NYT poll: 47% of Republicans think Obama was born in another country

posted at 4:18 pm on April 21, 2011 by Allahpundit

Embarrassing, especially since the question wasn’t confined to the usual narrow issue of birth-certificate minutiae. Respondents were asked, very broadly, “Was President Obama born in the U.S.?” I would have guessed that most Birthers would answer “don’t know” since that’s the crux of the issue, after all. Because The One won’t release his long-form, supposedly we’re left to wonder whether that official state Certification of Live Birth can really be trusted. In fact, that’s Trump’s position: He told “The View” a few weeks ago that he thinks Obama “was probably born in Hawaii” but that he just needs a litttttttle more convincing. As it turns out, though, only a small minority of Republicans polled chose the “don’t know” option whereas a near majority opted for a clear “nope.” What gives?

A plurality of Republican voters, 47 percent, said they believed Mr. Obama, who was born in Hawaii, was born in another country; 22 percent said they did not know where he was born, and 32 percent said they believed he was born in the United States.

While that might indicate that there is a receptive audience for the real estate mogul Donald J. Trump as he raises questions about Mr. Obama’s citizenship, the poll also pointed to potential roadblocks for him should he pursue a formal candidacy.

Mr. Trump has been getting considerable attention as a possibly strong contender, but just about as many Republicans view him favorably as view him unfavorably — 35 percent favorably and 32 percent unfavorably— and nearly 60 percent of Republicans interviewed said they did not believe he was a serious candidate. (Far more of all voters view him unfavorably — 46 percent — than view him favorably, 25 percent.)

These “surprisingly high percentage of conservatives believe XYZ about Obama” polls pop up sporadically, but I don’t think I’ve seen one yet that tries seriously to separate the various subsets of opinion that form that result. For instance, on the question of whether he was born in the U.S., you’ve likely got a bunch of different groups coming together in the “no” column. First, of course, there are the hardcore Birthers who are convinced that he was born in Kenya and that we’re all the victims of a horrible ruse. Then you’ve got the softcore Birthers like Trump who aren’t sure where he was born but have enough doubts over the birth certificate that they’re willing to say “no” when asked if he was born here. Then you’ve got the people who don’t follow politics generally or the Birther issue specifically but have picked up enough tidbits of Obama’s biography along the way to draw the conclusion that he was born elsewhere. They know his dad was from Kenya, they knew he grew up in Indonesia, so they conclude that he probably didn’t arrive in the U.S. until later. Remember when Huckabee misspoke and confused those two countries when referencing Obama’s bio?

Finally, you’ve got garden-variety low-information voters/idiots who not only don’t know where Obama was born, they may not even know that a natural-born requirement exists in the Constitution. According to another recent poll, only 49 percent of Republicans and 33 percent of Democrats(!) are aware that the GOP now controls the House. If not even half the party knows that, it’s no stretch to think that some chunk hasn’t a clue about the controversy over The One’s origins and is deducing the “answer” from the pollster’s interest in posing the question. (I.e. “If they’re going to the trouble of asking me where Obama was born, the answer probably can’t be as simple as ‘the U.S.’”) I don’t know what the relative percentages are for all these subgroups — it may well be that hardcore Birthers are a heavy majority and low-information idiots a tiny sliver — but it’d be worth finding out before drawing grand lessons about what the base believes. As it is, I recommend re-reading this post by Greenroomer Karl from last August, when yet another poll about Birtherism had hands a-wringing. Is Obama a natural-born citizen — or is he a werewolf?

Via Politico, here’s Trump expressing annoyance about being quizzed on Birtherism after having spent a month almost singlehandedly mainstreaming it. Exit quotation from a man who now says he only wants to talk about the real issues: “We’re looking into it very, very strongly. At a certain point in time I’ll be revealing some interesting things.”


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The GOP: The “adult” party.

ernesto on April 21, 2011 at 4:20 PM

This could be spun as the more reasonable “47% of Republicans want Obama to stop hiding his g*ddamn birth certificate.”

teke184 on April 21, 2011 at 4:20 PM

*facepalm* There are so many ways to oppose Obama that would actually get traction in the public.
Thanks a lot, Donald.

itsnotaboutme on April 21, 2011 at 4:20 PM

why do I have a feeling that there is a trap in here somewhere???

ted c on April 21, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Born? I thought he decended from the clouds. Who knew?

dthorny on April 21, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Embarrassing

You said it.

