NYT poll: 47% of Republicans think Obama was born in another country

posted at 4:18 pm on April 21, 2011 by Allahpundit

Embarrassing, especially since the question wasn’t confined to the usual narrow issue of birth-certificate minutiae. Respondents were asked, very broadly, “Was President Obama born in the U.S.?” I would have guessed that most Birthers would answer “don’t know” since that’s the crux of the issue, after all. Because The One won’t release his long-form, supposedly we’re left to wonder whether that official state Certification of Live Birth can really be trusted. In fact, that’s Trump’s position: He told “The View” a few weeks ago that he thinks Obama “was probably born in Hawaii” but that he just needs a litttttttle more convincing. As it turns out, though, only a small minority of Republicans polled chose the “don’t know” option whereas a near majority opted for a clear “nope.” What gives?

A plurality of Republican voters, 47 percent, said they believed Mr. Obama, who was born in Hawaii, was born in another country; 22 percent said they did not know where he was born, and 32 percent said they believed he was born in the United States.

While that might indicate that there is a receptive audience for the real estate mogul Donald J. Trump as he raises questions about Mr. Obama’s citizenship, the poll also pointed to potential roadblocks for him should he pursue a formal candidacy.

Mr. Trump has been getting considerable attention as a possibly strong contender, but just about as many Republicans view him favorably as view him unfavorably — 35 percent favorably and 32 percent unfavorably— and nearly 60 percent of Republicans interviewed said they did not believe he was a serious candidate. (Far more of all voters view him unfavorably — 46 percent — than view him favorably, 25 percent.)

These “surprisingly high percentage of conservatives believe XYZ about Obama” polls pop up sporadically, but I don’t think I’ve seen one yet that tries seriously to separate the various subsets of opinion that form that result. For instance, on the question of whether he was born in the U.S., you’ve likely got a bunch of different groups coming together in the “no” column. First, of course, there are the hardcore Birthers who are convinced that he was born in Kenya and that we’re all the victims of a horrible ruse. Then you’ve got the softcore Birthers like Trump who aren’t sure where he was born but have enough doubts over the birth certificate that they’re willing to say “no” when asked if he was born here. Then you’ve got the people who don’t follow politics generally or the Birther issue specifically but have picked up enough tidbits of Obama’s biography along the way to draw the conclusion that he was born elsewhere. They know his dad was from Kenya, they knew he grew up in Indonesia, so they conclude that he probably didn’t arrive in the U.S. until later. Remember when Huckabee misspoke and confused those two countries when referencing Obama’s bio?

Finally, you’ve got garden-variety low-information voters/idiots who not only don’t know where Obama was born, they may not even know that a natural-born requirement exists in the Constitution. According to another recent poll, only 49 percent of Republicans and 33 percent of Democrats(!) are aware that the GOP now controls the House. If not even half the party knows that, it’s no stretch to think that some chunk hasn’t a clue about the controversy over The One’s origins and is deducing the “answer” from the pollster’s interest in posing the question. (I.e. “If they’re going to the trouble of asking me where Obama was born, the answer probably can’t be as simple as ‘the U.S.’”) I don’t know what the relative percentages are for all these subgroups — it may well be that hardcore Birthers are a heavy majority and low-information idiots a tiny sliver — but it’d be worth finding out before drawing grand lessons about what the base believes. As it is, I recommend re-reading this post by Greenroomer Karl from last August, when yet another poll about Birtherism had hands a-wringing. Is Obama a natural-born citizen — or is he a werewolf?

Via Politico, here’s Trump expressing annoyance about being quizzed on Birtherism after having spent a month almost singlehandedly mainstreaming it. Exit quotation from a man who now says he only wants to talk about the real issues: “We’re looking into it very, very strongly. At a certain point in time I’ll be revealing some interesting things.”


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Jindal has no love lost for 0bama. 0bama has screwed Jindal and the state of Louisiana over since he took office. Folks don’t seem to realize how the Permitorium has gut-shot the Louisiana economy, and Jindal’s own efforts to balance his budget….

cane_loader on April 21, 2011 at 6:50 PM

For instance, on the question of whether he was born in the U.S., you’ve likely got a bunch of different groups coming together in the “no” column. First, of course, there are the hardcore Birthers who are convinced that he was born in Kenya and that we’re all the victims of a horrible ruse. Then you’ve got the softcore Birthers like Trump who aren’t sure where he was born but have enough doubts over the birth certificate that they’re willing to say “no” when asked if he was born here. Then you’ve got the people who don’t follow politics generally or the Birther issue specifically but have picked up enough tidbits of Obama’s biography along the way to draw the conclusion that he was born elsewhere. They know his dad was from Kenya, they knew he grew up in Indonesia, so they conclude that he probably didn’t arrive in the U.S. until later. Remember when Huckabee misspoke and confused those two countries when referencing Obama’s bio?

Finally, you’ve got garden-variety low-information voters/idiots who not only don’t know where Obama was born, they may not even know that a natural-born requirement exists in the Constitution.

