McCain: It’s starting to look like a stalemate in Libya; Update: Obama says it’s a stalemate — but only militarily

posted at 7:30 pm on April 18, 2011 by Allahpundit

I wonder how much longer it’ll be before the word “partition” starts popping up in news stories. One of Qaddafi’s right-hand men told a BBC correspondent a few weeks ago that he thought the regime might accept the idea. All it would take is some new borders, a division of oil revenues, and, er, a constant NATO air presence to ensure that Qaddafi doesn’t roll east the minute western air power is gone.

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said Monday he feared a “stalemate” has developd in Libya that would lead to a more radical government in that country…

“All we need to do is get sufficient air power in there to really nail Gadhafi’s forces, and we can succeed,” McCain said on KFYI radio. “A stalemate is a terrible outcome, because if you have a stalemate you open the door for radical Islamists to come in and hijack this revolution.”…

McCain, who emphasized that he, like Obama, would not support sending ground troops into Libya, said the U.S. is relying only on hope at this point to drive Gadhafi from power. The administration has said it will not forcibly remove him.

“Now we are faced with a situation where we hope Gadhafi will fall, but have no strategy,” he said. “Hope is not a strategy.”

I’ll bet Maverick enjoyed that little dig at his old rival’s campaign mantra. It’s almost disappointing that he didn’t add, “And Change is not a plan.” As for the substance, I’m not sure why he thinks total victory by the rebels is less likely than a stalemate to be a vehicle for jihadis. There’ll be an insurgency no matter which side wins, so mujahedeen eager to hone their battle skills won’t want for opportunities. He’s right, though, about how the lack of U.S. air power is hurting NATO. If you thought that nuclear powers like France and Britain backed by U.S. logistical support wouldn’t have much trouble with a third-tier Third World dictator, think again:

Less than a month into the Libyan conflict, NATO is running short of precision bombs, highlighting the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in sustaining even a relatively small military action over an extended period of time, according to senior NATO and U.S. officials.

The shortage of European munitions, along with the limited number of aircraft available, has raised doubts among some officials about whether the United States can continue to avoid returning to the air campaign if Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi hangs on to power for several more months.

U.S. strike aircraft that participated in the early stage of the operation, before the United States relinquished command to NATO and assumed what President Obama called a “supporting” role, have remained in the theater “on 12-hour standby” with crews “constantly briefed on the current situation,” a NATO official said.

Decades of sheltering under the U.S. security blanket has left Europe without the AC-130s and A-10 Warthogs that would come in handy against Qaddafi’s ground forces, so the dilemma that’s developing for Obama is whether to take McCain’s advice and restore U.S. air power to the mission or play it safe politically and let Europe do what little it can to keep Qaddafi at bay. The risk in staying out of it is that Qaddafi’s attacks on civilians appear to be getting more ferocious as the stalemate drags on. Both Ajdabiya and (especially) Misrata are being pounded by rockets and mortars with no evidence of western intervention to push Qaddafi back:

“(With) all of this happening, we haven’t seen NATO,” Mohammed said, referring to the alliance that has led airstrikes against Libyan ruler Moammar Gadhafi’s military resources. “There have been no strike for four days in Misrata.”

Misrata residents are “disappointed and let down” by NATO, he said. “They hear NATO flying above, but Gadhafi’s forces do not run from them anymore. Gadhafi’s forces are not threatened by NATO anymore. The NATO planes are circulating as the destruction continues.”

More than 260 Libyans have been killed during the seven weeks that Misrata’s been under siege, but C.J. Chivers of the Times claims that in one triage tent alone, 50-60 wounded are being brought in each day with an average of 10 patients dying. Lord only knows what’ll happen if/when Qaddafi’s troops re-enter the city; ironically, because Obama and western leaders have staked the legitimacy of the mission on preventing a humanitarian disaster, Qaddafi may feel extra temptation to start killing people en masse. NATO’s going to have to decide whether it wants to deepen its involvement, replete with a renewed American effort, in an all-out effort to push Qaddafi back from rebel strongholds or whether it’s prepared to risk the horror of a massacre and a severe blow to its prestige. In lieu of an exit question, read this piece by Leslie Gelb about the lack of any good options remaining in Libya. Quote: “[A]s time passes inconclusively in Libya, it becomes harder still to convince Iran and North Korea that NATO is not a paper tiger.”

