Marist: Obama drops underwater on Libya intervention

posted at 3:35 pm on April 21, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Well, don’t think of it as Barack Obama’s approval on Libya dropping underwater — think of it as a stalemateMarist released more data from its latest survey on Obama’s performance, and the news on Libya looks bleak as approval of his performance dropped to 44%, with 46% disapproving.  Interestingly, liberals that protested the Bush war in Iraq seem most supportive of the Obama intervention in Libya:

Registered voters nationally divide.  46% disapprove, 44% approve, and one in ten — 10% — are unsure.

“President Obama is walking a fine line on U.S. involvement in Libya,” says Dr. Lee M. Miringoff, Director of the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion. “In the short run, he has a lot of convincing to do.  Without greater support, in the long run, it’s hard to imagine people won’t increasingly question his policy in the region.”

Partisan politics are in play on this question.  More than six in ten Democratic voters — 63% — approve of how Mr. Obama is dealing with the issue while about two-thirds of Republican voters — 66% — disapprove.  Nearly half of independents — 48% — are dissatisfied with how the president is handling the situation while 42% approve.

The approval of Democrats and self-described liberals (59%) seem rather odd, except for partisan inclinations.  Obama didn’t bother to get Congressional authorization for the action, a move which supposedly enraged Obama’s Left.  If so, it didn’t remain outraged for very long.  The current level of approval might have more to do with the withdrawal of explicit American leadership in the West’s war on Moammar Gaddafi, but so far that isn’t impressing independents or Republicans.

Nor has it impressed either side in Libya, which now looks like an intractable stalemate:

A desperate call for more help sounds from Libya almost every day. Libyans are disappointed, feeling let down by NATO, said one resident of Misrata, the western city under a vicious siege from Moammar Gadhafi’s forces.

As blood flows on the battlefields that are Libya’s towns and cities, the optimism that surfaced at the start of the conflict is but a memory. The military campaign in Libya was expected to be quick and precise, using sophisticated aerial military technology optimized to reduce casualties.

But it became apparent that Gadhafi was not going to fall quickly in the footsteps of his neighbors Zine El Abidine Ben Ali of Tunisia or Hosni Mubarak of Egypt. He was not going to be the third data point, as it were, in the trend line of the Arab Spring.

Now it seems the war could drag on for weeks, months or, by some troubling estimates, perhaps even years as NATO squabbles over strategy and Gadhafi camouflages his forces within civilian populations and, according to reports, is using banned weapons such as cluster bombs.

Can the West win?  As CNN explains, no one is even really sure what constitutes victory:

“They are trying to avoid losing,” said military strategy scholar Michael Keane, a fellow of National Security at the Pacific Council on International Policy. “But we’re not trying to win because we’re not sure what that means.”

Not sure because from the very beginning, U.S. President Barack Obama and his European counterparts have made it expressly clear that the Libyan campaign is not about regime change.

This is one reason why approval ratings are as low as they are for Obama on this issue.  He took the nation to war without explaining himself at all, and when he finally decided to talk to the American people, he was busy preparing to withdraw from combat missions without explaining why we were leaving short of the obvious mission of regime change.  The confusion in Libya was matched by confusion and a lack of leadership by Obama on this issue here at home.

Note: Two Western journalists were killed in Misrata yesterday, presumably from shelling conducted by Gaddafi’s forces:

British-born Tim Hetherington, the Oscar-nominated co-director of the documentary “Restrepo” about U.S. soldiers on an outpost in Afghanistan, was killed Wednesday inside the only rebel-held city in western Libya, said his U.S.-based publicist, Johanna Ramos Boyer. The city has come under weeks of relentless shelling by government troops.

Chris Hondros, a New York-based photographer for Getty Images, was also killed Wednesday. His work appeared in major magazines and newspapers around the world, and his awards include the Robert Capa Gold Medal, one of the highest prizes in war photography.

I have no idea of their political viewpoint, but the two men showed great courage in going to the front to try to get the story of Misrata for their audience.  During the campaign in Iraq, some criticized journalists who stayed in the Green Zone to file reports, rather than venture out with the military for front-line reporting and a better product.   Hetherington and Hondros knew the risks and chose to risk their lives to report first-hand.  Their courage and dedication will be missed.  Shaun Mullen has further thoughts at TMV.


