Collisions for global security, 2011

posted at 5:11 pm on April 27, 2011 by J.E. Dyer

Momentum is building for two collisions of international interests in 2011.  One involves the nature of the coalition operation in Libya, which carries with it implications about the role of the West in global security in general.  The other is the status of a Palestinian state, and the jockeying of various regional actors to assume the lead role in brokering the fate of Israel.

This post will address the first “collision.” As with anything in global affairs, the collision is not guaranteed, nor is the timing – that is, in 2011.  But the outlines of the collision course are clearly visible.  What is at stake is the leadership of the liberal West – such as it still is – in an international order that inoculates us against  either “global government” or the emergence of rival blocs.

As a superpower, the US has functioned as an alternative to the formation of blocs, which coalesce chiefly around the dynamics of aggression and security fears.  America’s ascendancy has mitigated the tendency of regional collectives to become blocs, which they do by succumbing to unipolar leadership and organizing “against” the nations outside of them.  The EU has been a relatively benign entity because of the existence of the United States as a superpower.  The same can be said of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization in Asia or UNASUR in Latin America, formed in 2008.  None of these entities would have formed quiescently, as a collective of political equals, in the absence of the US as a superpower.

The dimension of military force is key, and in a way we rarely think about except in the breach.  Under liberal Western leadership, expeditionary force has been the prerogative of national governments, and is to be used sparingly and deliberately, for explicit, auditable purposes, after consultation with other stakeholders and a relatively transparent decision process.  This principle is premised above all on the recognition that expeditionary force is disruptive, disjunctive, a breach of order.  It is not a form of police work; it is destabilizing, and while it may sometimes be necessary, is not to be undertaken lightly.

But in Libya in 2011, the US and NATO are making a mistake that surpasses even the anti-humanitarian error of prolonging a resolution for the people of Libya.  We are failing to live up to the standard we ourselves set for the disciplined, accountable use of force.  Point by point, we have been violating our own precepts.

Unfortunately, the Obama administration is the chief culprit in this.  France, Britain, Italy, and the other European contributors have actually done better in some respects than the Obama administration, since their leaders have consulted openly with their representative bodies and kept their people advised of what was going on with the process.

Team Obama, however, besides failing the consultation and transparency tests, has chosen to use force for a non-feasible, non-auditable objective – establishing the condition of “Libyan civilians not being harmed,” independent of any political settlement – and thus acted irresponsibly.  NATO is shooting every day over the skies of Libya, but Libyan civilians continue to be harmed.  Nothing NATO is now doing with force can secure a resolution that will offer them relief.

Yet this is military force we’re talking about here, wielded by one group of sovereign nations against another.  Treating the action as if it doesn’t merit the conventional signs of deliberation and bona fides is inherently destabilizing. Obama’s method of using force doesn’t take either the nature of force or the breach of national sovereignty seriously enough.  Rather than assuming that sovereignty should be breached with force only for the most specific and peremptory of purposes, its premise seems to be: breach first, then calibrate the objective at your leisure.

Now some NATO members are calling for putting military “advisors” on the ground, and the headlines are full of alarms about “mission creep.”  When Dmitry Medvedev is right, he’s right.  The coalition is being urged to exceed its UN charter – which is only to enforce a weapons embargo and no-fly zone – and that’s not what Russia effectively bought into by refraining from using the veto on the Security Council.

The current leadership of the US and NATO has put the West in an untenable position.  What they are doing is not an exemplar of traditional Western force, it’s a post-modern experiment.  Even if Qaddafi is eliminated through a “leadership strike,” the barbaric cynicism of essentially removing him through assassination is hardly a recommendation for the tortured political morality embraced by the 1960s-era, Brussels-mentality left.

The collision that is coming is thus due to two factors:  the West’s inability to achieve a resolution in Libya through the methods it has confined itself to, and its irresponsible, even unethical attitude toward the underpinnings of international security.

