Pew poll of Egypt: 54% want to end treaty with Israel, 79% view U.S. unfavorably

posted at 5:50 pm on April 25, 2011 by Allahpundit

The silver lining here: That 79 percent figure is a slight improvement. Last year, 82 percent viewed the U.S. unfavorably, which was higher than the numbers during the last few years of the Bush presidency. It dipped to 70 percent in 2009 after Obama was inaugurated, and then when the Egyptian public realized that he fully intended to go on supporting Mubarak and had no plan for Israeli/Palestinian peace, it shot up to over 80 in a spurt of disillusionment. But wait, you say — didn’t he earn any goodwill from nudging, then shoving, Mubarak under the bus a few months ago?

Not really:

Washington’s response to political change in countries such as Egypt, Tunisia, Bahrain and Libya has not won over most Egyptians – 52% disapprove of how President Obama is dealing with calls for political change in the Middle East, compared with 45% who approve…

Among Egyptians who disapprove of the U.S. response to events in the Middle East, 42% believe the U.S. president has shown too little support for those protesting in the streets of Cairo and elsewhere; just 13% believe Washington has shown too much support. Over a third (36%) of those unhappy with the U.S. response do not see the U.S. president as offering either too little or too much backing to advocates of political change…

When it comes to their own country, few Egyptians applaud U.S. handling of recent events. Only 22% say the U.S. response to the political situation in Egypt has had a positive impact on the way things are now going. Many more – 39% – feel the U.S. has had a negative impact.

Turns out 30 years of propping up their oppressor couldn’t be erased by a few weeks of frantic opportunism. Actually, among younger, better-educated Egyptians, 51 percent approve of how Obama’s handled the Arab Spring. But then, that was a frequent realist criticism of the protests in Tahrir Square: The younger and better-educated might be the noisiest and most camera-friendly, but they do not a majority make. In any case, this is a big reason why, I think, he was keen to intervene in Libya. He wanted to show that 42 percent who think he’s not doing enough that he’s willing to commit the mighty U.S. military (for a few days) to knocking out an especially vicious strongman next door in Libya. I wonder what the numbers here would be if he hadn’t made that move. Any difference, or is this cake already baked?

As for Israel, the numbers are gruesome: 54 percent want the Camp David accords annulled versus just 36 percent who want them upheld. And while there is a split between liberals and fundamentalists, it’s not as sharp as you might hope.

That’s dramatically different from the poll I blogged a few weeks ago showing majority support for maintaining relations with Israel, but in that case, the question paired upholding the accords with an Israeli/Palestinian peace settlement. When you ask the question in isolation, the numbers flip.

One more data point for you. The Muslim Brotherhood doesn’t break 20 percent when people are asked which party they support, but … maybe that doesn’t matter so much:

As usual, the best hedge against fanaticism is corruption: The Egyptian military, which is close to the U.S. and heavily invested in making sure no Sunni Khomeinists interfere with its racketeering, retains an 88 percent favorable rating among the public. They’ll have plenty of leverage going forward over the government, and the U.S. will still retain some leverage with them to hold fundies in check. In fact, despite the poor ratings for the U.S. overall, 40 percent of Egyptians want the country to remain as closely allied with America as it was before and another 15 percent want the alliance to grow even closer. That’s surprising. I’m not sure how to explain it, unless they’re worried about keeping the flow of foreign aid going and/or unless fears of Shiite expansionism have started to penetrate in Egypt too. Any theories?


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The Arab spring transitioned to icicles faster than I’d predicted.

Syria will be the crux of the region. Obama and his are clueless to that fact.

Schadenfreude on April 25, 2011 at 5:53 PM

How`d Egypt`s last war go with Israel?

ThePrez on April 25, 2011 at 5:53 PM

And 100% think Christopher Hitchens is the most terrifying rhetorician the world has seen.

DaydreamBeliever on April 25, 2011 at 5:53 PM

If Obama were smart, and with the Israelis, and he is neither, he’d focus on Syria alone. Liberalizing them would cut off the oxygen and the access, the paths, of Hezzbolah and Hamas, and all the focus could go elsewhere. Alas…

Schadenfreude on April 25, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Any theories?

Same theory that holds that 79% of Americans want Medicare untouched and 63% do not want the debt ceiling raised. It’s a strange world.