MadisonConservative on April 21, 2011 at 4:22 PM

“47% of Republicans want Obama to stop hiding his @#$%^&* birth certificate.”

teke184 on April 21, 2011 at 4:20 PM

Why should he???
Obama wants this to be an issue!

itsnotaboutme on April 21, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Republicans think Barack Obama lies. All the time. About everything. And they’re right. That’s all this poll tells us.

Rational Thought on April 21, 2011 at 4:22 PM

This could be spun as the more reasonable “47% of Republicans want Obama to stop hiding his g*ddamn birth certificate.”

teke184 on April 21, 2011 at 4:20 PM

Absolutely not. This can only be spun one way: “47% of republicans answered NO to the following question: “Was President Obama born in the U.S.?”

ernesto on April 21, 2011 at 4:23 PM

Good lord….Speechless.

therightwinger on April 21, 2011 at 4:23 PM

Give it up Allah. Your fight against “birthers” have been a failure.

I actually think all the condescending remarks made by the mainstream “conservative” punditry has backfired, big time.
One thing would be to ignore or factually dispute a theory yyou disagree with. But when you constantly ridicule and demean people with a different point of view, you tend not to gain support for your point of view.

Norwegian on April 21, 2011 at 4:23 PM

IF you ask me a year ago, I’d say no. I hate him so much that if you ask me now if he fornicates with goats with rubber marital aids, I’d say yes and I’d photoshop the evidence.

Apologetic California on April 21, 2011 at 4:23 PM

Dear MSM,

What % of Democrats think Bush knew about 9/11 and let it happen in order to invade Iraq?

— crickets on that polling data

angryed on April 21, 2011 at 4:23 PM

No, both sides here got way out of hand, talked past each other, threw out ad hominems, and generally devolved into stupidity such as criticizing spelling/grammar.

In other words… I can’t wait for Allah to post this to the mainpage later tonight so we can go though it all over again! :-)

Abby Adams on April 21, 2011 at 3:27 PM

Heh!

DarkCurrent on April 21, 2011 at 4:23 PM

Why didn’t they ask how many independents and Democrats think the same thing?

Why didn’t they ask if people thought Obama was hiding something?

sharrukin on April 21, 2011 at 4:25 PM

No, the real story about Trump isn’t Trump.

It’s the pass given Obama by the media. Whether it’s regarding Obama’s birthplace, whether Obama personally heard Wright’s racist and anti-Semitic sermons, or whether unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers wrote Obama’s first book, Obama manages to avoid careful examination from the adoring media.

Trump would not be relevant — if the media had been.

Schadenfreude on April 21, 2011 at 4:25 PM

NYT reports that 47% of Republicans think Obama is a zombie and 74% of Democratics think Obama is the messiah.

pedestrian on April 21, 2011 at 4:25 PM

I call BS on this poll. Heck, not even 47% of people on this site would say that.

ButterflyDragon on April 21, 2011 at 4:26 PM

Who cares where he was born. He is the smartest man, ever, because his mother said so. Live with it.

Schadenfreude on April 21, 2011 at 4:26 PM

angryed on April 21, 2011 at 4:23 PM

From Rasmussen, the top result when you google “Bush 9/11 poll” (so you can search yourself next time):

Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure. Republicans reject that view and, by a 7-to-1 margin, say the President did not know in advance about the attacks. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 18% believe the President knew and 57% take the opposite view.

ernesto on April 21, 2011 at 4:27 PM

Here’s another poll you won’t see from the NY Times any time soon:

Is $6 gas going to

a) hurt
b) kill
c) destroy

the economy?

angryed on April 21, 2011 at 4:27 PM

Personally, I think he’s from Manchuria… making him a Manchurian President. Explains a lot.

VastRightWingConspirator on April 21, 2011 at 4:27 PM

Also, he wanted to be PM of Indonesia when he was 6, and president of China when he’s nearly fifty.

These are real smarts. Leave the man alone.

Schadenfreude on April 21, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Maybe the respondents recognized that it was a stupid question and therefore didn’t deserve a legitimate answer?

You know, like ernesto’s posts on this site.

malclave on April 21, 2011 at 4:28 PM

ernesto on April 21, 2011 at 4:27 PM

Rasmussen is the MSM?

