Quotes of the day

posted at 10:42 pm on April 27, 2011 by Allahpundit

“President Obama did not end the “birther” movement today. Hours after the president released his long-form birth certificate—years after releasing the short-form one that proved he was a citizen—the issue had already evolved. Republicans who’d been on the hook demanding proof of his citizenship wondered why it took so long. People with too much time on their hands—in other words, the majority of people surfing the Internet for this kind of stuff—were combing the document for proof of forgery.

“So Obama did not end birtherism. He did end one era of conspiracy theories about him—the fifth era, by my count. And maybe all he did was make sure the sixth era got started with as loud and embarrassing a bang as possible. If you understand how this started, and who played the biggest roles in elevating it, maybe you can also understand why it’s not going to end.”

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canopfor on April 28, 2011 at 6:07 AM

And it will continue.
I live in tornado alley…

OmahaConservative on April 28, 2011 at 6:13 AM

SgtSVJones on April 28, 2011 at 3:07 AM

You are correct. Mine was issued in New Jersey when I got my first job. Not the state of my birth.
It’s only a 9 digit number. Imagine if they issued a new one each time? Damn thing would be a foot long by now.

katy the mean old lady on April 28, 2011 at 6:14 AM

“Nitwit H$ssy, Lady Di.”

I love Ann Coulter.

That is all.

Grace_is_sufficient on April 28, 2011 at 6:19 AM

canopfor on April 28, 2011 at 6:07 AM
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And it will continue.
I live in tornado alley…

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canopfor on April 28, 2011 at 6:19 AM

I think that once again, Barack Obama has misjudged the mood of the American people. Really, I don’t think the guy ever understood WHY he got elected in the first place or why “hopenchange” worked for him.

People are TIRED of partisan games. They wanted the “change in the way Washington does business” he purported to offer. They wanted the swamp drained. They wanted solutions to the nation’s problems.

He came along offering the post-partisan, post-racial kind of unity that the mushy middle was craving, and they turned out for him.

Since then though… what he’s delivered is MOST-partisan, MOST-racial. Rather than draining the swamp, he’s become the Alligator King, presiding over a court of special and corporate interests with an entourage of union thugs serving as his personal entourage. And HE decides who the winners and losers will be.

His choice to play games for the past three years shows us a man whose CLEAR focus is politics… and not the leadership Americans were craving. He’s going to pay for that at the polls in 2012. He’s misunderstood the mandate from Day One.

Murf76 on April 28, 2011 at 6:44 AM

A moderate,is one who sits on the fence,waiting for which way the crowd is going to go,then,follow that crowd!

A moderate/independent whatever, is, as an Alaskan would know, the rear sled dog: unable to lead, does less work, will follow in whatever direction the lead dogs decide, and leaves poo for the real owner of the team to deal with.

Don L on April 28, 2011 at 6:49 AM

Tell me why a flat tax is not the fairest mechanism?

Bradky on April 27, 2011 at 11:55 PM

Because it shifts the burden to poor and the retired, who have already spent their lives paying a disproportionate progressive tax and have finally earned an expectation of living off of fixed income.

Don L on April 28, 2011 at 6:55 AM

Don L on April 28, 2011 at 6:55 AM

Perfect example of why I think the majority of Americans will balk when asked to sacrifice anything to fix the mess created over several decades. As it stands now most people making less than 50K pay very little in taxes. If you are retired what exactly are you getting taxed on?

As for the running list of definitions for what a moderate is I’d offer this “A moderate is generally far more objective than the hyperpartisans whose myopic fixation on their particular ideology leaves zero room for discussion”

Bradky on April 28, 2011 at 7:05 AM

The whole thing is ridiculous. I have to fill up my car today with $4.15 gas…that bothers me a lot more than this stuff does.

It will never end. Birthers and Truthers will just go on and on with the same old conspiracy theories. Never mind the price of gas or the deficit or the debt..

Terrye on April 28, 2011 at 7:08 AM

I have enjoyed today immensely. Trump deserves all the credit he took. Obama lost big time because he ended up looking to the public as if he caved to one man.

Obama held out a long time, IMHO probably saving the long form, bogus or real, for the magic week before election. Just enough time to swamp the MSM, and paint himself as victim

I agree with Rush, who figures Obama was getting bad polling data.

It is also true the Corsi book is due out, and Obama has to pre empt whatever was in Corsi’s book

It is probable Obama knows what is in the book, so he can stage his package accordingly

Doesn’t hurt Bernanke opened his mouth today, and gas and food are just beginning to cut the public off at the knees. Time for Obama to change the subject

Perfect storm

Even if Trump is working for Hillary, I still offer him a cigar, because the net result is the worse image tarnishing a Prez can take – Trump made Obama look like a puzzy, cat.