Update: Via reader Matt, I missed this on Friday. Skip ahead to 48 seconds in. Indeed it is a stalemate on the ground, says The One. But no worries: We’re squeezing Qaddafi in a lot of non-military ways. Whether that resolves the problem of preventing a humanitarian disaster in the near term, I leave to you to judge.


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Comrade Zero should appoint a Libyan Kinetic Military Action Czar.

Cicero43 on April 18, 2011 at 7:33 PM

If by “stalemate” you mean lost, then you’re right.

Fact is, the rebels lost even before the French suckered Soetoro into attacking.

Rebar on April 18, 2011 at 7:33 PM

McCain was a terrible choice in ’08. I hope more people see that now.

FloatingRock on April 18, 2011 at 7:34 PM

Libya means nothing to Obama. It’s just a pretext for him to move against Israel.

fossten on April 18, 2011 at 7:34 PM

Days, not weeks?

Wonder how well things would have gone had Samantha Power and Obama used the word “war” instead of that “kinetic” thingie?

Last time we were seen by the rest of the world as this weak was right before the War of 1812.

Thank you, Barack. You are awesome.

coldwarrior on April 18, 2011 at 7:34 PM

Quagmire.

Little Boomer on April 18, 2011 at 7:37 PM

News flash for TAFKAM: the revolution IS radical Islamists. Duh. Will this idiot ever go away?

JimP on April 18, 2011 at 7:37 PM

Shuddup and retire.

Key West Reader on April 18, 2011 at 7:37 PM

Unexpected.
/

pambi on April 18, 2011 at 7:38 PM

Just what we need another DMZ to manage for the next century..

clement on April 18, 2011 at 7:39 PM

Last time we were seen by the rest of the world as this weak was right before the War of 1812.

Thank you, Barack. You are awesome.

coldwarrior on April 18, 2011 at 7:34 PM

This time, there’s no reset button though.

MrX on April 18, 2011 at 7:40 PM

But what does Meghan McCain say?

Cicero43 on April 18, 2011 at 7:42 PM

Excuse me, but these people are “let down” by NATO?

I would absolutely love to have some opinion polling of Libyan civilians, pre-revolt, regarding other western interventions in the area.

Also, I take a little sick satisfaction in the complete ineptitude of European war making.

Aquateen Hungerforce on April 18, 2011 at 7:42 PM

“[A]s time passes inconclusively in Libya, it becomes harder still to convince Iran and North Korea that NATO is not a paper tiger.”

Yes, NATO is in good part the U.S. but it must be said that the whatever-the-heck Libya is or isn’t called has NO doubt shown the world what a weak country the U.S. is under Obama.

Obama is a buffoon who pretends to be somebody. The land deserves him fully. Vote for him again, be fooled twice, and suffer, along with progeny.

Don’t call him smart and a socialist. Call him a charlatan and a Chavez in feathers.

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2011 at 7:45 PM

Reminder. 20 days after Bush finally decided Hussein had to go, he was gone. and that was supposedly “unilateral”.
Now Qadaffi has stood against the whole world how long?
Despots are cheering everywhere.

redshirt on April 18, 2011 at 7:46 PM

Hopey/Changeys…….

***********WAG THE DOG**************************************

canopfor on April 18, 2011 at 7:49 PM

You can’t fight a way without killing people, risking your own to see it done, and you can’t win a war without having a plan and an objective.

They are not willing to take, or inflict losses.
They have no plan and they have no purpose.

That includes the United States and Nato. Nobody gets to walk away from this debacle covered in glory.

sharrukin on April 18, 2011 at 7:50 PM

Could this simply be a slow drain of NATO resources in hopes it will mean NATO taking a pass on something later down the line?

Cause them to waste their military assets now, so as to be out of the equation later?

hobbit on April 18, 2011 at 7:51 PM

Correction… A war. Fight a war, not a way.

sharrukin on April 18, 2011 at 7:51 PM

It’s amazing how someone so out of it was able to stumble upon Sarah Palin…blind squirrel I guess.

wheelgun on April 18, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Meanwhile………

Hopey…the Fence Post Turtle looks on
over the bitters/clingers and bible/gun
clutchers……and wages war from the air,
supporting Air Power to AQ,in Libya!!!!