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“They are trying to avoid losing,” said military strategy scholar Michael Keane, a fellow of National Security at the Pacific Council on International Policy. “But we’re not trying to win because we’re not sure what that means.”

Yeah, this is going to end well. /

sharrukin on April 21, 2011 at 3:39 PM

Send in the drones.

Oh Crr what a surprise to see you. /

CWforFreedom on April 21, 2011 at 3:41 PM

$7 gas will drop him some more…

PatriotRider on April 21, 2011 at 3:41 PM

he loves drones. Its war on the cheap.

ted c on April 21, 2011 at 3:44 PM

America Thwarted, the war in Libya: Day 33

President Obama today approved armed drone attacks in an attempt to break a stalemate in Libya mostly brought on by ineffectual use of our military and threatens to sink his Presidency. But many wonder is what we need right now really smarter bombs?

Rocks on April 21, 2011 at 3:45 PM

“He took the nation to war without explaining himself at all, and when he finally decided to talk to the American people, he was busy preparing to withdraw from combat missions without explaining why we were leaving short of the obvious mission of regime change.”

That statement conjures up a mental image of the punk bully coward Obowma picking a fight…

… then running away.

Seven Percent Solution on April 21, 2011 at 3:46 PM

Big shame about Tim Hetherington. Restrepo is an excellent documentary, showing what our men are doing in Afghanistan. I don’t view it as pro or anti war, just factual. I highly recommend it.

rbj on April 21, 2011 at 3:46 PM

Cluebat to Barry: Kaddafi has publicly VOWED to resume targeting civilian airliners.

The clock is now ticking again. Kaddafi’s typical retaliation turnaround time is measured in mere weeks or months.

Reagan (March ’86): Gulf of Sidra skirmish
Kaddafi (April ’86): Berlin disco bombing
Kaddafi (April ’86): TWA840

Reagan (April ’86): Operation El Dorado Canyon
Kaddafi (Sept ’86): PA73
Kaddafi (Dec ’88): PA103
Kaddafi (Sept ’89): UTA772

tic-toc-tic-toc

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 3:47 PM

There would probably be a lot more people expressing disapproval if the MSM was actually reporting on what a huge clusterf**k this intervention is turning out to be. But other than the report about the deaths of the journalists (may God bless their souls), the MSM has shown little interest in the war since it became clear that it wasn’t going to end quickly or in a victory that they could crow about for Obama.

AZCoyote on April 21, 2011 at 3:47 PM

It isn’t bad polls, it’s Kinetic Stupidity Blowback

Cicero43 on April 21, 2011 at 3:48 PM

So, this is what a war is like when a sooper genius wages it.

May God comfort the families of those men.

kingsjester on April 21, 2011 at 3:50 PM

Pakistan confirmed: Kaddafi (personally) masterminded the failed 9-11 style attack on Israel.

Libya’s Justice Minister confirmed: Kaddafi (personally) masterminded Lockerbie.

There is no statute of limitations on mass murder of innocent Americans.

America now has a duty to bring Kaddafi to justice; or justice to Kaddafi.

I don’t much care whether Kaddafi meets a US court or Mussolini’s fate on a meat-hook. But Kaddafi (personally) must answer for his actions.

Mark my words: Anything short of a Kaddafi dirt-nap will be a grave mistake.

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 3:52 PM

Interestingly, liberals that protested the Bush war in Iraq seem most supportive of the Obama intervention in Libya

How diseased brains function!

Schadenfreude on April 21, 2011 at 3:54 PM

Send in the drones.