And yet, all these people get lumped into “Birthers” and called conspiracy theory nut jobs. Funny how that works.

tom on April 21, 2011 at 6:54 PM

I’d like to see them do an open-ended version of this poll. The problem with this type of “gotcha” polling is that you don’t really know why the person answered the way they did, or if they simply did so due to your question suggesting a certain answer.

As was pointed out, when a pollster calls you up and asks you whether Obama was born in the USA, some people will be misled into believing that it’s a trick question of some sort, and therefore answer what they think the answer should be, rather than from their own belief or knowledge.

I’d be fun to ask the same question, but instead of Obama, ask people whether McCain was born in the US. McCain was technically born on US territory, but he was obviously not born in the country. So how would people answer that, and why?

If someone asked me whether McCain was born in the US, I would say no, because he was born in Panama. However, I think that the majority of people would say yes, either unaware of his actual birthplace, or ignoring the technicality of country vs. territory.

In any case, the media is just having a field day with these polls because they can easily and instantly make the GOP look bad, without really getting to the bottom of why people are answering the way that they do, or whether their method of asking them is giving misleading results.

Seixon on April 21, 2011 at 6:54 PM

These disloyal criminal birthers are going to drive us all nuts! This whole matter has already been put to rest! Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod have both given their highest personal assurance that they have seen the Divine One’s actual long form Certification of Live Immaculate Conception and in Holy Script! Rahm Emanuel saw it from one hospital and David Axelrod saw it from another one! Twice the absolute incontrovertible proof! I don’t know what more any sane person could possibly want! Besides the Queen of Hearts says that she thinks he has cute ears and looks so sexy in his mom jeans so that would settle the matter right there anyway.

Members of the jury, loyal Hotair Sheeple and the honorable Mr. A. Pundit, the prisoners at the bar, one Terry Lakin, and various other assorted and sundry miscreant John Does, who all have bench warrants outstanding, all stand accused of engaging in a vile and mass conspiracy of trying to goad Barack Hussein Obama, our Dear Leader with the Certification of Live Immaculate Conception from no less than two locations, and at lest two parents of unquestionable American loyalties and citizenship, into a game of COLB, thereby and with malice of forethought, molesting, tormenting, and otherwise annoying our beloved Dear Leader, his wonderful wife Michelle Antoinette, and all their loyal subjects. Verdict first, evidence later. Off with their heads!

Cheshire Cat on April 21, 2011 at 6:56 PM

Blink- you are wrong. Abercrombie said he could not find the Birth Certificate. Like the other commenter remarked upthread- he said that he did find something in writing but could not release it. You remember wrong.

sartana on April 21, 2011 at 6:57 PM

LOL ‘Conservative bloggers obsessed with Birtherism post umpteen thousandth blog about Obama’s birth certificate issue, keeping the whole meme alive long past its due date and then wonder why so many consrevatives doubt Obama was born in the U.S. Then in classic reverse logic fashion the bloggers assume conservatives are yahoos obsessed with Obama’s bc’

JimP on April 21, 2011 at 6:57 PM

…Conservative bloggers obsessed with Birtherism…

Hey, dummy. It’s obvious you’re not a Conservative or even on the Right as you have no idea how the free market works. Blogs like Hot Air operate for profit on web-based advertising. The more views they get, the more their advertising revenue increases. This means that they don’t post much on stories in which the public has little interest. Hence, they post often on Birther issues as that there is already much interest in this. You have it exactly backwards, you moron. Now step away from the keyboard and go take a nap.

sartana on April 21, 2011 at 7:06 PM

What’s embarrassing is grown men acting like junior high school girls wanting to be cool and liked by everybody when the birther issue comes up. Either that, or they become the all-seeing , all-knowing eye of the sage Sauron from the Tolkien novels. We have honestly become a horribly PC nation of wimps and know-it-alls who wither and rile before the rare and unique Alphaness of The Trump.

And yes, it’s hysterical watching the Lib media hiss and swipe at The Trump with their kitty paws. Amazing you get that entertainment for free. Yeah, speaking freely and openly with no care at whom you are ‘offending’ has become a great American pasttime.

RepubChica on April 21, 2011 at 7:14 PM

sartana on April 21, 2011 at 7:06 PM

LOL. My, my. Aren’t we hostile. Obvious I’m not conservative? Because it’s all free market driven maximize web hits etc? I see you have a logic problem yourself. Reread my comment. If you still don’t get it and think I am a lefty, take your thorazine and call your therapist in the morning.

JimP on April 21, 2011 at 7:21 PM

America WAS another country then.

ronsfi on April 21, 2011 at 7:27 PM

The amount of disinformation and lies spouted by birthers in this thread alone is staggering. I used to think birthers were just misguided, but based on what I am reading here I think there might be something mentally unbalanced with them. They repeat nonsense over and over than can easily be disproven in a few seconds of googling.

AngusMc on April 21, 2011 at 6:39 PM

Asking for the long form birth certificate is NOT disinformation!!

Mcguyver on April 21, 2011 at 7:29 PM

It’s not embarassing at all……..duh, he’s covered up everything about his past.