Dear MSM,

What % of Democrats think Bush knew about 9/11 and let it happen in order to invade Iraq?

— crickets on that polling data

angryed on April 21, 2011 at 4:23 PM

angryed on April 21, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Why didn’t they ask how many independents and Democrats think the same thing?

Why didn’t they ask if people thought Obama was hiding something?

sharrukin on April 21, 2011 at 4:25 PM

Because the poll was intende to “embarrass” Republicans. But it hasn’t worked, nor will it.

Questions about Obama’s birth certificate has saturated media over the last month, and Obama’s approval number has declined over the same time period. Not directly linked of course, but noone can argue the reverse, i.e. that the debate has “helped” Obama in any shape or form.

Norwegian on April 21, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Where are any of Obama’s records? School transcripts? Papers? He’s spent a gazillion dollars hiding them all. Why?

txhsmom on April 21, 2011 at 4:29 PM

100% of Democrats believe raising taxes on the wealthy will reduce the deficit!

Who is more delusional?

Opposite Day on April 21, 2011 at 4:29 PM

Well, technically the US holds no territory beyond the earth, so if someone thinks he acts like he’s from another planet, that wouldn’t be “this country.”

cthulhu on April 21, 2011 at 4:29 PM

Questions about Obama’s birth certificate has saturated media over the last month, and Obama’s approval number has declined over the same time period. Not directly linked of course, but noone can argue the reverse, i.e. that the debate has “helped” Obama in any shape or form.

Norwegian on April 21, 2011 at 4:28 PM

No rational person can argue that, but plenty of the irrational sorts do in fact argue exactly that.

sharrukin on April 21, 2011 at 4:30 PM

Melania Trump Takes On CNN’s Joy Behar – 4/20/2011

http://conservativeblogscentral.blogspot.com/2011/04/melania-trump-takes-on-cnns-joy-behar.html

Nearly Nobody on April 21, 2011 at 4:30 PM

The same Republicans who keep choosing Huckabee as their Presidential candidate.

Facepalm.

portlandon on April 21, 2011 at 4:30 PM

You have to read the Hawaiian statutes to fully understand how little you can count on the information published on a COLB is worth.

You especially have to see all the special case variations like the cases of birth by midwife and cases such as a child born not under medical care such as in a cab on the way to a medical facility.

In fact is cases like a Witness Protection Program the statutes allow a COLB to be made up out of whole cloth.

There are multiple sections of the statutes there relating to the production of the COLB,which is a subset of the data on a long form birth record. There are many ways a COLB can be modified after it is originally issued and there is no requirement for any kind of code number or reference number to be documented on the COLB to allow tracking of an audit trail of any or all changes which were done to it per allowable state statutes.

CommentGuy on April 21, 2011 at 4:30 PM

Hello, NY Times – 100 percent of Republicans believe our infamous free press never vetted candidate Obama. The vast majority of the public realizes that Obama has NEVER shown anyone his birth certificate, although there are questions in some corners.

The vast majority of the public knows that, when Obama was running for the Senate, the Democrats pulled out SEALED divorce records from Jack and Jeri Ryans divorce in California. The vast majority of the public knows that, during the 2004 presidential campaign, George Bush’s SEALED DUI records in Maine were released to the public. The vast majority of the public knows that, if they go down to get a passport, they’d better bring a complete birth certificate and not a “certificate of live birth” with them otherwise it ain’t gonna fly.

Now, given all of that, is it too much to ask a man running for President to show his birth certificate? We all know that if Obama were a Republican someone in Hawaii would have leaked it already. We all know the press was questioning whether John McCain was eligible to run because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone.

So, given all of that, let’s just deal with the facts and find out why not showing the birth certificate is worth $2 million.

bflat879 on April 21, 2011 at 4:30 PM

Who cares? I just want one person someday to ask him where is your long-from BC & your grades from college and why won’t you produce them? Maybe Trump will do it in a debate? That would be funny.

JAM on April 21, 2011 at 4:31 PM

This is the reverse halo effect of psychology.

Halo effect is people assuming a product endorsed by a celebrity is good because they like the celebrity, even though the product itself is junk.

