Video: Audience members yell at each other during GOP townhall on Ryan’s budget

posted at 5:43 pm on April 26, 2011 by Allahpundit

A scene from the entitlements war via Glenn Thrush; the hapless congressman presiding over the screaming is Dan Webster, a.k.a. the man who sent Alan Grayson into retirement. (Or did he?) Supposedly Democrats are waiting for August, when the Ryan budget is front and center on the national agenda, to make a media spectacle of congressional townhalls the way conservatives did with ObamaCare two years ago. But as always, there are early adopters. A choice quote from the Sentinel’s story on Webster’s powwow:

Webster tried to go over a series of charts showing growing levels of federal spending and debt, and the reason he supports the federal budget plan put forward by Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis. But he was interrupted at every turn by shouts from his critics, including members of progressive groups such as Moveon.org and Organize Now

Two Orlando police officers moved to the front of the room and flanked Webster, and pleaded for decorum when the congressman could no longer be heard.

“It’s not going to be solved by yelling and screaming and hollering,” the officer said. “Let’s conduct ourselves like grown people.”

How do they know there were people there from MoveOn? I expect Democrats to astroturf these crowds with progressive groups and union members — they’ve done it before, after all, while luminaries like Pelosi and Reid falsely accused conservatives of the same tactic — but they’d have to be awfully stupid to wear t-shirts or other paraphernalia identifying them as ‘turfers. How’d the Sentinel figure it out? Did the attendees actually admit to reporters afterwards that they were there to express America’s alleged grassroots rage as part of a MoveOn group? Smart.

Stick with it, as there’s plenty of pushback.

 


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Gettin’ uglier out there…

OmahaConservative on April 26, 2011 at 5:46 PM

I blame Teleprompter Jesus:

“Get in their faces.”

CDeb on April 26, 2011 at 5:50 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/medicare/157793-boehner-again-offers-tepid-support-for-ryans-medicare-plan

Boehner on Ryan’s Medicare plan:

“I’m for it,” Boehner told the news channel. “It’s our idea. Right? It’s Paul’s idea. Other people have other ideas. I’m not wedded to one single idea, but I think it’s — we have a plan.”

Come on man. Grow a pair.

Mark1971 on April 26, 2011 at 5:51 PM

This is what happens with a nanny state. It allows stupid people to breed.

Used to be stupid people didn’t live long enough to have the opportunity. But now stupid people are protected at every turn and have been breeding in abundance.

Idiocracy is here folks. Adjust.

Get used to it.

The only thing we can do is prepare our children, grandchildren and future generations how best to cope with the aftermath when it’s all over and they are left to rebuild this nation.

ButterflyDragon on April 26, 2011 at 5:51 PM

The left is always going to mount protests. That’s their game plan, their modus operandi. Angry conservatives besieging town hall meetings last year was an almost ironic aberration.

Drained Brain on April 26, 2011 at 5:52 PM

” I expect Democrats to astroturf these crowds with progressive groups and union members — …”

Democrat Play Book…

… Page 2.

Seven Percent Solution on April 26, 2011 at 5:53 PM

They will need to talk persuasively about what entitlement reform means. It is not simply a way to reduce the debt and grow the economy; they should stress that it is absolutely necessary to preserve the lifetime security that entitlements provide.

At least it wasn’t someone our side attacking the people trying to do something.

petunia on April 26, 2011 at 5:53 PM

GReat time for me to go… that last post was… mixed.

petunia on April 26, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Producers vs. looters. Expect a lot more of this.

beatcanvas on April 26, 2011 at 5:53 PM

The Congressman did a good job in the wrap up.

You would think the great mass of intelligence in DC would be able to come up with a decent analogy for Main Street of why cutting tax rates for Corporations is in the Nation’s best interests.

Jimmy Doolittle on April 26, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Participative democracy, what’s the problem?

Just be glad this isn’t the middle east, there would be things other than shouts flying.

Bishop on April 26, 2011 at 5:54 PM

These people are thugs and they are fools. People will not put up with this sh*t. Bring it unions. This brand of Alinskism will be flushed out for what it is: Organized Astroturf. Idiots. This will bite Dems in the *ss more than anything yet!!

JAM on April 26, 2011 at 5:54 PM

If this is the best they’ve got we’re in good shape.

IronDioPriest on April 26, 2011 at 5:56 PM

The left is always going to mount protests. That’s their game plan, their modus operandi. Angry conservatives besieging town hall meetings last year was an almost ironic aberration.