AwesomeLicious Audacity of Dopey/Hopey!!!

canopfor on April 18, 2011 at 7:53 PM

Libya means nothing to Obama. It’s just a pretext for him to move against Israel.

fossten on April 18, 2011 at 7:34 PM

THIS.

portlandon on April 18, 2011 at 7:53 PM

Obama was henpecked by women on Libya and displayed himself in full eunuchian regalia. Suffer peacock, suffer.

You listen to Irish one-worlder Utopian idealists you deserve the consequences.

Schadenfreude on April 18, 2011 at 7:54 PM

The Obama Doctrine!

Ambush Couric,or,Sound-Bite Hitman Gibson,
any questions for your Liberal Progressive
President that you might care to ask!!

canopfor on April 18, 2011 at 7:55 PM

Hey, McCain..we shouldn’t be involved in this conflict in the first place….

therightwinger on April 18, 2011 at 7:55 PM

Styx- The grand illusion + lyrics
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW8TlrYhBxk

canopfor on April 18, 2011 at 7:57 PM

McCain was a terrible choice in ’08. I hope more people see that now.

FloatingRock on April 18, 2011 at 7:34 PM

I hate to say this, but you’re right–on this limited issue anyway. I could do without Obamacare, so I can’t say McCain would be worse on everything.

We should not have gotten involved in this Libya adventure. I don’t know which would be worse–McCain’s reckless adventurism or Obama’s feckless halfheartedness.

BryanS on April 18, 2011 at 7:57 PM

Never should have gone into Libya. It was a mistake from the beginning.

Now that we’re in it, we should win it. But Barry won’t do that. So we’re in the worst of both worlds. NATO blood and treasure on the line to protect the new Bey of Benghazi. All because Obama missed a great opportunity to shut up.

Revenant on April 18, 2011 at 7:59 PM

Anybody seen Code Pink lately??

coldwarrior on April 18, 2011 at 7:59 PM

Operation Unified Protector (was Odyssey Dawn) explained (Day 30) April 18, 2011
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Previous debriefings:

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A note to the reader
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A note to the readers after 30 days of reports: I’m still deciding when the daily debriefs will have to switch to a weekly update. The amount of data and interesting facts is in fact decreasing each day while the comments you leave on each debrief and the email I receive are so interesting that they require a better analysis and more in-depth replies. For this reason, I suggest you reading the comments and replies on each debrief to follow the discussions that sometimes have become a continuation which add more interesting details to the daily reports.
In the meanwhile, beginning tomorrow, you’ll find the list of links to the previous reports on a dedicated page whose link will be the only one preceeding the daily recap. This should make the text easier to read (at least there will be no need to scroll down the page to find the beginning of the article).

Day 30 recap

The situation has not changed since Day 29.
(More….)

http://cencio4.wordpress.com/

canopfor on April 18, 2011 at 8:01 PM

You supported this mess, didn’t you

IDIOT

stenwin77 on April 18, 2011 at 8:04 PM

Have they changed the strategy to “weeks, not months” yet?

Chuck Schick on April 18, 2011 at 8:05 PM

So what, the Libyan War is a good war as compared to the Iraqi bad war.

Bishop on April 18, 2011 at 8:06 PM

McCain was a terrible choice in ’08. I hope more people see that now.

FloatingRock on April 18, 2011 at 7:34 PM

What was worse was republihacks voted him back to the senate in ’10.

MadDogF on April 18, 2011 at 8:06 PM

Press Releases Media
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April 14, 2011
ENSIGN, HUTCHISON RESOLUTION DECLARES LIBYA NOT IN OUR NATIONAL INTEREST
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Washington, D.C. –Senators John Ensign (R-NV) and Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX) today introduced a resolution that would declare that the United States has no vital interest in Libya. The resolution would also assert that Congress has not authorized military force in the region, contrary to what the Administration says.

“As the situation in Libya has played out, I have been asking questions of this Administration as to what our role is and will be in the region,” said Ensign. “These questions have not been adequately addressed by either President Obama or his cabinet members. For this reason and because the Senate has yet to fully debate this issue, I believe that the Senate needs to pass this resolution declaring that our country has no vital interest in Libya so that we can get our servicemen and –women out of there once and for all.”