Even Tom Brokaw and his Charlie Rose admitted they didn’t know “much” about Obama Palpatine.

Maybe Republicans are trying to figure out someone like Obama Palpatine can be so ANTI-AMERICAN?

Republicans want to know if we have a SITH LORD in the White House.

:-)

PappyD61 on April 21, 2011 at 7:30 PM

The “genealogical record” designation is probably how they maintain compliance with the law, and also how they hope to keep people from finding out that they must release a copy.

If you want the statute number, I posted it over in this thread several times.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/18/jan-brewer-vetoes-arizonas-birther-bill/

DiogenesLamp on April 21, 2011 at 5:28 PM

What possibly could be the reasons for Hawaii doing this, other than assisting in a conspiracy? How is copying the original document with a copy machine any simpler than manually transcribing excerpts from the original, inputting them into a computer, and printing off a filled-in form?

This just makes no sense.

slickwillie2001 on April 21, 2011 at 7:31 PM

Hey, DumDum. Go read your initial comment and then reread mine. Then go sit on a rusty nail. The reason Hot Air gives space to the Birther issue is because the public has great interest in it. Dummy.

sartana on April 21, 2011 at 7:32 PM

FTA: “These “surprisingly high percentage of conservatives believe XYZ about Obama” polls pop up sporadically, but I don’t think I’ve seen one yet that tries seriously to separate the various subsets of opinion that form that result.”

Maybe if you know someone that could do a poll on a popular blog you might get more information.

slickwillie2001 on April 21, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Second, what information is contained on the long form that MIGHT be embarrassing to Obama? The listed occupation of his father? The listed occupation of his mother? What would he be hiding?

blink on April 21, 2011 at 6:06 PM

A thousand possibilities. Perhaps Frank is his father, perhaps Malcolm X, perhaps his sex at birth was ambiguous which happens more than people think, perhaps father is ‘unknown’. Perhaps the baby’s race is listed as Mulatto, a term used in the sixties. The possibilities could fill several threads.

BTW, if father is ‘unknown’, what does that mean to the NBC determination? That’s a likely point to be edited out in subsequent COLB copies.

slickwillie2001 on April 21, 2011 at 7:41 PM

What percentage of that 47% give a crap at this point? The joke has been played. You can’t un-play it now.

watson007 on April 21, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Worse than this? – HotAir: “Zogby poll: 42% of Democrats think Bush either caused 9/11 or let it happen”

Django on April 21, 2011 at 8:03 PM

sartana on April 21, 2011 at 7:32 PM

ROTFL. You still don’t get my comment. You are waaay off base in your ‘interpretation’.

JimP on April 21, 2011 at 8:09 PM

JimP- I don’t see how, but if I’ve misinterpreted your comment then I withdraw the reference to the rusty nail. But only provisionally…

sartana on April 21, 2011 at 8:22 PM

blink on April 21, 2011 at 8:38 PM

You have yet to come up with a single rational reason as to why he doesn’t release the birth certificate. Obama claimed in his book that he had the thing.

Why not release it?

sharrukin on April 21, 2011 at 8:41 PM

Just a couple of points. I don’t believe you can change your birth certificate. As far as someway saying he had a Muslim name, what could be more Muslim than Barack Hussein Obama? Secondly, being adopted, doesn’t change your birth certificate, although it could get it sealed and only opened under special circumstances. Finally, President Obama could request his long form birth certificate and get it. He could also authorize release of his grade transcripts and it would be done.

Finally, if 47% of Republicans believe he was born someplace else, 53% believe he was born here. I completely agree with those who say the MSM has been very selective about who has a problem, look at all the Democrats who thought George Bush blew up the World Trade Center, or knew about it before hand. Talk about nuts!!! If Obama released his long form birth certificate, I’d bet the Republican numbers would go up to 60% believing and 40% saying it took them 4 years to come up with a good counterfeit.

bflat879 on April 21, 2011 at 8:47 PM

I would have guessed that most Birthers would answer “don’t know” since that’s the crux of the issue, after all.

That’s charitable. Birthers believe that several state officials in Hawaii conspired to produce a phony birth certificate for Obama. I don’t think they believe Hawaii would do that for any reason besides to hide his true birthplace.

RightOFLeft on April 21, 2011 at 8:47 PM

Eh, let’s just call it even steven. He was born in Hawaii.

He was conceived into being in a Commie Heaven to a Marxist Revolutionary who dug the Black Panthers, Frank Marshall Davis and Malcolm X. She was. Like, so… cooooool. She was radical but sexy! Now although Obama and Eric Holder’s “people” swear that he was sired by Malcolm X, we’ll just assume (because the MSM will make an ass out of U and Me if we don’t ‘believe’)…. Regular idiots like the restofus must believe that everything’s true.

So, since the MSM said I should believe it’s true, it has become truth to me. And to you, you just don’t know that you believe it yet. But, you will. You will believe.

Please be rest assured, Obama is a pro-American, pro-Business, pro-Growth, pro-Oil Independence America loving Patriot.