Aspiring leadership rivals are plentiful.  They are scrambling now, but what we can expect to see from them are more alternative initiatives for handling Libya (some are already in the works) – along with, soon enough, a host of other regional security issues.  There may be a dramatic moment when Russia exercises a veto at the UN over a proposal from the NATO-led coalition.  But even if there’s not, the West will have lost standing if the threat of a veto limits what it can do in Libya.  It will lose standing if the exertions of a non-US, non-European actor, undertaken in an unrelated initiative, are what obtain a settlement in Libya.  And it will lose standing with every day that the situation in Libya remains unresolved.

Nothing is certain at the moment, including how the various actors will line up.  The “BRICS” group, for example – Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa – condemned the Libya intervention at its 14 April meeting.  Can the BRICS retain their cohesion if Russia or South Africa (or both) presses for a particular resolution in Libya?

Ultimately, they might.  Turkey is heavily involved in the Libya intervention (promising in late March to run the airport in Benghazi, which would install Turkish government officials as gate guards for cargo and personnel throughput there), and has entertained multiple visits by envoys from Qaddafi.  But Qaddafi’s envoys have visited Greece too, Turkey’s rival in NATO and the major landowner directly across the Mediterranean from Libya.  Russia’s Medvedev and Greece’s Giorgios Papandreou consulted on Libya last week, and in the days since, the two nations have jointly negotiated with Qaddafi’s current foreign minister on establishing a ceasefire (to be aided by Russian troops as monitors), while Qaddafi requested Greece’s help in negotiating with NATO.

With Turkey’s activism increasing and NATO Europe looking ineffective, Russia and Greece will find their perceived interests coinciding more and more.  Meanwhile, the indefatigable African Union has finally gotten representatives from Qaddafi and the rebels together this week in its continuing search for a settlement.  The Arab League – Libya’s other principal affiliation – has been fractured and ineffective; it just decided to postpone its scheduled 8 May summit in Baghdad after the Iraqi government expressed support for the Shia protesters in Bahrain.

Russia, Greece, and the African Union are all willing to back a settlement that leaves Qaddafi in a power position of some kind, with final conditions to be negotiated and multinational peacekeepers in Libya.  (The latter factor would be a boon to Russia and/or some members of the African Union.)

The US and Western Europe have backed themselves into the opposite corner.  Turkey retains independence right now in terms of her position on the Libya conflict, effectively siding with NATO but gaining benefits from doing so for her regional aspirations.  The longer we dither, however, the more coherent the alternative proposition will become.  Russia holds veto power over any UN endorsement of a ramp-up in NATO-led operations.  Turkey will almost certainly try to play both sides.  Coalition partners like Italy and Qatar – neither of which is a fan of major military action – may begin to waver.

Only one thing would have the hope of restoring the global power relationships that are being thrown up for grabs, and that is the US taking leadership to secure a resolution in Libya.  Even now it’s not too late in terms of the conditions at hand.  It is highly improbable, however.

J.E. Dyer blogs at The Green Room, Commentary’s “contentions” and as The Optimistic Conservative.  She writes a weekly column for Patheos.

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“one of the best of his presidency”

Talk about a low bar.

Socratease on May 24, 2013 at 12:43 PM

What speech?

I love being able to say that. A speech fell in the forest and I didn’t hear it. Finally!

IndieDogg on May 24, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Platitudes vanish after the first terror attack or drone strike

rob verdi on May 24, 2013 at 12:45 PM

MSNBC is beyond parody. Socratease beat me to what I was going to say.

No Truce With Kings on May 24, 2013 at 12:46 PM

MSLSD:

********** FREE_BASING DA KOOL_AID Again ********!!!

canopfor on May 24, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Tools

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 12:46 PM

They say this every time he talks.
Don’t mean nothin’.

Jabberwock on May 24, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Oh, I was looking at Mika and then I thought you wrote Scandinavia .