Obama put out a birth certificate guaranteed to continue the white noise. Do not assume this is an accident. Obama is worshipped by the folk who write the software, who create the virtual realities, who know how to load or disappear layers. In any case he has enough bucks to get what he needs without them

It is obvious the Prez has a somewhat fabricated past, and a lot of folk are in on the joke. Joke it might well be, since the Prez loves to diss the disgusting nation of his mother’s birth.

Meanwhile, I am surprised Coulter didn’t trip on her hair running to the camera to announce case closed

The Prez is keeping the case open with the product he served up today. He needs the noise.

But Trump isn’t dead. Trump made the public feel empowered, and they have been anything but that for a long long time. I like this guy because he stuck a fork in Obama, and steam came out.

This isn’t what I used to call fun, but it is the most that passes for fun in this corrupted nation

You know there is big time manipulation going on when the password hoarders rise up to swamp the blogs for the guys they work for. These gnats have been working Trump to no avail. That’s the big story, the fact they are afraid they are losing the story line.

entagor on April 28, 2011 at 7:16 AM

Perfect example of why I think the majority of Americans will balk when asked to sacrifice anything to fix the mess created over several decades. As it stands now most people making less than 50K pay very little in taxes. If you are retired what exactly are you getting taxed on?

As for the running list of definitions for what a moderate is I’d offer this “A moderate is generally far more objective than the hyperpartisans whose myopic fixation on their particular ideology leaves zero room for discussion”

Bradky on April 28, 2011 at 7:05 AM

Moderates are people who can be swayed by events, they are not as bound by ideology as the partisans are.

As for people making less than $50,000..I am one of those people. I paid federal taxes, medicare taxes, property taxes, social security taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes..just to name a few. A lot of people who do not make much money don’t pay a lot of federal income taxes because they don’t have the income to pay the taxes on..and even if the government tried to make the system more equitable where the top 3% were not paying so much in taxes vs the rest of the country..it would still end up with the same kind of divide because that is where the money is.

Terrye on April 28, 2011 at 7:21 AM

I have enjoyed today immensely. Trump deserves all the credit he took. Obama lost big time because he ended up looking to the public as if he caved to one man.
entagor on April 28, 2011 at 7:16 AM

No actually Americans as a whole have lost with this entire birther thing. An absolute non-story gets legs and traction for three years. Even when utterly disproved the conspiracy wonks won’t let go.
It pleases you because it is Obama but imagine if Palin were president and the Trig Truthers hounded her into releasing dna samples to prove she is the mother — I don’t think you would consider that a “win”. It only feeds the crazies.
You want to get away from that kind of environment? Then you have to be willing to call BS even if the shovelers are in your party.

Bradky on April 28, 2011 at 7:23 AM

The real question is why this took so long. As well as his transcripts and other history. We really don’t know very much about this guy and what we could know he has sealed the records.

AZfederalist on April 27, 2011 at 10:55 PM

This is what has bothered me from the get-go about ObaMao. His first EO (or was announcing the closing of Gitmo the first?) was to seal all of his personal records. His behavior in such an official capacity was peculiar? His personal information is a state secret? His administration has been cavalier about the release of real state secrets and intelligence. The icing on the cake is that he destroyed political opponents by having court-sealed documents unsealed. What gives?

The fact that he embraced “dreams from his father” in identifying his own personna is also troubling in that his radical ideas echo the philosophy of a man who was not a US citizen. Will someone please define what a natural-born citizen is already?

Our economy and our national security are being undermined by a president of dubious background who prefers the adulation given to celebrities and gets quite testy when asked a fundamental question.

onlineanalyst on April 28, 2011 at 7:26 AM

Terrye on April 28, 2011 at 7:21 AM

Obama paid roughly 16% in federal taxes – I paid about 23%. people making under 50K pay far less than that — I was in that bracket 4 years ago when we depended on one income while enlisted. Now we have quite a bit more and I see the bite every year. I live modestly enough that I don’t ever pass the standard exemption for deductions. Yet in relative percentages I pay more in taxes than the president?
And yes I pay all the other things you listed – once those are paid we are pushing 35-40% of our total income that is gone before the checks hit the bank.

Bradky on April 28, 2011 at 7:27 AM

The way I see the BC; 1) The book was opened to the correct page, 2) placed on a scanner and scanned, 3)then either of two things happened, a) was printed onto green cross-hatch paper or b) opened into Photoshop and the green background added, 4) printed out, 5) stamped with certification stamp and date, and signed, 6) scanned into a PDF file. 7) emailed to the WH.

Dasher on April 28, 2011 at 2:09 AM

Sounds good except they claim they sent a White House attorney to Hawaii to get the copies.

