother me but he was for T.A.R.P. and for the automotive bail outs. I don’t want anyone to believe that anything is too big to fail.

Cindy Munford on April 29, 2011 at 9:10 PM

So was Paul Ryan.

sharrukin on April 29, 2011 at 9:15 PM

I saw the interview. Someone who will shut the door, especially like A. West, would forcefully do so.

Schadenfreude on April 29, 2011 at 9:09 PM

Maybe if damn near everyone who supported him wasn’t saying he should run for president. I don’t think his decision one way or another has anything to do with Trump, and I also think he’s smart enough to know that Trump isn’t going anywhere, which is why he left his statement as broad and vague as it did.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2011 at 9:16 PM

What grinds my gears about Trump running third-party, aside from the fact that I’ve been assured it won’t happen.

gryphon202 on April 29, 2011 at 9:11 PM

I think Trump values his business enough to know that a failed run at POTUS would be mistake – I really believe that in the end – when the process has worked – he may well see that a run is pointless.

Again – he has only been in the limelight for a few weeks now – there is a long long ways to go.

Dialogs like this and many others are healthy because they are part of the process.

Trump is not rising today – he is stuck or maybe even falling a little.

Tomorrow – who knows – but it’s all healthy.

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:16 PM

I think Trump values his business enough to know that a failed run at POTUS would be mistake…

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:16 PM

Yes, but with his history of bankruptcy, it’s clear that he likes to take risks.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2011 at 9:17 PM

The country is waaaaaaay bigger than the tea party, though the latter cares for the former.

Schadenfreude on April 29, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Without the driving force of the TEA party the gop loses in landslides. Take out the TEA party and the dems walk to victory. Take out real leaders of the TEA party like rubio, Palin, Rand Paul and replace them with nutcases like Trump and the TEa party fades away.

unseen on April 29, 2011 at 9:18 PM

Bee on April 29, 2011 at 9:11 PM

Excellent Post!..You summed it up very well!..:)

Dire Straits on April 29, 2011 at 9:18 PM

sharrukin on April 29, 2011 at 9:15 PM

I know. This is one of those personal pet peeves. But Mr. Trump is a person who should know better than most that bankruptcy is not the end of the world.

Cindy Munford on April 29, 2011 at 9:18 PM

Perot talked a good game. I’m not aware that he had as many ethical lapses as Donald Trump has, but the road to Hell is paved in good intentions. He allowed Bill Clinton to win in 1992, even though fully 57% of the electorate did not vote for Clinton. I really doubt you want to see that kind of thing happen in 2012.

gryphon202 on April 29, 2011 at 9:15 PM

Full disclosure – I worked for Ross Perot’s campaign in California. I have wrestled with that for many years – was it a mistake? – but I really did not like Bush senior at all – I thought he was a turn coat.

That said – like his son – Bush senior was a solid military commander – but that was it for me.

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:19 PM

Trump is not rising today – he is stuck or maybe even falling a little.

Tomorrow – who knows – but it’s all healthy.

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:16 PM

I know I’m engaging in speculation here, but it’s difficult for me to trust the word of a man who has used both bankruptcy and eminent domain as business tools. I’m a working-class stiff, and it’s hard for me to get past that stuff.

gryphon202 on April 29, 2011 at 9:19 PM

Trump bashing aside, he achieved a personal victory over Obama on the birth certificate issue. Whatever benefit Obama expected to derive from delaying its release has been lost. Trump knocked Obama off his pedestal and revealed him as a deeply flawed leader.

Mission accomplished. Mr. Trump, please take your victory lap and go back to “Celebrity Apprentice.”

Terrie on April 29, 2011 at 9:20 PM

First, I don’t like Beck’s black helicopter, paranoid delusions at all. Second, “You go boy!!!”

It is waaaaaay past time to rip Donald to shreds, and it is absolutely necessary for the GOP to point out that Trump is a libtard trying to play as a conservative. He is in no way reflective of our values.