So many people despise this man with so much passion they’ll believe the negative of anything he sells. He is selling that he was born in Hawaii, people will disbelieve it just because he is the pitchman for the product.

angryed on April 21, 2011 at 4:31 PM

Absolutely not. This can only be spun one way: “47% of republicans answered NO to the following question: “Was President Obama born in the U.S.?”

ernesto on April 21, 2011 at 4:23 PM

Wrong.

The only thing this says is:

“The New York Times (home of the “General Betray US” ad) claims that 47% of people claiming to be Republicans claim to believe that Barack Obama was not born in the U.S.”

malclave on April 21, 2011 at 4:31 PM

47% of Republicans don’t really believe this. It’s because the man’s a serial liar and thug politician combined with the fact that he’s spent millions in legal fees to keep key aspects of his past under lock and key(including the birth certificate) and was never vetted by his sycophants in the media. This poll is a way for a very PO’d portion of the electorate to stick it to Obama and the media.

(Oh, and it doesn’t help matters that he’s been the worst President in modern history.)

Doughboy on April 21, 2011 at 4:31 PM

According to another recent poll, only 49 percent of Republicans and 33 percent of Democrats(!) are aware that the GOP now controls the House.

I do not believe this poll. If people are that dumb, they probably don’t know what party they are affiliated with either, so they just said whatever came to their mind first.
Seeing that it was a NYT poll, they were probably baited to say Republican just to make our party look dumber than the Democrats. I wouldn’t put anything past the liberal media, especially in New York, especially the Times.

Susanboo on April 21, 2011 at 4:31 PM

Tweet by Sylvester Stallone 11/2/10:

I voted did you? Gotta get the Manchurian Candidate out of the drivers seat before were ALL soaring off a cliff into Oblivion … Be smart. the Manchurian Candidate was a movie about fake president who was put there by foreign enemies to destroy America. Scary concept. Rise up!

kingsjester on April 21, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Doughboy on April 21, 2011 at 4:31 PM

This.

d1carter on April 21, 2011 at 4:32 PM

The GOP: The “adult” party.

ernesto on April 21, 2011 at 4:20 PM

Thanks for your puerile attempts at sanity.

Sanity is indignant.

Schadenfreude on April 21, 2011 at 4:34 PM

Maybe it is just wishful thinking…

… Anyone who has done so much damage to the United States in such a short period of time, couldn’t have possibly have been born here.

Seven Percent Solution on April 21, 2011 at 4:34 PM

Personally, I think he’s from Manchuria… making him a Manchurian President. Explains a lot.

VastRightWingConspirator on April 21, 2011 at 4:27 PM

He’s too thin to be an authentic Manchurian. Not to mention the ears.

DarkCurrent on April 21, 2011 at 4:34 PM

Abby Adams on April 21, 2011 at 3:27 PM

Heh!

DarkCurrent on April 21, 2011 at 4:23 PM

Hurray!!!!!!! :-)

Abby Adams on April 21, 2011 at 4:34 PM

NYT thinks Republicans think? Who knew?

Who cares?

Caststeel on April 21, 2011 at 4:35 PM

This is not the bandwagon effect Obama was hoping for.

RedRedRice on April 21, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Obama acts like he has something to hide.

It would be foolish to think that his handlers wouldn’t now this.

So, to what purpose are him and his handlers keeping this little detail a secret?

The truth is rarely as spectacular as the myth, and the myth can be manipulated to make nay-sayers appear foolish and accusations discreditable.

Myth or no, the facts are that the State of Hawaii official documents say he was born there. Facts reflect his mother is a U.S. citizen. Facts suggest his father was Kenyan.

So, at worst, Obama could probably claim dual citizenships if he wanted to.

At best, Obama is playing his enemies for fools, keeping open the door to this blind-alley for his detractors to waste their time on.

Lawrence on April 21, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Apparently, Hawaii has had so many problems with this that they have a special link on their vital stats page devoted to it:
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

Count to 10 on April 21, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Focus on this.

Obama is not a socialist.

Obama is a radical, a Chavez, who is selling his “social compact” (his words) now. It’s the Hobbes version but he wants to disguise this fact.

These other topics are a distraction from this.

Unemployment is high, housing is down, income is down, gas prices are up. This is his fault but he wants the topic distracted with this and with Libya.

Don’t let this happen.

If he gets in for a 2nd term that will be the end of you and your progeny, as you know life to be. He will have no more limits on his quest to be king of the world.