/That’s what I believe. Now, pass me them coco puffs. They’re free. I got ‘em on the food stamps.

Key West Reader on April 21, 2011 at 9:11 PM

I.e. “If they’re going to the trouble of asking me where Obama was born, the answer probably can’t be as simple as ‘the U.S.’

As long as the Prez spends millions to keep the issue alive, the public will assume he is hiding something, and they will fill in the blanks

However, there are only two possible explanations

1. Birthers are right, but the DEMs figured no one would challenge a black Presidential candidate and risk eternal hate from the black community, not to mention riots

2. There is something else Obama needed to hide, and they decided to use a diversion, a bait and switch, to keep the snoops on the wrong trail. In that case, expect a Friday night massacre before the polls as a weeping Obama finally reveals he has a valid certificate, but was embarrassed by the word ‘illegitimate’ or a different daddy, whatever

That will fill the airwaves and the View with psychobabble and there will be a backlash against his opponent

Obama has a problem with relatives in Africa, a lack of babyhood photos, and a bunch of stories that dont jive about his childhood. Assume a strategy was formed long ago to obfuscate

Missing from the equation: honesty, and reverence for the system which is meant to serve the people

Nothing would make Open Society Soros happier than to see his puppy take a nation without meeting the requirements. That would be the ultimate diss

entagor on April 21, 2011 at 9:16 PM

sartana on April 21, 2011 at 8:22 PM

I took JimP’s comment to be making fun of AllahP more than anything. AllahP, who knows this story has legs, wants to feign surprise when this issue polls at 47%. AllahP is shocked, shocked by this. Bujt I could be entirely wrong and misinterpreting it myself.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on April 21, 2011 at 9:23 PM

followed the story very closely at the time, and this is NOT what he said. He said that he saw the document, but that he couldn’t release it without Obama’s permission.

blink on April 21, 2011 at 6:40 PM

“Unclear” hardly means that the didn’t find a long form.

blink on April 21, 2011 at 8:38 PM

“Unclear” hardly means that “he saw the document but that he couldn’t release it without Obama’s permission”, which is what you claimed.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on April 21, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Trying to paint his enemies as crazy is a perfectly rational reason to not release his birth certificate.

blink on April 21, 2011 at 9:23 PM

No it isn’t.

He calls into question his own legitimacy and he is falling in the polls. Trump is using the issue to do real damage and you seriously believe this is what Obama wants? You think Obama and Hillary cooked this up back in 2007 to fool those conservatives and the nasty primary battle was all for show?

sharrukin on April 21, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Mr. Obama keeps this issue alive. Qui bono? I’m guessing it’s the old rope a dope misdirection for an eligibility problem that is in plain sight. Want to guess?

Mason on April 21, 2011 at 9:31 PM

No, I don’t think they invented it. But I think Obama is happy to let it fester.

blink on April 21, 2011 at 9:37 PM

Then we are right back to the question as to why he didn’t release it aren’t we? You little conspiracy theory is absurd.

In any case basic logic seems beyond you so I am out.

sharrukin on April 21, 2011 at 9:40 PM

Let’s not forget…..

…….Palpatine rose from the Senate to become Chancellor of the Republic….and we know how that all turned out.

PappyD61 on April 21, 2011 at 9:44 PM

This Hawaiian long form was obtained in March 2011.
mrsmwp on April 21, 2011 at 5:27 PM

It looked like this on March 17th.

It now looks like this as of April 7th.

Miki Booth has some explaining to do.

rukiddingme on April 21, 2011 at 9:58 PM

Miki Booth has some explaining to do.

No, not at all. It’s the same document. One is cropped, and in black and white.

Emperor Norton on April 21, 2011 at 10:06 PM

“Was President Obama born in the U.S.?”…

A plurality of Republican voters, 47 percent, said they believed Mr. Obama, who was born in Hawaii, was born in another country…

Their analysis does not necessarily follow from their question. Just because someone thinks that Obama was not born in the US does not necessarily mean that they believe that he was born in another country.

For example, according to Obama’s certificate of live birth he was born in 1961 in Hawai’i. Hawai’i became a state only two years earlier! If he was two years older, he wouldn’t have been in the US, but in a US territory. Perhaps some of these people don’t know what year Obama was born, question his age, or don’t know what year Hawai’i became a state?

besser tot als rot on April 21, 2011 at 10:14 PM

The White House is terrified of this issue. However, I think they have realized that the media will continue to bury this and it is also becoming more apparent that this has the possibility to divide Republicans. As the Repubics go to extra efforts to marginalize Birthers at the same time that Birthers remain steadfast and more people become aware of the importance of the issue and sign on to the Birther cause, this could mean trouble for 2012. The more the GOP ignores this issue the more I become fed up with that party and want less to do with them- the chances are increasing that I will not vote for a GOP candidate for president in 2012 as I’m just that disgusted to see candidates incapable or unwilling to simply to take the correct stand and acknowledge the concerns of a large part of the electorate. It’s the easiest thing in the world but they just can’t manage it and then cry tears into their soggy waffles when Trump comes along and grabs the gold ring that’s been hanging right there all along.

