WH tried to keep S&P from issuing bond warning

posted at 11:36 am on April 20, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

In the wake of the bond warning issued by Standard & Poor’s yesterday, some have argued that the controversy helps Barack Obama in demanding adoption of his deficit-reduction plan.  However, today’s report by the Washington Post shows that the White House itself disagreed, as it tried to convince S&P to stay silent on American debt.  The new information gives ammunition to Republicans (via JWF):

The Obama administration privately urged Standard & Poor’s in recent weeks not to lower its outlook on the United States — a suggestion the ratings agency ignored Monday, two people familiar with the matter said. …

Treasury officials told S&P analysts that they were underestimating the ability of politicians in Washington to fashion a compromise to curb deficits, a Treasury official said. They argued a change in ratings was not needed at this time because the debt was manageable and the administration had a viable plan in the works, the official said.

But S&P analysts told Treasury officials on Friday that they were unmoved — and released a report that expressed skepticism that the political parties could come together on how to bring spending in line with revenue.

Obama’s plan certainly looks like a key component of that skepticism.  What does it tell us that Treasury made the argument that the President’s “plan” would solve the problem, and that S&P still issued the warning?  It sounds as if S&P doesn’t think much of the plan, nor of the White House’s ability to work with Congress to produce something more realistic.

Jim Pethokoukis at Reuters shows why S&P shouldn’t have been impressed at all with Geithner’s presentation, putting the most damning facts last in a series of points, emphases his:

5) Those savings – 2.4 percent for Obama, 3.5 percent for Ryan — are over ten years vs. cumulative GDP of $196 trillion over 2012-2021 (not counting interest expense). In dollar amounts, that works to savings of $4.7 trillion for Obama and $6.9 trillion for Ryan. So the Ryan Path saves $2.2 trillion more.

6) But that’s not all! The Obama Framework likely uses the same higher growth assumptions as Obama’s February budget. When CBO re-ran that budget using its own gloomier forecast, it found the Obama plan raised $1.7 trillion less than it claimed. Ryan uses the CBO numbers. So a back-of-the-envelope estimate — adjusted for similar economic assumptions — finds the Obama Framework would only save $3 trillion vs. $6.9 trillion for the Ryan Path over ten years. And nearly 2/3 of Obama’s savings comes from higher taxes (net interest).

Also, remember that Obama pledged to save $4 trillion off of his previous budget projections, which raised spending significantly.  Ryan takes off the additional spending and starts gaining traction on the structural deficit at the same time.  Using vouchers instead of a single-payer system for Medicare, Ryan’s plan controls costs for the government in a much more predictable fashion than Obama’s IPAB-driven ObamaCare plan, which is now under bipartisan assault after his proposal last week.

Obama’s plan relies more on significant and sustained economic growth rather than cuts in spending.  Rasmussen’s new consumer-confidence numbers in the wake of the S&P warning puts up a big red flag on those expectations:

Consumer and Investor confidence in the economy has fallen sharply in the wake of Standard and Poor’s announcement that it shifted the U.S. credit outlook from stable to negative. Investor confidence is now at the lowest level since last September.

The Rasmussen Consumer Index, which measures the economic confidence of consumers on a daily basis, has fallen eight points since Monday morning to 74.4. This Wednesday, consumer confidence is down six points from a week ago, down two points from a month ago, and down eleven points from three months ago. It is just a single point above the lowest level of 2011.

The Rasmussen Investor Index fell six points today to a seven month low.  At 81.1, the Investor index down nine points since the S&P announcement, down eight points from a week ago and down thirteen points from the beginning of the year. Investor confidence in the economy is now at the lowest level since last September 18.

If consumers retreat from the marketplace again — a distinct possibility before this because of rising prices on gas and food — then the recovery that produces all that tax revenue will never materialize.  That’s why deficit reduction that relies on taxes and Pollyanna predictions of economic growth didn’t impress S&P, and won’t impress bondholders in the long run.  We need to cut spending, especially on entitlements, and the economy will respond vigorously when we settle our financial disorder accordingly.