Seth Halpern on May 24, 2013 at 12:47 PM

..mindless, mirror-fogging lib prole commentariat easily impressed, low bar, etc.

The War Planner on May 24, 2013 at 12:48 PM

LOL.

pat on May 24, 2013 at 12:50 PM

A definite sign of panic…the house is on fire…firetrucks are on the way….and the neighbors are telling the homeowner how pretty his drapes are….tsk tsk…these PMSNBC people are such mental midgets.

LaRepublican on May 24, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Did he use his teleprompter? Hahahahahahaha.

kemojr on May 24, 2013 at 12:51 PM

President Foreign Policy’s miraculous yet still oddly unmaterialized abilities to move us drastically closer to world peace
=====

And yet,Hopey Wins a Peace Prize for Peace,er,
for…..

…..Fort Hood
Extortion 17
Benghazi
Boston Bombing
Libya/Egypt,
and others I
have missed!

canopfor on May 24, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Squirrel!

forest on May 24, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Somebody should have asked if they could remember a line or theme from the speach.

Tater Salad on May 24, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Why Obama’s speech was one of the best of his presidency.

Why this chase is one of best in Wile E. Coyote’s career.

Why this game was one of the best ever for the Washington Generals.

etcetera

aunursa on May 24, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Shiny things!

No scandals, wingnuts!

Good Lt on May 24, 2013 at 12:54 PM

I bet whatever was showing on HGTV or NAT GEO had higher ratings than Obama’s speech.

Erich66 on May 24, 2013 at 12:54 PM

The Barak Obama Do It Yourself Speech Kit:

Preamble: this must consist of varying portions or iterations of the following; [Place in any order you choose]

“Folks are hurtin’.” [This must be said with feeling, to show caring.]

“We have to invest in the future.” [Translation; Spend Spend Spend!]

“We need a balanced approach.” [Remember, this means Tax Increases so make it sound reasonalbe.]

“My hope and expectation is that we can put country before party and get something done for the American people.”
[This is the crux of the speech, this is where it is emphasized that any disagreement is tantamount to Treason.]

[At this point it is important to have an agenda list that will consist of proposals. Use the following skeleton to introduce each of the agenda items.]

— Obama Introduce a Subject on the Agenda —

“Some would say…” [Insert here a quotation of something No One ever says.]

“let me be perfectly clear…” [This is the place for obfuscation about the subject and any position regarding the subject.]

“We cannot simply just…” [This is where you mention something that would be the exact solution to the problem and the American People know it, i.e. "we cannot simply just drill for all the oil we need."]

“make no mistake about…” [Here is where the Exact Opposite of any of the things which are to take place are stated.]

“I reject the false choice that some would…” [Again, reiterate quotations that No One has ever said followed by Him vs. an idiotic extrapolation of any Republican position.]

“I have ordered my team to…” [Doesn't matter what actions you fill in here, they aren't going to do it.]

— Repeat as needed for new subjects —

Then, in closing you must include a reference to the Bush Administration and “The Failed Policies of the Past.” that we cannot go back to.

jaydee_007 on May 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM

MSNBC: The place for Politics Pissants.

can_con on May 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM

And terrorism is more alive than liberalism, heh.

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Every speech this a$$hat gives is the best of his presidency. Talk about the bigotry of low expectations. What a bunch of racists.

jawkneemusic on May 24, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Chris Hayes is a ratings disaster for them. And as he gets more panicky his voice even goes an octave higher.
He’s amusing.

Marcus on May 24, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Look at all those good results from that Cairo speech.

rbj on May 24, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Pressed kind of ignored the heckler.
If Bush was President the heckler would have gotten more press than the speech.

albill on May 24, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Our current President has not just one, but three scandals which he is under scrutiny about.

They must be serious, because Mooch is talking about going on an extended vacation.

So, what’s a Chicago Politician to do, to escape the heat of public attention? Why, run the ol’ Bait and Switch, of course.