Southernblogger on April 29, 2011 at 9:20 PM

Considering the turn out numbers on 4/15 this year, I think the Tea Party believes that their mission was accomplished in November. And I also think that is so wrong.
Cindy Munford on April 29, 2011 at 8:41 PM

Cindy, I’ll disagree with that a little bit. The tea partiers made their bones flocking to Townhall meetings in anger and voicing their principled opposition on specific bills and to the overall direction of government. Their public displays were, I believe, directed towards their elected representatives, many of whom are now gone. Yes, they did their job at the polls in November and they’re a bit quieter now, but they’re still there. And, if the government tried to push through something as awful as Obamacare again, then I’d expect to see them out in force again.

joejm65 on April 29, 2011 at 9:21 PM

Yes, but with his history of bankruptcy, it’s clear that he likes to take risks.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2011 at 9:17 PM

You know bankruptcy is one thing – coming out of bankruptcy and paying off your debtors is damn admirable – and Trump did that. Trump has created tens of thousands of jobs and he has created more wealth than 99.9% of anyone else on the planet.

I understand your feelings but don’t belittle a man with his business record. That’s just silly.

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:21 PM

I know I’m engaging in speculation here, but it’s difficult for me to trust the word of a man who has used both bankruptcy and eminent domain as business tools. I’m a working-class stiff, and it’s hard for me to get past that stuff.

gryphon202 on April 29, 2011 at 9:19 PM

I am with you on the issue of eminent domain – that is deplorable.

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:22 PM

Full disclosure – I worked for Ross Perot’s campaign in California. I have wrestled with that for many years – was it a mistake? – but I really did not like Bush senior at all – I thought he was a turn coat.

That said – like his son – Bush senior was a solid military commander – but that was it for me.

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:19 PM

I don’t blame you there. I find your honesty considering your misgivings about Perot to be quite refreshing. I was only 14 years old at the time, so my first vote was cast in 1996, and was more a vote against Clinton rather than for Dole. My biggest mistake, looking back, was not getting involved in primaries earlier.

gryphon202 on April 29, 2011 at 9:22 PM

I was just at West’s latest town hall. He insists he’s not running for anything except for his seat in the people’s house. He says he owes the people of Fl-22. End of subject.

Jayrae on April 29, 2011 at 9:24 PM

my first vote was cast in 1996, and was more a vote against Clinton rather than for Dole. My biggest mistake, looking back, was not getting involved in primaries earlier.

gryphon202 on April 29, 2011 at 9:22 PM

WOW – more against Clinton than for Dole – you cannot imagine how big a community you were a part of there. Add me to that list for sure.

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:24 PM

canopfor on April 29, 2011 at 8:58 PM
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Well, he talks like a New Yorker

Kini on April 29, 2011 at 9:00 PM

Kini:You have a point!:)

canopfor on April 29, 2011 at 9:25 PM

I was just at West’s latest town hall. He insists he’s not running for anything except for his seat in the people’s house. He says he owes the people of Fl-22. End of subject.

Jayrae on April 29, 2011 at 9:24 PM

Somehow I think Allen West is a man of his word.

We have (hopefully) many years of Allen West to look forward to. I have already got my kids watching all of his speeches – such a great role model – what a man – what an American.

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:25 PM

You know bankruptcy is one thing – coming out of bankruptcy and paying off your debtors is damn admirable – and Trump did that.

Wait…paying your debts is admirable? Are we such a welching society that we now look up to people who actually keep their word?

Trump has created tens of thousands of jobs and he has created more wealth than 99.9% of anyone else on the planet.

That’s a stretch, by a long shot. I’m sure Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, and Ted Turner have created FAR more jobs and wealth than he has. Doesn’t mean they’re good candidates for president.

I understand your feelings but don’t belittle a man with his business record. That’s just silly.

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:21 PM

So wait…it’s “belittling” to point out the financial record of someone potentially asking to run our country?

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2011 at 9:25 PM

ITA with your sentiments, Allahpundit. But for everything, there’s a first. And I am also watching this with great interest; I wrote about a month or so ago that this was going to be one of the most fun GOP primaries evah.

With Trump on board for courtship, he does not dissappoint.

ProudPalinFan on April 29, 2011 at 9:27 PM

I understand your feelings but don’t belittle a man with his business record. That’s just silly.

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:21 PM

Trump has as much as said that he used bankruptcy as a business tool. Yes, he did repay his creditors, but bankruptcy is first-and-foremost a way of shielding oneself from creditors. I’m sure he had creditors that didn’t ever see a dime from him, cause that’s usually how bankruptcy works; it’s there to allow an individual or business, to some degree, to postpone or avoid paying certain debts.

Like I said before, maybe I’m being unreasonable. I don’t know. But it’s hard for me to get past someone who is so casual about something that, if I were to do it, would destroy my personal credit for decades.

gryphon202 on April 29, 2011 at 9:27 PM

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Ok – we disagree – and YES – coming out of bankruptcy and paying off all your obligations is DAMN admirable.