WashJeff on April 25, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Wasn’t there a poll at Hot Air not long ago that stated only about 10% of the Egyptians actually wanted a war with Israel in spite of the fact that they don’t much like the Israelis?

I think this is a case of not liking whatever Mubarak did or liked, and that is not surprising considering what life is like for most Egyptians.

We don’t much like Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro, but that does not mean that most Americans want a war with Venezuela and Cuba.

From everything I have seen most Egyptians are more concerned with domestic policy in their own country than they are with Israel.

Terrye on April 25, 2011 at 6:01 PM

U.S. policy is to liberate the will of the people (of Egypt). If bad consequnces flow from that well at least we can say – amid the charred, irradiated ruins of Israel – “we did it for democracy”. Pat on the back, everyone.

aengus on April 25, 2011 at 6:02 PM

The “Arab Spring” is really the “Islamic Spring”, and before it’s over we’ll see the reemergence of the caliphate.

Rebar on April 25, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Pew poll of Egypt: 54% want to end treaty with Israel, 79% view U.S. unfavorably
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Well,F’n Duh,what did everyone think was going to happen!!

canopfor on April 25, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Pew poll of Egypt: 54% want to end treaty with Israel

Wasn’t there an LSM poll around a month ago that said most Egyptians didn’t want to end the peace with Israel?

At any rate, I was naturally skeptical when I heard that back then.

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 25, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Maybe there’s realization beginning to dawn that those nice fellows from Iran who gave them logistical support to bring down Mubarak aren’t really their friends either.

Sekhmet on April 25, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Is it just me, or am I the only one who basically doesn’t care whether these people like us or not?

I don’t. You want to live in the 7th century; be my guest. Just don’t expect me to care to live in it with you.

sdillard on April 25, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Odds on how long it takes the Egyptian people to decide to renew the treaty once Israel starts kicking their ass in another 6-day war?

Snaqwels on April 25, 2011 at 6:11 PM

How`d Egypt`s last war go with Israel?

ThePrez on April 25, 2011 at 5:53 PM

“Thank you sir, may I have another!”

aunursa on April 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM

The “Arab Spring” is really the “Islamic Spring”, and before it’s over we’ll see the reemergence of the caliphate.

Rebar on April 25, 2011 at 6:04 PM

More like Iran realizes that they are up against a deadline if they want to make trouble under the bungling of 0bama. As of January 20, 2013, it is highly likely someone else will be President, and that person will be a Republican. They released the hostages when Reagan was inaugurated because they knew peaceniks and other appeasers wouldn’t vote for Reagan with a gun to their heads. Reagan can’t lose votes he never had, and he knew it. The same will apply to the inauguree in 2013, should s/he be a Republican.

The idea is to do something before 2013 that cannot be reversed, going overtime on the nuclear program, and taking down governments known to work with the USA on terror issues. Liberals are in love with the idea of the people spontaneously rising up against their oppressors, and don’t question where the foreign support is coming from. Iran struck a deal with local Islamist movements and provided technical and logistical support to students to lead successful uprisings against their leaders in nations Iran has targeted to have more “friendly” governments for when the balloon goes up.

Sekhmet on April 25, 2011 at 6:16 PM

Peace Treaty Between Israel and Egypt
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(March 26, 1979)
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Sixteen months after Sadat’s visit to Israel, the Israel-Egypt peace treaty was signed in Washington. It contains nine articles, a military annex, an annex dealing with the relation between the parties, agreed minutes interpreting the main articles of the treaty, among them Article 6, the withdrawal schedule, exchange of ambassadors, security arrangements and the agreement relating to the autonomy talks. The latter issue was contained in a letter addressed by President Sadat and Prime Minister Begin to President Carter.

In a separate Israel-US Memorandum of Agreement, concluded on the same day, the US spelled out its commitments to Israel in case the treaty is violated, the role of the UN and the future supply of military and economic aid to Israel.
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Text:

The Government of the Arab Republic of Egypt and the Government of the State of Israel;

PREAMBLE

Article I

Article I
Concept of Withdrawal
Article II
Determination of Final Lines and Zones
(More……………..)