Oh, look! Squirrel!

kingsjester on May 24, 2013 at 12:58 PM

As a student of history this speech ranks right up there with Star Wars and Lost.

Limerick on May 24, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Every speech this a$$hat gives is the best of his presidency. Talk about the bigotry of low expectations. What a bunch of racists.
jawkneemusic on May 24, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Didn’t take you that long to inject the man’s race into this didn’t it? And you wonder why blacks will never accept you tea billies hate the man simply because he’s a black man occupying the “people’s” house.

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Did he get extra credit for planting Media Benjamin?

DanMan on May 24, 2013 at 1:03 PM

The Whorce is strong with these ones, I see…

JohnGalt23 on May 24, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Didn’t take you that long to inject the man’s race into this didn’t it? And you wonder why blacks will never accept you tea billies hate the man simply because he’s a black man occupying the “people’s” house.

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Share with us the stats of how many white people voted for him in 08 and 12….

hillsoftx on May 24, 2013 at 1:04 PM

The One makes a speech, reading recycled lines lies off the teleprompter.

The LSM, who have heard it a zillion times before, react appropriately, by their lights.

That is, they immediately proclaim a New Era of Peace and Prosperity due to His Totally Awesome Awesomeness.

Sierra-Squared, Delta-Squared.

clear ether

eon

eon on May 24, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Wow, what a speech! What scandals?

crrr6 on May 24, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Chris Hayes is a ratings disaster for them. And as he gets more panicky his voice even goes an octave higher.
He’s amusing.

Marcus on May 24, 2013 at 12:57 PM

He’s the female version of Rachael Madcow.

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 1:05 PM

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:00 PM

none of us wonder any such thing, we look at the 98% voting percentage and draw the obvious conclusion

DanMan on May 24, 2013 at 1:05 PM

MSNBC, the home of the Obama circle-jerk…

RedInMD on May 24, 2013 at 1:06 PM

lulz; they think every speech he gives meets that description. Pretty sure these folks are the definition of both ‘sycophant’ and ‘fluffer’.

Midas on May 24, 2013 at 1:06 PM

MSNBC would say the same thing even if shoes were thrown at Obama.

Erich66 on May 24, 2013 at 1:06 PM

*points politely to the “DONT FEED THE TROLLS” sign*

Midas on May 24, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Obama made a speech?

ctmom on May 24, 2013 at 1:07 PM

If Bush was President the heckler would have gotten more press than the speech.

albill on May 24, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Was that woman technically a heckler? I mean when you plant the disruption it really isn’t heckling but abetting.

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 1:07 PM

I accidentally landed on MSNBC last night during Maddow’s opinion piece on the speech. I had to stay and watch for a few minutes. It was startling the way she was trying to spin it. I believe she said, “Epic!” “Turning Point in History!” or some such nonsense.

Once again, I found myself shaking my head in disbelief.

As a student of history this speech ranks right up there with Star Wars and Lost.

Limerick on May 24, 2013 at 12:59 PM

As a viewer of both Star Wars and Lost, you are still being kind to Obama, lol.

Fallon on May 24, 2013 at 1:08 PM

none of us wonder any such thing, we look at the 98% voting percentage and draw the obvious conclusion
DanMan on May 24, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Explain why the same percentage constantly votes for any dem be it black or white? Let me guess? Its because blacks want their Obamaphones and gubmit checks right?

Definitely not because your party is anti minority and more importantly anti working man.

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Obama’s BACK!!!

Whooo hooo!!

The oceans are goin’ to lowered…
Clean air and clean water!!
Wow!!!

Hold on..
Got to catch my breath….

The World is going to love us!!!

Electrongod on May 24, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Didn’t take you that long to inject the man’s race into this didn’t it? And you wonder why blacks will never accept you tea billies hate the man simply because he’s a black man occupying the “people’s” house.

