Reid to Call Vote on Ryan Plan

posted at 8:01 am on April 28, 2011 by Jazz Shaw

We may have to take a fresh look at the old saying regarding teaching old dogs new tricks. There was a long period of time when majority leaders from either party in both the House and Senate would never call a vote on any legislation unless it was something they favored and until they knew they had properly whipped up the votes for a win. Message control dictated that you simply wouldn’t set yourself up for a loss on the floor. Not any more. Word on the street is that Harry Reid will call for a vote on Paul Ryan’s budget plan even though he’s fairly certain it will fail.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) will hold a vote on Rep. Paul Ryan’s (R-Wis.) budget in an effort to divide the Senate GOP conference.

Reid said on a conference call with reporters on Wednesday that he would hold a vote, saying it would give the Senate GOP an opportunity to say where it stands.

“Republicans seem to be in love with the Ryan budget. And so they are going to have an opportunity here in the Senate to vote on the Ryan budget and see [how many] Republican senators like the Ryan budget as much as their House colleagues did,” he said.

The Democrats are betting heavily that Americans are not ready to accept serious changes to entitlement programs and that their “tax the rich” message will still sell well enough across the country to gain electoral advantage next year. Reid seems to feel confident that a significant number of Republicans are talking a good game about the Ryan plan, but will not put their vote on the line in favor of a major change to entitlements if they’re facing a dicey reelection back home. If the ploy works, he walks away with a new talking point about how he split the Republican team. If the GOP stands firm, the measure still likely fails to the Democratic majority and they get a new ad to run against their opponents in swing states.

This isn’t the first time this type of trick has been rolled out. Earlier this month the House Democrats pulled a surprise move when a vote was held on a package of spending cuts even more severe than the original Republican proposal. While the vote was in progress, Democrats stepped up in mass changing their votes from “no” to “present” and forced a significant number of GOP members to switch their votes from yes to no to prevent the measure from passing.

How well will this work? If the latest Gallup poll results are any indicator, both parties are rolling the dice to a certain extent. Neither Obama nor Ryan muster majority support, with the President taking a statistically insignificant 44-43 lead. But the shocker in those numbers is that the group most supportive of Ryan’s proposals are seniors, the group Democrats are counting on the most to oppose entitlement reform. There’s plenty of room for both sides to maneuver here.

If this voting tactic proves effective, expect to see more tricks like this in the future. And look for members on both sides to be a bit more careful about their public statements if they may be put in a position where they might have to vote against their own proposals.


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Time to call their bluff. If the bill passes it will be a jolt to the American consciousness that is long overdue.

BTW: Gold is at $1,5026

NickDeringer on April 28, 2011 at 8:06 AM

Nay- Brown, Collins, Snowe, Kirk

myrenovations on April 28, 2011 at 8:08 AM

If Reid does this then Democrats also lose what they seem to think is their best talking point. If the Ryan’s plan is killed then they won’t really have as much an excuse to keep lieing about it. All that will be left is Obama’s plan. The Republican plan will have been killed by Democrats and then it will be up to Democrats to do something about it.

I don’t think this is a winning strategy for the Democrats because their typical tactic of demonizing their opponent is weakened because it’s hard to demonize something that is no longer an option. It’s hard to scare people with a plan you’ve already eliminated as an option. All it will do is turn up scrutiny on the fact that Obama and the Democrats don’t really have a plan except for the vague notion that we need to spend and tax more.

gwelf on April 28, 2011 at 8:11 AM

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) will hold a vote on Rep. Paul Ryan’s (R-Wis.) budget in an effort to divide the Senate GOP conference.

Gee whiz, I thought the purpose of holding votes was to pass or not pass important legislation.

These guys are really pushing their luck with all the transparent political game playing in place of governing. It is all they do.

People may notice that they don’t take their responsibilities seriously.

forest on April 28, 2011 at 8:15 AM

and forced a significant number of GOP members to switch their votes from yes to no to prevent the measure from passing.