Drained Brain on April 26, 2011 at 5:52 PM

…yet we have truth and credibility on our side. It’s time for us to be as loud and organized, even greater than last year.

Bee on April 26, 2011 at 5:56 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/medicare/157793-boehner-again-offers-tepid-support-for-ryans-medicare-plan

Boehner on Ryan’s Medicare plan:

“I’m for it,” Boehner told the news channel. “It’s our idea. Right? It’s Paul’s idea. Other people have other ideas. I’m not wedded to one single idea, but I think it’s — we have a plan.”

Come on man. Grow a pair.

Mark1971 on April 26, 2011 at 5:51 PM

You know I am not the biggest fan of Ryan’s plan because I don’t think it goes far enough, but Boehner is just pathetic.

He’s tipping his hand AGAIN that he won’t push the Ryan plan which weakens any negotiating position he takes.

I have to wonder of General Weepy is really this stupid, or is he just playing a part in a sham confrontation?

We all know how this is going to end in any case.

sharrukin on April 26, 2011 at 5:57 PM

“But we can afford tax cuts for the Koch Brothers?!”

LOL. At least they’ve finally learned how to pronounce the name. Bet they still have no idea who they are though.

Go RBNY on April 26, 2011 at 5:57 PM

I guess the vid didn’t capture the really disrupting parts. It didn’t look like a big deal to me and the back and forth by the public is good thing in my opinion.

Dusty on April 26, 2011 at 5:57 PM

This is encouraging. A few years ago, the commies could have shut that event down. Now they are getting shouted down.

forest on April 26, 2011 at 5:57 PM

including members of progressive groups such as Moveon.org and Organize Now…

Tom_Shipley and crr6 were spotted?

Schadenfreude on April 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM

I’m thinking,

Astro-Turf,Seeded,planted,maybe,
I dunno!!!

canopfor on April 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM

but they’d have to be awfully stupid to wear t-shirts or other paraphernalia identifying them as ‘turfers.

You underestimate, AP. At my local townhall in August 2009, the lefties all wore armbands to show support for the health care bill. Yes, armbands.

Abby Adams on April 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM

How do they know there were people there from MoveOn?

You must not have noticed all the matching red stickers.

cschande on April 26, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Not advocating, just observing, this is going to have to be settled in the streets.

ronsfi on April 26, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Stick with it, as there’s plenty of pushback.

I don’t know about the rest of you…

… but I’m looking forward to the next town hall meeting I am going to attend.

“I came here to chew bubble gum…

… and kick a goon’s a%s!

And I’m all out of bubble gum!”

Seven Percent Solution on April 26, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Drained Brain on April 26, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Well put. They’ve been “organizing communities” for decades and have truly mastered the art of shouting others down. I hate that we’ve had to deploy some of their tactics, but at least when we did it, it was spontaneous and not the ironical astroturfing of San Fran Nanny’s imagination.

MJBrutus on April 26, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Participative democracy, what’s the problem?

Just be glad this isn’t the middle east, there would be things other than shouts flying.

Bishop on April 26, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Won’t be much longer now.

Midas on April 26, 2011 at 6:04 PM

All the blabbermouths had pink stickers on them so yeah it was astro-turfing.

sharrukin on April 26, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Not advocating, just observing, this is going to have to be settled in the streets.

ronsfi on April 26, 2011 at 5:59 PM

You’re in the wrong place. I think you’re looking for the SEIU forums.

Go RBNY on April 26, 2011 at 6:05 PM

I knew the radical left was going to be adjusting their alinsky tactics to intimidate congressman. Only problem is you can see how fake they are vs the real problems with O-care.

clement on April 26, 2011 at 6:07 PM

People in the tea party need to bring their cameras and start profiling who some of these astroturf hecklers are. If some of these people can be exposed as left-wing agitators who are there to just put on a show for the cameras then this tactic by the Dems won’t work.

gumble on April 26, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Geez, last summer we had Tea Partiers shutting down democrat town halls, democrats canceling them all over the country because of protests. Here, you’ve got two unemployed guys and some woman with an accent who read moveon.org making incoherent statements, and Politico says: Webster town hall ‘degenerates into bedlam.’ “Bedlam”? Give me a break. It was like 300 to 3 in that room. That ain’t bedlam. That’s a smackdown. Liberals lose again.

Rational Thought on April 26, 2011 at 6:10 PM

Just be glad this isn’t the middle east, there would be things other than shouts flying.