Schadenfreude on April 21, 2011 at 4:37 PM

This could be spun as the more reasonable “47% of Republicans want Obama to stop hiding his g*ddamn birth certificate.”
teke184 on April 21, 2011 at 4:20 PM

Or, more accurately, “47% of the GOP chooses to beclown itself.”

Vyce on April 21, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Here’s my level of confidence:
99% – I believe he was born in the U.S.
66% – I believe the is nothing really wrong with his true birth certificate that could be a real issue.
33% – I believe his long form birth certificate would show an Islamic name from being adopted in Indonesia, a country that does NOT have dual citizenship privileges. His failure to re-declare- at 18- his U.S. citizenship would leave his citizenship rather murky, to say the least.

NOTE: I STILL mainly believe nothing is really wrong.

michaelo on April 21, 2011 at 4:37 PM

I would be foolish to think his handlers wouldn’t “know” this. Argh…

Lawrence on April 21, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Where are any of Obama’s records? School transcripts? Papers? He’s spent a gazillion dollars hiding them all. Why?

txhsmom on April 21, 2011 at 4:29 PM

Or anyone who was in one of his *snicker* constitutional law classes? It’s just really bizarre.

SouthernGent on April 21, 2011 at 4:38 PM

I have gotten to the place where I don’t believe half of what in these socalled polls that pop up like this. I would not be surprised if people are not just saying that because they don’t like Obama.

Terrye on April 21, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Who cares where the 0ne was born? I hope (for a good laugh) that we eventually get to see the real birth certificate. Should be humorous finding out why it’s been hidden for so long, along with everything else.

shanimal on April 21, 2011 at 4:38 PM

What per cent think that Ayers wrote his first book?
What per cent think his last name was legally changed to Soerto and he never legally changed it back?
The list goes on and on…
.
This is the first President that people know so little about his background. And any information that is available was produced and controlled by Obama (mainly through the two books of his), no independent investigations. Wasn’t one of the first executive orders Obama signed as President was blocking information about his past?

albill on April 21, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Finally, you’ve got garden-variety low-information voters/idiots who not only don’t know where Obama was born, they may not even know that a natural-born requirement exists in the Constitution.

Or know it’s there, but think it’s antiquated.

(I keed, I keed)

DrAllecon on April 21, 2011 at 4:39 PM

Ask, over and over, for his academic records, from high school and to the end. GWB’s are out there, Kerry’s are out there, Gore’s are…why not his?

Schadenfreude on April 21, 2011 at 4:39 PM

As it turns out, though, only a small minority of Republicans polled chose the “don’t know” option whereas a near majority opted for a clear “nope.” What gives?

It means that Obama lies all the time, and it means that we just want Obama’s birth certificate scrutinised in the same manner as Obama treated McCain’s in the Senate, and it means that the birther basher punditry has zero effect on the intelligence of those 47%, and what gives is that we are simply smarter and have more grey cells to rub together than those who are puzzled by this poll.

Mcguyver on April 21, 2011 at 4:39 PM

angryed on April 21, 2011 at 4:23 PM

What % of Democrats think Bush planned, orchestrated and managed the false flag attack of 9/11 and all in order to invade Iraq and create a police start in the US.

This would be higher than just allowed it to happen and all he did was ignore a threat that came out in August..that is if they asked.

tjexcite on April 21, 2011 at 4:39 PM

No way could a man with the worst characteristics of Jimmy Carter, LBJ and James Buchanan be born. He was created. A miracle of D’rat politics!

Caststeel on April 21, 2011 at 4:40 PM

Questions about Obama’s birth certificate has saturated media over the last month, and Obama’s approval number has declined over the same time period. Not directly linked of course, but noone can argue the reverse, i.e. that the debate has “helped” Obama in any shape or form.

Norwegian on April 21, 2011 at 4:28 PM

No rational person can argue that, but plenty of the irrational sorts do in fact argue exactly that.

sharrukin on April 21, 2011 at 4:30 PM

It helps Obama by making the other party look bad…and you don’t know if those numbers for Obama might be even lower if the media spent more time talking about high gas prices and the looming debt crisis than they did the conspiracy theories surrounding Obama’s birth place.

Terrye on April 21, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Born? I thought he decended from the clouds. Who knew?

dthorny on April 21, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Surfed in on the waves. Hasn’t affected the level of the oceans, yet. Still waiting.