Names please.

MNHawk on April 28, 2011 at 8:16 AM

Um. Seniors, middle-agers, and just about everyone but the really young crowd favors the Ryan plan. So why does Reid think this is a political winner?

Oh, right, this guy thought ObamaCare and the stimulus were good ideas politically, too. He’s an idiot.

amerpundit on April 28, 2011 at 8:19 AM

It’s entirely possible that Reid has out foxed himself.

Dr Evil on April 28, 2011 at 8:20 AM

It’s entirely possible that Reid has out foxed himself.

Dr Evil on April 28, 2011 at 8:20 AM

And the President. If the Ryan plan is shot down Obama won’t be able to fly around the country telling people it’s going to kill people. He’ll be forced to talk about his own ‘plan’ and building trains.

gwelf on April 28, 2011 at 8:23 AM

President Obama has attacked it for making deep cuts to clean energy and education programs

Both failed and bloated programs the both of them. Democrats (liberals actually) will never learn that you can’t that you can’t fix a bad idea by throwing money at it. Besides their piggy bank is just about empty and the pigs are squealing.

Tommy_G on April 28, 2011 at 8:27 AM

And the President. If the Ryan plan is shot down Obama won’t be able to fly around the country telling people it’s going to kill people. He’ll be forced to talk about his own ‘plan’ and building trains.

gwelf on April 28, 2011 at 8:23 AM

Excellent point.

Tim Zank on April 28, 2011 at 8:27 AM

If the latest Gallup poll results are any indicator,

Unless of course you believe in something, are willing to stand for something, are not afraid of the MFM and the poll sniffers, care about the future of your country…that.

Lot to ask? We’ll see.

winston on April 28, 2011 at 8:27 AM

The country is circling the drain and these worthless parasites are playing parlor games. They don’t care about the country – they care about their precious seats. This is why Mike Castle needed to be defeated. Every one of them needs to be replaced.

Nobody is serious, not even the GOP.

I wonder how long before you see people in the streets.

fossten on April 28, 2011 at 8:30 AM

I’m so tired of people putting re-election ahead of the job they have now.

Yesterday I got a begging letter for Rubio, who states that he needs to raise 20 million for his re-election campaign. 250,000/mo. I can’t tell you how disappointed I am to see this kind of activity from those I was hoping would be a new generation in Congress.

disa on April 28, 2011 at 8:34 AM

And the President. If the Ryan plan is shot down Obama won’t be able to fly around the country telling people it’s going to kill people. He’ll be forced to talk about his own ‘plan’ and building trains.

gwelf on April 28, 2011 at 8:23 AM

I get the feeling that Reid doesn’t care.

Deanna on April 28, 2011 at 8:37 AM

I think Senate rules will allow any Senator to make a point of order to keep a budget resolution from the floor that has not gone through the Budget Committee. It takes a 2/3 vote to overrule a point of order.

rockmom on April 28, 2011 at 8:38 AM

Nobody is serious, not even the GOP.

I wonder how long before you see people in the streets.

fossten on April 28, 2011 at 8:30 AM

I really do wonder this same thing — including what is the specific circumstance that will trigger it.

DaydreamBeliever on April 28, 2011 at 8:40 AM

Let ‘em vote, then start prepping for primary challenges.

BKeyser on April 28, 2011 at 8:41 AM

Extremely rare opportunity to beat nothing with something. Its all about being serious about the debt. I want Ryan on every network and cable show speaking about the debt, the Fed’s purposeful devaluation of the dollar, China’s divestiture of its U.S. Treasury holdings, and the significance of the end of the dollar as the world’s reserve currency. Obama has no answer to these questions because the media will not speak of the negative. Let the media say Ryan will have grandma eating dog food, grandma supports the Ryan plan because she is old enough to recognize a huckster when she sees one.