Bishop on April 26, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Can’t watch it all the way through, 1/2 my brain is disgusted and wants to get physical the other half is disgusted and doesn’t even give a crap anymore.

fourdeucer on April 26, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Tom_Shipley and crr6 were spotted?

Schadenfreude on April 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM

ROFLMAO!!!

I think Sesspool was spotted as well. ;) LOL

capejasmine on April 26, 2011 at 6:18 PM

Bruti, were you there?

kingsjester on April 26, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Participative democracy, what’s the problem?

Just be glad this isn’t the middle east, there would be things other than shouts flying.

Bishop on April 26, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Oh right, just like Obama said to get in their faces, bring a gun to a knife fight, etc. Thats not democracy and you know it. It’s bullying plain pure and simple. And just a big hint there Mr. Bishop…..it aint working anymore.

Johnnyreb on April 26, 2011 at 6:22 PM

By the coda, Dan Webster worked out the tempo of his presentation.

maverick muse on April 26, 2011 at 6:22 PM

” I expect Democrats to astroturf these crowds with progressive groups and union members — …”

Democrat Play Book…

… Page 2.

Seven Percent Solution on April 26, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Exactly! Yep.. wearing a baseball cap, picture of Reagan pinned to his chest and waving the flag while demanding his freebies not be cut!

JellyToast on April 26, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Go RBNY on April 26, 2011 at 6:05 PM

.
The SEIU are the ones who will make it impossible to settle civilly.

ronsfi on April 26, 2011 at 6:25 PM

How do they know there were people there from MoveOn?

You must not have noticed all the matching red stickers.

cschande on April 26, 2011 at 5:59 PM

They have to show their red stickers to get back on the bus!!!

landlines on April 26, 2011 at 6:26 PM

Interesting!!
=================

Town Hall Disruption Memo Sample
********************************

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/9481224/Town-Hall-Disruption-Memo-Sample

canopfor on April 26, 2011 at 6:27 PM

At each one of these events someone should go out and siphon all of the gas out of the cars that have an Obama sticker, SEIU sticker etc… affixed to their bumper. It will be just like when I look in my wallet for money I no longer have because the govt. took it already.

multiuseless on April 26, 2011 at 6:29 PM

Johnnyreb on April 26, 2011 at 6:22 PM

I didn’t see any knifings or shootings in that vid, just people shouting and carrying on. Were some of them plants, sure, but most weren’t. I’m not ready yet to shut down the town hall process because some leftist dorks decide to be disruptive; there are other ways around them.

Bishop on April 26, 2011 at 6:32 PM

This could be another hidden camera opportunity for James O’Keefe. Expose all the astroturf organizing the Dems are doing to get people to disrupt town hall meetings.

gumble on April 26, 2011 at 6:38 PM

I have to wonder of General Weepy is really this stupid, or is he just playing a part in a sham confrontation?

Who’s kidding whom. The GOP fights like metrosexuals. Boehner has jsut said that he Trusts Obama.

Why would anyone ever vote GOP after that stupidity, when they now admit the enemy is trustworthy plus loaded with free goodies and absolution from all guilt due to racism and using the environment without Ghia’s permission?

Why bother voting anymore?

Don L on April 26, 2011 at 6:40 PM

Interesting Part 2,Its War
==========================

Paul Ryan’s Budget Becomes Bogeyman Uniting Progressives, Democrats
04/25/11
************

The Democratic National Committee and Organizing for America — still smarting from the backlash they incurred for getting involved in Wisconsin’s budget fight — have largely left current demonstrations to the demonstrators.

But not everyone is keeping their distance.

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The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) has touted the disruptions at the town hall forums and, pivoting off those events, has been hammering the GOP’s budget, launching a new web ad and the website Stop Benefit Cuts.
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They’ve also chipped in with some organizational help: ensuring that people know where the events are and how to get there. Labor groups and progressive outfits have gladly filled in the gaps.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Americans United for Change, an Obama-allied group, has become the de-facto organizer of the movement.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

It has helped to cover various functions, including event responses. The group released a series of television ads on Monday targeting various House members. That followed a robocall with the same basic purpose.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
“We’re expecting to be in non-stop election mode until November 2012 — and we’ve never seen that before,” Chheda said.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Democratic operatives are drawn to this energy like moths around the first campfire of the season. And they want to export it to other states.

“Right. Exactly,” agreed one nationally focused Democratic operative.