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:00 PM

So, if President Barry Smith, Republican from Illinois, was pursuing low-tax, free trade, free market growth policies, if he was fighting for the unborn, if he was appointing originalist judges, if he was separating industry from government rather than uniting the two… if he was doing all these things that we as conservatives expect from our Republican presidents, is it your contention that we would be abusing him on account of his race?

Stop. Just stop. We’d be treating him as the next coming of Reagan.

We abuse him for his inevitable failure that his asinine Leftist policies are delivering to this once great nation. We believe this nation was no better off for electing a black man president, if done only for the sake of electing a black man president. In this case, we are, in fact, demonstrably worse off.

But then, what did anyone expect from a South Side Democrat on the Potomac… black or white?

JohnGalt23 on May 24, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Wow – it was a great speech. Obama wants to do great things as president but it’s too bad that the government is so big and unwieldy that he doesn’t have any responsibility for it.

gwelf on May 24, 2013 at 1:13 PM

How committed are they to going down with the ship? If this presidency ends as it should, in public disgrace and the shattering of the Democratic coalition, will MSNBC share its fate?

Sorry, but I have fantasies of justice.

njcommuter on May 24, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Of course Rachel Maddow lauds the Obambi to keep her job.
And then 45 minutes into the show she interviews her Slate buddy who is writing a story and making a movie about a poor poor 16 years old kid killed by an Obama drone and then softly and suddenly Obama really is a pig isn’t he.

She is completely an act and repeats talking points just like Scarborough for a paycheck. Rachel doesn’t like killer drones.

Marcus on May 24, 2013 at 1:15 PM

US drone program

Lawyer leading UN drone inquiry praises speech by President Obama as a ‘significant step towards increased transparency’ – @BBCNews

Submitted 6 hours ago from http://www.bbc.co.uk by editor
==================================================

Full text of Obama’s speech on terrorism released – White House via @AP

Submitted 22 hours ago from bigstory.ap.org by editor

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/text-president-obama-speech-terrorism
==========

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/us-drone-program

canopfor on May 24, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Definitely not because your party is anti minority and more importantly anti working man.

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Please do tell us how well the minority/working man is doing under Obama’s regime.

gwelf on May 24, 2013 at 1:15 PM

anti working man.

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Define working man for us HAL. Because I get the sense that you pretty much dismiss the majority of producers (i.e. taxpayers) in the number of Americans you think work for a living.

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 1:16 PM

That huddle at the WH :
“No matter what I say in the speech, THIS is how you’ll respond, k ?”

pambi on May 24, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Do they hear things differently?

Because Obama sounded and looked angry, bitter, and showed very little bravado.

portlandon on May 24, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Definitely not because your party is anti minority and more importantly anti working man.

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:12 PM

*citation needed

Good Lt on May 24, 2013 at 1:18 PM

I thought it was more like…IRRELEVANT…

Pest on May 24, 2013 at 1:19 PM

That huddle at the WH :
“No matter what I say in the speech, THIS is how you’ll respond, k ?”

pambi on May 24, 2013 at 1:17 PM

That was my thought entirely. I think they thought that if they all cooed loudly enough it would drown out the drumbeat of scandals that are all going on at once.

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 1:19 PM

So,another Speech,and thats all the Community Crock-Stirring
Agitationary Organizer ever does,

and then moves on to another venue,and its Speechification
Speechy all over again,like the movie,

*GroundHog Day*!!

canopfor on May 24, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Valerie trained them well

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Midas on May 24, 2013 at 1:07 PM

sorry

DanMan on May 24, 2013 at 1:24 PM

WILL NO ONE RESCUE THAT POOR CHICKEN????

kim roy on May 24, 2013 at 1:29 PM

MSLSD:

********** FREE_BASING DA KOOL_AID Again ********!!!

canopfor on May 24, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Exactly what I was thinking.