Schadenfreude on April 21, 2011 at 4:41 PM

This explains why Corsi’s new book shot to No. 1 Bestseller on Amazon in less than 24 hours (and the book won’t even be available until May).

I guess the birthers and birther-curious are not comprised just a handful of kooks on the fringe like Ed and Allah would like you to believe.

txsurveyor on April 21, 2011 at 4:41 PM

33% – I believe his long form birth certificate would show an Islamic name from being adopted in Indonesia, a country that does NOT have dual citizenship privileges. His failure to re-declare- at 18- his U.S. citizenship would leave his citizenship rather murky, to say the least.
michaelo on April 21, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Ah, yeah, this is quite likely, actually.

But does the U.S. really if Idonesia considers him a citizen or not? His citizenship is well established in context of his election the Illinois senate.

His birthplace is the issue of debate.

Lawrence on April 21, 2011 at 4:42 PM

What % of Democrats think Bush planned, orchestrated and managed the false flag attack of 9/11 and all in order to invade Iraq and create a police start in the US.

This would be higher than just allowed it to happen and all he did was ignore a threat that came out in August..that is if they asked.

tjexcite on April 21, 2011 at 4:39 PM

I bet it is more than 47%.

Terrye on April 21, 2011 at 4:42 PM

Obama wasn’t vetted by the media and he is still treated with a sickening deference by far too many on the right as well as in the MSM.

He should be held to the same standards others are held, and that so many Republicans are upset by this is rather disturbing.

sharrukin on April 21, 2011 at 4:42 PM

The Hawaiian Statutes are much more restrictive as to what and what isn’t allowed to be done with the long form birth record than all the allowed flexibility and lack of any paper trail of alterations or any indications that alterations have been applied.

Therefore reliance on the COLB is less secure than reliance on the long form original birth record for positive proof.

So much of the implementation of the data contained in the COLB and the methods of allowed alterations are left up to the discretion of the administrators implementing the statutes that it puts the entire worth of the COLB for birth proof in doubt.

For many years some local state agencies would not even accept a COLB for such purposes and required a long form birth record to be produced.

CommentGuy on April 21, 2011 at 4:42 PM

Embarrassing

You said it.

MadisonConservative on April 21, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Nah. It’s very entertaining. It’s hilarious to watch the media and Trump. Haven’t had this much fun since Obama won. If the media would do their job, this would be a non-item. Because they eat caca for him, 99%, such is allowed to dwell under the surface of the real travesty.

Schadenfreude on April 21, 2011 at 4:43 PM

It helps Obama by making the other party look bad…

Terrye on April 21, 2011 at 4:41 PM

So you are more worried about ‘looking bad’ than the truth, or any principles involved?

sharrukin on April 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Is this the GOP equivalent of the poll showing some 40% of Dems were Truthers and thought Bush did 9/11?

jp on April 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Somebody challenges my citizenship.

I have a long form birth certificate with doctor’s signature, hospital, parents names, etc on it showing I was born in the USA.

I could end all the controversy about my citizenship by just releasing said birth certificate.

Yet, I spend millions of dollars preventing its release.

What part of that makes sense? If his birth certificate will finally clarify for the country AND his family (who can’t name the hospital) which hospital in Hawaii he was born in, then why fight to keep it sealed?

If the information in your college records, birth records, medical records is not seriously damaging, and Americans forgive and ignore a lot, why hide the records? Why did John McCain put himself up to scrutiny and ridicule by releasing 3,000 pages of medical records, yet Obama only provides a letter from a doctor saying “Trust me, he’s fine”?

If you’ve got nothing to hide, you don’t hide it. If you’re hiding something, it’s for a reason.

Please, liberal trolls, tell me what good reason is there NOT to release a long form birth certificate and your college records. There’s only one cable news network that will actually cover anything negative in them, so what’s the harm?

PastorJon on April 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM

It helps Obama by making the other party look bad…and you don’t know if those numbers for Obama might be even lower if the media spent more time talking about high gas prices and the looming debt crisis than they did the conspiracy theories surrounding Obama’s birth place.

Terrye on April 21, 2011 at 4:41 PM

That’s an extremely weak argument with no basis in polling data.

