Trump: “Somebody” told me that Obama’s birth certificate is missing or doesn’t exist

posted at 8:40 pm on April 25, 2011 by Allahpundit

How eager is CNN for a Trump/Birther traffic windfall? Not only did they rush a story about this “scoop” onto their website hours before Cooper’s show airs, they posted a sneak preview of the exchange to entice viewers to watch. Who can resist a rainbow of extra page views? Not I, my friends, not I.

Real estate mogul Donald Trump’s latest claim about President Obama’s birth certificate is that it’s missing.

“Well I’ve been told very recently, Anderson, that the birth certificate is missing,” Trump told CNN’s Anderson Cooper Monday. “I’ve been told that it’s not there or it doesn’t exist. And if that’s the case it’s a big problem.”

When asked from whom he received the information, Trump said he didn’t want to say and that he feels bad about the situation.

He feels bad because he’d much prefer to talk about the important policy issues facing the country, every one of which turns out to be “so easy” to solve. He also digressed from his pursuit of a serious policy debate in an interview with the AP today to say that he’s heard Obama was a “terrible student, terrible” while at Columbia and Harvard. And he reassured the Des Moines Register that “Iowa is very, very important to me” and that “I’m a very conservative person. Extremely conservative.” So there you go. You’re now caught up on Trump news.

Exit question: Should we start a pool on when he’ll reveal the findings of his investigators? I’ll take “during his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention.” Unless we nominate him, we’ll never know the truth…


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Did some home work.

Birth Certificates are ONLY issued at an attended birth. Meaning it is certified by a represetative of the State (Doctor or some other Officical). It contains basic info plus genealogy info. and two cute little foot prints. Race is also included. When the father is not known or not present, then the race of the mother (white) is used.

Certificate of Live Birth is issued for one of TWO reasons. First it is a short form of the Birth Certificate. Here is the kicker no one talks much about is that it is also issued for an UN-attended Birth. That’s where Mom By choice or chance dosn’t make it to the Hosipital. In that case the only requirement is to have one other person other then the Mother File statement that the birth was in Hawaii. No other proof is required.

In other words you do not have to be born in Hawaii to have a Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii. Just find one person in the World that will file a false statement for you.

For the news paper releases. They only print what is given to them.

jpcpt03 on April 25, 2011 at 9:58 PM

Haha, it’s probably not the birth place that’s being hidden. Birth place is a red herring.

Somebody told me the BC has info on it about BHO that BHO’s handlers don’t want us to know. And it has nothing to do with where he was born.

petefrt on April 25, 2011 at 9:04 PM

I agree. With a white mother, an absent father, and a light colored baby, I bet the birth certificate lists his race as “white”. That’s my hunch.

parteagirl on April 25, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Don’t you mean Ralph Nader? He came in third in total votes, though he received no electoral votes.

Total votes don’t count. (Just ask Al Gore.) If no one received any valid electoral votes, the election is a tie, and the newly-elected House elects the next President.

Since they elected Boehner as Speaker of the House, there’s a chance they would elect him President, too. Even so, Boehner would be next in line of succession after Obama and Biden, so it would make sense.

Emperor Norton on April 25, 2011 at 9:55 PM

It is imperative that you two sort this out.

crr6 on April 25, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Exit question: Should we start a pool on when he’ll reveal the findings of his investigators?

About the same time Oblahblah releases the original and all of his college transcripts. IOW don’t hold your breath

darwin-t on April 25, 2011 at 10:00 PM

Yep, Donald needs to put up or shut up

clnurnberg on April 25, 2011 at 9:31 PM

Obama needs to put up or resign, Silly Rabbit.

Cheshire Cat on April 25, 2011 at 10:00 PM

Certificate of Live Birth is issued for one of TWO reasons. First it is a short form of the Birth Certificate.

The short form is a Certification, not a Certificate. Isn’t that what you meant to say?

Emperor Norton on April 25, 2011 at 10:02 PM

I can’t imagine that Stan had her baby at home or on the beach or something. Perhaps 20 years earlier, but that would be rare by that time.

clnurnberg on April 25, 2011 at 10:02 PM

Obama needs to put up or resign, Silly Rabbit.

Cheshire Cat on April 25, 2011 at 10:00 PM

Never gonna happen.

clnurnberg on April 25, 2011 at 10:04 PM

Either way you look at it, Obama is unqualified to be president.

A constitutional travesty will occur before the next election.

MadDogF on April 25, 2011 at 10:06 PM

Yeah, Trump’s really been bogged down by his undergrad degree. If only he’d gone to Occidental, maybe he’d have made something of himself.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 25, 2011 at 9:46 PM

Possibly the most famous (or infamous) Occidental Odd grads were these two dweebs, who were roommates there in the 1950s.

Their names were Jack Kemp and Jim Mora Senior. The latter was the best-ever NFL Coach to never win a playoff game.

“At night, I would read Sport magazine, and he read U.S. News & World Report,” Mora said. “There was a difference there.”

Del Dolemonte on April 25, 2011 at 10:07 PM

Did some home work.

Birth Certificates are ONLY issued at an attended birth. Meaning it is certified by a represetative of the State (Doctor or some other Officical). It contains basic info plus genealogy info. and two cute little foot prints. Race is also included. When the father is not known or not present, then the race of the mother (white) is used.