MSNBC: “Wow!! aMAZing! Bestest kool-aid EVAH!!” *smacks lips*

If Bush was President the heckler would have gotten more press than the speech.

albill on May 24, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Was that woman technically a heckler? I mean when you plant the disruption it really isn’t heckling but abetting.

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Considering she was Media Benjamin of Code Pink, my suspicion is that someone in the penumbra of the White House gave her a call and suggested she might wanna kinda be there, to um, you know, voice her opinions, and do it loud. Because it sounded so darn contrived and convenient. She’s screaming about closing Gitmo, so he can conveniently say, “hey lady, I’m doing it as fast as I can.”

It wouldn’t surprise me if she was a plant–if the IRS can plant a question to start a controversy, why not Der Leader?

theotherone on May 24, 2013 at 1:30 PM

JohnGalt23 on May 24, 2013 at 1:13 PM

This has little to do with a policy disagreement. Obama has been the most hated president by the billies since this country’s founding. You all disagreed with Clinton when he was president and never once did we see this kind of vitriol towards him.
Go to any tea billy rally and see the signs they carry. Go back to Kenya! Muslim President! Show us your birth certificate! Very little to do with policy differences.

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Didn’t take you that long to inject the man’s race into this didn’t it? And you wonder why blacks will never accept you tea billies hate the man simply because he’s a black man occupying the “people’s” house.

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Desperate troll is desperate.

kim roy on May 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM

I guess when comparing BS to BS it was probably some of his best BS.

iceman1960 on May 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Can’t wait to hear what laurels MSNBC will be heaping on to The One’s next utterings.

WestTexasBirdDog on May 24, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Explain why the same percentage constantly votes for any dem be it black or white? Let me guess? Its because blacks want their Obamaphones and gubmit checks right?

Definitely not because your party is anti minority and more importantly anti working man.

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Thanks so much for illustrating perfectly why O’bama lost the college graduate vote in 2012, and won only by increasing his share of the high school dropout vote from 70% to 80%.

As for the Republicans being “anti=minority”, years before your parents were even born the first modern-day African American US Senator was sworn in. Republican Edward Brooke. He was there at the same time as your Party’s senior statesman Bobby “Sheets” Byrd, who was a Keagle in the KKK.

As for “working man”, tell us again why the unemployment rate (especially among minorities) is much higher now than it was when Chimpy Bush was in office.

F-

Del Dolemonte on May 24, 2013 at 1:33 PM

I’m not old enough to know… Did the press say that about Nixon’s checkers speech?

Skywise on May 24, 2013 at 1:33 PM

You all disagreed with Clinton when he was president and never once did we see this kind of vitriol towards him.

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Sure we did. But since you were in diapers back then, you were too young to remember it.

Clinton was called a murderer, and any search on the Democrat Search Engine Google will produce plenty of results. He was also accused of being a drug runner (see “Mena”), and even an undercover CIA agent (see “Mena”).

BTW, we impeached Clinton. We haven’t impeached O’bama. So using your own “logic”, we’re giving O’bama a better shake than we gave Clenis.

A+

Del Dolemonte on May 24, 2013 at 1:38 PM

MSDNC is becoming a parody of itself, assuming that’s possible.

farsighted on May 24, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Wait, Obama gave a speech yesterday? Does He know He gave a speech yesterday?

CJ on May 24, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Talk about a low bar.

Socratease on May 24, 2013 at 12:43 PM

That is a pole vault bar lying on the ground. It is the only way he can get over it.

chemman on May 24, 2013 at 1:43 PM

I bet whatever was showing on HGTV or NAT GEO had higher ratings than Obama’s speech.

Erich66 on May 24, 2013 at 12:54 PM

It was televised?

Definitely not because the media portrays your party as anti minority and more importantly anti working man.

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:12 PM

FIFY

talkingpoints on May 24, 2013 at 1:43 PM

It WAS one of his best speeches. He promised to drone less, which I interpret to mean he won’t be giving as many speeches. I can’t complain about that.