Stayright on April 28, 2011 at 7:45 AM

OT: Shameless royal wedding watcher here. I have been curious about what kind of title Kate will have after the wedding. I didn’t know if she was going to have the HRH designation, be called a princess or what. They just covered this on foxnews today, and she will be an HRH dutchess of some sort. Hopefully allah will set up a royal wedding for the late night/early morning crew tomorrow as we watch the wedding.

karenhasfreedom on April 28, 2011 at 7:51 AM

Palin does not have to prove maternity to be President, but she does have to meet Constitutional requirements to be President

If Trig Truthers could hound Palin into releasing dna samples to prove she is the mother, they might as well demand her shoe size too. Go for broke.

entagor on April 28, 2011 at 7:51 AM

Back to the topic, I enjoyed Rush’s reaction to the trump/obama press conference dual the most yesterday. You can’t buy entertainment that amusing.

karenhasfreedom on April 28, 2011 at 7:53 AM

It pleases you because it is Obama but imagine if Palin were president and the Trig Truthers hounded her into releasing dna samples to prove she is the mother — I don’t think you would consider that a “win”. It only feeds the crazies.
You want to get away from that kind of environment? Then you have to be willing to call BS even if the shovelers are in your party.

Bradky on April 28, 2011 at 7:23 AM

Please stop pushing this bad analogy. Trig’s birth circumstances would in no way potentially cause a constitutional crisis.

fossten on April 28, 2011 at 7:55 AM

You are correct. Mine was issued in New Jersey when I got my first job. Not the state of my birth.
It’s only a 9 digit number. Imagine if they issued a new one each time? Damn thing would be a foot long by now.

katy the mean old lady on April 28, 2011 at 6:14 AM

Wrong!

The nine-digit SSN, which has been issued in more than 400 million different sequences, is divided into three parts:

Area numbers – The first three numbers originally represented the state in which a person first applied for a social security card. Numbers started in the northeast and moved westward. This meant that people on the east coast had the lowest numbers and those on the west coast had the highest. Since 1972, the Social Security Administration (SSA) has assigned numbers and issued cards based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the original application form. Since the applicant’s mailing address doesn’t have to be the same as his residence, his area number doesn’t necessarily represent the state in which he resides.

Group numbers – These two middle digits, which range from 01 through 99, are simply used to break all the SSNs with the same area number into smaller blocks to make administration easier. (The SSA says that, for administrative reasons, group numbers issued first consist of the odd numbers from 01 through 09, and then even numbers from 10 through 98, within each area number assigned to a state. After all the numbers in group 98 of a specific area have been issued, the even groups 02 through 08 are used, followed by odd groups 11 through 99.)

Serial numbers – Within each group designation, serial numbers — the last four digits in an SSN — run consecutively from 0001 through 9999.

According to the SSA, the numbers are not recycled. Upon an individual’s death, the number is removed from the active files and is not reused. Recycling numbers might become an issue someday, but not any time soon — statisticians say that the nine-digit SSN allows for approximately one billion possible combinations!

Stayright on April 28, 2011 at 7:56 AM

entagor on April 28, 2011 at 7:16 AM

The problem with your hypothesis is that this supposed victory is Pyrrhic in nature. Trump got Obama to release a document that supports his position, even if prior to when he wanted too. As the cost of that early release of information that proves Obama was telling the truth the entire time, Trump sacrificed whatever creditability he had. Trump told us he had investigators, investigators who had uncovered shocking facts, investigators who would be submitting a shocking report, that the BC was actually gone.

The media feels duped and now will hammer Trump daily with his own words and promises. They will take every opportunity to show Trump as the carnival barker he is and has always been.

So yes trump won the skirmish, but he lost his entire army (media influence) in the process, still 500 miles from the main battle.

Trump was all tactics no strategy, he pushed forward into the breech with no supply lines, communication or air cover.

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 7:56 AM

The Fox Business clip I posted has lots of great info, but I have to say it’s interesting to me to learn that the wife of the (now deceased) doctor who signed this said today that she was shocked that he was the attending doctor — she and her son had no idea. Funny stuff going on…

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on April 28, 2011 at 7:59 AM

Sorry for posting in a row, but here’s the TMZ link to the doctor’s wife:

http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/27/barack-obama-birth-doctor-delivery-birth-certificate-ivalee-sinclair-dr-david-a-sinclair-attendant/

Interesting that the family are “huge Obama supporters”; hmmmm…

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on April 28, 2011 at 8:02 AM

NextGen: carnival barker? Glad you are using your issued talking points today. Try to be more original, or ask Soros for a raise.

karenhasfreedom on April 28, 2011 at 8:03 AM

entagor on April 28, 2011 at 7:16 AM

Loved your whole post!

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on April 28, 2011 at 8:10 AM

NextGen: carnival barker? Glad you are using your issued talking points today. Try to be more original, or ask Soros for a raise.

karenhasfreedom on April 28, 2011 at 8:03 AM

Or I think it’s a great description. Trump sells the two headed boy, the lizard man and the mermaid, you buy the ticket, go into the tent and you see a kid with a big boil, a old dude with psoriasis and some admittedly pretty girl but normal, swimming around a pool. Nothing he says is true when he sells the ticket, hence the carnival barker.