Certificate of Live Birth is issued for one of TWO reasons. First it is a short form of the Birth Certificate. Here is the kicker no one talks much about is that it is also issued for an UN-attended Birth. That’s where Mom By choice or chance dosn’t make it to the Hosipital. In that case the only requirement is to have one other person other then the Mother File statement that the birth was in Hawaii. No other proof is required.

In other words you do not have to be born in Hawaii to have a Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii. Just find one person in the World that will file a false statement for you.

For the news paper releases. They only print what is given to them.

jpcpt03 on April 25, 2011 at 9:58 PM

Thanks for digging! Great info!

parteagirl on April 25, 2011 at 10:07 PM

Never gonna happen.

clnurnberg on April 25, 2011 at 10:04 PM

That is what the first Milhous said.

Cheshire Cat on April 25, 2011 at 10:08 PM

Even better! Then McCain can resign for 9 years of President Palin. Huzzah!

NaCly dog on April 25, 2011 at 8:53 PM

But McCain is not eligible, either. Say hello to President Boehner!

Emperor Norton on April 25, 2011 at 9:00 PM

This is the craziest, most irrationally exuberant thread I have read all day. Politics isn’t supposed to be this nutty!

ExpressoBold on April 25, 2011 at 10:09 PM

“I’ve been told that it’s not there or it doesn’t exist. And if that’s the case it’s a big problem.”

Well unless Trump is a complete buffoon (I’m not ruling that out BTW) this is about something other than the BC. It may be a small part of it but there is something else, maybe more about the student records or maybe a plethora small cuts.

This might even be some kind of diversionary push. Don’t quite understand what it could be, but Trump is saying things that a traditional candidate could or would never say. Something is up it will be fun to watch.

He’s is defiantly saying things and articulating issues that are on peoples mind and no other candidate will go anywhere near.

whbates on April 25, 2011 at 10:12 PM

He’s is defiantly saying things and articulating issues that are on peoples mind and no other candidate will go anywhere near.

That is because Trump is the only man in the race, except for maybe Sarah Palin.

Cheshire Cat on April 25, 2011 at 10:15 PM

I can’t believe that every last person in Hawaii would cover up the fact if they knew O was born outside the country. As a kid, and I am roughly the same vintage as the O, my certificate was needed for a variety of reasons. Yet nobody is coming forward and saying “yeah, Stan produced some paper from Kenya” or some “naturalized citizen” thingy, or an indonesian passport with a tax document that granny lived in that school district.

And he’d have to be pretty crafty to keep this from all his friends. Americans are notorious for their fascination with the utter coolness of living abroad. He would have surely told friends and teachers.

clnurnberg on April 25, 2011 at 10:15 PM

Politics isn’t supposed to be this nutty!

Tonight’s episode: Steve Urkel gets elected President, and destroys the economy. When told about it, he says “Did I do that?” Then the fun starts!

Emperor Norton on April 25, 2011 at 10:16 PM

Obama claims to have found his own birth certificate as a teenager, mentioned in his book on page 26 of “Dreams Of My Father”.

So, he has it. He said so.

Why doesn’t a member of the media ask him where it is, now?

(Oh… I know… because they are lickspittle pimps for this lying s.o.b.)

But, how about someone telling Trump to read page 26 of Obama’s book and then ask a member of the media … say George Staphaloccus… about why he never requested this public disclosure of this self-referenced document by Barry the Boy King?

profitsbeard on April 25, 2011 at 10:23 PM

If only he’d gone to Occidental, maybe he’d have made something of himself.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 25, 2011 at 9:46 PM

Hey, you’re preaching to the choir bro. Occidental is the great sh*t-stain on Obama’s otherwise-stellar resume.

crr6 on April 25, 2011 at 10:24 PM

jpcpt03 the document with the 2 little foot prints is not a state issued birth certificate but the hospital record. You won’t find the foot prints on a state issued birth certificate. I have had to review birth certificates from all over the US and have never seen foot prints on one. If you see the foot prints of a baby, check above and you will likely see a picture of the hospital where the birth occurred.

Oleta on April 25, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Emperor Norton on April 25, 2011 at 10:16 PM

Right! To tell you the truth, the first impulse I had for my comment above was that it reminds me of an SNL skit involving Clinton, Lewinsky and Saddam Hussein where Clinton imagines a scenario where he resigns before impeachment, Gore selects Bill Clinton as vice president and … I can’t find the clip on youtube but I bet there is one there.

ExpressoBold on April 25, 2011 at 10:31 PM

I can’t believe there is a segment of the GOP that considers this clown a legitimate contender for the nomination.

jawkneemusic on April 25, 2011 at 10:33 PM

Hey, you’re preaching to the choir bro. Occidental is the great sh*t-stain on Obama’s otherwise-stellar resume.

crr6 on April 25, 2011 at 10:24 PM

So it’s you that has the transcript of his grades from Columbia and Harvard? How about sharing them.

whbates on April 25, 2011 at 10:34 PM

So it’s you that has the transcript of his grades from Columbia and Harvard? How about sharing them.

whbates on April 25, 2011 at 10:34 PM

Hey, whbates. I’ll tell you about his grades at Harvard, but only if you promise me that your opinion of Obama (or at least your opinion of his intelligence) will increase as a result. Otherwise, what’s the point of me telling you, right?