“The president should never commit our military forces to battle unless there is a vital national security interest at stake and without authorization from Congress. The conflict in Libya does not meet this test,” said Sen. Hutchison. “With our forces providing the leadership for combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, our NATO allies and the Arab league, which do have vital interests in Libya, should bear the major share of the costs and the burden for future operations there.”

The resolution does three things: declares that there is no vital U.S.-American interest in Libya; states that Congress has not authorized military power in the region; declares that the NATO allies and Arab nations that do have a vital interest in the region step up their military and financial contributions. Passage of this resolution by the Senate would express its disapproval of the handling of this intervention and serve as a warning against deeper military involvement in a conflict that does not affect our vital interests.

To read Senator Ensign and Senator Hutchison’s Resolution,
—*click here.
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112TH CONGRESS
1ST SESSION S. RES. ll
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Expressing the sense of the Senate that it is not in the vital interests
of the United States to intervene militarily in Libya, calling on NATO
to ensure that member states dedicate the resources necessary to ensure
that objectives as outlined in United Nations Resolutions 1970 and
1973 are accomplished, and to urge members of the Arab League who
have yet to participate in operations over Libya to provide additional
military and financial assistance.
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The (PDF)is a SECURE DOCUMENT,you have too click on the
link,to access it,I copy/pasted a bit above!

**To read Senator Ensign and Senator Hutchison’s Resolution, click here.(At the bottom of the Press Relesae
thingy)

http://ensign.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Media.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=55bfb410-0527-a803-1132-20fd6ee53faa

canopfor on April 18, 2011 at 8:08 PM

Partiation? If my memory serves me correctly that was precisely the resolution that Joe Biden offered for Iran before the surge worked. Hmmmmmmm!

Don L on April 18, 2011 at 8:09 PM

This is Obowma’s “Bay of Pigs Lybia”…

Seven Percent Solution on April 18, 2011 at 8:11 PM

Perhaps a line of death in the Gulf will do the job. Maybe France now regrets it’s no fly zone posturing under Reagan when we visited this litter box for camels the last time.

Don L on April 18, 2011 at 8:13 PM

Our European “allies” are a joke. The U.K. fires 5 Tomahawk missiles at Libya and starts to publicly fret that its running low on Tomahawk missiles. We need a military alliance with India, and we should use the tsunami/nuclear crisis as cover for helping Japan to rebuild its military (and once that process is started, we should covertly supply them with all the nuclear weapons technology they desire).

Lawdawg86 on April 18, 2011 at 8:15 PM

“[A]s time passes inconclusively in Libya, it becomes harder still to convince Iran and North Korea that NATO is not a paper tiger.”
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Team Progressives(Blue Team),is lacking (B*LLS).

“POWER PROJECTION”,”PEACE THROUGH SUPERIOR FIRE POWER”!
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canopfor on April 18, 2011 at 8:16 PM

McCain was a terrible choice in ’08.

FloatingRock on April 18, 2011 at 7:34 PM

and in ’10. I haven’t heard him say these words in a while…

Complete the danged fence.

Fallon on April 18, 2011 at 8:17 PM

McCain: It’s starting to look like a stalemate in Libya

Starting?

As for NATO, time to come home. We’ve protected them for the last 60 years on OUR dime.

GarandFan on April 18, 2011 at 8:19 PM

Anybody seen Code Pink lately??

coldwarrior on April 18, 2011 at 7:59 PM

coldwarrior:Why yes….yes I have,hehe!:)
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Obama on Libya: George W. Bush 2.0
Wed March 30 2011
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by Medea Benjamin and Charles Davis

His lines may be better delivered, but Barack Obama is sounding – and acting – more like the heir to George W. Bush than the change-maker sold to the public in his award-winning ad campaign. Indeed, when not sending billions of dollars to repressive governments across the globe, the great liberal hope is authorizing deadly drone strikes and military campaigns in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen and now, in his most morally righteous war yet, Libya.