Better question for you since you want to defend him…a simple question a easy question..

What did Trump tell you that was true?

Hell even his political speech is fake. He rails against Chinese trade imbalance yet his clothing line and his wife’s jewlery line are both made in China!

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 8:11 AM

Sorry for posting in a row, but here’s the TMZ link to the doctor’s wife:

http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/27/barack-obama-birth-doctor-delivery-birth-certificate-ivalee-sinclair-dr-david-a-sinclair-attendant/

Interesting that the family are “huge Obama supporters”; hmmmm…

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on April 28, 2011 at 8:02 AM

It’s interesting that she chairs an advisory committee that advises the Health Department. She’s been on the committe since it formed in 2007.

FWIW, it has been reported elsewhere the doctor was actually Dr. Rodney West.

Stayright on April 28, 2011 at 8:17 AM

License and registration, please.

“Right away, officer… and by “right away” I mean three years because I’ve got more important things to do….”

– Barry Hussein Obama-Carter II

viking01 on April 28, 2011 at 8:22 AM

It’s a matter of Americanism.

kingsjester on April 28, 2011 at 8:22 AM

Stayright on April 28, 2011 at 8:17 AM

Well now, isn’t that interesting? AND she is originally from Kansas.
Wonder if she promised to help the WH and in return got her husband’s name into the history books?

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on April 28, 2011 at 8:24 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eOfYwYyS_c&feature=player_embedded#at=63

This is really quite simple for me… I’m a 57 year old man who went to work in my industry of choice right out of HS at 17 years of age; opened up my first company at 28 years of age, and have now owned and managed businesses in three states for the past 29 years. In that time, I have hired and worked with thousands of men/woman of every race. I have developed a good bullshit filter not out of smarts, but more out of survival skills. Everything about Obama raises red flags within my bullshit filter. Everything about Obama rings loudly of scam/sleeze; a creation and a myth. For me to question anything about this creation is logical based upon the man’s actions when backed up against his words. It’s really simple for me, this man is as dishonest as anybody I have ever encountered in my 57 years of life.

Keemo on April 28, 2011 at 8:24 AM

This was the first concentrated focus on questioning the facade which is Obama. Trump does deserve all the credit. The more people scream racism, the more powerful the push and the closer to understanding the truth about him we get. People acting stupid around Obama does not make him intelligent. He is a shadow, a figure with huge chunks of substance missing. If someone wishes to find out more, they are racists. This needs to continue in order to make sure that a celluloid character never gets elected again. What else do we have to lose in this nation? Let’s address this and the racial issue that the Left keeps trying to attach to it. All that is to be discovered is the racist industry fueled mostly by Blacks is built upon history from over a century and a half ago, and the two dimensional icon they got elected is a sock puppet to keep that hatred alive.

Hening on April 28, 2011 at 8:25 AM

I’m still having problems with all the hand wringing over what this has supposedly done to the Republican party. Most, if not all, people who are elected Republicans have discounted the issue time and time again. And as far as I am concern the Republicans have done plenty of other stupid things that put their chance of leadership in question than this incident.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2011 at 8:29 AM

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2011 at 8:29 AM

It’s the American people who have been asking questions about Obama’s undocumented past. Not the GOP.

kingsjester on April 28, 2011 at 8:31 AM

What did Trump tell you that was true?

Hell even his political speech is fake. He rails against Chinese trade imbalance yet his clothing line and his wife’s jewlery line are both made in China!

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 8:11 AM

His hair isn’t fake though…

neither is his 7 billion
neither is his experience doing business in china

besides he never said don’t trade at all with china…..so what’s your problem?

tinkerthinker on April 28, 2011 at 8:34 AM

Keemo on April 28, 2011 at 8:24 AM

Totally understandable. You have lived the American dream and here is a president that doesn’t believe in it. How can he be real? Legal or not he is not a believer of the uniqueness of this country and it is hard not to peg him as a phony.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2011 at 8:34 AM

What did Trump tell you that was true?

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 8:11 AM

I believe he said the American people haven’t seen the long form bc.

Riddle me this, what was the Abercrombie backtrack all about? Was he ruining Obama’s 2012 campaign’s October surprise to release the document, or, something else?

I agree. Obama raises more red flags than a Chinese army parade.

One cannot and must not try to erase the past merely because it does not fit the present. ~Golda Meir

Fallon on April 28, 2011 at 8:36 AM

License and registration, please.

“Right away, officer… and by “right away” I mean three years because I’ve got more important things to do….”

viking01 on April 28, 2011 at 8:22 AM

Almost a good ananogy….almost. I’ll clean it up for you.

-License and registration, please.
-Sure officer, right here.
-No, I want to see the test you took to get the license..
-But, but officer, that is the license the state issued after I passed the test.
-Well you see, you have a strange name, are black and have a nicer car than I would expect so I want see your test, your application and your divers ed grades. Who knows you might have failed the test or not passed drivers ed and got a license anyway, I’m just making sure…my job you know.
-roll eyes, sure officer…we all know….