Oh Crr what a surprise to see you. /

CWforFreedom on April 21, 2011 at 3:41 PM

They should paint “Love and Kisses, crr6″ on one of the Hellfire Missiles. Or this Oldie But Goodie:

Why would the Left be outraged by this? It’s the complete opposite of the kind of military action we opposed in Iraq. Here there’s an imminent threat to both the stability of the region and the citizens of the Libyan nation, and we have broad international support.

crr6 on March 19, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Del Dolemonte on April 21, 2011 at 3:55 PM

War is good if the president has a D next to his name….hypocrites

who needs authorization when it is dear leader, c’Mon gop get with the program
-libs

cmsinaz on April 21, 2011 at 3:55 PM

The effort to acquire nuclear weapons wins exemption, as in Iran, while the surrender of such programs invites intervention, as in Libya. Oil trumps most considerations, accounting for the European attacks on Libya once the rebels seemed assured of ousting Qaddafi, the American lack of interest in pushing popular protests in the Gulf, and the American braggadocio in ordering the oil-poor dictators of Egypt and Tunisia to step down. The possibility of using American force will be predicated on international authorization, and the actuality of it will be not be decisive.

Schadenfreude on April 21, 2011 at 3:57 PM

Why would the Left be outraged by this? It’s the complete opposite of the kind of military action we opposed in Iraq. Here there’s an imminent threat to both the stability of the region and the citizens of the Libyan nation, and we have broad international support.

crr6 on March 19, 2011 at 4:52 PM

The United Nation’s ‘humanitarian committee’ is fully aware that there was no threat. It was fabricated.

Schadenfreude on April 21, 2011 at 3:59 PM

LOL. O/T Obama protesters sing this little ditty in San Francisco


Dear Mr. President we honor you today sir
Each of us brought you $5,000
It takes a lot of Benjamins to run a campaign
I paid my dues, where’s our change?
We’ll vote for you in 2012, yes that’s true
Look at the Republicans – what else can we do
Even though we don’t know if we’ll retain our liberties
In what you seem content to call a free society
Yes it’s true that Terry Jones is legally free
To burn a people’s holy book in shameful effigy
But at another location in this country
Alone in a 6×12 cell sits Bradley
23 hours a day is night
The 5th and 8th Amendments say this kind of thing ain’t right
We paid our dues, where’s our change?

Is there anyone out there who doesn’t think liberals are mentally deranged? Seriously.

angryed on April 21, 2011 at 3:59 PM

President Obama today approved armed drone attacks in an attempt to break a stalemate in Libya mostly brought on by ineffectual use of our military and threatens to sink his Presidency. But many wonder is what we need right now really smarter bombs?
Rocks on April 21, 2011 at 3:45 PM

I’ll admit to being rather slow, but what the heck is meant by an ‘armed drone attack’ ? That’s just a wussy way to do some damage without troops on the ground, yes ??
Yeah, Rocks … If willing to use them on targets, why not enough power to actually get the job done ??
WussWars disgust me no end !!!
God help us !!

pambi on April 21, 2011 at 4:00 PM

Why would the Left be outraged by this? It’s the complete opposite of the kind of military action we opposed in Iraq. Here there’s an imminent threat to both the stability of the region and the citizens of the Libyan nation, and we have broad international support.

crr6 on March 19, 2011 at 4:52 PM

International support this time around? LOL

List of countries involved in Iraq:

