Military analysts: You know, this Libya war could drag on awhile

posted at 7:38 pm on April 20, 2011 by Allahpundit

The inevitable follow-up to yesterday’s “European paralysis is leading to a Libyan stalemate” post.

France and Italy said on Wednesday that they would join Britain in sending some liaison officers to support the rebel army in Libya, in what military analysts said was a sign that there will be no quick and easy end to the war in Libya

But as much as the new Qaddafi tactics, divisions within NATO seem to be harming the strategy, said Robin Niblett, the director of Chatham House, the Royal Institute of International Affairs in London. Only six of the 28 member countries are participating in the air strikes, and France and Britain are doing half of them while Denmark, Norway, Belgium and Canada are doing the rest…

“If I were him, I would look at European disagreements and take heart from them, especially when the opposition appears so weak,” Mr. Niblett said. Colonel Qaddafi “senses there is a gap between means and ends,” he added. “He can look at divisions among members of NATO and feel he can be part of a political solution, because in the end he may feel there is not sufficient cohesion to follow the strategy through to its end,” which is his ouster…

NATO will never be what it was, Mr. Valasek said. “NATO will become more of a transactional place in the future, so as in Libya, more often than not there will be coalitions of the willing, with NATO support.”

Is that really true, that NATO will “never be what it was”? Or is it more the case that NATO was never worth much in the first place without America in the lead role, a demonstration of which we’re seeing now? More from ace military analyst Anthony Cordesman, who reached for a word to describe NATO’s efforts and came up with a winner:

[T]he farce is still with us. A weak, divided, poorly led, and badly equipped and supplied set of rebel forces can only hang on with the present level of air support. Yesterday’s announcement that British and French military advisors are going to help is not going to alter that situation quickly. It will take months more – at a minimum – to properly train and equip them and it will take a radical shift in rebel leadership to give them meaningful unity and discipline.

In the interim an enduring war of attrition will turn a minor humanitarian crisis into a major one – driven by the reality that Libya has to import over 75% of its food, and the Qaddafi regime was so corrupt and self-serving that the CIA estimates that 30% of the population was unemployed, and one-third was at the poverty line before the crisis began…

France, Britain, the US and other participating members of the Coalition need to shift to the kind of bombing campaign that targets and hunts down Qaddafi’s military and security forces in their bases and as they move – as long before they engage rebel forces as possible. Qaddafi, his extended family, and his key supporters need to be targeted for their attacks on Libyan civilians, even if they are collocated in civilian areas. They need to be confronted with the choice between exile or death, and bombing needs to be intense enough so it is clear to them that they must make a choice as soon as possible.

This kind of operation cannot be “surgical’ – if “surgical” now means minimizing bloodshed regardless of whether the patient dies. Hard, and sometimes brutal, choices need to be made between limited civilian casualties and collateral damage during the decisive use of force and an open-ended war of attrition that will produce far higher cumulative civilian casualties and collateral damage.

Either NATO pulls out and endures an immortal humiliation at the hands of a tinpot dictator, possibly replete with the sort of humanitarian catastrophe in Benghazi that led the west to intervene in the first place, or they escalate. Cordesman’s idea of escalation is a more aggressive bombing campaign, even in urban areas, even if it means taking out civilians in the course of targeting Qaddafi’s goons. Other analysts have ideas that are … more ambitious, and grounded in the hope that (a) this won’t/can’t become another Somalia and (b) Qaddafi (or his hired men) will run screaming once he’s confronted with western infantry. What the back-up plan is if Europe sends in troops and Qaddafi reacts by digging in, I have no idea. A question, though: Given the tumult in Syria, Bahrain, and Yemen, and in light of the power struggle in Egypt, how much does the “Arab Street” still care about what happens in Libya? Remember that Obama reportedly ordered the intervention because it was “the greatest opportunity to realign our interests and our values,” proof positive after decades of supporting autocrats like Mubarak that we were on the side of the people against the monsters who ruled them. But if Assad hangs on and ends up killing thousands; if Bahrain, with Saudi help, crushes its Shiite majority; if Yemen falls to jihadists; and if the Egyptian army and Muslim Brotherhood unite to form yet another sham democracy, who in the region will be left to care whether NATO is still fighting the good fight against Qaddafi? He’s always been a sideshow to Middle Eastern politics anyway. If he ends up hanging from a lamppost while sectarian war and new autocracies break out everywhere else, no one in the wider Arab world will give a rip. This is, to put it mildly, an odd basket in which to place the few eggs we have left.