Update: I should clarify something here, which is that I don’t think it was illegitimate for Treasury to argue its case to S&P.  I don’t think that S&P would have felt “browbeaten” by the White House with Geithner arguing his case.  The reason why I think this is newsworthy is for the reasons above — that the Democratic spin that this helps Obama is nonsense, and that S&P doesn’t appear terribly impressed with the White House plan on deficit control.

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The new information gives ammunition to Republicans

Now let’s see if they use it. BTW, Ed, why do you use such violent rhetoric?

MeatHeadinCA on April 20, 2011 at 11:38 AM

this ain’t Chicaga anymore Barry Hussein….

this tool just makes me sick to my stomach…..

SDarchitect on April 20, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Obama caught trying to manipulate the market?

Shocking.

portlandon on April 20, 2011 at 11:40 AM

I guess the corleone method didn’t work

cmsinaz on April 20, 2011 at 11:41 AM

I have just downgraded Obama to F-, with an outlook of “unstable.”

Emperor Norton on April 20, 2011 at 11:42 AM

portlandon on April 20, 2011 at 11:40 AM

Naw. He wouldn’t do that.

kingsjester on April 20, 2011 at 11:42 AM

The new information gives ammunition to Republicans
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This is true Ed,they have so much ammo to use,almost everything he says or has said has an expir.date on it,but we need a fearless candidate to take advantage of it,one who won’t back down.

ohiobabe on April 20, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Wapo finally taking the rose colored glasses off?

cmsinaz on April 20, 2011 at 11:43 AM

Obama tried to censor the S&P?

Is that legal? Did they issue threats?

High crime?

petunia on April 20, 2011 at 11:44 AM

MeatHeadinCA on April 20, 2011 at 11:38 AM

Don’t hold your breath. Everyday I am convinced many of them are in the Obama agenda.

katy on April 20, 2011 at 11:44 AM

They told me if I voted for John McCain, we’d have an administration that interferes with supposedly impartial market analysts for political purposes – and they were right!

(Thanks, InstaGlenn!)

KingGold on April 20, 2011 at 11:44 AM

The Progressives are losing the argument – higher taxation will stifle the economy requiring even higher taxation to solve the problem in a viscous cycle.

Why can ‘t we try some thing new, something SANE?

Chip on April 20, 2011 at 11:44 AM

Why did it take S&P this long to raise a red flag?

Must still have the same analysts they used to gauge the soundness of mortgage securities.

WashJeff on April 20, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Obama is not a socialist, he’s a Chavez.

Schadenfreude on April 20, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Obama’s plan relies more on significant and sustained economic growth rather than cuts in spending.

That stands alone as an indication that Obama has no good plan. Everything he has done has stymied economic growth.

fourdeucer on April 20, 2011 at 11:47 AM

I seem to have it stuck in the back of my head that Obama lambasted S&P for downplaying private bond and stock risk. Hypocrisy, thy name is Barry (or a variant thereof).

steveegg on April 20, 2011 at 11:48 AM

“It sounds as if S&P doesn’t think much of the plan, nor of the White House’s ability to work with Congress to produce something more realistic.”

Finally…

… Someone with the stones to stand up to Obowma and tell it like it it.

Seven Percent Solution on April 20, 2011 at 11:49 AM

The Progressives are losing the argument – higher taxation will stifle the economy requiring even higher taxation to solve the problem in a viscous cycle.

Chip on April 20, 2011 at 11:44 AM

Thomas Jefferson just penned a new piece to counter the arguments of his own political party. See the “1400″ section 3rd paragraph for his rebuttal.

WashJeff on April 20, 2011 at 11:49 AM

Obama is not a socialist, he’s a Chavez.

Schadenfreude on April 20, 2011 at 11:46 AM

That’s being generous. Robert Mugabe seems to be closer (or maybe Kim il-Sung).

steveegg on April 20, 2011 at 11:50 AM

That stands alone as an indication that Obama has no good plan. Everything he has done has stymied economic growth.

fourdeucer on April 20, 2011 at 11:47 AM

“It’s a reduction in tax expenses that will solve all of this”
This guy is so crooked he could hide behind a corkscrew.