* Australia: 2,000 invasion (withdrawn 7/09)
* Romania: 730 peak (deployed 7/03-withdrawn 7/09)
* El Salvador: 380 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 1/09)
* Estonia: 40 troops (deployed 6/05-withdrawn 1/09)
* Bulgaria: 485 peak (deployed 5/03-withdrawn 12/08)
* Moldova: 24 peak (deployed 9/03-withdrawn 12/08)
* Albania: 240 troops (deployed 4/03-withdrawn 12/08)
* Ukraine: 1,650 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 12/08)
* Denmark: 545 peak (deployed 4/03-withdrawn 12/08)
* Czech Republic: 300 peak (deployed 12/03-withdrawn 12/08)
* South Korea: 3,600 peak (deployed 5/03-withdrawn 12/08)
* Japan: 600 troops (deployed 1/04-withdrawn 12/08)
* Tonga: 55 troops (deployed 7/04-withdrawn 12/08)
* Azerbaijan: 250 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 12/08)
* Singapore: 175 offshore (deployed 12/03-withdrawn 12/08)
* Bosnia and Herzegovina: 85 peak (deployed 6/05-withdrawn 11/08)
* Macedonia: 77 peak (deployed 7/03-withdrawn 11/08)
* Latvia: 136 peak (deployed 5/03-withdrawn 11/08)
* Poland: 200 invasion—2,500 peak (withdrawn 10/08)
* Kazakhstan: 29 troops (deployed 9/03-withdrawn 10/08)
* Armenia: 46 troops (deployed 1/05-withdrawn 10/08)
* Mongolia: 180 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 09/08)
* Georgia: 2,000 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 8/08)
* Slovakia: 110 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 12/07)
* Lithuania: 120 peak (deployed 6/03-withdrawn 08/07)
* Italy: 3,200 peak (deployed 7/03-withdrawn 11/06)
* Norway: 150 troops (deployed 7/03-withdrawn 8/06)
* Hungary: 300 troops (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 3/05)
* Netherlands: 1,345 troops (deployed 7/03-withdrawn 3/05)
* Portugal: 128 troops (deployed 11/03-withdrawn 2/05)
* New Zealand: 61 troops (deployed 9/03-withdrawn 9/04)
* Thailand: 423 troops (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 8/04)
* Philippines: 51 troops (deployed 7/03-withdrawn 7/04)
* Honduras: 368 troops (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 5/04)
* Dominican Republic: 302 troops (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 5/04)
* Spain: 1,300 troops (deployed 4/03-withdrawn 4/04)
* Nicaragua: 230 troops (deployed 9/03-withdrawn 2/04)
* Iceland: 2 troops (deployed 5/03-withdrawal date unknown)

angryed on April 21, 2011 at 4:02 PM

If the intervention was started earlier it may have succeeded. Now the a prolonged stalemate is the most it will accomplish.

If the environmentalists in the administration were intentionally pushing up energy prices what would they be differently?

agmartin on April 21, 2011 at 4:04 PM

Thanks Ed!

Quagmire!

paulsur on April 21, 2011 at 4:06 PM

Hey hey, ho ho, BHO
Why don’t your supporters go?

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 4:07 PM

Can the West win? As CNN explains, no one is even really sure what constitutes victory

Well in Iraq it is kissing korans and in Afghanistan it is calling them holy, so I suppose it would be one or the other, or both.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 4:10 PM

Why would the Left be outraged by this? It’s the complete opposite of the kind of military action we opposed in Iraq. Here there’s an imminent threat to both the stability of the region and the citizens of the Libyan nation, and we have broad international support.

crr6 on March 19, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Wait what? Didn’t you say once upon a time you weren’t really liberal, but only seem liberal compared to us crazies at HA? Why yes, yes you did. So you’re not a liberal, but you count yourself as part of the left.

Fail once more.

angryed on April 21, 2011 at 4:11 PM

Mark my words: Anything short of a Kaddafi dirt-nap will be a grave mistake.

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 3:52 PM

Al Qeuada agrees.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 4:12 PM

B+

Little Boomer on April 21, 2011 at 4:13 PM

@ReutersReuters Top News

FLASH: Obama has approved use of armed drones in Libya, missions are starting -U.S. Defense Secretary Gates

Leftie heads to explode…3, 2, 1…no?

Schadenfreude on April 21, 2011 at 4:13 PM

agmartin on April 21, 2011 at 4:04 PM

No, an earlier intervention would not have succeeded (whatever succeeded means, removal of Daffy?) any better. The problem is not with the strategy (which is indeed awful) but with the very concept of going to war in Libya. We had no national interest there. Liberals are happy with the war for that very reason, a lack of our national interest makes the effort “pure and altruistic.” Obama has his own, little Kosovo, Mazel Tov.

MJBrutus on April 21, 2011 at 4:14 PM

Wait what? Didn’t you say once upon a time you weren’t really liberal, but only seem liberal compared to us crazies at HA? Why yes, yes you did. So you’re not a liberal, but you count yourself as part of the left.

Fail once more.

angryed on April 21, 2011 at 4:11 PM

NO fail at all. She and hers are never liberal, in the true sense. They are just leftie.

None are libera, democratic or progressive. They just hijacked the terms.

Schadenfreude on April 21, 2011 at 4:15 PM

“The confusion in Libya was matched by confusion and a lack of leadership by Obama on this issue here at home.”