As far as the White House manufacturing this issue to discredit Conservatives- that’s plain stupid. Talk about conspiracy theories! When Ogama’s crew tries to capitalize on something, they are blatantly obvious about it- they are not very adept at hiding their hand. If they were using this as a tactic they would be spouting off about it constantly as they demonstrably haven’t for the past three years. On only a handful of occasions has Obama or one of his minions raised themselves this issue. But I think they will be raising it more now that they see it is dividing the Right.

If you think Obama/Axelrod et al. would fabricate the Birth Certificate controversy as a tactic, then you’re the conspiracy nut.

sartana on April 21, 2011 at 10:16 PM

“Let Me See”

Key West Reader on April 21, 2011 at 10:20 PM

If you think Obama/Axelrod et al. would fabricate the Birth Certificate controversy as a tactic, then you’re the conspiracy nut.

sartana on April 21, 2011 at 10:16 PM

You appear to be constipated with talking points.

Let’s see his oollege applications and records. Did he do the Bill Clinton collective service?

No?

O.= Oh.

Why not?

Key West Reader on April 21, 2011 at 10:23 PM

Will someone give me a logical reason why Scooter and his backers would spend millions to hide his birth certificate, medical records, and school transcripts if there was nothing there?

The answer “Just to jerk us around” would be a very expensive joke.

kingsjester on April 21, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Shazzbot

sartana on April 21, 2011 at 10:32 PM

Let’s just face it. Ba-rock hussen obama has no record.

We should just. ya know. Move On.

Dot Org.

Hey, Barack! You rose from the ocean in a photo op, you calmed the sea through your shakedown on BP. You are awesome. I have no questions.

Doh! Media scubbed.

Oh, well. We will have to suffice Victims of the White Man

Sound and look familiar?

Key West Reader on April 21, 2011 at 10:33 PM

Will someone give me a logical reason why Scooter and his backers would spend millions to hide his birth certificate, medical records, and school transcripts if there was nothing there?

The answer “Just to jerk us around” would be a very expensive joke.

kingsjester on April 21, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Because Jackholes keep filing frivolous lawsuit compelling him to release a document that he can’t get. And where is this “millions” number coming from. Oh yeah, World Net Daily.

Magnus on April 21, 2011 at 10:34 PM

Barack’s Father.

Key West Reader on April 21, 2011 at 10:34 PM

No, not at all. It’s the same document. One is cropped, and in black and white.
Emperor Norton on April 21, 2011 at 10:06 PM

Box 22. Line above ‘Residence’ blacked out in March 17th document, clearly visible in April 7th document.

Box 22. ‘Residence’ partially blacked out in March 17th document, clearly visible in April 7th document.

Box 27. Line above and the the left of ‘State’ blacked out in March 17th document, clearly visible in April 7th document.

Box 28. Line above ‘Father First Name’ is blacked out in March 7th document, clearly visible in April 7th document.

Box 28. ‘Father First Name’ is partially blacked out in March 7th document, clearly visible in April 7th document.

Miki Booth has some explaining to do.

rukiddingme on April 21, 2011 at 11:04 PM

Box 28. Line above ‘Father First Name’ is blacked out in March 17th document, clearly visible in April 7th document.

Box 28. ‘Father First Name’ is partially blacked out in March 17th document, clearly visible in April 7th document.

Miki Booth has some explaining to do.

rukiddingme on April 21, 2011 at 11:04 PM

Fixed.

rukiddingme on April 21, 2011 at 11:06 PM

We don’t really know WTH this man was doing throughout most of his life. Why would his birth be any less mysterious?

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 21, 2011 at 11:27 PM

If you think Obama/Axelrod et al. would fabricate the Birth Certificate controversy as a tactic, then you’re the conspiracy nut. (Emphasis added.)

sartana on April 21, 2011 at 10:16 PM

The left consistently projects its own failings and beliefs onto conservatives. Whatever their talking points may be, reality is reliably the exact opposite; e.g.:

The left calls us racists; theirs is the keep ‘em on the plantation philosophy destined Not to help minorities, but instead to only cultivate them as voting blocks.

The left calls us uncivil; their own depravity knows no bounds.

The left calls us dangerous, militia types; they are the thugs.

The left calls us crazy birthers; they are the ones who twist common sense and respect for our Constitution and rule of law into something unrecognizable. They are petrified that their crazy, destructive marxist leader will be outed and their entire, crazy house of cards will crash and burn. The closer we get to the truth on all fronts, the more shrill they become. And as they conspire to protect their crazy failures, they call us the conspirators.

When several states require eligibility requirements be met in order to get on the ballot, expect the rhetoric to become even more unhinged. If that is even possible. .

Those of us who insist on learning the truth will prevail. One way or the other, we will fully expose Emperor Zero.

Meanwhile, I’ve found their projections to be quite enlightening in determining what they actually feel. Their fear on this issue is palpable. The trolls are out in force. Their lies are flying fast and furious. I consider them to be merely addressing themselves in their sad little mirrors.