Anyways, do we have a deal?

crr6 on April 25, 2011 at 10:40 PM

Obama’s otherwise-stellar resume.

crr6 on April 25, 2011 at 10:24 PM

HA! What a joke. The clown says “stellar resume”.

Didn’t GWB get better grades than your Clown in Chief?

jawkneemusic on April 25, 2011 at 10:42 PM

but only if you promise me that your opinion of Obama (or at least your opinion of his intelligence) will increase as a result.

Well that would depend on the grades, right? But why only Harvard? He would have had to have stellar grades at Columbia and Occidental to even be considered for entry into Harvard, right?

whbates on April 25, 2011 at 10:46 PM

Well that would depend on the grades, right? But why only Harvard? He would have had to have stellar grades at Columbia and Occidental to even be considered for entry into Harvard, right?

whbates on April 25, 2011 at 10:46 PM

Of course, yeah. Harvard Law’s GPA median is around 3.85, and they rarely (if ever) admit someone with below a 3.4 or so, even if they have a perfect LSAT.

I’ll ask you again:

I’ll tell you about his grades at Harvard, but only if you promise me that your opinion of Obama (or at least your opinion of his intelligence) will increase as a result.

Do we have a deal?

crr6 on April 25, 2011 at 10:51 PM

Of course, yeah. Harvard Law’s GPA median is around 3.85, and they rarely (if ever) admit someone with below a 3.4 or so, even if they have a perfect LSAT.

I’ll ask you again:

crr6 on April 25, 2011 at 10:51 PM

I’ll ask again

only Harvard?

Or did you mean actual mean transcripts of Harvard and of the qualifying grades as well?

Or do you mean that if he was “X” he had to be “Y”? That doesn’t cut it (your usual game).

Anyway if you have a source of actual real transcripts (all)produce the link, I’m sure I’ll be impressed, otherwise it’s getting late and work comes early.

whbates on April 25, 2011 at 11:17 PM

Sounds to me, like most of the others who have thought this an issue, that Trump is backing down.
WTF is there that people start down this road and then back off?

ORconservative on April 25, 2011 at 11:18 PM

I thought that his original BC is sealed because another one was issued when he was adopted by Lalo Soetoro, and that his name on that BC is Barry Soetoro. The rumor 4 years ago was that he never legally changed his name back to Barack Obama.

centre on April 25, 2011 at 11:18 PM

Trump is obviously baiting Obama. I like it.

faraway on April 25, 2011 at 11:19 PM

Harvard Law’s GPA median is around 3.85, and they rarely (if ever) admit someone with below a 3.4 or so, even if they have a perfect LSAT.

Unless the applicant is black.

Emperor Norton on April 25, 2011 at 11:23 PM

Well that would depend on the grades, right? But why only Harvard? He would have had to have stellar grades at Columbia and Occidental to even be considered for entry into Harvard, right?

whbates on April 25, 2011 at 10:46 PM

Not for Double-A students like little Bammie, and there’s a bonus, his nominal father was also a Harvard graduate, so little Bammie is also a legacy admission.

You also have to consider that his Columbia grades are based on his Double-A status as well. If you give preference based on race at admission time, you have to give it in grading as well, because if graduation rates for blacks and whites is not the same, Al Shlapton is there with his bullhorn in a New York minute.

slickwillie2001 on April 25, 2011 at 11:24 PM

Oleta on April 25, 2011 at 10:25 PM

yep! you are right. Maybe some one should go to the Hospital and ask for a copy. After all it has the same information on it AND is not covered by the state of Hawaii prohibitions.

Go for it my friend.

jpcpt03 on April 25, 2011 at 11:26 PM

WTF is there that people start down this road and then back off?

ORconservative

I think it’s because they come to believe that the TRUTH will hurt America. Everything Barry signed would be null and void…not to mention the USA would be THE laughing stock for all of eternity.

centre on April 25, 2011 at 11:29 PM

crr6..Oh, ye of the awesome intellect..you are aware that there is no such word….as anyways……just sayin’!!!!!

Xango Annie on April 25, 2011 at 11:40 PM

Harvard Law’s GPA median is around 3.85, and they rarely (if ever) admit someone with below a 3.4 or so, even if they have a perfect LSAT.

Unless the applicant is black.

Emperor Norton on April 25, 2011 at 11:23 PM

Obama was a legacy admittance, his father received his Ph.d from Harvard.

That and Berry was Black.

borg on April 25, 2011 at 11:58 PM

I’ll take “during his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention.” Unless we nominate him, we’ll never know the truth…

You’ll never know it afterward either.

Schadenfreude on April 26, 2011 at 12:03 AM

centre, I think you’re right.
I don’t think Trump is backing down though. I’ve had time to look at what he’s been up to today.
Whatever his game is, who cares!
Go Trump! There are liberal posters all over the place poo pooing this. I love it.
All of this stuff was known, they were just too busy with the ascension to notice.

ORconservative on April 26, 2011 at 12:09 AM

I’ll ask again

only Harvard?

Yep.