This is just Obama’s homage to the great Temptations- of Motown fame- and their song ‘Ball of Confusion’. He’s not really confused. He just wants us rightwingers to think he is. It’s all a head fake, we just can’t see his master plan which he will reveal in Oct. ’12./s

JimP on April 21, 2011 at 4:17 PM

Drones approved for Libya. Lefties to protest, soon.

Schadenfreude on April 21, 2011 at 4:18 PM

Want to really see Obama’s head explode? Get in voice range of him at a public event and say, “Mr. President, sir, would you please give us your definition of the term, Natural Born Citizen?”

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 4:18 PM

Terp Mole: Mark my words: Anything short of a Kaddafi dirt-nap will be a grave mistake.

Heckle drooled: Al Qeuada [sic] agrees.

Who knew Dennis Kucinich heckles on HotAir?

You know, Stalin was pretty keen on Hitler’s demise, too. That fact didn’t cause much bedwetting among the Greatest Generation.

Try harder to avoid parroting Farrakhan talking points.

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 4:19 PM

B+

Little Boomer on April 21, 2011 at 4:13 PM

Days.

Not Weeks.

Days.

Not Weeks.

Days.

Not Weeks….

Is this thing on?

Good Solid B-Plus on April 21, 2011 at 4:20 PM

Nothing like a cross clone of Jimmy Carter, LBJ and James Buchanan to produce a winnah. NOT.

Caststeel on April 21, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Bolton for President.

First, we must reverse course now and declare regime change to be our objective, followed by substantial airstrikes against Gadhafi’s forces, whether or not they are imminently threatening civilians.

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Who knew Dennis Kucinich heckles on HotAir?

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 4:19 PM

You are hallucinating. Again.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Try harder to avoid parroting Farrakhan talking points.

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Try to avoid parroting Obama talking points.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 4:23 PM

It isn’t bad polls, it’s Kinetic Stupidity Blowback

Cicero43 on April 21, 2011 at 3:48 PM

LMAO

Tim_CA on April 21, 2011 at 4:25 PM

Heckle: Try to avoid parroting Obama talking points.

Sorry, Dennis, but that’s pure, 100%, undistilled John Bolton.

First, we must reverse course now and declare regime change to be our objective, followed by substantial airstrikes against Gadhafi’s forces, whether or not they are imminently threatening civilians.

Don’t ape Farrakhan your whole life.

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Melania Trump Takes On CNN’s Joy Behar – 4/20/2011

http://conservativeblogscentral.blogspot.com/2011/04/melania-trump-takes-on-cnns-joy-behar.html

Nearly Nobody on April 21, 2011 at 4:30 PM

Armed drones?

Caststeel on April 21, 2011 at 4:30 PM

Interestingly, liberals that protested the Bush war in Iraq seem most supportive of the Obama intervention in Libya:

Liberals are only against not being in power. Once in power, anything goes.

albill on April 21, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Don’t ape Farrakhan

That’s right, I said it.

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 4:32 PM

Terp Mole since you are a big fan of Bolton and he wants even more involvement in a third war of American Blood and Treasure for muslims and to try to gain favor with the Arab League, why don’t you and him go?

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 4:34 PM

Don’t ape Farrakhan your whole life.

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Ape Farrakhan? You are dumber than a box of rocks.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Don’t ape Farrakhan

That’s right, I said it.

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 4:32 PM

LMFAO!! Swear to God…..never even thought about it ’til you repeated it.

Really gives you some perspective on the PC nonsense.

Tim_CA on April 21, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Heckles whined: Ape Farrakhan?

Who da’ heil does he think he is?”

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Though Bolton supported the Vietnam War, he made sure to keep from going there himself by enlisting in the National Guard and attending law school after his 1970 graduation. “I confess I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asian rice paddy,” Bolton wrote of his decision in the 25th reunion book. Worthless chickenhawk and now he wants more Americans to die for muslims in a third war for muslims and the Arab League.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Heckel bedwet: why don’t you and him go?

Libya’s Justice Minister confirmed: Kaddafi (personally) masterminded Lockerbie.

There is no statute of limitations on mass murder of innocent Americans.