Angry Dumbo on April 28, 2011 at 8:42 AM

If this voting tactic proves effective, expect to see more tricks like this in the future

I don’t see why it’s a “trick” at all. Isn’t part of the Senate’s job to vote on legislation passed by the House? The GOP, if they had any brains or balls, would vote YES!!! on Ryan’s plan.

Go RBNY on April 28, 2011 at 8:43 AM

Go ahead, Harry… Make my day…

Khun Joe on April 28, 2011 at 8:43 AM

The US Congress…………Where the women are women, and so are the men.

BacaDog on April 28, 2011 at 8:43 AM

Extremely rare opportunity to beat nothing with something. Its all about being serious about the debt.

Absolutely. And most independent voters will appreciate that. It’s not perfect, but it’s something.

Go RBNY on April 28, 2011 at 8:44 AM

Americans have begun to realize the option is not between shit sandwich #1 and delicious cake.

The choice is between shit sandwich #1 and shit sandwich #2.

If the Republicans say “We choose shit sandwich #1″ and Obama and the Democrats say “We choose delicious cake” the Republicans will eke out a win based on the fact that most Americans know that the cake is a lie.

Sackett on April 28, 2011 at 8:45 AM

Harry Reid is an evil, wicked man who is gleefully flushing our great country down the toilet. Why did NV impose this horrible creature on America for 6 more years?

karenhasfreedom on April 28, 2011 at 8:45 AM

I’m so tired of people putting re-election ahead of the job they have now.

disa on April 28, 2011 at 8:34 AM

That’s one of the best reasons why politicians can never be trusted to “plan” the economy. All they care about is the short-term effects of economic policy, just far enough to take them into the next election cycle. They consistently fail to consider the long term effects on all groups, as demonstrated so well in Henry Hazlitt’s classic Economics In One Lesson.

Sharke on April 28, 2011 at 8:47 AM

The Dems will kill it for now. It’s a non-event that won’t effect its chances in a GOP-controlled Senate later on. As for the politics, both sides will spin it their own way, both party’s bases will cheer and those who aren’t paying attention will continue not to pay attention. In short, yawn.

MJBrutus on April 28, 2011 at 8:47 AM

amerpundit on April 28, 2011 at 8:19 AM

He’s probably afraid that Ryan’s plan will gain more support so he will hold a quick vote before it is more widely embraced.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2011 at 8:50 AM

And The Dingy One wonders why S&P downgraded its outlook on Treasury securities….

Steve Eggleston on April 28, 2011 at 8:59 AM

And the President. If the Ryan plan is shot down Obama won’t be able to fly around the country telling people it’s going to kill people. He’ll be forced to talk about his own ‘plan’ and building trains.

gwelf on April 28, 2011 at 8:23 AM

I wonder if he wanted a train when he was little and his commie parents refused to get him one. How else to explain the stupid obsession with trains?

slickwillie2001 on April 28, 2011 at 9:01 AM

As has been pointed out often, seniors vote, young people don’t, which is why if this poll holds up, Reid’s taking the bigger gamble here.

Team Obama got a higher percentage of young voters to show up at the polls in 2008 than normal, by convincing them that electing the first African-American president would create a new American political system and end racial tensions across the country. It’s hard to see them getting the same sort of youth vote turnout in 2012 based on a campaign opposing Medicare reform and convincing them that whoever the GOP nominee turns out to be is a cross between Hitler and Bull Connor. But on the other hand, angry seniors, especially those who lean Republican or independent, may show up in higher numbers in 2012 than they did in ’08.

jon1979 on April 28, 2011 at 9:05 AM

While the vote was in progress, Democrats stepped up in mass changing their votes from “no” to “present” and forced a significant number of GOP members to switch their votes…

Why do we even allow a “present” vote. If you’re there, you vote yes or no. Simple as that. There are valid reason’s why a Rep or Sen may not be able to attend votes but if you are there, you should be required to vote. Bunch of cowards.

Big John on April 28, 2011 at 9:07 AM

This could badly backfire on Reid in another way. The Senators who most don’t want this vote are Snow, Collins, Brown, and maybe Kirk. They might retaliate against Reid on some other issues.