Or did you mean actual mean transcripts of Harvard and of the qualifying grades as well?

No, I mean just his grades at Harvard.

Or do you mean that if he was “X” he had to be “Y”? That doesn’t cut it (your usual game).

Nope.

Anyway if you have a source of actual real transcripts (all)produce the link, I’m sure I’ll be impressed, otherwise it’s getting late and work comes early.

whbates on April 25, 2011 at 11:17 PM

No, I want a statement from you that it’ll change your opinion of his intelligence if he had good grades. Otherwise you’ll play your stupid game and backtrack. So just say it.

crr6 on April 26, 2011 at 12:15 AM

Harvard Law’s GPA median is around 3.85, and they rarely (if ever) admit someone with below a 3.4 or so, even if they have a perfect LSAT.

Unless the applicant is black.

Emperor Norton on April 25, 2011 at 11:23 PM

No, even if the applicant is black and/or a legacy. The lowest GPA they admitted last year was a minority, with around a 3.35…but that applicant also had a 179 LSAT (which is in the 99.9th percentile).

crr6 on April 26, 2011 at 12:18 AM

The lowest GPA they admitted last year was a minority, with around a 3.35 . . .but that applicant also had a 179 LSAT

Obama wasn’t in that particular class.

Obama was a legacy admittance, his father received his Ph.D from Harvard.

Sure, he was his father. And they had proof. It was filled in right there on the application. The admissions officer cogently asked, “How many Barack Hussein Obamas could there be?”

Emperor Norton on April 26, 2011 at 12:46 AM

whbates on April 25, 2011 at 11:17 PM

Careful, you are being set up.

slickwillie2001 on April 26, 2011 at 12:48 AM

Obama wasn’t in that particular class.

Emperor Norton on April 26, 2011 at 12:46 AM

Not sure what your point is. Law schools loathe to admit students with low LSATs or GPA’s because that lowers their medians, which results in a lower USNWR ranking.

Just curious, what are you basing your opinions of HLS’s admissions policy off of? Because what you’re saying is inconsistent with what I’ve gathered, but if you have any special insight I’d be happy to hear it.

crr6 on April 26, 2011 at 12:50 AM

Not sure what your point is.

You can’t draw conclusions from Obama’s admisson to Harvard Law School (in the class of 1991) with Harvard admissions stats from last year or the year before. You don’t know what his grades or his LSAT were, because he has not released that information. Even if Obama was a member of the most recently admitted Harvard Law class, the aggregate admissions GPA and LSAT numbers tell you nothing about his own grades and LSAT score. You can only guess.

Anyway, law schools are not loathe to admit less qualified students, based on GPA and LSAT scores, because they still use racial preferences and quotas. Consider how good a law school’s US News and World Report ranking would be if their admissions office didn’t practice blatantly racist admissions policies.

Now are you sure what my point is?

Emperor Norton on April 26, 2011 at 1:44 AM

If Obama is such a flipping genius, why did he have to transfer into Columbia from Occidental, a school with which Columbia operated a formal transfer program? As someone who goofed off in high school and had to attend community college for a year, I’ll tell you why: He had mediocre high school grades and couldn’t get in to Columbia as a freshman. Not even with his race on his side. He needed the assist from Occidental; it was a foot in the door for him he wouldn’t have otherwise had. As for how he somehow made it into Harvard Law, it kind of depends on your course of study how impressive your GPA is. A 3.0 in engineering from a state school is a lot more impressive than a 3.9 in general studies from an Ivy League one. I have several friends who attended the Ivies. They will attest that there are many reasons students get accepted. Not all of them are dictated by grades or smarts. These schools strive for “diversity” you know, in all things. Also, didn’t someone with deep pockets bankroll Obama’s stint at Harvard Law? I don’t suppose that had something to do with his admission.

I don’t think he’s stupid, but I don’t think he’s as bright as his adoring sycophants seem to believe either. I’ve read that paper he wrote at Columbia that was circulating a year or so back, and it was painful. Lots of circular reasoning. It was certainly not the quality of work I would expect from some Ivy League Einstein. And especially not from a lawyer-to-be, considering that reasoning skills are paramount in the study and practice of law.

NoLeftTurn on April 26, 2011 at 2:19 AM

Obama was born in the statehood era in Hawaii.
He could have gotten a late or amended birth cerficate under their Hawaii Birth Progam…it ended in 1972
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/hawnbirth.html

His parents literally could have just claimed he was born there and gotten a birth certicate , which would have prompted the newpapers birth notices

LeeSeneca on April 26, 2011 at 2:47 AM

Ask Trump what the frimbling warbulators difference it will make if Obama was not born in the USA? Do we live with what he has done or do we live with the chaos of trying to undo it?

Then wander over to Anderson Copper’s page and see what he has to say about this issue. It appears Obama was pretty definitively born in Hawaii on the day cited. So Trump is a bloody sham.

{^_^}

herself on April 26, 2011 at 3:34 AM

Then wander over to Anderson Copper’s page and see what he has to say about this issue.

herself on April 26, 2011 at 3:34 AM

Who gives a crap what a leftist mouthpiece has to say about anything?

sharrukin on April 26, 2011 at 3:40 AM

Did you know that Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship? And a child under 18 cannot have his US citizenship forfeited. So, how does an adopted child of Indonesian citizen retain a foreign citizenship?