America now has a duty to bring Kaddafi to justice; or justice to Kaddafi.

I don’t much care whether Kaddafi meets a US court or Mussolini’s fate on a meat-hook. But Kaddafi (personally) must answer for his actions.

Mark my words: Anything short of a Kaddafi dirt-nap will be a grave mistake.

I personally offered to buy one of the Tomahawk missiles,” Robert Monetti, who lost his son Rick on the flight, says.

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Anything short of a Kaddafi dirt-nap will be a grave mistake.

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Then you and draft dodger Bolton go fight for muslims. Don’t forget to write.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Uncle Sucker Caters Jihad

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Heckle: Don’t forget to write.

… and if/when Kaddafi fulfills his vow to renew targeting civilian airliners, and you should have to pick up what remains of your loved one in a cardboard box, don’t you dare whine, Dennis.

Because Quislings like you and Farrakhan didn’t dare enough (or care enough) to support what was necessary to win victory in this long war against global jihadism.

Good luck with that, bedwetter.

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 4:51 PM

Good luck with that, bedwetter.

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 4:51 PM

Bedwetter? You sound like a 6 year old. What branch of the Army or Marines were you in?

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 4:54 PM

They are trying to avoid losing,” said military strategy scholar Michael Keane, a fellow of National Security at the Pacific Council on International Policy. “But we’re not trying to win because we’re not sure what that means.”

This is what happens when the CIC votes present.

INC on April 21, 2011 at 4:57 PM

John Rosenthal:

Mounting Evidence of Rebel Atrocities in Libya – Video clips depict summary executions, lynching of an alleged mercenary and a beheading. Black African prisoners are singled out for abuse.

While American intelligence experts search for “flickers” of jihadist involvement in the Libyan rebellion, a French reporter on a brief visit to eastern Libya had no problem finding numerous jihadists on the front.

A look back at the origins of the Libyan insurrection shows that a victory by the rebels could be a victory for Islamist-inspired blasphemy laws and a defeat for freedom of expression.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 4:58 PM

The supposed “responsibility to protect” has taken America into a war on the side of the ultimate killers of innocents: al-Qaeda.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 5:00 PM

On his own admission, rebel leader Abdul-Hakim al-Hasadi fought American troops in Afghanistan and recruited Libyans to fight American troops in Iraq.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Heckle bedwet: victory by the rebels could be a victory for Islamist-inspired blasphemy laws

More Kucinich-inspired bedwetting?

Boring!

You know, Stalin was pretty inspired by Hitler’s demise, too. That fact didn’t cause much bedwetting among the Greatest Generation.

Try harder to avoid aping Farrakhan talking points, Dennis.

Who da’ heil do he think he is?

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Libyan’s head being choped off by rebels.

This is what Bolton and Terp want to fight for … … have other Americans fight for.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 5:05 PM

You didn’t answer my question so I will ask again. What branch of the Army or Marines were you terp mole? And why don’t you go over and join up with your brother “rebels”?

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 5:08 PM

Heckle whined: This is what Bolton and Terp want to fight

…Ronald Reagan, too.

You stick with your leaders, Kucinich and Farrakhan.

I’ll take Reagan and Bolton any day.

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 5:08 PM

I’ll take Reagan and Bolton any day.

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 5:08 PM

Reagan would NEVER side with the Libyan “rebels” like you and Bolton. You insult his memeory like the worst leftist would do. And you still haven’t answered my question.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 5:12 PM

You stick with your leaders, Kucinich and Farrakhan.

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 5:08 PM

They are not my leaders, you dumber than a box of rocks moron. And you still have not answered my question.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 5:14 PM

Heckle muttered: chickhawk! chickenhawk!

boringrefriedmeaninglesstrite

*dismissed*

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 5:14 PM

Heckle squawked: “chickenhawk… chickhawk…

Heckle sounds more like Kucinich with every post.