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 8:37 AM

Hummmmmm…

That island state sure was ahead of it’s time…. Seems to me the vernacular of the day in 1961 for Barry’s father’s race would of been Negro or Negroid…. That being the case….wonder why they didn’t identify his mother’s race as white.

roflmao

donabernathy on April 28, 2011 at 8:39 AM

Hummmmmm…

That island state sure was ahead of it’s time…. Seems to me the vernacular of the day in 1961 for Barry’s pappy’s race would of been N3gro or N3groid…. That being the case….wonder why they didn’t identify his mammy’s race as white.

roflmao

donabernathy on April 28, 2011 at 8:40 AM

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2011 at 8:34 AM

OT:..I will be glad to get this Royal Wedding over with so we can have Red Eye Back!!!..:)

Dire Straits on April 28, 2011 at 8:41 AM

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 8:37 AM

After observing your posts, I have two questions, birth certificate aside: Do you believe that Obama acts like an American? Secondly, do you believe that America is the greatest country on Earth and should have a president that believes that it is?

kingsjester on April 28, 2011 at 8:42 AM

kingsjester on April 28, 2011 at 8:31 AM

I am sure that is true. Did you see Special Report last night? The media is all to willing to chalk this up to Republican party. They see everything in “sides” and tactics. These are not people we should be getting information from, where everything is a game. While they count “points” the public is the one suffering.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2011 at 8:42 AM

Obama’s birth certificate has revolutionized race relations.

If the Obama-baby-daddy’s race is “African” then nearly all of us can call our race “North American.” Problem solved. All the set asides, employment application and census check boxes and all of Affirmative-action and similar race-based special treatments are now obsolete.

viking01 on April 28, 2011 at 8:43 AM

Coulter’s cringeworthy comment about Lady Diana was in poor taste but I agree with her about monarchies and birthers.

Buy Danish on April 28, 2011 at 8:44 AM

Dire Straits on April 28, 2011 at 8:41 AM

What is the deal with that? I hope the Red Eye folks are enjoying a vacation. As someone who fully intends to watch the wedding, I see no reason for them to cover more than the event itself. These people are crazy.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2011 at 8:44 AM

It’s the American crazy sometimes racist people who still can’t believe this black dude with an Muslim African father is running their country have beenare still asking questions about Obama’s undocumented past.

kingsjester on April 28, 2011 at 8:31 AM

There …fixed..

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 8:45 AM

Buy Danish on April 28, 2011 at 8:44 AM

I didn’t cringe but expecting a nineteen year old girl to take on the task was unfortunate. Way too much living in the public eye, it was hard to imagine a happy ending.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2011 at 8:47 AM

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2011 at 8:44 AM

I don’t know what the deal is!?!.. Guess Fox /Sky wanted to be ahead of the rest!..My wife is going to watch the wedding..Guess you will be pulling a all nighter?..:)

PS..I thought it would have been cool to had the Red Eye team go to London and broadcast from there!..:)

Dire Straits on April 28, 2011 at 8:49 AM

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 8:37 AM

Uh, no.
I think I’ll stick with my original “almost good analogy” where I don’t have to imply the cop doing the questioning must somehow be racially motivated. That’s Jazzy and Sharpton’s gig and a weary diversion at best.

viking01 on April 28, 2011 at 8:52 AM

http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2011/04/27/the-birth-certificate/

The birth certificate issue will not die because most documentary proof is really based on trust. And that was the problem to start with.

Keemo on April 28, 2011 at 8:56 AM

After observing your posts, I have two questions, birth certificate aside: Do you believe that Obama acts like an American? Secondly, do you believe that America is the greatest country on Earth and should have a president that believes that it is?

kingsjester on April 28, 2011 at 8:42 AM

Fair questions…Yes I believe American’s can love the country, have the best interest of the country at heart and disagree on how we achieve those goals. I believe it is inherently UN-American to disparage another patriotism because they happen to disagree on a political choice. The continuum of what was “American’ would swing wildly from ditch to ditch.

I believe America’s greatness is in what it does, it’s leadership on the tough issues, it’s willingness to do what others won’t…not some fake pseudo cheer leading. I believe America is as great as America does, just like every other great society in history. So to answer your underlying question, our greatness has nothing to do with spouting self congratulatory statements, its in the things we accomplish.

I’m pretty pragmatic that way, don’t tell me, show me.

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 8:56 AM

and you can clearly hear the cuss’n and swear’n as Barry popped out in Honolulu.
Limerick on April 27, 2011 at 11:54 PM

Oh, you mean the angry scuffle over who got to slap the baby.