VegasRick on April 20, 2011 at 11:50 AM

Exactamundo ohiobabe, we need someone who will actually stand up to dear leader

No time to be squishy gop

cmsinaz on April 20, 2011 at 11:51 AM

Yet Obama is going to be a formidable opponent in 2012, right? This is a “known fact”.

We are going to have a double dip recession simply because of the price of gasoline. This insane fight over spending is just going to make it worse.

Mord on April 20, 2011 at 11:52 AM

I seem to have it stuck in the back of my head that Obama lambasted S&P for downplaying private bond and stock risk.

steveegg on April 20, 2011 at 11:48 AM

Here is one example.

WashJeff on April 20, 2011 at 11:52 AM

We need to cut spending, especially on entitlements, and the economy will respond vigorously when we settle our financial disorder accordingly.

Now if someone could just convince Speaker Boner to grow a spine and a set of stones, we could get out ahead of this and put it to use.

Tim_CA on April 20, 2011 at 11:53 AM

Obama probably threatened to send Sheriff Joe Biden over to the S&P.

albill on April 20, 2011 at 11:55 AM

“In recent weeks”? Does this coincide with the Dems ‘messaging’ meme? They know they can’t fool all the people, but it is the message and narrative that needs a little massage-ing.

How long have they (WH) been trying to hide the bad news? Can we now ask for the REAL numbers on the economic indicators?

Sir Napsalot on April 20, 2011 at 11:56 AM

Here is one example.

WashJeff on April 20, 2011 at 11:52 AM

Thanks. I knew I hadn’t completely lost my mind yet.

steveegg on April 20, 2011 at 11:56 AM

He knew this warning wouldn’t help his reelection campaign. At this point it doesn’t matter much what he says or does because rising prices on everything and unemployment are realities that will trump his lies. No campaign rhetoric will be able to top that.

INC on April 20, 2011 at 11:56 AM

WH tried to keep S&P from issuing bond warning

A LITTLE threat here, A LITTLE bribe there,

And pretty soon,

Every-ting coming up roses (i.e., “The Recovery”).

Sir Napsalot on April 20, 2011 at 11:58 AM

Hey Barry!

$5/gal gasoline = 0% economic growth!! DUH!

The economic illiteracy of this man is truly breathtaking.

CantCureStupid on April 20, 2011 at 11:58 AM

I wonder if bho and team will try to stop this and if any answers will be given on various issues?

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash7.htm
L

letget on April 20, 2011 at 11:58 AM

S& P staff are getting full blown IRS compliance audits soon.

Obama’s top economist works under cover

Her name is Rosie Scenario PhD.

seven on April 20, 2011 at 12:00 PM

The Progressives are losing the argument – higher taxation will stifle the economy requiring even higher taxation to solve the problem in a viscous cycle.

Chip on April 20, 2011 at 11:44 AM

Thomas Jefferson just penned a new piece to counter the arguments of his own political party. See the “1400″ section 3rd paragraph for his rebuttal.

WashJeff on April 20, 2011 at 11:49 AM

I’m liking that, thanks for the Link.

Chip on April 20, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Good thing it wasn’t a big deal to the WH, huh??? LOL

LFRGary on April 20, 2011 at 12:01 PM

Time to cash out and get out.

Knucklehead on April 20, 2011 at 12:01 PM

Obama’s top economist works under cover

Her name is Rosie Scenario PhD.

seven on April 20, 2011 at 12:00 PM

LMAO

Tim_CA on April 20, 2011 at 12:03 PM

I’d have been surprised if they hadn’t. No liberal wants reality raining down on their hope-and-change parade, and this president is a master at exercising executive powers in pursuit of political goals.

Socratease on April 20, 2011 at 12:03 PM

Another example of how the Chicago way transforms nicely into the Washington way. When will the impeachment trials start?

MJZZZ on April 20, 2011 at 12:05 PM

Did a top official from the Department of Education receive a ‘golden parachute’ upon his leaving the administration for a consulting gig?
Documents released Tuesday by the watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) show Robert Shireman, a top force at Education pushing “gainful employment” regulations, continued to receive generous federal benefits after he became an intermittent consultant for the agency.