Be of good cheer I say, verifiers. Target/flak,etc.

Opinionator on April 21, 2011 at 11:29 PM

Miki Booth has some explaining to do.

No. it’s the same document, with different redactions, and one cropped and passed through a photocopy machine.

Barack Obama is the one who’s got some explaining to do. Where is Obama’s long form birth certificate? With or without redactions? He is the person reputed to be the President; Miki Booth is not.

So I take it your job is to Alinsky Miki Booth’s birth certificate? You’re almost as bad as the “Trig truthers.”

Emperor Norton on April 21, 2011 at 11:32 PM

He is the person reputed to be the President;

Emperor Norton on April 21, 2011 at 11:32 PM

Excellent choice of words.

Opinionator on April 21, 2011 at 11:37 PM

If this Birther nonsense wasn’t so sad it’d be pathetic. and if it weren’t so pathetic it might be funny.

Opinionnation on April 21, 2011 at 11:52 PM

blink on April 21, 2011 at 11:57 PM

You are so out of the loop that it’s giving me a headache. You said you followed the Abercrombie story “closly” but you’ve obviously not followed “birthers” concerns at all. sharrukin will be by with many links, as usual I’m sure. Hope you read them so that you are better informed.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on April 22, 2011 at 12:03 AM

No. it’s the same document, with different redactions, and one cropped and passed through a photocopy machine.

The document was available March 17th, two days after it was allegedly stamped. There was no mention of its’ significance on March 17th. It was simply listed as an example from 1995.

There is no further mention of the document for 21 days, the document has black out removed in some places, black out added in others, and then appears on April 7th. It is further used as evidence to assert that Hawaii, and specifically Joshua Wisch is lying on April 10th.

Miki Booth has some explaining to do

Barack Obama is the one who’s got some explaining to do. Where is Obama’s long form birth certificate? With or without redactions?

Hawaii has it.

He is the person reputed to be the President; Miki Booth is not.

Miki Booth is claiming Joshua Wisch and Dr. Fukino are lying.

So I take it your job is to Alinsky Miki Booth’s birth certificate? You’re almost as bad as the “Trig truthers.”
Emperor Norton on April 21, 2011 at 11:32 PM

That’s a mighty fine ad hominem you have there. You may keep it.

rukiddingme on April 22, 2011 at 12:06 AM

What? Too young to confer citizenship? Did you just make that up?

blink on April 21, 2011 at 11:57 PM

Understand this is based on the postulate that he was born outside the United States as you were asking what reason a newspaper clipping would exist. This is one possible reason.

No one knows anything for certain until we see the documents.

Sec. 301 (a) of the The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (Walter-McCarran Act)

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years

People can debate the meaning of the term “natural-born citizen” as long as they like but this is clear: If, in 1961, 17 year old Ann Dunham gave birth to a child on foreign soil whose father was not an American citizen, then the Immigration and Nationality Act at that time denied Barack Obama any right to American citizenship of any kind.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/clearing-the-smoke-on-obamas-eligibility-updated/

sharrukin on April 22, 2011 at 12:24 AM

Will someone give me a logical reason why Scooter and his backers would spend millions to hide his birth certificate, medical records, and school transcripts if there was nothing there?

No one has been able to prove that he has, kingsjester.

The assertion is he has spent millions with Perkins Coie, Perkins Coie defended him on three birther cases. All the money given to Perkins Coie was been spent ‘hiding’ his records.

It seems to have started here. If you go down the article, it states McCain spent 1.6 million with his attorney’s over a similar time frame. Was he hiding something?

The answer “Just to jerk us around” would be a very expensive joke.
kingsjester on April 21, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Indeed.

rukiddingme on April 22, 2011 at 12:29 AM

No one has been able to prove that he has, kingsjester.

The assertion is he has spent millions with Perkins Coie. Perkins Coie defended him on three birther cases. All the money given to Perkins Coie has been spent ‘hiding’ his records.

Fixed.

rukiddingme on April 22, 2011 at 12:30 AM

Blink

I looked up the blog entries from Jan that originally reported the Abercrombie story and I would be more correct to say that Abercrombie “tacitly admitted” that he could not find the Birth Certificate.

Remember, Abercrombie made himself famous by announcing that, once Governor, he would release Obama’s BC and end the controversy. For weeks after being elected he remained silent on the issue and only spoke on it when questioned by an interviewer. These are his very words when asked about Obama’s Birth Certificate:

“It was actually written, I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down,”

Interpretation: There is no Birth Certificate.

Now Abercrombie is hidng behind public disclosure laws, as if the idiot didn’t know about that before he opened his mouth. Remember also, the Hawaii State employee with access to those type of records who reported that he searched for it but could not find it.

Whatever one’s opinion on this matter, it is undeniable that something is being hidden and this needs to be uncovered.
Here is the I went back to at View From The Right with discussion and links to the original story by Corsi at WND:

http://tinyurl.com/4487829

sartana on April 22, 2011 at 12:56 AM

Barack Obama is the one who’s got some explaining to do. Where is Obama’s long form birth certificate? With or without redactions?