When Obama travelled to Pakistan in 1981, he didn’t have a US passport yet. He likely had an Indonesian passport. But acquiring an Indonesian passport was an affirmative statement, when Obama was past the age of 18, that he was an Indonesian citizen. Since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship, he in effect gave up his US citizenship if he got that passport.

Emperor Norton on April 26, 2011 at 4:02 AM

But I’m no fan of the “this will make the GOP look dumb” school that pretends there is a crafty Obama just waiting to spring a benign truth.

clnurnberg on April 25, 2011 at 9:52 PM

Me neither. Seems like a stretch to me too, cl. Seems like a narrative the left would push to protect their leader.

petefrt on April 26, 2011 at 5:09 AM

So why would Obama have reportedly spent millions on lawyers to keep people from accessing his past records?

albill on April 26, 2011 at 5:44 AM

No, I want a statement from you that it’ll change your opinion of his intelligence if he had good grades. Otherwise you’ll play your stupid game and backtrack. So just say it.

crr6 on April 26, 2011 at 12:15 AM

crr6, so lame, anyways…

fossten on April 26, 2011 at 6:47 AM

Trump is a one man MSM, and the left hates him for it.

Why can’t these questions be asked? It’s not because his skin is Black, it’s because the mediocre at best Obama is an icon for the racist, Leftist tactic of hailing a minority for doing a bad job….but for a chosen minority member, let’s give him a hand for trying.

Equality dictates that Obama stands up to the same scrutiny and suspicions leveled at Palin or Bush, and deal with it.

Hening on April 26, 2011 at 8:30 AM

Hey, you’re preaching to the choir bro. Occidental is the great sh*t-stain on Obama’s otherwise-stellar resume.

crr6 on April 25, 2011 at 10:24 PM

Pedigree yes. Resume no. A resume should highlight your accomplishments. Obama has never actually done anything other than win popularity contests.

John Deaux on April 26, 2011 at 8:30 AM

This is more exciting than Heraldo opening Capone’s vault. Trump has been teasing this long enough. I heard one talking head say Sarah will only get so far by flirting. Same goes for Trump. If he truly has some kinda proof, then he has an obligation to reveal it. Otherwise, he’s part of the conspiracy.

Kissmygrits on April 26, 2011 at 9:05 AM

So why would Obama have reportedly spent millions on lawyers to keep people from accessing his past records?

albill on April 26, 2011 at 5:44 AM

Because those reports are intended to deceive you. The 2.8M people discuss was the cost of legal fees for his campaign.

since Obama was elected, a number of federal cases related to the birth certificate issue — including several filed by or with the assistance of California attorney Orly Taitz, a leader among Obama birth certificate questioners — have been handled by federal attorneys, including those with the U.S. Department of Justice. Several of these cases were dismissed almost immediately. Others were active for up to a year but were ultimately dismissed and then, in some cases, appealed. The case in which Bauer wrote the letter to the plaintiff was dismissed twice by the Supreme Court.

The lion’s share of Obama’s legal spending went to Perkins Coie, a well-known Democratic legal and accounting firm. Perkins Coie represented the Obama campaign during all seven of the FEC’s known investigations involving his White House bid. In each of these cases, the FEC voted to dismiss the case or found “no reason to believe” that the Obama for America or related committees had violated any laws.

Four campaign-finance experts we interviewed all agreed that after the campaign was over, a law firm in Perkins Coie’s situation would have a full plate of legal work to do that had nothing to do with birth certificate questions. Two of the experts who took this position have represented Republicans — Trevor Potter, a campaign finance lawyer who worked for the 2000 and 2008 presidential campaigns of John McCain and the 1988 campaign of George H.W. Bush, and Robert Kelner, who has represented the Republican National Committee and the National Republican Congressional Committee. A third attorney who agreed, Allison R. Hayward, is the vice president of policy for the Center for Competitive Politics, which filed an amicus brief opposing the Obama administration’s position in the landmark Citizens United Supreme Court case, which ended a broad swath of campaign finance restrictions.

This is the point, no matter how many times birther theory is shown to be based on bad facts opinions won’t change. The conversation is no longer in the realm of facts, proof and reality, it’s become an article of faith despite the facts.

NextGen on April 26, 2011 at 9:11 AM

When Obama travelled to Pakistan in 1981, he didn’t have a US passport yet. He likely had an Indonesian passport. But acquiring an Indonesian passport was an affirmative statement, when Obama was past the age of 18, that he was an Indonesian citizen. Since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship, he in effect gave up his US citizenship if he got that passport.

Emperor Norton on April 26, 2011 at 4:02 AM

This, to me, has always been the more interesting potential scandal, and not the birth certificate thing. However, I suppose it’s possible that the BC could somehow lead to this revelation and that’s why he’s kept it hidden. A baby can hardly be held responsible for where he happened to be born (and it doesn’t matter anyway because Stanley was an American citizen), but I find it a lot more troubling if we elected someone who of his own volition may have chosen the citizenship of another nation (esp. one not particularly friendly to our own country) over U.S. citizenship. That’s pretty affirmative evidence that he has (or didn’t at the time have) no allegiance to the country he’s governing and should without question render him ineligible to serve.