Feedie on April 28, 2011 at 12:06 AM

In this case I think it’s the mother that got the slap.

slickwillie2001 on April 28, 2011 at 8:58 AM

All this “natural born” talk makes me wonder if a person born by Caesarean section is eligible to be President?

thuja on April 28, 2011 at 8:59 AM

PS..I thought it would have been cool to had the Red Eye team go to London and broadcast from there!..:)

Dire Straits on April 28, 2011 at 8:49 AM

I like it!!!!

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2011 at 9:00 AM

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 8:37 AM

Seriously, what on earth does this have to do with race? No one asked Shirley Chisholm, Jesse Jackson, Lenora Fulani, Carol Moseley Braun, Al Sharpton or Alan Keyes for a birth certificate, did they? And yet, John McCain and Harry Truman were asked to produce birth certificates.

“Simply stated, it is sagacious to eschew obfuscation.”

Fallon on April 28, 2011 at 9:01 AM

I like it!!!!

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2011 at 9:00 AM

It would have been interesting to have Prince Harry on that’s for sure!..:)

Dire Straits on April 28, 2011 at 9:04 AM

The first C-section was done in the 1500s in Vienna so The Founders wouldn’t have found footnotes and asterisks necessary for that nor for their understanding that a baby whether pre-born or post-born still counts as Our Posterity.

viking01 on April 28, 2011 at 9:09 AM

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 8:56 AM

So then you agree that Obama has done nothing to make America great and your race-bating is simply trolling. Good to know.

SittingDeadRed on April 28, 2011 at 9:11 AM

SgtSVJones on April 28, 2011 at 3:07 AM

SSN’s are assigned by State. The SSA provides booklets detailing that information. While a number could/may be recycled, the 1st three numbers are based upon either 1) the State location of the field office where the form was filled out and completed or 2) the address on the application if mailed in by an individual…

Gohawgs on April 28, 2011 at 3:21 AM

It is true that social security numbers are assigned by state. At least according to the social security admin http://www.socialsecurity.gov/employer/stateweb.htm

But how does that explain that my daughter who was born in California, got a SS number that begins with 606 (Iowa), no one from our family has ever lived in Iowa. And my social security number begins with 42 (042), and I have never been to Connecticut. Lived in MN or WI during childhood and teen years.

Dasher on April 28, 2011 at 9:16 AM

SittingDeadRed on April 28, 2011 at 9:11 AM

No, I pointing out to the birther crowd that they have had the legal document of standing and 2 50 year old news articles in their hands for years and supported some idiot fake conservative who makes puffed up empty promises….because he suggested he had “shocking” information that his investigators “can’t believe!” turned out to be nothing…yet they don’t have the decency to even admit they were wrong.

I’m not even mad a trump, I’m mad that people who have been so obviously “punked” by Trump and his false claims are still here defending him… what kind of principals is that? What kind of principals say, I hate someone so much that I’ll defend this guy who just lied to my face and made me look like a total ass?

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 9:17 AM

So if people who have been so obviously lied to by this guy can swallow any pretense of principal to still support him, I conclude their support has NOTHING to do with principal and is about something else…the only other thing considering Trumps current behavior and history..is race.

That’s just calling it as I see it…

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 9:19 AM

You will know how badly this hurt Obama when we start hearing reports of Michelle stealing White House artifacts, claiming they are hers because she is “entitled”.

Souveniers of a one term disaster.

I am anxiously anticipating the White House reaction when Trump presses for college records.

Trump trumps affirmative action chumps.

Roy Rogers on April 28, 2011 at 9:21 AM

Obama’s shills must be very uneasy if they’re having to play the race card so quickly.

viking01 on April 28, 2011 at 9:24 AM

viking01 on April 28, 2011 at 9:24 AM

Believe what you want but you are the one who just had someone crap all over you and call it a mud bath, now you thank him for the consideration.

I just want to be able to respect peoples principals that’s all. A good example Ron Paul, you don’t have to agree with his policy prescriptions but I damn well respect his consistent stand on his principals. Trump, not so much..I guess we have just different expectations.

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 9:31 AM

viking01 on April 28, 2011 at 9:24 AM

Believe what you want but you are the one who just had someone crap all over you and call it a mud bath, now you thank him for the consideration.

I just want to be able to respect peoples principals that’s all. A good example Ron Paul, you don’t have to agree with his policy prescriptions but I damn well respect his consistent stand on his principals. Trump, not so much..I guess we have just different expectations.

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 9:31 AM

Utter drivel. Try not to take yourself, victimology and tired race card game quite so seriously. Then maybe someday you can argue about principles.

viking01 on April 28, 2011 at 9:47 AM

I just want to be able to respect peoples principals

I wish the next generation would learn how to spell. The more resources they have at their disposal, the less literate they are.

Basilsbest on April 28, 2011 at 9:48 AM

Will someone please define what a natural-born citizen is already?
onlineanalyst on April 28, 2011 at 7:26 AM

Only the Supreme Court can decide this. They will never take this up as far as Obama’s eligibility is concerned.