Hawaii has it.

The Governor says he can’t find it. He said they have a “recording.” That was Abercrombie’s exact word.

Your sloppy examination of the Booth certificate is truly morbid. Looking carefully the Booth certificate is something you should have done with the Obama Certification of Live Birth. Your boy Obama is the one whose eligibility matters. The Booth certificate is just your little red herring. You are an Obama apologist of the worst kind.

Emperor Norton on April 22, 2011 at 1:02 AM

The Trump needs to keep hammering this. I’ll take this and any other issue that drags “the won” down and out come 2012.

I think he is hiding something, but the fact of the matter is even if the fool was born in Russia the courts have ruled once elected and sworn in there is nothing you can do but impeach.

Death of a thousand cuts works if need be.

gdonovan on April 22, 2011 at 1:26 AM

These disloyal criminal birthers are going to drive us all nuts! This whole matter has already been put to rest! Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod have both given their highest personal assurance that they have seen the Divine One’s actual long form Certification of Live Immaculate Conception and in Holy Script! Rahm Emanuel saw it from one hospital and David Axelrod saw it from another one! Twice the absolute incontrovertible proof! I don’t know what more any sane person could possibly want! Besides the Queen of Hearts says that she thinks he has cute ears and looks so sexy in his mom jeans so that would settle the matter right there anyway.

Members of the jury, loyal Hotair Sheeple and the honorable Mr. A. Pundit, the prisoners at the bar, one Terry Lakin, and various other assorted and sundry miscreant John Does, who all have bench warrants outstanding, all stand accused of engaging in a vile and mass conspiracy of trying to goad Barack Hussein Obama, our Dear Leader with the Certification of Live Immaculate Conception from no less than two locations, and at lest two parents of unquestionable American loyalties and citizenship, into a game of COLB, thereby and with malice of forethought, molesting, tormenting, and otherwise annoying our beloved Dear Leader, his wonderful wife Michelle Antoinette, and all their loyal subjects. Verdict first, evidence later. Off with their heads!

Cheshire Cat on April 21, 2011 at 6:56 PM

LOL

That was priceless.

Thanks for that.

Elisa on April 22, 2011 at 1:30 AM

There is only ONE person responsible for this issue going on for so long.

Because Obama is the ONLY person who could settle it.

Most likely he was born in Hawaii. But he is definately either hiding something embarassing or untruthful OR he is simply so arrogant that no one is going to tell him what he has to do and peasants don’t order the king around.

Either way, I say push the issue till he has to show it, if it exists.

Who does he think he is? I think he really does believe he is the anointed one and we should all just be grateful he exists.

After all, does GOD have a birth certificate?

Elisa on April 22, 2011 at 1:34 AM

Emperor Norton on April 22, 2011 at 1:02 AM

Yes, “recording” and “birth record” (Fukina) seem to be the go to descriptions with regard to whatever may be on file in Hawaii. Anything but a long form birth certificate seems to be available.

We have a COLB, disputed in authenticity, with nothing to back it up. And we have “written notations” with nothing to back them up.

We have a lot of questions, too.

Opinionator on April 22, 2011 at 1:39 AM

I hope that he wasn’t born in the U.S. and is guilty of willfully committing one of the biggest scams of all time- and that, as a result, he and his co-conspirator, Big Moochelle, spend some quality time together in prison.

Or that his original name was Alice.

Either works for me.

justltl on April 22, 2011 at 2:34 AM

This sort of stuff wouldn’t happen if he were forthcoming with details and documents on stuff like his college records and writings. When you refuse to answer reasonable questions, people begin to wonder what you’re hiding.

However, if there were any real doubts about his place of birth, Stanley Kurtz would probably have written about it by now.

Furthermore, even if proof were to surface at this late date, I doubt that any court would be willing to throw things into chaos by declaring the office vacant. Besides, if that were to happen, do we really want Joe Biden to replace him?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof and not the kind of bilge Trump has been spouting. If he swears before the appropriate filing officials that he was born in the U.S., you’d have to prove that he knowingly lied about it, and if that could be done, he probably couldn’t be charged with anything until he was out of office. At this point the burden of proof is on the birthers and they only look like idiots to keep raising suspicions without having rock solid, incontrovertible proof. Until that proof is forthcoming, the birthers are just cranks and nuts.

flataffect on April 22, 2011 at 3:50 AM

I haven’t seen any evidence that Obama was born in another country but the way WND has carried on about it makes me think that they’ve been sitting on some proof. You’d really look like an ass if you put up a bunch of “where’s the birth certificate” billboards and then Obama produces his birth certificate. You do something like that when you are holding a pat hand.