I suspect – and respect – that you have never had to face a business bankruptcy. True?

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:27 PM

It takes a lot of commitment to run for President without much reward for the work. At least not the kind of reward Trump is used to working for.

At some point you would think he would do a cost/benefit analysis and decide he has whatever bang he was looking for and now he can move on to more lucrative ventures.

I keep thinking, what does he really want out of this. He has got to know that he doesn’t really have a shot. So what message is he trying to get out? Is he looking for some committments from the one who wins to do something for him?

What is his angle?

I am hoping that he will soon declare victory and go on to other things.

petunia on April 29, 2011 at 9:30 PM

I suspect – and respect – that you have never had to face a business bankruptcy. True?

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Yes. And I also have had numerous debts, which I paid off promptly, and no, I don’t consider it something to admire. I would consider it an offense not to pay them off.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2011 at 9:30 PM

Like I said before, maybe I’m being unreasonable. I don’t know. But it’s hard for me to get past someone who is so casual about something that, if I were to do it, would destroy my personal credit for decades.

gryphon202 on April 29, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Well – here again – I must disclose. In 1991 I had to declare bankruptcy when my business failed. It took me a year and half to come out – and it took me 5 more years to pay off my obligations. Bankruptcy is a tool designed to allow people to survive in order to repay their obligations and keep their business alive.

Bankruptcy is not a cowardly move – it is a legal and a closely regulated business tool. It protects both the business and that businesses debtors.

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:31 PM

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:19 PM

I have known many good and well-intentioned people who supported Ross Perot. That doesn’t change the fact that he ran for president in 1992 first and foremost because of his personal grudge against the Bush family. The biggest mistake my hero Ronald Reagan made was selecting a non-Reaganite like Bush as his running mate and eventual successor instead of his true heir, Jack Kemp.

Given the benefit of hindsight, do you Perot supporters think the second term of the first Bush would have ignored the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and other warning signs of Al Qaeda’s dangerous growth to go unanswered as Clinton did in both his terms?

Terrie on April 29, 2011 at 9:33 PM

Bankruptcy is not a cowardly move – it is a legal and a closely regulated business tool. It protects both the business and that businesses debtors.

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2011 at 9:31 PM

And as a business tool, it can be abused. Just like eminent domain serves a lawful, ethical purpose, but can be abused. Really, what cuts to the heart of the matter is that I don’t believe Donald Trump is presidential material. I wouldn’t vote him in for city dog catcher, for that matter. But that speaks to no more than my low opinion of the man.

gryphon202 on April 29, 2011 at 9:34 PM

I’m surprised NewsMax would misrepresent him so much. The guy linking to them, less so.

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2011 at 9:05 PM

NewsMax is really pushing Trump. Why would they do that?

I hadn’t thought about that before at least not when I had a place to say it.

Dick Morris was pushing Trump, and NewsMax has polls… Is Trump paying them?

They are generally pretty conservative and Trump is just not. Is it just for the hits?

petunia on April 29, 2011 at 9:35 PM

I was just at West’s latest town hall. He insists he’s not running for anything except for his seat in the people’s house. He says he owes the people of Fl-22. End of subject.

Jayrae on April 29, 2011 at 9:24 PM

How did it go?
My question was only about a veep slot and his statements about now (both) Gingrich and Trump. He’s repeatedly said he wouldn’t run for POTUS but wouldn’t rule out VP. Is that what he was referring to?

Bee on April 29, 2011 at 9:36 PM

A commenter in the earlier thread sneered at me for dumping on him, praising his “alphalicious” Vegas speech as something a beta male predictably wouldn’t appreciate.

Here, we’ll document that sneering… RepubChica did hit AP pretty hard!!!

He’s not playing by anyone’s rules but his own, boom or bust. Not getting all betarageous over potty mouth. The guy knows how to work a crowd. I watched the entire 30-minute speech and it was alphalicious.

RepubChica on April 29, 2011 at 3:11 PM

MeatHeadinCA on April 29, 2011 at 9:36 PM

MadisonConservative on April 29, 2011 at 9:05 PM

I hadn’t seen the vid until just now and was only going by the Newsmax article. Definitely clarifies things.

Bee on April 29, 2011 at 9:39 PM

Hey, Allahpundit, Mark Levin just called this post “smart stuff” on his Facebook page. Truce?

Terrie on April 29, 2011 at 9:40 PM

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