The Center for American Progress, which also has close ties to the White House, has sent trackers to film various events. New Media Partners, a Democratic-oriented consulting firm, has pitched these same events to local and national reporters in search of more earned-media.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/25/paul-ryans-budget-angry-democrats-town-halls_n_853553.html

canopfor on April 26, 2011 at 6:40 PM

Why bother voting anymore?

Don L on April 26, 2011 at 6:40 PM

I don’t honestly there is much point to it anymore. The GOP is a waste of time.

sharrukin on April 26, 2011 at 6:41 PM

I say we need to “Spend baby spend!” If we’re going to do this, let’s do it good. Debt limit? Who needs one? The Kock brothers? Take all their money right now! That will buys us an extra hour or two. Hip replacements for everyone right frackin now! FREE EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE WORLD!

j_galt on April 26, 2011 at 6:58 PM

THIS IS A LOSING BATTLE …

GOP comes up with a great idea … “Hey, let’s motivate the LIBERAL base by giving democrats a softball issue to demagogue in 2012!”

Liberals JUST LOVE spouting the line about the GOP wanting to get rid of Social Security and Medicare – and along comes the GOP to put that very issue front and center for 2012!!

Nevermind the fact that Paul Ryan’s budget (as written) has absolutely no chance of passing the Senate – much less overriding a Presidential VETO. Forget about all that! With absolutely nothing to gain – we charge into the abyss!!

Please.

The next two years shouldn’t have been about a budget that is going to get carved to pieces by Democrats and Obama – and deflating the Conservative base when it happens.

The NEXT TWO years should have been about a debate over what government should and should not do. Paul Ryan’s budget is for 2013 – when the GOP has the government and White House back. Until then – we should have kept the Dims on the ropes defending funding for Cowboy poetry, Illegal federal funded abortions, funding for Jesus urine statues, the NPR, PBS, the DEA (both of them) …

Yeah – I know – peanuts right? Nope … it’s not. Because although Americans eventually will accept cuts to SS and Medicare – they won’t accept them until you defund the stupid stuff. Why should any American agree to delay their retirement even one day while the government is still funding artists to create offensive art? While the government is still taking MY money to kill babies?

It’s crazy – cart before the horse BS!!

And it’s gonna sink us.

HondaV65 on April 26, 2011 at 6:59 PM

Not advocating, just observing, this is going to have to be settled in the streets.

ronsfi on April 26, 2011 at 5:59 PM

You’re in the wrong place. I think you’re looking for the SEIU forums.

Go RBNY on April 26, 2011 at 6:05 PM

No, brainiac, YOU’RE in the wrong place. The reality of the situation is that this may come to blows. If you’re scared already, you may wanna put on your big boy/girl pants and gear up to defend your damn liberty. If someone breaks into your house to steal something, do you show them to your valuables? Hope the police arrive on time?

The libtards have had their 80 year orgy. It’s about damn time that someone cut them off. If you think that a heroin addict has a rough go at detox, just wait until you see what happens to the people high on 80 years of pissed-away prosperity.

Levinite on April 26, 2011 at 7:01 PM

Levinite on April 26, 2011 at 7:01 PM

You have a good point.

The fact is – we are living through what either will be the last days of the Republic – or the RE-BIRTH of the Republic. The current phase – the slide into bankruptcy phase – will see political groups fighting for an ever shrinking piece of the federal pie.

We need to recognize that’s happening – and start fighting to keep the pie AWAY from the Unions, from the Socialists, from the Liberal special interest groups. We need to TAKE their money away.

Which is why fighting for the Ryan budget right now – when we haven’t the slightest chance of passing it – makes no sense. Better to start TAKING MONEY from liberals – like the NEA, the DEA, PBS, NPR – PPP … etc …

We attack THOSE FUNDS.

We don’t attack grandma and grandpa – hell, some of them vote for our side.

HondaV65 on April 26, 2011 at 7:13 PM

Mr. Webster shows far more class than we’ve seen from the Libs who are challenged regarding their stance.

I applaud Mr. Webster … in the same situation, I’d have a hard time maintaining my cool. That’s why I don’t enter the fray as a canditate for Governmental representation. My message would be: ribs (left hook) heart (straight right) jaw (left hook)… You’re Ouuuut!

Thank you Sir … you’re a class act and I wouldn’t be able to uphold the same standard.

ORrighty on April 26, 2011 at 7:24 PM

Those opposed will be called “patriots” by Pelosi.