The Rogue Tomato on May 24, 2013 at 1:44 PM

I have asked this question before, and I have to ask it again!

Who the hell actually watches MSNBC? And why do some companies insist on sponsoring this joke of a network to begin with?

pilamaye on May 24, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Go to any tea billy rally and see the signs they carry. Go back to Kenya! Muslim President! Show us your birth certificate! Very little to do with policy differences.

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Been to many TEA party rallies, have you? Or are you merely engaging in rectal speak?

As usual…

JohnGalt23 on May 24, 2013 at 1:46 PM

the Nobel Peace Prize that he totally earned a mere nine months into his presidency?

The same Nobel Peace Prize he was nominated for even before he won the Democratic Party nomination for president.

ButterflyDragon on May 24, 2013 at 1:47 PM

He promised to drone less, which I interpret to mean he won’t be giving as many speeches. I can’t complain about that.

The Rogue Tomato on May 24, 2013 at 1:44 PM

I don’t think I’ve told you, but I’m a fan of your zingers.

Fallon on May 24, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Oh, look. HA’s dumbest lowest IQ troll is putting in an extended appearance instead of doing a drive-by.

To put its comments in perspective…

… you are constantly trying to reason with the ultra fringe crazies on this blog… do not waste your time trying to engage these fools… most are fringe crazies… one or two of them …haven’t ventured into insane land.

HotAirLib on April 20, 2013 at 5:15 PM

You don’t change minds hauling personal insults with those you disagree with.

HotAirLib on April 20, 2013 at 6:44 PM

lololol if you think my goal here is to change minds.

HotAirLib on April 20, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Enjoy the show.

farsighted on May 24, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Hilarious. I bet their 12 viewers were impressed, too.

I refuse to look – did they have a screenshot of his prom pictures up too? Or is that only on their bedroom ceilings?

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on May 24, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Go to any tea billy rally and see the signs they carry. Go back to Kenya! Muslim President! Show us your birth certificate! Very little to do with policy differences.

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Quit melding the Lyndon LaRouche people in with the tea party. Yes, the LaRouche nutjobs always show up to the tea party events, but they have nothing in common with them.

ButterflyDragon on May 24, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Didn’t take you that long to inject the man’s race into this didn’t it? And you wonder why blacks will never accept you tea billies hate the man simply because he’s a black man occupying the “people’s” house.

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:00 PM

You and your ilk refuse to criticize a black man because a he’s black, so who’s the racists? Look in the mirror a$$hole.

jawkneemusic on May 24, 2013 at 1:50 PM

You all disagreed with Clinton when he was president and never once did we see this kind of vitriol towards him.

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Yeah. We only impeached him.

And I have yet to see a ChimpyMcBushObamaHitler call sign yet.

Although maybe it’s about time…

JohnGalt23 on May 24, 2013 at 1:51 PM

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:31 PM

The standard for vitriol against presidents was set by people like you HAL against Reagan and then again against Bush II.

chemman on May 24, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Hope they all brought a change of clothes.

Orgasms can get messy.

fogw on May 24, 2013 at 1:54 PM

This speech was historic. Yeah, historically bad.

RDE2010 on May 24, 2013 at 1:57 PM

As a student of history this speech ranks right up there with Star Wars and Lost.

Limerick on May 24, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Hey, I liked “Star Wars”. Well not I, II or III and VI wasn’t all that great with that teddy bear picnic. “Lost” had great looking woman. Come on, did anyone really watch it for the story? That’s like saying you read girly mags for the articles.

Dr. Frank Enstine on May 24, 2013 at 1:58 PM

MSNBC consensus:

Obama’s speech was historic, amazing, “one of the best of his presidency

Pom Poms sold separately.

ToddPA on May 24, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Hope they all brought a change of clothes.

Orgasms can get messy.

They swallow every utterance, so no worries.