Put me in the Citizenship Truther camp I guess.

NoLeftTurn on April 26, 2011 at 9:35 AM

Did some home work.

Birth Certificates are ONLY issued at an attended birth. Meaning it is certified by a represetative of the State (Doctor or some other Officical). It contains basic info plus genealogy info. and two cute little foot prints. Race is also included. When the father is not known or not present, then the race of the mother (white) is used.

Certificate of Live Birth is issued for one of TWO reasons. First it is a short form of the Birth Certificate. Here is the kicker no one talks much about is that it is also issued for an UN-attended Birth. That’s where Mom By choice or chance dosn’t make it to the Hosipital. In that case the only requirement is to have one other person other then the Mother File statement that the birth was in Hawaii. No other proof is required.

In other words you do not have to be born in Hawaii to have a Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii. Just find one person in the World that will file a false statement for you.

For the news paper releases. They only print what is given to them.

jpcpt03 on April 25, 2011 at 9:58 PM

AMEN! Well said, and needs to be posted repeatedly until the dupes “get it.”

DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2011 at 10:33 AM

I can’t imagine that Stan had her baby at home or on the beach or something. Perhaps 20 years earlier, but that would be rare by that time.

clnurnberg on April 25, 2011 at 10:02 PM

I suspect she had him in
1. Vancouver Canada. (Free Hospital.)
2. Seattle Washington.(Known to be in Area 14 days after.)
3. Honolulu Hawaii. (Left in 14 days to be at WU.)

DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2011 at 10:36 AM

Yawn.

http://www.chrisofrights.com/2011/04/birtherism.html

Chris of Rights on April 26, 2011 at 7:56 AM

What? You post another link to your worthless opinion in this thread too?

Nobody cares that you think the issue is pointless. If you don’t want to discuss it, DON’T!

DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2011 at 10:40 AM

This is the point, no matter how many times birther theory is shown to be based on bad facts opinions won’t change. The conversation is no longer in the realm of facts, proof and reality, it’s become an article of faith despite the facts.

NextGen on April 26, 2011 at 9:11 AM

Perhaps we are aware of this and INTENTIONALLY repeating the lie that he spent 2 million dollars as a retaliatory tactic against Liberals who keep saying he has shown his “birth certificate.”

It doesn’t bother me at all that a false meme damaging to Obama is continuously being spread. Since he is the beneficiary of a false meme, (He has shown his birth certificate) I figure it’s a little bit of Karma being paid back.

Apart from that, how do YOU know how much was spent at Perkins Cole and what it was for?

DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2011 at 10:47 AM

Now are you sure what my point is?

Emperor Norton on April 26, 2011 at 1:44 AM

I know what you’d like your point to be. I just don’t think you know what you’re talking about.

You can’t draw conclusions from Obama’s admisson to Harvard Law School (in the class of 1991) with Harvard admissions stats from last year or the year before. You don’t know what his grades or his LSAT were, because he has not released that information. Even if Obama was a member of the most recently admitted Harvard Law class, the aggregate admissions GPA and LSAT numbers tell you nothing about his own grades and LSAT score. You can only guess.

You can certainly make an educated guess based off of those numbers. Harvard was still a top 3 school back when Obama attended, I don’t see a reason why their admissions standards would have changed drastically since then. Do you have any hard evidence that they’ve changed?

Anyway, law schools are not loathe to admit less qualified students, based on GPA and LSAT scores, because they still use racial preferences and quotas.

No, that’s just stupid and wrong. Have you applied to law school? 90% of what they care about is your GPA and your LSAT, because if they accept students with lower stats it lowers their medians, which in turn lowers their ranking. Sure, minorities applying to HLS get a bump, but it’s not a huge one. They still have absolutely stellar numbers. Minorities with poor numbers end up going to one of the ~178 law schools ranked below Harvard Law.

Consider how good a law school’s US News and World Report ranking would be if their admissions office didn’t practice blatantly racist admissions policies.

It’d be pretty much the same. Diversity isn’t a factor in USNWR rankings and it never has been.

Again, you seem to be indicating you have some sort of special insight into HLS admissions policies which contradicts the empirical data that’s available online and my own personal knowledge of the law school application process. Would you mind where you’re getting that info from? I’d love to hear it.

Thanks.

crr6 on April 26, 2011 at 11:06 AM

Again, you seem to be indicating you have some sort of special insight into HLS admissions policies which contradicts the empirical data that’s available online and my own personal knowledge of the law school application process. Would you mind where you’re getting that info from? I’d love to hear it.

Thanks.

crr6 on April 26, 2011 at 11:06 AM

Trump is right. Obama is an unqualified idiot who only managed to get into Harvard because people pulled strings to get him in.

DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2011 at 11:10 AM

Trump is right. Obama is an unqualified idiot who only managed to get into Harvard because people pulled strings to get him in.

DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2011 at 11:10 AM

If he was such an unqualified idiot, why did he graduate magna cum laude?

crr6 on April 26, 2011 at 11:17 AM

If he was such an unqualified idiot, why did he graduate magna cum laude?

crr6 on April 26, 2011 at 11:17 AM

For the same reason he won the Nobel prize.

DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2011 at 11:24 AM

USNWR just started doing rankings in 1987. Obama would have started law school in the fall of 1988. Schools hadn’t started gaming the ranking system the way they do now so no, lowering standards in order to recruit a talented mixed-race foreign raised-US born student would have been a priority no matter his grades or scores.

alwaysfiredup on April 26, 2011 at 11:39 AM

If he was such an unqualified idiot, why did he graduate magna cum laude?

crr6 on April 26, 2011 at 11:17 AM

For the same reason he won the Nobel prize.

DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2011 at 11:24 AM

Ouch, ouch, OUCH. LOL!

Yeah, and where’s the plaque at the hospital commemorating the First African-American President’s birth?!?

Hint: There isn’t one, because the hospital can be charged for FRAUD.

Check. AND mate, methinks.

Go Trump, GO!!

Califemme on April 26, 2011 at 1:18 PM

Iowa is very, very important to me” and that “I’m a very conservative person. Extremely conservative.”

I hear Rainman Raymond when he says that…very good driver, very good.

Big John on April 26, 2011 at 1:24 PM

One thing I’ve noticed on the pictures of the alleged birth certificate is that for “father’s race”, it says African. When did the continent you come from become a race? Is that how it’s done in Hawaii?

Big John on April 26, 2011 at 1:29 PM

If he was such an unqualified idiot, why did he graduate magna cum laude?

crr6 on April 26, 2011 at 11:17 AM

For the same reason he won the Nobel prize.

DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2011 at 11:24 AM

That doesn’t make any sense. Try answering the question directly.

If Obama was grossly underqualified for admission to HLS, why did he graduate with high honors? Remember, law school exams are graded “blindly.”

crr6 on April 26, 2011 at 1:49 PM

Doesn’t make a difference if Obama was born in Hawaii if Barrack Obama was listed as the Father as he was a British subject and thus would disqualify Obama from being a natural born citizen eligible to run for President.

At 17, his Mom was unable to convey natural born status to Obama. Obama could be native born but not natural born because two parents have to be American citizens to give natural born status.

PhiKapMom on April 26, 2011 at 2:01 PM

That doesn’t make any sense. Try answering the question directly.

You’re kidding, right? I cannot think of a more pertinent and direct response to that question. People just give him stuff. (He doesn’t earn it.)

If Obama was grossly underqualified for admission to HLS, why did he graduate with high honors? Remember, law school exams are graded “blindly.”

crr6 on April 26, 2011 at 1:49 PM

Right. He never wrote anything for the Harvard Law review (of which I am aware), and the stuff he did write (that we can find) reads like a dyslexic infant with ADD wrote it, he admits in his pseudo-autobiography that he was a terrible student and liked to do drugs, (we have PICTURES of him doing drugs) and he lost his Law License (wasn’t that the entire purpose of going to Harvard Law?) because he refused to contest a disbarment hearing, plus everything he ever touches turns to utter dreck, and you would have us believe that he was a good student at Harvard?

I assure you, if his grades were not complete crap, he would be shoving them up under everybody’s noses.

Obama is the lucky beneficiary of a Liberal love fest with the idea of racial diversity. His success is based more on white liberals trying to prove how tolerant they are than any meaningful accomplishment on his own part.

By the way, where did Obama get the money to attend Harvard?

DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2011 at 2:03 PM

DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Thanks for reminding me why I shouldn’t engage you.

crr6 on April 26, 2011 at 2:26 PM

DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Right. He never wrote anything for the Harvard Law review (of which I am aware), and the stuff he did write (that we can find) reads like a dyslexic infant with ADD wrote it, he admits in his pseudo-autobiography that he was a terrible student and liked to do drugs, (we have PICTURES of him doing drugs)

Just to inform you, law school grades are not contingent on getting published in a law review. Very few(if any) students are published in any law review or journal. Law school exams are blind graded. Meaning each law student is issued a exam number for each finals period. Instead of signing their own name on an exam, the student puts down their exam number on the exam. At most schools, any effort to identify yourself in the exam results in immediate failure on that exam. So any grades Obama earned in Law School were not due to any so-called affirmative action or other special treatment.

and he lost his Law License (wasn’t that the entire purpose of going to Harvard Law?) because he refused to contest a disbarment hearing,

Haven’t we gone over this before? A Disbarment is a public action taken by the supreme court in the state of admission. You, nor anyone else, has provided any citation to either of the Obama’s being disbarred. Nor have there been any citation to an actual complaint being filed with the Illinois bar. In fact his bar record available here at the Illinois Attorney Registration and Discipline Commission does not show any malpractice complaints. link. He has retired from the practice of law. This makes sense because otherwise he would have to accept pro bono assignments in Illinois and keep up with his continuing legal education requirements (up to 30 hours a year in some states). You have repeatedly put forward the falsehood that obama was disbarred without any proof. I try to avoid making statements that I can’t back up with actual proof. It is a required habit for attorneys, but it would be a good habit for layment to practic too.

plus everything he ever touches turns to utter dreck, and you would have us believe that he was a good student at Harvard?

Can’t argue with you on the “everything he touches to turns to utter dreck”. While more opinion than factual assertion, I don’t wholly disagree.