Here’s grassroots favorite John Bolton daring to use the word Q-word and backing up Cordesman’s point about the need for more aggressive air action towards the regime. As you’ve probably seen elsewhere today, among Qaddafi’s latest victims is Tim Hetherington, a war photographer for Vanity Fair and the director of the acclaimed Afghanistan documentary “Restrepo,” and Chris Hondros, a photographer for Getty. Here’s Hetherington’s final tweet, grim evidence of how bad the fighting is right now in Misrata, where both men were killed, and how little NATO’s presence is felt there. RIP.



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Days.

Not weeks.

Key West Reader on April 20, 2011 at 7:41 PM

No Sh*t Commander Sherlock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 7:42 PM

Obama was henpecked by Hillary and the Powers red-head socialist from Ireland, and turned into a chicken.

The Eunuch in Chief has diminished NATO and the U.S. and is riduculed, as he s/b, by none other than Quaddafi, aka the Lawrence of Arabia of today.

Congratulations, world. YOU deserve Obama fully!!!

Schadenfreude on April 20, 2011 at 7:43 PM

No Sh*t Commander Sherlock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 7:42 PM

That says it all!..:)

Dire Straits on April 20, 2011 at 7:43 PM

The inevitable follow-up to yesterday’s “European paralysis is leading to a Libyan stalemate” post.
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European paralysis

Libyan stalemate”

American (Lefty) Wag The Doggy Clusterf*ck

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 7:44 PM

As you’ve probably seen elsewhere today, among Qaddafi’s latest victims is Tim Hetherington, a war photographer for Vanity Fair and the director of the acclaimed Afghanistan documentary “Restrepo,” and Chris Hondros, a photographer for Getty.

that’s too bad. May blessings rain down upon their families.

ted c on April 20, 2011 at 7:45 PM

Either NATO pulls out and endures an immortal humiliation at the hands of a tinpot dictator, possibly replete with the sort of humanitarian catastrophe in Benghazi that led the west to intervene in the first place

There never was a “humanitarian crisis” in Benghazi – it was fabricated – and the U.N. ‘humanitarian commission’ knows this full well. You can take this to the bank.

Schadenfreude on April 20, 2011 at 7:45 PM

Days.

Not weeks.

Key West Reader on April 20, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Days.

Not weeks.

Unbelievable that the press has already forgotten this.

Fallon on April 20, 2011 at 7:45 PM

So what’s going to take longer; Obama winning his little war or Kloppenburg conceding her election?

chickasaw42 on April 20, 2011 at 7:46 PM

That says it all!..:)

Dire Straits on April 20, 2011 at 7:43 PM

2nd that

cmsinaz on April 20, 2011 at 7:46 PM

No Sh*t Commander Sherlock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 7:42 PM
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That says it all!..:)

Dire Straits on April 20, 2011 at 7:43 PM

Dire Straits:My worst fear,is all the distractions,just like
the Clinton years,and the Jihady planning and
run-up to 9/11……F`n Ugh!:)

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM

Obama’s actions mirror the leftist’s, hyperbolic fantasy of their Bush caricature. The irony is palpable.

Revenant on April 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM

I don’t care about Libya… the real farce is that it took 3 weeks for Obama/NATO to put up a no fly zone… and the fact that Samantha Power pushed intervention in this manner is terrifying as it sets precedent to do it in Gaza…

http://twitter.com/johnrobb/status/42260320940589056

ninjapirate on April 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM

and I just read that we are sending 25 million dollars over there as well…

cmsinaz on April 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM

the fact that Samantha Power pushed intervention in this manner is terrifying as it sets precedent to do it in Gaza…

As the Arab League recently called for…

ninjapirate on April 20, 2011 at 7:48 PM

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM

excellent point my friend….

cmsinaz on April 20, 2011 at 7:49 PM

So where are the Cindy Sheehans and the World Can’t Wait front groups?

jawkneemusic on April 20, 2011 at 7:49 PM

Next up is Syria…..and then Gaza.

Since we have the new mission to “protect” what will we do when Hamas declares a Palestinian state in Gaza and all of the West Bank and the U.N. and the U.S. and all other nations recognize Palestine borders as being the entire West Bank?………….and then what when Hamas starts shelling the Israeli areas in the West Bank and Jerusalem?

Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq will seem like a cakewalk.

What would you do if your Commander-in-Chief ordered you to fight against Israel (to defend the Terror led Palestine)?

PappyD61 on April 20, 2011 at 7:50 PM

Liberals Rewriting History: the new guy on Fox News Special Report panel, Charles Lane of WAPO, making excuses for little Bammie, made the ridiculous claim that President George W. Bush “went into Iraq light“. He also tried to imply that President George W. Bush launched the invasion of Iraq with as little deliberation as little Bammie on Lybia.

I think I saw Krauthammer roll his eyes.

slickwillie2001 on April 20, 2011 at 7:51 PM

It’s time for ground troops, with Field Marshal Bambi leading from the front.

Bugler on April 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM

So what’s going to take longer; Obama winning his little war or Kloppenburg conceding her election?

chickasaw42 on April 20, 2011 at 7:46 PM

great point. Liberals who trail following an election are like dictators clinging to power at any cost.

ted c on April 20, 2011 at 7:53 PM

“Quagmire!”

-Best Kennedy Accent

portlandon on April 20, 2011 at 7:53 PM

Operation Unified Protector (was Odyssey Dawn) explained (Day 32) April 20, 2011
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Although the battlefield is deadlocked,
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with fightings taking place more or less in the same manner at Misratah and other disputed cities along the northern Libyan coastline, with NATO being unable to prevent, for various reasons, Gaddafi’s forces to bomb civilians with rockets, heavy artillery and also cluster bombs.

From its point of view, NATO has kept up a high operational tempo. NATO Spokesperson, Oana Lungescu said:
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Allied aircraft have flown well over 2.800 missions — an average of just over 1.000 a week. Almost half of them strikes. We have struck a broad range of targets — tanks and rocket launchers, armoured vehicles and ammunition sites. We are keeping up the pressure on the Gaddafi regime forces to stop their brutal onslaught against civilians. It’s a challenging task — but we are making significant progress in weakening Gaddafi’s ability to use his military machine against his own people.

That operational tempo has been matched by a high political tempo. Last week, as you know, NATO foreign ministers met in Berlin with our operational partners and reinforced the political impetus behind Operation Unified Protector. They re-stated full support for the mission. They committed to providing all the resources needed to do the job. And they agreed that they will do so until all attacks on civilians have stopped; until all of Gaddafi’s forces, including his snipers, mercenaries and paramilitary forces have returned to bases; and until there is full, safe and unhindered humanitarian access to all people in need of assistance.

So NATO and its partners are united, we are determined, and we are focused. We are doing what the UN has mandated — and we will continue to do so, for as long as it takes.
——————-

So, NATO rejects critics by saying that it is maintaining a high operational tempo and affirming it has everything it needs to execute the air campaign, to target the Gaddafi’s forces and to attack loyalist second echelon forces. Sorties conducted on Apr. 18 were 143, comprising 53 air strikes which hit, among other targets, 9 ammunitions bunkers and the HQ of 32nd Brigade in the vicinity of Tripoli, 6 surface to air missiles, 4 tanks, 3 air defence missile sites and 1 mobile rocket launcher in the vicinity of Misratah, 3 ammunition storage bunkers in the vicinity of Sirte, 3 tanks, 1 anti-aircraft weapon system and 1 armoured vehicles, in the vicinity of Zitan, and 1 building near Brega.

The CAP mission lasst 4 hours, in which they operate in pairs on one of the 3 assigned CAP areas which according to the info involves 1 or 2 AAR. Meanwhile the B707 operations are almost daily on one single AAR area in which the missions last at least 6 hours. By a request of the NATO, because of the lack of tanker assets, they are going to add to the mission a C130 tanker. They say this doesn’t increase the spending assigned to the mission because of the reduction in CAP missions and will neither surpass the limits of assigned personnel which currently sits at 500 men.
(A lot More…………..)

http://cencio4.wordpress.com/

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 7:54 PM

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM

Plus with Britian sending advisors to help the rebels..A war in the 60′s and early 70′s started that way!..:)

Dire Straits on April 20, 2011 at 7:57 PM

“Quagmire!”