Given that Mr. Shireman started at DOE under Clinton (i.e. most likely a Democrat) and the fact that CREW usually goes after Republicans, I have to ask what CREW doesn’t want the IG investigating while they have them look at this “petty crime.”

J_Crater on April 20, 2011 at 12:07 PM

Hey Barry!

$5/gal gasoline = 0% economic growth!! DUH!

The economic illiteracy of this man is truly breathtaking.

CantCureStupid on April 20, 2011 at 11:58 AM

Well it looks like we’ll have raise taxes again. /Barry

Obama blames speculators for high gasoline prices

(AFP) ANNANDALE, Virginia — US President Barack Obama blamed oil “speculators” on Tuesday for soaring gasoline prices that risk weighing down the US recovery and could dampen his 2012 election hopes.

Anyone want to wager as to how long it will take before the Democrats call in the Oil company execs as someone to blame?

Chip on April 20, 2011 at 12:07 PM

“But this method always worked in Chicago!”

-PBHO

Bishop on April 20, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Bond traders did the same thing to Clinton. They cut off the cheap money supply to the Treasury, forcing the Clinton Adminstration to abandon his liberal spending plans.

Obama now gets the same treatment.

Good for S&P.

BobMbx on April 20, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Obama is not a socialist, he’s a Chavez.

Schadenfreude on April 20, 2011 at 11:46 AM

That’s being generous. Robert Mugabe seems to be closer (or maybe Kim il-Sung).

steveegg on April 20, 2011 at 11:50 AM

My vote is a Chauncey Gardner or a post turtle.

BobMbx on April 20, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Good for S&P.

BobMbx on April 20, 2011 at 12:10 PM

I agree 100%.

VegasRick on April 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM

That’s being generous. Robert Mugabe seems to be closer (or maybe Kim il-Sung).
steveegg on April 20, 2011 at 11:50 AM

Careful now, I once barely survived a Predator Ban Hammer attack by equating PBHO to Mugabe; “it’s racist” I was lectured.

Bishop on April 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM

(AFP) ANNANDALE, Virginia — US President Barack Obama blamed oil “speculators” on Tuesday for soaring gasoline prices that risk weighing down the US recovery and could dampen his 2012 election hopes.

Anyone want to wager as to how long it will take before the Democrats call in the Oil company execs as someone to blame?

Chip on April 20, 2011 at 12:07 PM

Oh brother, Bill O’Reilly’s wet dream just came true.

Knucklehead on April 20, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Interesting letget…..

cmsinaz on April 20, 2011 at 12:13 PM

“WH tried to keep S&P from issuing bond warning…”

Proof positive that every single ideological leftist economic policy is an utter and complete failure…

Seven Percent Solution on April 20, 2011 at 12:14 PM

No confidence in Obama.

OxyCon on April 20, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Why did it take S&P this long to raise a red flag?

Must still have the same analysts they used to gauge the soundness of mortgage securities.

WashJeff on April 20, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Interestingly, this negative outlook report came with a week of the release of a scathing report by the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, which presented damning evidence that S%P as well as Moody’s were bought off by the big mortgage securities issuers and deliberately or accidentally ignored evidence of Fannie/Freddie’s massive investments in subprime mortgages.

rockmom on April 20, 2011 at 12:14 PM

“His Confident Smile And Kind Eyes Are An Inspiration To Us All”….er,except S&P.

aquaviva on April 20, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Dear leader passing the buck once again chip

He had no problem bashing W in 08 for prices lower than this

He makes my blood boil

cmsinaz on April 20, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Obama’s Deficit Reduction Plan…

The ultimate oxymoron.

This is all going exactly as planned for Mr. Obama if you subscribe to the Cloward Piven theory.

No one could possibly convince me that a man who did such a masterful job of running for president just a couple of years ago, a man who graduated from two of the world’s finest universities, a state senator, a United States Senator could possibly be suffering from sudden onset stupidity.

This is deliberate, folks.

Not since Benedict Arnold…

Not since Jefferson Davis…

turfmann on April 20, 2011 at 12:18 PM

(AFP) ANNANDALE, Virginia — US President Barack Obama blamed oil “speculators” on Tuesday for soaring gasoline prices that risk weighing down the US recovery and could dampen his 2012 election hopes.