MarkT on May 24, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Didn’t take you that long to inject the man’s race into this didn’t it? And you wonder why blacks will never accept you tea billies hate the man simply because he’s a black man occupying the “people’s” house.

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:00 PM

What a MORON!

98% of blacks voted for Obama based on NOTHING BUT race. Including you. A simple Google search is all it takes to enlighten you. Oh and I meant enlighten in the literary sense just in case you racist mindset starts playing tricks on you again.

HotAirian on May 24, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Didn’t take you that long to inject the man’s race into this didn’t it? And you wonder why blacks will never accept you tea billies hate the man simply because he’s a black man occupying the “people’s” house.

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:00 PM

“billies”

Racist much jerk?

and the plain fact is, if blacks weren’t so stuck in the universe of victim, they’d be able to see beyond the color of the person we’re talking about..

why the rest of America knows Obama could confess to, provide video of being an ax murderer on the next State of the Union and democrat blacks would still call outrage about it racist.

Still check the race of the reporter..

left wing black.. ok..

nonpartisan white…. mummble.. mummble … Hiiissssss RACIST!…

You are the victim of your own petty hatreds of whites, of Asians.. ANY race other than your own. The DNC has spent decades in urban schools teaching black democrats to see race under every leaf, every blade of grass.. so you CAN’T see anything else.

worse.. you don’t want too.

You don’t get, working class whites are no more connected than you are, and STILL you blame us for every failure, every misery. My family never owned slaves.. sent six men to fight in Union Blue.. I haven’t done anything to you.. to your family.. and none of us has..

That generation passed a long time ago.. but you blame the grandchildren of your ancestors enemies as if we had anything to do with it. You see white skin.. or republicans.. and ramble off every possible accusation, mindless, irrational.. the ones fixated on race are the Obama sycophants who see his skin tone only.. and decide there could never be any other reason as you blindly ignore his past, his own words.

So blind, so suck in your eternal quest to blame the white devil “billie”.. you can’t even see how the racism exposed is your own.

and claiming we never went after Clinton?

are you really going to stick with that? we impeached him.. questioned HIS many scandals.. but your own petty little ego can’t accept we’d go after a “white” president..

wow… just.. wow.

buy a mirror chump.. your own petty bigotry is showing.

mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 2:09 PM

A Peace Prize to a man that has a Drone War going on in 20 Muslim countries.

faraway on May 24, 2013 at 2:12 PM

If the brown-nosers at MSNBC get any further up in there, we’re going to have to install an oxygen tube. lol
How sad was that “mash-up” clip? Wow.

Murf76 on May 24, 2013 at 2:13 PM

The media is becoming like the battered wife in an abusive marriage. All the media wants is Obama to tell them he loves them…and they’ll believe it.

MadisonConservative on May 24, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Didn’t take you that long to inject the man’s race into this didn’t it? And you wonder why blacks will never accept you tea billies hate the man simply because he’s a black man occupying the “people’s” house.

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:00 PM

You am talk funny.

itsspideyman on May 24, 2013 at 2:24 PM

When you are referring to a mediocre president, ‘his best’ doesn’t mean very much.

zoyclem on May 24, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Only they and their 6 viewers actually believe that.

Cherokee on May 24, 2013 at 2:31 PM

…you tea billies…

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Oh I see…you call out others for bigotry while demonstrating your own. I guess we should think of you as one of those ‘enlightened bigots’.

zoyclem on May 24, 2013 at 2:33 PM

He’s the female version of Rachael Madcow.

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 1:05 PM


Nice!.. I like that one.. :-)

Al Hall on May 24, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Didn’t take you that long to inject the man’s race into this didn’t it? And you wonder why blacks will never accept you tea billies hate the man simply because he’s a black man occupying the “people’s” house.

HotAirLib on May 24, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Get your head out of your six o clock. The commenter you replied to called MSNBC racists and did not mention OBUMMER’s race.

hamradio on May 24, 2013 at 2:40 PM

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