-Best Kennedy Accent

portlandon on April 20, 2011 at 7:53 PM

portlandon:

Okay,I`ll say it,since Hopey is driving,and its in (D)
for,ahem,(DumbF***),

he has driven,LIBYA OFF DA BRIDGE!!(snark):)

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 7:57 PM

You mean the untrained rebel rabble with intermittent air support from NATO and Kadaffy’s semi-trained mercenary rabble are both unable to defeat one another? I’m shocked.

forest on April 20, 2011 at 7:58 PM

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM
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Plus with Britian sending advisors to help the rebels..A war in the 60′s and early 70′s started that way!..:)

Dire Straits on April 20, 2011 at 7:57 PM

Dire Straits:Oh man,not Part Deux!:)

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 7:58 PM

Dire Straits:Oh man,not Part Deux!:)

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 7:58 PM

Let’s hope not friend!..:)

Dire Straits on April 20, 2011 at 7:59 PM

You mean the untrained rebel rabble with intermittent air support from NATO and Kadaffy’s semi-trained mercenary rabble are both unable to defeat one another? I’m shocked.

forest on April 20, 2011 at 7:58 PM

forest:I`m thinking Iran/Iraq War,just less gruesomey!

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 7:59 PM

Are the members of Code Pink trying to put handcuffs on these war criminals yet?

chief on April 20, 2011 at 8:00 PM

Where is Code Pink?!?..*crickets*

Dire Straits on April 20, 2011 at 8:00 PM

chief on April 20, 2011 at 8:00 PM

Just went to their website..*crickets* on Libya!..:)

Dire Straits on April 20, 2011 at 8:01 PM

No Sh*t Commander Sherlock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 7:42 PM

That says it all!..:)

Dire Straits on April 20, 2011 at 7:43 PM

So “smart power” is launching the US into a war,from the beaches in Rio, that Mr. Hope and Change is not committed to winning.

No Congressional approval for bombing the sh!t out of an oil rich country that did not attack us and posed no imminent threat..,……….

……..not telling the American people the truth about the mission(this is “regime change” not a humanitarian mission to support a no fly zone)..

………….Giving millions of dollars and support to rebels that they have no idea who they are or what they will do once in power…..

………Rebels don’t have a clue as to what they are doing…..and run away like Sir Robin unless NATO is bombing Qaddafi for them…..

………………..no coherent plan going in..”days not weeks”….”the US is pulling back… no we are going back in..no we are pulling back”….

…….Civilians still being slaughtered and refugees flowing into neighboring countries by the tens of thousands…..

…………..still no coherent reason why Obama chose to save the people of Libya but had no problem with the people of Iraq being slaughtered along with Syria…Bahrain….Yemen…and the Ivory Coast.

…………Got two words for the “smart power crew”..Afghanistan..Pakistan.
That is where our priorities and Tomahawk missiles should be.

Where is Osama Mr. Chicken Hawk President Obama!!!!!!

Baxter Greene on April 20, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Dire Straits:Oh man,not Part Deux!:)

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 7:58 PM
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Let’s hope not friend!..:)

Dire Straits on April 20, 2011 at 7:59 PM

Dire Strait:Amen on that Dire!:)

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 8:03 PM

Turkeys playing chicken.

Dhuka on April 20, 2011 at 8:04 PM

Where is Code Pink?!?..*crickets*

Dire Straits on April 20, 2011 at 8:00 PM

The same place Move on…Answer….Hollywood….and the democratic base is…

………on their knees in the Peoples Temple of Obama.

Baxter Greene on April 20, 2011 at 8:04 PM

Baxter Greene on April 20, 2011 at 8:04 PM

Excellent posts as always friend!..:)

PS..Nice to see you!..:)

Dire Straits on April 20, 2011 at 8:06 PM

This operation or mission or ‘action’ or ‘overseas contingency operation’ or whatever the hell it is…is 100% Obama.

Everything this moron touches turns to $hit. It’s the mark of the Obama touch!

AUINSC on April 20, 2011 at 8:08 PM

Dire Straits

No kidding. In fairness to Code Pink they are busy doing all they can supporting the “resistance” in Gaza at this time.

Priorities DS!

chief on April 20, 2011 at 8:12 PM

Allah and Ed really need to red and stop following rebel propaganda. Gaddafi was NEVER targeting civilians. That was rebel propaganda to the West involved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmTxV5UaIbU&feature=player_embedded

Chudi on April 20, 2011 at 8:14 PM

And instead of worrying about this, Obama had pressing things on his plate today. He had to have a townhall with the 1% left from his adoring facebook fan base.

karenhasfreedom on April 20, 2011 at 8:15 PM

He also tried to imply that President George W. Bush launched the invasion of Iraq with as little deliberation as little Bammie on Lybia.