*dismissed*

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 5:21 PM

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 5:08 PM

I predict that this one will be banned before too long.

fossten on April 21, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Though Bolton supported the Vietnam War, he made sure to keep from going there himself by enlisting in the National Guard and attending law school after his 1970 graduation. “I confess I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asian rice paddy,” Bolton wrote of his decision in the 25th reunion book. Worthless chickenhawk and now he wants more Americans to die for muslims in a third war for muslims and the Arab League.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Oh, please, simplesimon, don’t insult our intelligence with that tired old “chickenhawk” word. It’s so 9/10.

First of all, in real life a “chickenhawk” is a vicious predator, one that can lift and carry prey almost twice its weight on occasion. I once even saw one fly off with a small woodchuck

Now, tell us about how it’s suddenly OK to have a Vice President who had the same number of Draft Deferments as the previous VP, who was castigated for the exact same thing. Suddenly, it’s OK to be a Draft Dodger, as long as you have a D after your name.

Mr. Biden’s five student deferments equal the number given to Mr. Cheney, who has been quoted as saying he had “other priorities” than military service in the 1960s. Mr. Cheney has been widely derided as a “chicken hawk” and worse in liberal circles over his deferments.

F-

Del Dolemonte on April 21, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Meanwhile in an alternate universe, FDR pulls us out of North Africa when he reads;

Stalinist Rebel Leader: ‘Cut Hitler’s Throat, Then Establish a Soviet State’

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Love the accompanying pic of Obeta with his leg in the air. He’s peeing on all of us!

Mary in LA on April 21, 2011 at 5:25 PM

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 5:08 PM

I predict that this one will be banned before too long.

fossten on April 21, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Don’t worry about it as I have a dozen other userids and terp mole supporter of the Libyan “rebels” has STILL not answered my question. Maybe he is one of these “bed wetters” of his.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 5:26 PM

The confusion in Libya was matched by confusion and a lack of leadership by Obama on this issue here at home.

We’re confused?

Apparently so is the guy who started this mess.

“Smartest Man is the world!”

GarandFan on April 21, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Now, tell us about how it’s suddenly OK to have a Vice President who had the same number of Draft Deferments as the previous VP, who was castigated for the exact same thing. Suddenly, it’s OK to be a Draft Dodger, as long as you have a D after your name.

Del Dolemonte on April 21, 2011 at 5:23 PM

You are beyond very confused if you think I am a democrat.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 5:28 PM

If the intervention was started earlier it may have succeeded. Now the a prolonged stalemate is the most it will accomplish.

If the environmentalists in the administration were intentionally pushing up energy prices what would they be differently?

agmartin on April 21, 2011 at 4:04 PM

Agreed!!! With air-power alone, you can prevent an enemy from advancing over open country (or a desert), but you can’t force them out of a city, where there are far too many hiding places and risk of civilian casualties. Waiting until Qaddafi’s forces retook major cities (except Benghazi and Misrata) was a surefire recipe for either a prolonged stalemate or American boots on the ground.

Qaddafi is a terrorist and no friend of the United States, but he is less dangerous than Ahmadinejad or a potential Muslim Brotherhood government in Egypt. If the objective is regime change, it would be possible with ground troops, but the situation would be worse than Iraq, because there is no credible opposition in Libya friendly to the United States, such as the Kurds in Iraq.

If the objective is to defend Libyan civilians, we can protect the cities the rebels still control, while leaving Qaddafi alone in the cities he controls, basically maintaining a divided country.

France and Britain were more eager to get involved in Libya than the US, probably because they and Italy get more oil from Libya than the US does. If the objective is to secure the oilfields, most of which are out in the desert, that could be achieved with a small ground force, and possibly a larger force to secure the port of Ras Tanouf, without going after Qaddafi directly. But after Obama campaigned on “No War for Oil” in Iraq, could he do the same in Libya that Bush did in Iraq? Or should he let the French and British secure the Libyan oilfields?

Obama’s poll numbers on Libya are underwater because no one really knows WHY he got the United States involved, and what he hopes to accomplish. For hawkish voters, he should go all the way and oust Qaddafi–for dovish voters who hated the war in Iraq, Obama has repeated Bush’s mistakes, and those in the middle wonder…what’s the point?

Steve Z on April 21, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Meanwhile in Heckle’s alternate universe, Patton withdraws from Italy upon reading;

‘Stalinist rebels want Mussolini on a meat hook’

Oh noes, Patton was a Stalinist!