VBMax on April 28, 2011 at 9:49 AM

It’s the American crazy sometimes racist people who still can’t believe this black dude with an Muslim African father is running their country have beenare still asking questions about Obama’s undocumented past.

kingsjester on April 28, 2011 at 8:31 AM

There …fixed..

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 8:45 AM

I didn’t ask for it to be. Nice avoidance.

kingsjester on April 28, 2011 at 9:53 AM

Will someone please define what a natural-born citizen is already?
onlineanalyst on April 28, 2011 at 7:26 AM

Only the Supreme Court can decide this. They will never take this up as far as Obama’s eligibility is concerned.

VBMax on April 28, 2011 at 9:49 AM

This will hit the courts fast after the scourge of little Bammie is past, if a Republican candidate ever appears to not qualify re NBC. Then suddenly democratics will discover respect for the rule of law.

slickwillie2001 on April 28, 2011 at 9:54 AM

That’s exactly right. If a Republican had all these issues with their citizenship this would be in the SC before the primaries.

ORconservative on April 28, 2011 at 9:58 AM

Donald Trump is a Republican he is placing Dents in Obama’s public persona. John McCain should have placed these Dents in Obama’s public persona back in 2008 he refused to. When you listen to the media whine about this being below the belt or an unfair political ploy remember ” American Politics Is A Contact Sport” James Carville. Interestingly this whole birth certificate issue was a legacy of the Hillary Clinton (D) campaign of which James Carville was a supporter.

Note to Plouffe “If you can’t play with the big dogs leave your puppy a$$ on the porch”

Dr Evil on April 28, 2011 at 9:59 AM

Utter drivel. Try not to take yourself, victimology and tired race card game quite so seriously. Then maybe someday you can argue about principles.

viking01 on April 28, 2011 at 9:47 AM

And you continue to support a pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-Canadian style universal health care, pro-tax on rich to retire national debt, pro-Reid vs Angle, pro Rangle, Pro schummer, 4 time bankruptcy, 3 time divorcee, con-artist as your standard bearer and pretend to have any principles.

Now, make that argument on policy….fraud.

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 10:00 AM

The Supremes will do their best to ignore this partly from laziness and partly from an expectation of L.A. riots going viral should Zero be called to meet any real standards. That is why Obama’s shills are playing the race card so quickly.

viking01 on April 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM

I just want to be able to respect peoples principals [sic] that’s all.

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 9:31 AM

Really? Then why do you yell ‘racist’ at us when it is quite obvious that it is the man’s policies that we disagree with?

fossten on April 28, 2011 at 10:03 AM

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 10:00 AM

I waiting on you to address my earlier quesions, not avoid them.

By the way, are you the poster formerly known as “The Race Card”?

kingsjester on April 28, 2011 at 10:04 AM

And you continue to support a pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-Canadian style universal health care, pro-tax on rich to retire national debt, pro-Reid vs Angle, pro Rangle, Pro schummer, 4 time bankruptcy, 3 time divorcee, con-artist as your standard bearer and pretend to have any principles.

Now, make that argument on policy….fraud.

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 10:00 AM

If you’ve actually read any of years of my posts on HotAir and that is your summary… you need to check your head.

viking01 on April 28, 2011 at 10:06 AM

Really? Then why do you yell ‘racist’ at us when it is quite obvious that it is the man’s policies that we disagree with?

fossten on April 28, 2011 at 10:03 AM

Actually a fair question….

Because you answered your own question, fight the policy..yell from the roof tops… but the BIRTHER fight, against all logic and proof wasn’t a policy fight.

Here is what I said above ..

And you continue to support a pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-Canadian style universal health care, pro-tax on rich to retire national debt, pro-Reid vs Angle, pro Rangle, Pro schummer, 4 time bankruptcy, 3 time divorcee, con-artist as your standard bearer and pretend to have any principles.

Now, make that argument on policy….fraud.

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 10:00 AM

How can anyone here support Trump and call it a policy fight? He’s been to the left of Obama on many of these issues.

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 10:07 AM

Why release the LFBC now? Why not wait til October, actually there are 2 Octobers for bringing surprises before the election. Is he trying to cut Trump or anyone else doing an investigation off at the pass before something really damaging is uncovered. Maybe he gave up his American citizenship when he moved to Indonesia and never reclaimed it so he could get foreign student aid for college. Who knows?

Kissmygrits on April 28, 2011 at 10:21 AM

Obama claims to be a ‘Constitution Law’ adjunct professor but he doesn’t know the difference between ‘natural’ born and ‘native’ born it seems and neither do most of the media including conservative pundits and writers.

A ‘natural’ born infant is one whose both parents are American citizens either native or naturalized. Place of birth is meaningless.

How does one square the fact his Father is Kenyan on the released birth certificate and he ran for President against the Constitution? Since he bragged about being a Constitutional Law profesor you would think he would certainly know he was not eligible but he ran anyway.

Guess it is more important to move on and throw out over 200 years of the Constitution and what it has to say.