Strutting out to a podium before an audience of uniformed military personnel – wonder where he got that idea from – a confident, some would say cocky, American president offered a fierce albeit belated speech justifying another preemptive war against a country that posed no threat to the United States. And if you closed your eyes, you could almost hear that faux-Texas drawl.(More……)

http://codepink.org/blog/2011/03/obama-on-libya-george-w-bush-2-0/

canopfor on April 18, 2011 at 8:21 PM

http://youtu.be/fTMloaj6b68

DeathB4Tyranny on April 18, 2011 at 8:26 PM

Le Ugh!
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NATO Runs Short of Munitions in Libya: Report
April 16 2001
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WASHINGTON – NATO is running short of precision bombs and other munitions in its Libyan operation against the forces of Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, The Washington Post reported April 15.

Citing unnamed senior NATO and U.S. officials, the newspaper said the shortage highlights the limitations of Britain, France and other European countries in sustaining even a relatively small military action.

But several U.S. military officials said they anticipated being called back into the fight, the paper said.

Washington pulled back around 50 combat planes from Libyan operations last week after handing over control of the mission to NATO, although since then they took part in some missions to take out Gadhafi’s air defense systems.

Currently, only six out of 28 nations are conducting air strikes, while France and Britain carry out half of them. The other half are conducted by Belgium, Denmark, Norway and Canada.

A senior administration official said he expected other countries to announce “in the next few days” that they would contribute aircraft equipped with the laser-guided munitions, The Post pointed out.(More…)

http://defensenews.com/story.php?i=6254304&c=MID&s=AIR

canopfor on April 18, 2011 at 8:26 PM

Obama is complete and utter fool.

I have no idea what was supposed to happen. And it becomes clearer everyday that Obama doesn’t either. There was never a plan. How in the world can you commit America with no plan at all?

petunia on April 18, 2011 at 8:26 PM

FloatingRock on April 18, 2011 at 7:34 PM
…and in ’10. I haven’t heard him say these words in a while…
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Complete the danged fence.
Fallon on April 18, 2011 at 8:17 PM

Fallon:Friends Fight…fight…fight…with me!(sarc).

canopfor on April 18, 2011 at 8:28 PM

canopfor on April 18, 2011 at 8:28 PM

I can laugh at that now but when he said it a tear came to my eye. Yes, Grampa, we’re gonna fight… fight… fight…
with you.

Fallon on April 18, 2011 at 8:31 PM

Kinetic Stalemate Contingency Operation Dawn ‘n stuff.

BKeyser on April 18, 2011 at 8:31 PM

http://youtu.be/fTMloaj6b68

DeathB4Tyranny on April 18, 2011 at 8:26 PM

DeathB4Tyranny:Thanks for the link,its sobering!

canopfor on April 18, 2011 at 8:34 PM

We’re squeezing Qaddafi in a lot of non-military ways.

Like fruit?

Fallon on April 18, 2011 at 8:34 PM

McCain: It’s starting to look like a stalemate in Libya

John McCain, Pretend that Obama is a Republican and go on the attack, it’s not a stalemate, it’s a quagmire!

RJL on April 18, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Meanwhile…back at TrumpaTeer Ranch!!
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Donald Trump’s Solution on Gas Prices: Get Tough With Saudi Arabia; Seize Oil Fields in Libya and Iraq?
April 18, 2011 6:52 PM
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http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2011/04/donald-trumps-solution-on-gas-prices-get-tough-with-saudi-arabia-seize-oil-fields-in-libya-and-iraq.html

canopfor on April 18, 2011 at 8:38 PM

I wanna go to Dollar General and buy baggies of those army men, .99 cents a bag.

Let’s pitch in and send them some baggies or army men to NATO. After all, Obama can’t hurt his “father”; Obama is the son of Africa.

That’s the meme that needs to be said over and overandoverandover…..

ProudPalinFan on April 18, 2011 at 8:40 PM

Obama hoped for regime change. That was the entire plan.

GardenGnome on April 18, 2011 at 8:40 PM

McCain was a terrible choice in ’08. I hope more people see that now.

FloatingRock on April 18, 2011 at 7:34 PM

Great news… you got Obama.

Boxy_Brown on April 18, 2011 at 8:47 PM

I beleive the word the progressives prefer is “quagmire”.

paulsur on April 18, 2011 at 8:55 PM

Do the rebels get to be South Viet … err.. South Libya?

besser tot als rot on April 18, 2011 at 8:59 PM

Quogmahr

Christien on April 18, 2011 at 9:19 PM

McCain was a terrible choice in ’08. I hope more people see that now.