I think I saw Krauthammer roll his eyes.

slickwillie2001 on April 20, 2011 at 7:51 PM


So Bush going after a genocidal dictator that was breaking his surrender agreement with us…….
.

……….broke over 17 Un resolutions…..

………………….had democrats and Republicans stating all through the 90′s and up until we went into Iraq that Saddam was a threat….possessed WMD’s…
……was committing genocide with WMD’s and torture chambers ……
…………and supporting terrorism…
………………firing on our planes…
.,…..attempting to assassinate one of our Presidents…..
…………..thwarted UN inspectors at every turn…
…and Bush got Congressional Approval…..

….is the same as Obama launching America into a war in Libya, from the beaches in Rio, without Congressional approval and no History of being a major threat to the US(keep in mind….Iran has way more American blood on it’s hands than Qaddafi does)

Absolutely stuck on stupid.

Baxter Greene on April 20, 2011 at 8:15 PM

Excellent posts as always friend!..:)

PS..Nice to see you!..:)

Dire Straits on April 20, 2011 at 8:06 PM

Likewise…great to see you rolling at Hot Air as always.

Baxter Greene on April 20, 2011 at 8:16 PM

Priorities DS!

chief on April 20, 2011 at 8:12 PM

ROFL!..:)

Dire Straits on April 20, 2011 at 8:19 PM

Send in zee Desert Rats,

er,

Rat Patrol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 8:19 PM

So where are the Cindy Sheehans and the World Can’t Wait front groups?

jawkneemusic on April 20, 2011 at 7:49 PM

jawkneemusic:You rang!:)
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True Concern for Humanity vs. Flying Robot Death Machines
Tuesday, 19 April 2011 16:40
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Obama Pledges Open Ended Aggression: What Do You Stand For?
Monday, 18 April 2011 16:34
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http://www.worldcantwait.net/

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 8:23 PM

So NATO is sending in military advisors?

Can we start with the Vietnam analogies now?

Socratease on April 20, 2011 at 8:24 PM

Absolutely stuck on stupid.

Baxter Greene on April 20, 2011 at 8:15 PM

Baxter Greene:Very well put,from the Anti-War President,
who BE-Trayed his own base,at ending the
Wars!!

Nuts!:)

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 8:25 PM

2 US reporters died today in Libya. If Obama isn’t careful this could turn into his Iranian Hostage Crisis.

Rocks on April 20, 2011 at 8:26 PM

Allah and Ed really need to red and stop following rebel propaganda. Gaddafi was NEVER targeting civilians. That was rebel propaganda to the West involved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmTxV5UaIbU&feature=player_embedded

Chudi on April 20, 2011 at 8:14 PM

I would agree with this. The Axion should be “If you are talking to someone in the Mideast outside of Israel then you are being lied to.”

Rocks on April 20, 2011 at 8:28 PM

Avion=Axiom

Rocks on April 20, 2011 at 8:28 PM

Nuts!:)

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 8:25 PM

Yea…remember Mr. Hope and Change here stating “I don’t like stupid wars”….

………………then he launches into Libya on a lick and a promise.

Competency is certainly not a strong point in this White House.

Baxter Greene on April 20, 2011 at 8:29 PM

So NATO is sending in military advisors?

Can we start with the Vietnam analogies now?

Socratease on April 20, 2011 at 8:24 PM

Socratease:Good point,but,its too late!
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Is Libya slowly turning into a Vietnam-style conflict?
April 20, 2011 at 9:48 am
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The announcement that we’re sending 10 or 12 “experienced military officers” to Benghazi, it should be clear, changes precisely nothing on the ground in Libya. Ever since the passing of the UNSC 1973, or even possibly before, there will have been special forces/spooks in the country doing similar jobs.

No, what William Hague’s admission signifies is our desperation at how the situation has turned against the rebels, and also our inability to do anything about it other than gestures.

Despite the caveats made above, it is also a clear example of mission creep, precisely because we have now made official what was previously only being done in the shadows.
(more………….)

http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/04/20/is-libya-slowly-turning-into-a-vietnam-style-conflict/

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 8:31 PM

We have Bolton, Ryan and who are we running? Huck and Romney. YEEEEEEEESH!

ronsfi on April 20, 2011 at 8:33 PM

Nuts!:)

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 8:25 PM
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Yea…remember Mr. Hope and Change here stating “I don’t like stupid wars”….