I don’t think Reid is a man who thinks things through.

thuja on April 28, 2011 at 9:24 AM

and forced a significant number of GOP members to switch their votes from yes to no to prevent the measure from passing.

Names please.

MNHawk on April 28, 2011 at 8:16 AM

Voting in Congress can be a subtle game. It’s why I hate political ads that take one of Congressman’s votes and makes a big claim about that representatives record. The GOP reps who switched their vote voted for the GOP budget, a budget they thought they could defend politically. Yes, we have to cut spending, but we also have to stay in power to make sure the Democrats don’t increase spending.

thuja on April 28, 2011 at 9:29 AM

Both failed and bloated programs the both of them. Democrats (liberals actually) will never learn that you can’t that you can’t fix a bad idea by throwing money at it. Besides their piggy bank is just about empty and the pigs are squealing.

Tommy_G on April 28, 2011 at 8:27 AM

Don’t know if it is only an American thing but it sure seems like we do it a lot.

marinetbryant on April 28, 2011 at 9:51 AM

Do you have any onions GOP? Vote YES

Hummer53 on April 28, 2011 at 9:57 AM

Please, please, please let it pass. I know Reid is doing this because he thinks that it won’t pass, but I don’t think that anyone has ever accused Reid of being competent.

besser tot als rot on April 28, 2011 at 10:46 AM

I’m not sure I see a problem here at all for the Republicans. In fact, if they play their cards right, Reid and the Dems could be cutting their own throats with this tactic. Let’s suppose that Reid brings it to a vote and 100% of Republicans vote in favor. One of two things will then happen. Either the Dems will vote against it, blocking its passage, or ultimately the President vetoes it. Either way, the bill will not become law. The Dems, being Dems, will of course demagogue the issue but what will the public remember? That the Republicans were trying to kill Grandma, or that the Dems themselves still haven’t come up with any sort of plan that deals with the problem? The Republicans might very well take a [very] short-term hit, but the longer the economy remains in the toilet, the American people will turn their ire from the Republicans who are trying to be serious to the Dems who are behaving like children throwing a tantrum.

I say, call Reid’s bluff. Every Republican Senator should vote for the Ryan plan. We’re still 19 months from the next election and I will guarantee you that nothing that the Dems offer between now and then will bring the economy back from the brink of disaster. Nineteen months from now, the American people will be looking back at this vote and saying, “The Republicans had a plan to save us from this, and the Democrats defeated them (or vetoed the bill), and did nothing to change things.” This vote will be an albatross alright, but for the Democrats and not the Republicans.

Harrell on April 28, 2011 at 10:48 AM

Who’s the “Party of ‘No’” now?

We’ve got a freight train coming right at us called “economic disaster” and Reid wants to play chicken. He’s betting the train is going to swerve.

Socratease on April 28, 2011 at 10:59 AM

I don’t know how Reid puts it up for a vote without allowing amendments. You can bet there’s a rider fully defunding Planned Parenthood and removing any possibility of abortion funding via Obamacare.

Mark30339 on April 28, 2011 at 11:10 AM

Good read Mr. Shaw. Nice work.

ChipDWood on April 28, 2011 at 11:29 AM

Nobody is serious, not even the GOP.

I wonder how long before you see people in the streets.

fossten on April 28, 2011 at 8:30 AM

I really do wonder this same thing — including what is the specific circumstance that will trigger it.

DaydreamBeliever on April 28, 2011 at 8:40 AM

And I also wonder who will be the leader to get the people out there.

Mirimichi on April 28, 2011 at 11:35 AM

Question – does it need 51 or 60 votes? Usually 51 for budget stuff.

johnboy on April 28, 2011 at 11:37 AM

I think Democrats are reading the public mood wrong.

But I don’t know that Republicans are fully capable of taking advantage of their advantage.