Anyone want to wager as to how long it will take before the Democrats call in the Oil company execs as someone to blame?

Chip on April 20, 2011 at 12:07 PM

Oh brother, Bill O’Reilly’s wet dream just came true.

Knucklehead on April 20, 2011 at 12:13 PM

It’s almost becoming an annual ritual, in the spring, gasoline demand goes up so the price goes up (it also goes up because the refineries have to change over to blends mandated by the government).

The Democrats haul in the executives as scapegoats, you can set your calendar by it.

Chip on April 20, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Interestingly, this negative outlook report came with a week of the release of a scathing report by the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, …
rockmom on April 20, 2011 at 12:14 PM

“Oh, you want us to give serious reports that reflect reality? Here you go…nimrods.”

– Excerpt from email from S&P analyst to Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations Chairman.

WashJeff on April 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM

The new information gif animation to republicans

And now the sad task of watching republicans shoot themselves in the foot.

King of the Britons on April 20, 2011 at 12:26 PM

The new information gives ammunition to Republicans

Is what I meant to say.

King of the Britons on April 20, 2011 at 12:29 PM

They can try to bury the news, but they can’t keep people from discussing skyrocketing food and fuel prices. Everywhere I go people talking about it. We need a presidential candidate who will aggressively make the case that liberal policies are the proximate cause of those rising prices.

flyfisher on April 20, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Who would have thought BO’s plan wouldn’t have impressed those naysayers over at S&P. Plan as follows:
 
1) Talk about reducing the deficit.
2) Spend like there’s no tomorrow on your union supporters.
3) Talk about reducing the deficit.
4) Appoint a commission to come up with a plan.
5) Ignore the debt commission’s plan.
6) Spend even more on your cronies.
7) Talk some more about reducing the deficit.
8) Demagogue the guys that had the guts create a real plan.
9) Appoint another commission.
10) Repeat above until a plan magically appears.

ClanDerson on April 20, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Hide The Decline.

I guess the bond markets don’t work like a Ward in Chicago, eh?

aquaviva on April 20, 2011 at 12:35 PM

And yet with all this info… Boehner and the Republicans still got rolled by Obama and Reid… pathetic…

Palin 2012!

CCRWM on April 20, 2011 at 12:42 PM

The Wizard of Oz as POTUS.

DrStock on April 20, 2011 at 12:44 PM

I would like to see a really bold move on the part of the Repulicans.

Tie the debt ceiling increase to the Ryan budget plan.

In the normal course of events Congress passes a budget (done with The Path to Prosperity) and then the Senate passes a budget (I’m assuming this is the objective of the “Gang of Six”) and then these two budgets go to committee (where all manner of mischief can creep in). This reconciled budget is then voted on again and finally makes its way to the President’s desk for signature.

This can take months.

All this time will allow Obama and the Dems to demagogue about how the evil Republicans want to kill grandma.

The debt ceiling comes up for debate within the month.

Here’s what we do. Attach the debt ceiling increase to the Ryan plan. Get out in front of the Dems by emphasizing how the Republicans have put forward a comprehensive plan that does not endanger the current credit rating of the country and reins in future threats to the US economy. Also, emphasize that the Ryan plan is the repeal of Obamacare, which 60% of the country claims to support.

This would put the debt ceiling crisis squarely on the plate of the Senate Dems. The Congressional Repubs have passed a plan for raising it. Harry Reid would have to explain to the public why the Ryan plan is more of a threat to the country than a collapse of its credit rating.

If Boehner and McConnell stand firm (a big if) we should be able to get this through the Senate.

Once this budget and credit extension make it to the White House, Obama would only have two choices: pass the plan (and repeal Obamacare) or veto the plan and crash the economy.

This bold stroke would happen quickly, eliminate multiple Dem talking points and put America on the path to prosperity.

bongo on April 20, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Keep in mind that the only reason President Obama issued his own deficit reduction plan is because S&P suggested that it was also going to downgrade of the U.S.’ credit rating, in addition to downgrading its outlook – what they ended up doing in only downgrading the outlook was much more restrained that what they might have otherwise been.

ironman on April 20, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Bishop on April 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM

I’ll remember to check six (though the further we get in this Presidency, the closer to a certain point we get).

steveegg on April 20, 2011 at 12:50 PM

some have argued that the controversy helps Barack Obama in demanding adoption of his deficit-reduction plan

“Some”? You mean the Obamabots?