………………then he launches into Libya on a lick and a promise.

Competency is certainly not a strong point in this White House.

Baxter Greene on April 20, 2011 at 8:29 PM

Baxter Greene:Good gawd,what happens if theres a real
threat,Iran taking out tankers in the Str
aits of Hormuz,or NK launching against S.K!

Ugh!:)

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 8:33 PM

If Obama isn’t careful this could turn into his Iranian Hostage Crisis.

Rocks on April 20, 2011 at 8:26 PM

Just to follow up on this. Since Obama made the criteria Days not… then any conservative Blogger worth his salt should have a counter of the days up similar to the papers, and Nightline, did with the Iranian Hostage Crisis. Day 32 of Barry’s War for example.

Rocks on April 20, 2011 at 8:41 PM

How soon till we start bombing Cambodia?

ronsfi on April 20, 2011 at 8:45 PM

Or is it more the case that NATO was never worth much in the first place without America in the lead role

Exactly!

As for the current American “leadership”, he’s already “exited”.

GarandFan on April 20, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Better yet make that America Thwarted, the war in Libya: Day 32

Rocks on April 20, 2011 at 8:53 PM

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 8:31 PM

Don’t worry, Fox News said that the French were sending in advisers. I’m sure they can handle it.

slickwillie2001 on April 20, 2011 at 8:58 PM

Baxter Greene:Good gawd,what happens if theres a real
threat,Iran taking out tankers in the Str
aits of Hormuz,or NK launching against S.K!

Ugh!:)

canopfor on April 20, 2011 at 8:33 PM

Obama will dither…

……….wait for some type of International consensus so he can cover his a$$….

……………………….then give a speech.

If Obama was serious about the real threats that face the West…..he would not be putting on this clown show in Libya.

Baxter Greene on April 20, 2011 at 9:03 PM

He also tried to imply that President George W. Bush launched the invasion of Iraq with as little deliberation as little Bammie on Lybia.

I think I saw Krauthammer roll his eyes.

slickwillie2001

Can’t these clowns make up their minds? I thought the story was Bush had been planning the invasion of Iraq since day one in office.

xblade on April 20, 2011 at 9:13 PM

Allah, thanks for this topic once again. I get to use my favorite liberal word: quagmire :)

paulsur on April 20, 2011 at 9:16 PM

Well, at least NATO’s keeping innocent Muslims from getting hurt or killed.

Just think how different history would be if Dear Leader were president in June of 1944 instead of FDR. That really, really big dome in Berlin would have gotten built by Speer after all.

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 20, 2011 at 9:26 PM

And we’re wasting money in Libya to protect “rebels”???

Andy McCarthy reports:

A beheading, a few summary executions, a lynching, torturous interrogations, gross violations of the Geneva Conventions — directed at black African captives, with many performed before crowds yelling, “Allahu Akbar!” Those are some of the escapades of the Libyan mujahideen — those lovable “rebels” struggling for democracy in the Arab Spring. John Rosenthal continues his reporting at Pajamas, with the warning that some of the video accompanying his latest article is sickening. A sampling of his story:

What is probably the most harrowing of the clips depicts a public beheading. A man with a long knife can be seen alternately sawing and hacking at the neck of a man who has been suspended upside-down. The victim’s inert body is soaked in blood. The beheading takes place in front of a burnt-out building in what appears to be a public square. The Dutch public broadcaster NOS has identified the location as the main square of the rebel capital of Benghazi.

A crowd numbering at least in the hundreds cheers on the assailants. At one point, a man begins chanting “Libya Hurra!”: “Free Libya!” According to the NOS translation, someone can be heard saying, “He looks like an African.” As the principal assailant begins to saw at the victim’s neck, members of the crowd yell “Allahu Akbar!” Dozens of members of the crowd can be seen filming the proceedings with digital cameras or cell phones.

There’s much more where that came from. John concludes by pointing out that, while it may seem odd that the “rebels” would tape record their own atrocities, that is what is typically done by . . . jihadists — who use the ghoulish recordings for intimidation and other purposes.

onlineanalyst on April 20, 2011 at 9:43 PM

“Days, not weeks”

L-I-A-R

stenwin77 on April 20, 2011 at 9:54 PM