Norwegian on April 21, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Melania Trump Takes On CNN’s Joy Behar – 4/20/2011

http://conservativeblogscentral.blogspot.com/2011/04/melania-trump-takes-on-cnns-joy-behar.html

Nearly Nobody on April 21, 2011 at 4:30 PM

That was painful. Thanks!

MeatHeadinCA on April 21, 2011 at 4:47 PM

shxt long comment got deleted, well here’s summary-

I think his name on long form is Barry Dunham

I think he changed it at 18 or thereabouts when he tried on another identity and ‘flirted’ with Islam and traveled to Pock-e-stahhn for Spring Break on a Kenyan passport (US travel banned there then)

I think he changed ‘selves; again and ‘flirted’ with Christianity as Black Liberation Theology and was later baptised by Jerry Wright to earn Chicago ‘cred’.

I think now he ‘flirts’ with being a secular humanist or some crxp.

I think they hid all this because the American people would find a person with NO CORE VALUES OR EVEN PERSONALITY WHATSOEVER to be unacceptable as POTUS.

I think the MFM and Team O figure we ‘bitter clingers, who have antipathy to those unlike us’ wouldnt understand, gee Barry was just experimenting, finding himself, blah blah blah…

Why dont they ask him?

Let Donald ask him in first debate, isnt it true you were born Barry Dunham etc etc

ginaswo on April 21, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Is this the GOP equivalent of the poll showing some 40% of Dems were Truthers and thought Bush did 9/11?

jp on April 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM

No because Obama is spending a great deal of money, time, and effort to keep his information from public sight.

That’s a fact.

Why is the question?

sharrukin on April 21, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Damned, 47%. As in almost half?

Embarassing doesn’t being to describe it.

I’d call them morons but, y’know, that’d be insulting morons.

SteveMG on April 21, 2011 at 4:48 PM

ginaswo on April 21, 2011 at 4:48 PM

I’m in your birfer camp, Gina.

MeatHeadinCA on April 21, 2011 at 4:50 PM

Embarrassing, -AP

But the NYT wants this rezult, you see.

I think Trump is smart enough not to ask questions he doesn’t know the answers for, and Jerome Corsi’s book comes out in a month or so that might contain a little hard evidence, the hard evidence to which The Donald has been referring, in fact.

Then all youse RINO morons will look like morons!

Akzed on April 21, 2011 at 4:50 PM

PastorJon on April 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Or, maybe you don’t have the original birth certificate anymore, and your state will only give you a certificate of live birth. Maybe it takes millions of dollars to hire a law firm to deal with you legal issues, one of which is fending off law suits that try to force you to do something you can’t.

The rest? Good question, but mostly unrelated.

Count to 10 on April 21, 2011 at 4:51 PM

Is this the GOP equivalent of the poll showing some 40% of Dems were Truthers and thought Bush did 9/11?

jp on April 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM

“Truthers” subscribed to an idea far more “fringe” than questioning a person’s birth certificate.

And yet, it did no damage to the Democratic Party. That Rasmussen poll referenced was dated 2007. A year before, the Dems won control of Congress. A year later they won the Presidency.

“Birtherism” has no negative effects on the GOP whatsoever.

Norwegian on April 21, 2011 at 4:51 PM

Sorry for the “morons” name-calling.

Let me use “ill-informed”.

Oy vey, people!!

SteveMG on April 21, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Damned, 47%. As in almost half?

Embarassing doesn’t being to describe it.

I’d call them morons but, y’know, that’d be insulting morons.

SteveMG on April 21, 2011 at 4:48 PM

You’re friends and family won’t mind. They are probably used to it by now.

DiogenesLamp on April 21, 2011 at 4:52 PM

The rest? Good question, but mostly unrelated.

Count to 10 on April 21, 2011 at 4:51 PM

No it isn’t unrelated.

sharrukin on April 21, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Winning The Past!

Joe Mama on April 21, 2011 at 4:53 PM

If the MSM had any guts they would have a poll question that goes:

Should Obama release all of his records?

YES NO

Obama not coming clean hurts him more than it hurts the American people who want to see his actual records.

RedRobin145 on April 21, 2011 at 4:53 PM

That percentage is disheartening…. There’s probably something in human nature that makes people want to believe something — anything — that de-legitimizes the election of Presidents they don’t like. What was the percentage of Democrats who thought Bush “stole” Florida and the WH in 2000?