PhiKapMom on April 28, 2011 at 10:48 AM

o if people who have been so obviously lied to by this guy can swallow any pretense of principal to still support him, I conclude their support has NOTHING to do with principal and is about something else…the only other thing considering Trumps current behavior and history..is race.

That’s just calling it as I see it…

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 9:19 AM

Then you are blinded by your ignorant ranting about “racism”

lovingmyUSA on April 28, 2011 at 11:13 AM

NextGen on April 28, 2011 at 8:56 AM

So then you agree that Obama has done nothing to make America great and your race-bating is simply trolling. Good to know.

SittingDeadRed on April 28, 2011 at 9:11 AM

Nail meet hammer

lovingmyUSA on April 28, 2011 at 11:15 AM

SgtSVJones on April 28, 2011 at 3:07 AM

I think it is important to avoid assuming that your personal experience is reflective of the larger norm or indicative of a policy by Social Security. The year in which you obtained your personal SSN is not relevant to the discussion other than to share an anecdote.

I know of many situations of people born in 1970 that obtained their SSN during their first year of birth automagically from the SS Admin. In speaking with the Social Security Administration myself I discovered that a large number of people from the 1970′s have multiple SSNs because of this practice. (My research is better than yours but is still not based on actual documentation but hopefully you can see my point.)

The idea that the Social Security Administration started issuing numbers at birth in the mid 1990s is dubious. One of my children was born in 1991 and we were required by the hospital to fill out his Social Security information before we left. (But please note that this is still not research but personal experience. I would not presume to assume that everyone had this experience or attempt to state what policy was based on this experience.)

May I suggest you base your conclusions on research instead of personal experience. Naturally if you are in possession of some policy statement from Social Security I would be very interested in reading it but since you did not link any I can only assume you are basing your entire assumption on two instances that you are aware of personally.

These kinds of mistakes are typical of what happens with many people. They assume that what happened in their lives is the standard. Obviously that is an unreliable way in which to develop an over arching conclusion. Cheers

NOTE: I am in between classes right now so I don’t have any students to give feedback to.

Mormon Doc on April 28, 2011 at 11:15 AM

The way I see the BC; 1) The book was opened to the correct page, 2) placed on a scanner and scanned, 3)then either of two things happened, a) was printed onto green cross-hatch paper or b) opened into Photoshop and the green background added, 4) printed out, 5) stamped with certification stamp and date, and signed, 6) scanned into a PDF file. 7) emailed to the WH. 6) Picked up at agency, 7) Flew back to DC, and to WH, 8) WH scanned into PDF file. 9) Posted to Internet.

Dasher on April 28, 2011 at 2:09 AM

Sounds good except they claim they sent a White House attorney to Hawaii to get the copies.

Stayright on April 28, 2011 at 7:45 AM

Nit Pickers –

Dasher on April 28, 2011 at 11:51 AM

The first C-section was done in the 1500s in Vienna so The Founders wouldn’t have found footnotes and asterisks necessary for that nor for their understanding that a baby whether pre-born or post-born still counts as Our Posterity. viking01 on April 28, 2011 at 9:09 AM

Cesarean sections were regulated by Roman law…

Akzed on April 28, 2011 at 12:43 PM

A ‘natural’ born infant is one whose both parents are American citizens either native or naturalized. Place of birth is meaningless.

That is my understanding of the issue, too, PhiKapMom.

I ask the question in anticipation of a future run for president by either Bobby Jindal or Marco Rubio.

onlineanalyst on April 28, 2011 at 1:29 PM

Obama claims to be a ‘Constitution Law’ adjunct professor but he doesn’t know the difference between ‘natural’ born and ‘native’ born it seems and neither do most of the media including conservative pundits and writers.

A ‘natural’ born infant is one whose both parents are American citizens either native or naturalized. Place of birth is meaningless.

How does one square the fact his Father is Kenyan on the released birth certificate and he ran for President against the Constitution? Since he bragged about being a Constitutional Law profesor you would think he would certainly know he was not eligible but he ran anyway.

Guess it is more important to move on and throw out over 200 years of the Constitution and what it has to say.

PhiKapMom on April 28, 2011 at 10:48 AM

FINALLY, someone NAILED it.

3 pages in, you did GREAT PhiKapMom.

44Magnum on April 28, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Cesarean sections were regulated by Roman law…

Akzed on April 28, 2011 at 12:43 PM

Just getting back to the now old thread after touching base with various friends near major tornado events.

Thanks. I had forgotten to paste in the key words “in post-Renaissance post-Vesalius medicine” to provide context to my post in reference to an earlier poster’s pondering of how the Founders would have viewed c-section when the Constitution was written. The Vienna event referenced was a landmark for it being the first highly documented and illustrated procedure (in 1549 IIRC) where the patient survived apparently without major complication from the procedure.

viking01 on April 28, 2011 at 10:17 PM

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