Poor Barry. George Bush made the job look so easy.

GarandFan on April 20, 2011 at 12:57 PM

That’s a pretty good plan bongo…

CCRWM on April 20, 2011 at 12:57 PM

Why did it take S&P this long to raise a red flag?

Must still have the same analysts they used to gauge the soundness of mortgage securities.

WashJeff on April 20, 2011 at 11:46 AM

That’s a good point. When didn’t they issue a warning on US debt back in 2004 when it would have been so much easier to do something about it and, more importantly, brake the massive growth in spending that occurred before the bubble burst? This comes so late that it’s about as meaningful as predicting a sunset at 7pm.

bayam on April 20, 2011 at 12:58 PM

And yet with all this info… Boehner and the Republicans still got rolled by Obama and Reid… pathetic…

Palin 2012!

CCRWM on April 20, 2011 at 12:42 PM

The problem is that the Republicans have failed to capitalize on this opportunity in Ryan’s plan, which basically caters to their constituency while failing to appeal to a broader part of the electorate.

bayam on April 20, 2011 at 1:00 PM

To my mind, Henry Morgenthau, Jr., FDR,s secretay of the treasury, said it all.
“We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. … I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot.”
Henry Morgenthau, Jr.

burt on April 20, 2011 at 1:15 PM

Just wait until the evidence surfaces that the WH was in on the decision to not permit Houston to receive one of the Shuttles.

rjoco1 on April 20, 2011 at 1:17 PM

Just wait until the evidence surfaces that the WH was in on the decision to not permit Houston to receive one of the Shuttles.

rjoco1 on April 20, 2011 at 1:17 PM

Yep, I didn’t believe one word of his denial. He’s a liar. He will lie about anything, any time, any place.

slickwillie2001 on April 20, 2011 at 1:33 PM

That’s a good point. When didn’t they issue a warning on US debt back in 2004 when it would have been so much easier to do something about it and, more importantly, brake the massive growth in spending that occurred before the bubble burst? This comes so late that it’s about as meaningful as predicting a sunset at 7pm.

bayam on April 20, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Uh, because the Democrats in charge of the purse strings, led by Chris Dodd and Barney Frank said “There’s NO Problem!”

PS, no one “predicts” what time the sun will go down. Been that way for centuries now.

Del Dolemonte on April 20, 2011 at 1:38 PM

KITV in Honolulu just moved a story that gas prices in Hawai’i have now hit an alltime high.

On the island of Moloka’i. the little island smack dab between O’ahu and M’aui, one station’s price is $5.16 a gallon.

Count It!

Del Dolemonte on April 20, 2011 at 1:40 PM

I can just imagine how that confab went:

Mighty nice ratings agency you got there. Be a damned shame if anything were to happen to it

/thechicagoway

JohnGalt23 on April 20, 2011 at 1:42 PM

When didn’t they issue a warning on US debt back in 2004 when it would have been so much easier to do something about it

Because the problem wasn’t nearly as acute in 2004.

The current crisis is due to the overspending by the Democratic Congress in 2006-2010.

And even if there was a problem with the National Debt in 2004, it was about half what it is now.

S&P also knew that if they did downgrade in 2004, trollish commenters like you would only use it to blame Bush.

Emperor Norton on April 20, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Unfortunately, our trembling representatives on the Republican side don’t want to upset anyone by being aggressive. Besides, someone on the Democratic side, or the media (but I repeat myself) might use harsh language against them. Don’t expect them to use this against the Democrats. They’re too cowed by their own fears to venture more than a token opposition.

hachiban on April 20, 2011 at 2:24 PM

The problem is that the Republicans have failed to capitalize on this opportunity in Ryan’s plan, which basically caters to their constituency while failing to appeal to a broader part of the electorate.bayam on April 20, 2011 at 1:00 PM

If you mean the broader part of the electorate that is not paying any federal taxes and/or receiving a government check and government paid health care, you’re right. If you mean the part of the electorate that is actually paying for all of that, you’re wrong.

rockmom on April 20, 2011 at 2:28 PM

S&P also knew that if they did downgrade in 2004, trollish commenters like you would only use it to blame Bush.