SouthernGent on April 26, 2011 at 7:26 PM

But we can afford tax cuts for the Koch brothers1@?!11

Yup.

Astroturfed MorOn.orgers.

Good Lt on April 26, 2011 at 7:41 PM

the dems have no new ideas. now they are astroturfing townhalls? amazing. Do they understand how stupid they look?

unseen on April 26, 2011 at 7:50 PM

From the crowd:

We can’t afford the tax cuts!

Fewer things get my blood boiled (short of physical harm) than the above thinking. I cannot fathom the rationale it must take for a stranger who sees another’s property as a cost to the state.

anuts on April 26, 2011 at 7:53 PM

Not advocating, just observing, this is going to have to be settled in the streets.

ronsfi on April 26, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Nah, this will be settled with Texas Instruments calculators and reality.

The economic illiteracy of our country is pretty scary stuff.

The financial numbers will have their way; no amount of screaming and fist waving will change it.

rickyricardo on April 26, 2011 at 8:11 PM

It always gets me how the group named by its initial mission statement — “Move On to pressing issues facing the country” — has time after time tried to shut down action and debate, doing the exact opposite of what it was allegedly founded to do.

calbear on April 26, 2011 at 8:28 PM

Why bother voting anymore?

Don L on April 26, 2011 at 6:40 PM

I don’t honestly there is much point to it anymore. The GOP is a waste of time.

sharrukin on April 26, 2011 at 6:41 PM

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The lesser of 2 bad choices may need to be made none-the-less… We’d be in a whole nother place right now if we had McCain/Palin in the WH.
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Personally… I voted for Mac with my nose twitchin… But smiled at the thought of Sarah being right there beside him.
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Let’s hope/work for a solid choice this go round… Or at least for a spotted pony to replace Obama with.
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RalphyBoy on April 26, 2011 at 8:29 PM

I think the speaker should have a bull-horn and drown out the little libs that use these obnoxious tactics. Ok, just a thought.

quint906 on April 26, 2011 at 8:31 PM

I realize that we didn’t see all of it but I don’t think that was too bad. All members of Congress should explain that nothing is off the table but that reining in spending is the first priority, especially since it is something that D.C. has never tried before.

Cindy Munford on April 26, 2011 at 8:35 PM

It’s interesting that they all have some kind of union label on their shirts. Just coincidence I’m sure!

flytier on April 26, 2011 at 9:15 PM

rickyricardo on April 26, 2011 at 8:11 PM

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That will be the beginning.

ronsfi on April 26, 2011 at 9:15 PM

AstroTurf… Liberals try to stoke town hall rage

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/dems-plan-to-astro-turf-gop-townhalls

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53664.html

NBC new this AstroTurf campaign was coming so they sent out a reporter (today) and covered it (on

NBC nightly news) without telling the viewing audience about the AstroTurf part.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/ns/nightly_news/#42771464

Robert Reich Has Marching Orders for His Minions

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/04/robert-reich-has-marching-orders-for.html

freedomplow on April 26, 2011 at 10:57 PM

How do they know there were people there from MoveOn?

Could it possibly be that the reporter [GASP!] asked several of the loudest protestors if they were affiliated with a group?

I’m just sayin! :o))

DannoJyd on April 26, 2011 at 11:13 PM

The GOP is a waste of time.

sharrukin on April 26, 2011 at 6:41 PM

If you don’t like it then fix it!

Quitters never win. ;o)

DannoJyd on April 26, 2011 at 11:15 PM

I honestly expect the left to become more politcally violent. They are watching everything they have built wither on the vine and they have no way to reverse it. They unfortunately will have alot of sympathy from those of us that will be bitter because we wilfully believed the lie of Social Security.

It. Will. Get. Ugly. Bank on it.

Theworldisnotenough on April 27, 2011 at 12:45 AM

This is destined to end up in the streets with blood and tears. Freak-ass lefties won’t be happy until they are getting beaten with clubs.

Fine with me.

Jaibones on April 27, 2011 at 2:02 AM

I’m impressed by this congressman. He appreciated the exchange of ideas, but stayed on track with the message that OUR GOVERNMENT HAS A SPENDING PROBLEM which will bankrupt our children and grandchildren!

Mark7788 on April 27, 2011 at 2:41 AM

If the performance is like this one the results for the Democrats may not be good. It may backfire on them badly. Too many people are aware this is sponsored by people who want to suck us dry with no regard for the consequences.

{^_^}

herself on April 27, 2011 at 3:46 AM