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 5:30 PM

You are beyond very confused if you think I am a democrat.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 5:28 PM

You’re boring.

Del Dolemonte on April 21, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Oh noes, Patton was a Stalinist!

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 5:30 PM

No, you moron, Patton was very anti Russian. I have 3 books on Patton. “The Russian has no regard for human life and they are all out sons-of-bitches, barbarians, and chronic drunks.”. Rather like your Libyan “rebels” friends.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Imagine Kaddafi on a meathook with his Amazonian bodyguards swinging alongside.

*gorgeous*

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Oh noes, Patton was a Stalinist!

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 5:30 PM

No, you moron, Patton was very anti Russian. I have 3 books on Patton. “The Russian has no regard for human life and they are all out sons-of-#itches, barbarians, and chronic drunks.”. Rather like your Libyan “rebels” friends.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 5:45 PM

You’re boring.

Del Dolemonte on April 21, 2011 at 5:35 PM

You’re vacuous.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 5:46 PM

moron drooled: Patton was very anti Russian.

No shit, Sherlock. Now read me the part where Patton pulled out of Italy in horror over El Duce swinging from a Stalinist meathook. Did I miss that part?

/quod idiota demonstrandum

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 5:50 PM

“All of the guests agreed the military would baulk at yet one more ill-advised and undefined incursion into the devil’s lair and Ricks said his Blog is filled with commentary from military personnel denouncing this latest venture. Of course! They are the ones paying the price for this fantasy that we can sweep up all the ‘bad guys’ in the world and make all of the people – even Islamic peoples, friends.

No; what we will have is egg on the face of this administration and by proxy; us. It is naïve at best, criminal at worst to knowingly subjugate this nation to an ideology hostile to it’s existence. Reaching out to an incalcitrant, enemy ideology and it’s minions with chocolates rather than heavy guns is by definition an act of capitulation. There is little doubt left concerning the ineptitude of this Administration or Congress in general when discussing Islam, the Middle East, Southwest Asia, the Arabian Peninsula or North Africa.”

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Terp Mole, you keep rambling on and on and on and YOU HAVE STILL NOT ANSWERED MY SIMPLE QUESTION!

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Where is Obama’s Birth Certificate and where is terp mole’s dd214?

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Meanwhile in Heckle’s alternate universe, Patton withdraws from Italy upon reading;

Stalinist rebels have been given safe harbor in Italy and are part of the ‘freedom-seeking’ rebel faction seeking to oust Mussolini. It now appears that intrinsic to Patton’s strategy is an ill-advised if not naive attempt to offer an olive leaf to our age old enemy. After all, by throwing in with the rebel faction we have in fact allied ourselves with Stalin!

Oh noes, Patton was a Stalinist!

You Kucinich toadies are some kinda’ super-geniuses!

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 5:55 PM

You Kucinich toadies are some kinda’ super-geniuses!

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 5:55 PM

I have no relationship with this Kucinich of yours you ignorant cretin and you have still not answered my simple question.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Heckle whined: I have no relationship with this Kucinich

Sure you do, toady-boy. You parrot all the Kook-cynic talking pointsFarrakhan, too!

*own it*

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Terp Mole, stop with your repetitious Kuncinich ignorant babbling and answer my simple question. You can go juice up some nerve and fight with your “rebel” friends for islam later.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Are you gonna squirt some? You gonna cry?

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Terp Mole, if you think John Barnard parrots your Frarakan and Kucinich obsession, you are completely sick in the head.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Who’s the beeutch now?

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 6:07 PM

… Are you gonna squirt some? You gonna cry?

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Why would I cry, you little ignorant wimp. Why don’t you answer my simple question. Does my asking it make you want to cry?

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Terp mole is afraid to answer a simple question. So much big talk and he can’t even answer and so much time to come up with something.

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Terp Mole still afraid to answer a simple question and babbling more about Farakan and Kucinich in 10 .9 .8 .7 …..

Heckle on April 21, 2011 at 6:13 PM

Stuttering now? …chick …chick …chick …

*spit it out*

Terp Mole on April 21, 2011 at 6:14 PM

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