I disagree with Obama on almost everything, but I can tell you from personal experience that when you request your own birth certificate from Hawaii, what you get looks exactly like the one his campaign produed.

acasilaco on April 21, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Why is the question?

sharrukin on April 21, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Two possible answers:

A. There’s something damning on it.

B. There’s nothing damning on it, but the deprivation is eliciting the kind of reaction he can use politically.

MadisonConservative on April 21, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Please, liberal trolls, tell me what good reason is there NOT to release a long form birth certificate and your college records.

PastorJon on April 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Because he doesn’t have to. End of story. He can simply thumb his nose at all of you and laugh as you prove to everyone that you’ll chase any dumb idea so long as it involves putting the president in a negative light. Its just like Bush Derangement Syndrome.

ernesto on April 21, 2011 at 4:54 PM

For the record, I strongly suspect he was born in Vancouver Canada.

My Second guess would be Seattle Washington.

My third guess would be Honolulu Hawaii.

(Till some new information comes along to change that assessment.)

DiogenesLamp on April 21, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Well, considering that the elected democrats claim there is no entitlement or deficit problem, I think that is the party with the bigger and more embarresing idiots.

I’d prefer a voter believing Obama was born in another country b/c absolutely no evidence has been introduced to the contrary, then a voter who believes we can simply “tax the rich” into solving all our problems.

the true “child party” is the party that looks to gov’t to take care of it from cradle to grave – teh democrats.

Monkeytoe on April 21, 2011 at 4:54 PM

It would have been interesting if they had asked a follow-up question to that 47%: In that case, where do you think he was born? I find the idea that his very pregnant mother traveled to Kenya to deliver frankly outlandish.

I’m not sure I believe this, but if it’s true, it’s depressing and we all know who we can thank for it. It’s time for serious people (and I’m talking to you, Rush Limbaugh) to tell The Donald he’s fired.

I don’t think I want to see any more polls for a while. The results from the right on so many issues are even more unsettling of late than the typical baloney from the left (at least I know what to expect from them). Sadly, I’m at the point where I hold far too many of my fellow Americans in low esteem.

SukieTawdry on April 21, 2011 at 4:55 PM

I disagree with Obama on almost everything, but I can tell you from personal experience that when you request your own birth certificate from Hawaii, what you get looks exactly like the one his campaign produed.

acasilaco on April 21, 2011 at 4:54 PM

It does NOW.

DiogenesLamp on April 21, 2011 at 4:55 PM

I’m not embarrassed. We’re living in an empire of lies. Why not believe it?

rrpjr on April 21, 2011 at 4:55 PM

His citizenship is well established in context of his election the Illinois senate.

And you know this. . .how?

Emperor Norton on April 21, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Thank Gaia I’m not a Republican. Thank Gaia 1,000x that I’m not a demorat. 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000x that I’m not a liberal.

Bishop on April 21, 2011 at 4:55 PM

You’re friends and family won’t mind. They are probably used to it by now.

Nice cowardly comment from behind the safety of a keyboard.

Trash.

SteveMG on April 21, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Damned, 47%. As in almost half?
Embarassing doesn’t being to describe it.
I’d call them morons but, y’know, that’d be insulting morons.
SteveMG on April 21, 2011 at 4:48 PM

On what basis does anyone conclude that he was born in America? No one has any proof. No one. But I’ll give you that. He was born in HI. Fine.

Barak (not Barack) Obama II (not senior) was his father. Why the differing spelling, and why did his father declare that he is II instead of Sr?

Inquiring minds want to know.

What good reasons had Jr for using multiple SS#’s to rent apartments and offices?

You don’t care about these issues? Fine. He swore that he has never gone by an alias on fifty states’ candidacy applications, a lie. He won’t produce his transcripts or applications from college. Why?

None of these questions can be raised about any other US president, let alone all of them.

My gosh!

Akzed on April 21, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Two possible answers:

A. There’s something damning on it.

B. There’s nothing damning on it, but the deprivation is eliciting the kind of reaction he can use politically.

MadisonConservative on April 21, 2011 at 4:54 PM

The most damning thing on it is probably nothing.

I mean literally NOTHING. NOTHING AT ALL. (it doesn’t exist.) :)

DiogenesLamp on April 21, 2011 at 4:56 PM

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