FloatingRock on April 18, 2011 at 7:34 PM

McCain ’08 = Dole II

belad on April 18, 2011 at 9:33 PM

We’re squeezing Qaddafi in a lot of non-military ways.

Sure we are. And we’re going to power our economic recovery with rainbow-colored unicorn farts.

GarandFan on April 18, 2011 at 9:55 PM

Quagmire.

Little Boomer on April 18, 2011 at 7:37 PM

+1

Khun Joe on April 18, 2011 at 10:07 PM

“…I leave to you to judge.”

Come back to me at the end of his 60 days…

Seven Percent Solution on April 18, 2011 at 10:43 PM

DeathB4Tyranny:Thanks for the link,its sobering!

canopfor on April 18, 2011 at 8:34 PM

Sobering…yes…and a reminder that McCain rolled over and submitted to the Obama campaign, the MSM, and the extremely extreme extremist leftists.

This is the candidate the MSM repeatedly told us was “electable”, because he was so “moderate” and “centrist”.

John McCain is the paragon of what the leftist mean by “civility” i.e. capitulation.

DeathB4Tyranny on April 18, 2011 at 10:49 PM

“lead to a more radical government”

This McCain neo-con fool shouldn’t be anywhere near the political arena. We had 8 years of a failed neo-con war-mongering “hearts and minds” “nation-building” smokescreen regime, and anyone can smell their stench from miles away. The fools that voted for this despicable piece of garbage should be ashamed.

nottakingsides on April 18, 2011 at 11:05 PM

canopfor on April 18, 2011 at 8:28 PM
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I can laugh at that now but when he said it a tear came to my eye. Yes, Grampa, we’re gonna fight… fight… fight…
with you.

Fallon on April 18, 2011 at 8:31 PM

Fallon:Yes,kidding aside,I know what you mean,*sigh*!!:)

canopfor on April 18, 2011 at 11:08 PM

Could this simply be a slow drain of NATO resources in hopes it will mean NATO taking a pass on something later down the line?

Cause them to waste their military assets now, so as to be out of the equation later?

hobbit on April 18, 2011 at 7:51 PM

Arab League on Israel and Russia on former Warsaw Pact nations. Even China gets a windfall

AH_C on April 18, 2011 at 11:23 PM

Wile E. Obamie, Super Genius. Ya’ll don’t worry, he’ll come up with a new Super-Orwellian description of what’s going on if this one doesn’t fly.

Sporty1946 on April 19, 2011 at 12:54 AM

SM4RT P0W3R! IMP0T3NC3!

profitsbeard on April 19, 2011 at 1:58 AM

Wow, no one saw this coming…

Scrappy on April 19, 2011 at 2:08 AM

We’re squeezing Qaddafi in a lot of non-military ways.

OMG, looks like Libya will be Obama’s “La Batalla de Girón” (Bay of Pigs)

DSchoen on April 19, 2011 at 4:28 AM

It’s used a lot, but it must be repeated:
What if Bush had done this?
Imagine the attacks from the press and the left. It would be non-stop critique of how stupid Libya is being handled.

albill on April 19, 2011 at 5:42 AM

Our enemies have by now concluded that we are an easy target and have laid their plans accordingly.

dogsoldier on April 19, 2011 at 7:34 AM

Just remember, we have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency! (Right McCain?)

AZCoyote on April 19, 2011 at 7:51 AM

I didn’t know it was going so well as a stalemate. From what I keep hearing here, you’d think Qaddafi was routing the rebs at every turn.

Count to 10 on April 19, 2011 at 9:06 AM

Sanctions NEVER affect the leaders much. Look at how even the goon in NorK worked the system to live very well while his nation as a whole starved. Saddam lived damn well. His nation starved and stagnated. Ghadaffi will live admirably well while his country starves. And Obama golfs on. We should take to calling him “Nero” except he uses a golf club instead of a fiddle.

{^_^}

herself on April 19, 2011 at 10:04 AM

McCain should retire.

And I don`t care about helping a place that cannot be helped.

Bad guys fighting it out.

The less of them the better for the US.

I do want to see Gwaddaffy dead and the Lockerbie Bomber with him.

I know this wish violates the Non-Interference policy of Star Trek, but there you have it. Ambivalence.

Sherman1864 on April 20, 2011 at 12:24 AM