I assure you, if his grades were not complete crap, he would be shoving them up under everybody’s noses.

Again, if you can find one example of any presidential campaign that has disclosed college/law schol/business school/divinity school transcripts it would be news to me. Transcripts have been obtained illegally in the past for some candidates and been reported on. but there has never been a release by the campaign. The reason is that there is very little upside to a campaign. Release of grades goes two ways: 1) grades are bad – reaction is “what a dummy”; or 2)grades are good — reaction is “what an arrogant a** putting forward his GPA from 20 years ago.”

By the way, where did Obama get the money to attend Harvard?

Well I believe that his financial disclosure for the senate disclosed that both he and Michelle had just finished paying off their student loans. (after approximately 20 years) So my guess would be that he paid for law school with student loans. Possibly some money from his grandmother. I paid for my law school with a combination of student loans and scholarships. Most of my law shool friends completely financed their law school education through loans. They are now saddled with approximately $150K in loans. Student loans for Law School are not too difficult to get.

New_Jersey_Buckeye on April 26, 2011 at 2:50 PM

DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Thanks for reminding me why I shouldn’t engage you.

crr6 on April 26, 2011 at 2:26 PM

I would think that the previous drubbings you’ve received should be reminder enough, but some are slow to learn.

DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2011 at 3:50 PM

Hmmm… my last message wouldn’t post. It doesn’t show up, but if I try to re-post it, it says “Duplicate post, you already said that!”

DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2011 at 3:56 PM

I’ll try it again.

Just to inform you, law school grades are not contingent on getting published in a law review. Very few(if any) students are published in any law review or journal. Law school exams are blind graded. Meaning each law student is issued a exam number for each finals period. Instead of signing their own name on an exam, the student puts down their exam number on the exam. At most schools, any effort to identify yourself in the exam results in immediate failure on that exam. So any grades Obama earned in Law School were not due to any so-called affirmative action or other special treatment.

Far be it from me to question the integrity and/or competence of the Harvard professorial cadre, or that of the Nobel Prize committee either. But were I to do so, I could point out that you don’t need to look at a student’s papers to put a PASS in your grade book. (Remember Karen Hultgreen? She was that Female fighter pilot who was jumped over hundreds of Male Fighter pilot candidates? Nuff said about that.)

You say that the integrity of the normal process was preserved. I say that Obama violates normal process routinely, and in the absence of proof to the contrary, I feel entitled to assume the worst. He is the most unethical and mafioso like character we’ve ever seen in American politics.

DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2011 at 3:57 PM

Hmmm…. Wow. It still won’t post. What is up with that? Is there a ban on certain names? Let me try that again.

Karen Hultgreen.

DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2011 at 3:59 PM

Nope, that wasn’t it. I wonder what it is that it doesn’t like? I’ll try posting a piece of it. (I saved it.)

Far be it from me to question the integrity and/or competence of the Harvard professorial cadre, or that of the Nobel Prize committee either. But were I to do so, I could point out that you don’t need to look at a student’s papers to put a PASS in your grade book. (Remember Karen Hultgreen? She was that Female fighter pilot who was jumped over hundreds of Male Fighter pilot candidates? Nuff said about that.)

DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2011 at 4:00 PM

and another piece.

You say that the integrity of the normal process was preserved. I say that Obama violates normal process routinely, and in the absence of proof to the contrary, I feel entitled to assume the worst. He is the most unethical and mafioso like character we’ve ever seen in American politics.

DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2011 at 4:01 PM

Again, if you can find one example of any presidential campaign that has disclosed college/law schol/business school/divinity school transcripts it would be news to me. Transcripts have been obtained illegally in the past for some candidates and been reported on. but there has never been a release by the campaign. The reason is that there is very little upside to a campaign. Release of grades goes two ways: 1) grades are bad – reaction is “what a dummy”; or 2)grades are good — reaction is “what an arrogant a** putting forward his GPA from 20 years ago.”

Your reasons for his not releasing this stuff seems reasonable to me.

I’m not big on calling for the release of his school work. It is irrelevant to eligibility. That’s an issue for others. I take it for granted that he was a poor student because he says (in his ghostwritten book) that he was a poor student.

He also says (in his ghostwritten book) that he has no proof that Barack Obama Sr. is his father. Funny that.

DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2011 at 4:05 PM

Well I believe that his financial disclosure for the senate disclosed that both he and Michelle had just finished paying off their student loans.

Amazing what those kickbacks and bribes can do! Twenty years worth of payments all taken care of with one election! (I’m pretty sure Michelle’s do nothing job for 300 grand was the result of his election.) :)

(after approximately 20 years) So my guess would be that he paid for law school with student loans. Possibly some money from his grandmother. I paid for my law school with a combination of student loans and scholarships. Most of my law shool friends completely financed their law school education through loans. They are now saddled with approximately $150K in loans. Student loans for Law School are not too difficult to get.

New_Jersey_Buckeye on April 26, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Funny thing that. He also had the money to attend punahou school. Reading comments from someone who attended that school leads me to believe that it is ghastly expensive. (today’s tuition $17,000/year)

Where did he get the money to do that? Student loans?

EVERYTHING about this guy is peculiar.

DiogenesLamp on April 26, 2011 at 4:13 PM

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