The problem is history. Historically people want the things government promises them, even when they say they don’t want them.

And that is still true. If the government gave another “stimulus” check, I would take it, it’d be stupid not to because one person’s refusal isn’t going to do anything.

And that is the way it all works. I am opposed to the government handouts yet if they are giving out free money, I’ll take it along with everyone else.

I don’t know how to overcome this truth.

petunia on April 28, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Nobody is serious, not even the GOP.

I wonder how long before you see people in the streets.

fossten on April 28, 2011 at 8:30 AM

I really do wonder this same thing — including what is the specific circumstance that will trigger it.

DaydreamBeliever on April 28, 2011 at 8:40 AM

And I also wonder who will be the leader to get the people out there.

Mirimichi on April 28, 2011 at 11:35 AM

Some of the progs are trying to start just that in May, to coincide with ‘labor’ strikes and a mortgage-payment strike to crash the banks.

slickwillie2001 on April 28, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Harrell on April 28, 2011 at 10:48 AM

Agreed.

Furthermore; what’s to say a couple or more vunerable Dems can’t be pushed into a “Yay”?

If Reid brings this to the floor and it barely gets defeated, that will be remembered.

Reid’s timing sucks. Why not tie this vote to the Debt Ceiling and then let the Dem Senate vote it down?

If they don’t vote it down, it winds up on Obama’s desk and he must go on record with a veto.

I don’t see how this hurts the Repulicans chances in ’12.

bongo on April 28, 2011 at 12:15 PM

In order for this to pass, how many votes are required? I think it’s 51 since it’s a budget and will bypass a Biden deciding vote. I hope they pass it and then they should tell people how we reduced the deficit from $1.6T to under $1T, but we need to do more work.
Plus, wouldn’t this vote repeal ObamaCare? How many politicians would be proud to run on that platform? A majority of people are for repeal anyway.
I can also see the economy turning around if this is passed. It would quell a bunch of business concerns and the Democrats wouldn’t be able to blame business if they hire.

djaymick on April 28, 2011 at 12:21 PM

I think this vote will be closer than dingy Harry thinks. I think that there are 42-44 Republican votes and potentially 4-6 scared Dems.

johnboy on April 28, 2011 at 12:43 PM

Repubs – all but the wonder twins in ME, Brown, and a couple of others.

Scared Dems: Manchin, Ben Nelson, Bill Nelson

Maybe an FU vote from the retiring VA Dem and Joe L.

Darn close to 50

johnboy on April 28, 2011 at 12:45 PM

I’m so tired of people putting re-election ahead of the job they have now.

disa on April 28, 2011 at 8:34 AM

Term limits.

Its the only answer. I’m willing to state that 98% of the financial problems in this country can be solved withing 10 years after the implementation of Congressional term limits.

BobMbx on April 28, 2011 at 12:50 PM

And The Dingy One wonders why S&P downgraded its outlook on Treasury securities….

Steve Eggleston on April 28, 2011 at 8:59 AM

Don’t overlook the importance of this. It signals an end to the borrowing capacity of the Treasury, debt ceiling or not.

I am also assuming that minions have been dispatched to the major financial powerhouses carrying instructions from the WH to not “f**k with Obama’s credit rating”.

BobMbx on April 28, 2011 at 12:55 PM

They’re feeling their oats, thinking Obama has shown them the way with the birth certificate.

The difference is that unlike the birther thing, the budget plan is what voters deeply care about. Bringing this to a vote will give the republicans the opportunity to show which party really cares about the monumental deficits.

Whoever really wants to be president in the Repubs could make their bones right now with voters if they have the backbone to carry the water on the plan.

itsspideyman on April 28, 2011 at 1:43 PM

Term limits.

Its the only answer. I’m willing to state that 98% of the financial problems in this country can be solved withing 10 years after the implementation of Congressional term limits.

BobMbx on April 28, 2011 at 12:50 PM

I doubt it.

Count to 10 on April 28, 2011 at 2:24 PM