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/egypt-israel_treaty.html

canopfor on April 25, 2011 at 6:17 PM

So then they’d be giving back the Sinai, right??

tikvah on April 25, 2011 at 6:26 PM

More like Iran realizes that they are up against a deadline if they want to make trouble under the bungling of 0bama.

Sekhmet on April 25, 2011 at 6:16 PM

I half agree, but I think it’s the muslem brotherhood behind all this, seeing a golden opportunity to recreate an Arab/Sunni caliphate ruled by Egypt.

Rebar on April 25, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Let us all pray that Egypt pursues a secular, enlightened route. The statistic that astounds myself is that 80 to 90 percent of the female population has undergone female genital mutilation. I will never understand Islam.

SC.Charlie on April 25, 2011 at 6:30 PM

Odds on how long it takes the Egyptian people to decide to renew the treaty once Israel starts kicking their ass in another 6-day war?

Snaqwels on April 25, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Not to mention that Red Sea Thingy…

CynicalOptimist on April 25, 2011 at 6:36 PM

This is what a democracy movement looks like.

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Thanks lefties. We have another Iran all over again. The left should NEVER e trusted with our national security. They are going to get American’s and Israeli’s killed.

jawkneemusic on April 25, 2011 at 6:45 PM

Can we get our last 20 no 10 5 years of foreign aid back?

Wander on April 25, 2011 at 6:56 PM

Well by golly, send this little darlings a billion or five to make them see the light! bho wanted marbark gone and the rop type brotherhood are doing their thing. If we American think we can deal with the rop type, you are so sol! These people are like d’s and rino’s, they want the total crater of our Republic and bho and team are seeing to it that happens. BTW that goes for all the other wars we are in and our men and women are getting killed for the sorry pos sending them there.
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letget on April 25, 2011 at 7:04 PM

What is amazing is that so many supposedly level headed people continue to believe in the myth that the muslim world would be satisfied with peace. They are by their religion bound and determined to make war on Jew, Christian, Hindus, atheists, and any other people that refuse to convert or be third class subjects.

I hope at least Hotair.com will never again see anyone talking about making peace with muslims, it is like asking water not to wet

georgealbert on April 25, 2011 at 7:10 PM

The Spinx had better look out… it still has most of its facial features remaining after the Turks shot off its nose.

The next Islamic despots will have heavier fire power.

SM4RT P0W3R!

profitsbeard on April 25, 2011 at 7:29 PM

Go straight to hell you Egyptians. Do not pass go.

carbon_footprint on April 25, 2011 at 7:35 PM

U.S. policy is to liberate the will of the people (of Egypt). If bad consequnces flow from that well at least we can say – amid the charred, irradiated ruins of Israel – “we did it for democracy”. Pat on the back, everyone.

aengus on April 25, 2011 at 6:02 PM

aengus, Sir, you forgot a “Current” in front of your comment.

Schadenfreude on April 25, 2011 at 7:53 PM

52% disapprove of how President Obama is dealing with calls for political change in the Middle East, compared with 45% who approve

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Well.. it seems that 45% of those Egypt polled think that Obarry is a muslim… while 52% have figured out that he’s just a moron…
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RalphyBoy on April 25, 2011 at 8:12 PM

Any theories?

Yes, it’s the same old same old. The rest of the world has always looked upon the US with a combination of love, hate, fear, respect, disdain, scorn, envy, admiration. The wise understand it’s better to be allied with US interests than opposed to them and know that, for the time being anyhow, we’re the only nation with a world-wide reach. It’s always better to be on good terms with the super power.

Of course, our president is trying mightily to change that whole dynamic. If he gets his way, there will be no real upside to aligning with an enfeebled US.

SukieTawdry on April 25, 2011 at 8:35 PM

nObama IS the 12th Imam………..all hail!

dmann on April 25, 2011 at 9:15 PM

Pew poll of Egypt: 54% want to end treaty with Israel, 79% view U.S. unfavorably\

This from the “most moderate” Muslim country extant. I wonder what the fanatic Muslim countries feel about us? (LOL).

MaiDee on April 26, 2011 at 12:57 AM

Confirmed: Kooky moozies who have hated us for centuries and wanted to lop our heads off, STILL hate us and want to lop our heads off,..even though we give them stuff and bow to them and apologize for offending them with our existence on earth.

Alden Pyle on April 26, 2011 at 7:36 AM