Emperor Norton on April 20, 2011 at 2:02 PM

In 2004, S&P was too busy raking in fees for giving phony AAA ratings to mortgage backed securities to pay any attention U.S. sovereign debt.

Despite my enjoyment of the pain this is causing for Obama and Geithner, I wouldn’t give you 2 cents for anything coming out of S&P. They didn’t fire or punish anyone after the MBS debacle. This is more about getting headlines for them than anything.

rockmom on April 20, 2011 at 2:31 PM

In 2004, S&P was too busy raking in fees for giving phony AAA ratings to mortgage backed securities to pay any attention U.S. sovereign debt.

S&P always pays attention to US sovereign debt–all the time, rain or shine.
If ratings agencies accepted some credit default swaps as sufficient insurance against default for certain mortgage-backed securities, when the swaps were phony, then the ratings agencies were defrauded.

And of course the agencies were paid fees. They’re a business. Do you suggest they work for free?

Emperor Norton on April 20, 2011 at 2:57 PM

Just wait until the evidence surfaces that the WH was in on the decision to not permit Houston to receive one of the Shuttles.

rjoco1 on April 20, 2011 at 1:17 PM

*shrug*

I’m confident he was in on it, and yet when the evidence is available, what difference will it make? People are are busy kissing his backside will not care, and everyone else already knows he’s lying, and the media won’t cover it.

*shrug*

My outrage meter is already pegged, and has resulted in a short-circuit straight over to “i just want to kick someone’s ass” mode now.

Midas on April 20, 2011 at 2:59 PM

One more way the communist in chief tried to fudge the numbers.

Propaganda yeah! That’s the ticket.

Lucky Failbama failed yet again.

dogsoldier on April 20, 2011 at 3:21 PM

You mean Tiny Tim Geithner couldn’t print up a few billion Federal Reserve Notes and send them to Standard & Poors to keep them quiet?

However, today’s report by the Washington Post shows that the White House itself disagreed, as it tried to convince S&P to stay silent on American debt. The new information gives ammunition to Republicans (via JWF):

Maybe that was the purpose, from Standard & Poors’ point of view. Investors have no interest in buying bonds from a government at serious risk of default. If the Republicans in Congress have new ammunition, that increases the chances of getting as many budget cuts as possible passed through Congress, which would improve the outlook for investors.

Steve Z on April 20, 2011 at 3:54 PM

To my mind, Henry Morgenthau, Jr., FDR,s secretay of the treasury, said it all.
“We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. … I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot.”
Henry Morgenthau, Jr.

burt on April 20, 2011 at 1:15 PM

Eight years of the FDR Administration would have ended in 1941, and the American economy was bailed out when the Greatest Generation responded to a Day of Infamy.

Is this why Obama decided to pick a fight with Qaddafi? Although, to achieve World War II production levels, we would need a stronger enemy…

Steve Z on April 20, 2011 at 4:02 PM

*shrug*

I’m confident he was in on it, and yet when the evidence is available, what difference will it make? People are are busy kissing his backside will not care, and everyone else already knows he’s lying, and the media won’t cover it.

*shrug*

My outrage meter is already pegged, and has resulted in a short-circuit straight over to “i just want to kick someone’s ass” mode now.

Midas on April 20, 2011 at 2:59 PM

Atlas is shrugging?

Steve Z on April 20, 2011 at 4:03 PM

Has Obamalinsky done anything LEGALLY yet? Just wondering…

adamsmith on April 20, 2011 at 4:05 PM

doesn’t appear terribly impressed with the White House plan on defecate icit control.

chickasaw42 on April 20, 2011 at 5:06 PM

Obama and goons didn’t want the S&P ratings made public for one reason. It doesn’t help them to have the public know this, before their destruction of this country is complete.

capejasmine on April 20, 2011 at 5:41 PM