Buddahpundit on April 22, 2011 at 4:30 AM

Occam’s razor people! What’s supposed to be in the file is NOT what is in the file. Instead of there being a simple long form BC in the file, that is not what is there. This is what Obama is trying to hide. There is supposed to be 36 pieces of information on a Hawaii BC, none of them have to do with religion, or political affilliation. If people find out what is in the file is not what is expected to be there than there willbe MORE questions about other parts of his life. To release his BC at this late date is too little too late, the issue is BEYOND CRITICAL MASS. This issue is in JFK assasination conspiracy theory teritory now. The distrust of Obama will only GROW, he had the chance to diffuse the issue, and he did nothing to diffuse it. I believe the media have been making up talking points for each other about the BC. People’s distrust of Obama is only going to grow, incidents of Obama supporters protesting him are going to INCREASE.

bigmike on April 22, 2011 at 4:39 AM

At this point the burden of proof is on the birthers and they only look like idiots to keep raising suspicions without having rock solid, incontrovertible proof. Until that proof is forthcoming, the birthers are just cranks and nuts.

flataffect on April 22, 2011 at 3:50 AM

No, m’dear, you’re wrong. The burden is on Zero to prove he is eligible to be the POTUS.

YOU’RE the cranks and nuts until YOU PROVE you and your marxist “leader” is even an American to begin with.

Opinionator on April 22, 2011 at 4:51 AM

flataffect on April 22, 2011 at 3:50 AM

You are the crank, nut, and Soros shill. Hope your $10 paid your mama for your basement rent.

Opinionator on April 22, 2011 at 4:55 AM

All Obama knows is double down, with that strategy you eventually wind up with “no chips left at all”. look at his solution to high gas prices, “I’m going to investigate the big oil companies”. Personally, i’m waiting for one of HIS supporters to throw his shoes on live tv. That will look awesome on youtube.

bigmike on April 22, 2011 at 5:09 AM

Just about everything this guy has ever said turns out to be flat out lies. But we’ll take his word on this one.

shanimal on April 22, 2011 at 6:04 AM

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing their idiot….

I would like to reeducate Kiran Chetry….

adamsmith on April 22, 2011 at 6:58 AM

From a link at Doug Ross’ this morning-
or the tiny url:
supposedly this is Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate

publicserf on April 22, 2011 at 12:49 PM

Is this the GOP equivalent of the poll showing some 40% of Dems were Truthers and thought Bush did 9/11?

jp on April 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Yes, but that actually reflects pretty well on us. Every large group on this country contains a healthy percentage of really dumb people. It’s almost a tautology, like the shocking fact that as much as 50% of people are below average.

The left’s dumbest people believe in a conspiracy to murder thousands of people that common sense says is impossible to pull off. But much more importantly, it is so nutty that it can be dismissed out of hand with no knowledge whatsoever about anything.

Birtherism, on the other hand, requires some knowledge, or at least some thought, to reject, as Allah has pointed out. If I didn’t follow politics, and didn’t remember the constitutional citizenship requirement, I’d probably assume he was born somewhere else too. And I wouldn’t care, not knowing it was illegal.

Also, if I didn’t spend much time thinking about it, a cover-up wouldn’t seem so ridiculous, since I’d assume it just meant bribing a handful of low-level state employees.

In short, trutherism and birtherism are their and our respective stupidest ideas, and theirs is crushing ours in the stupidity contest.

RINO in Name Only on April 22, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Whether or not he was born in the USA he was not raised here and is not an American. His attitudes show this all too clearly. Illegal aliens born here and raised here are probably more pro-American on the whole than he is. He seems to actively hate this nation.

{^_^}

herself on April 22, 2011 at 3:59 PM

From a link at Doug Ross’ this morning-
or the tiny url:
supposedly this is Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate

publicserf on April 22, 2011 at 12:49 PM

I don’t know about the Second Version, but the First version is absolutely fake and bogus. It has been thoroughly debunked as a hoax.

I would put no faith in any document purported to be from Kenya, or any computer print-out from Hawaii either. :)

DiogenesLamp on April 22, 2011 at 4:14 PM

In short, trutherism and birtherism are their and our respective stupidest ideas, and theirs is crushing ours in the stupidity contest.

RINO in Name Only on April 22, 2011 at 2:55 PM

I would say that dismissing a plausible idea without having thought it through is one of our stupidest ideas.

I think there is a there there. Obama’s behavior reinforces this notion.

DiogenesLamp on April 22, 2011 at 4:18 PM

I really sympathize with the so called “birthers”, but even if it comes out that Barry Antoinette Obomba’s presidency is illegitimate, does anyone really think he’ll be removed from office? I don’t feel like that kind of integrity/accountability exists in the federal government anymore, at least not in great enough quantities.

SG1_Conservative on April 22, 2011 at 5:44 PM

O/T: Hotair could we please stop with the ads with sound? They’re driving me crazy!

SG1_Conservative on April 22, 2011 at 5:45 PM

I really sympathize with the so called “birthers”, but even if it comes out that Barry Antoinette Obomba’s presidency is illegitimate, does anyone really think he’ll be removed from office? I don’t feel like that kind of integrity/accountability exists in the federal government anymore, at least not in great enough quantities.

SG1_Conservative on April 22, 2011 at 5:44 PM

I think there is a possibility that he will be placed in prison. If he is not it will be because of the mercy (and fear of riots) of the court.

DiogenesLamp on April 22, 2011 at 5:54 PM

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