Video: EPA not scoring regulatory impact on jobs

posted at 3:00 pm on April 16, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Well, of course the EPA isn’t scoring the impact of their proposed regulations on jobs. If they did, the results would force Democrats in Congress and Barack Obama in the White House to explain why their policies are killing economic growth.  Unfortunately, EPA Deputy Administrator Mathy Stanislaus had to answer the direct question from Rep. Cory Gardner (R-CO) on Thursday, spilling the beans — and putting the White House on the spot:

President Obama issued an executive order three months ago requiring all agencies to calculate the impact of proposed regulations on job creation and growth, as the Daily Caller reports.  The EO’s Section 1 lays out the requirement, which also applies to periodic review of existing regulation, too:

Section 1.  General Principles of Regulation.  (a) Our regulatory system must protect public health, welfare, safety, and our environment while promoting economic growth, innovation, competitiveness, and job creation. It must be based on the best available science. It must allow for public participation and an open exchange of ideas. It must promote predictability and reduce uncertainty. It must identify and use the best, most innovative, and least burdensome tools for achieving regulatory ends. It must take into account benefits and costs, both quantitative and qualitative. It must ensure that regulations are accessible, consistent, written in plain language, and easy to understand. It must measure, and seek to improve, the actual results of regulatory requirements.

(b) This order is supplemental to and reaffirms the principles, structures, and definitions governing contemporary regulatory review that were established in Executive Order 12866 of September 30, 1993. As stated in that Executive Order and to the extent permitted by law, each agency must, among other things: (1) propose or adopt a regulation only upon a reasoned determination that its benefits justify its costs (recognizing that some benefits and costs are difficult to quantify); (2) tailor its regulations to impose the least burden on society, consistent with obtaining regulatory objectives, taking into account, among other things, and to the extent practicable, the costs of cumulative regulations; (3) select, in choosing among alternative regulatory approaches, those approaches that maximize net benefits (including potential economic, environmental, public health and safety, and other advantages; distributive impacts; and equity); (4) to the extent feasible, specify performance objectives, rather than specifying the behavior or manner of compliance that regulated entities must adopt; and (5) identify and assess available alternatives to direct regulation, including providing economic incentives to encourage the desired behavior, such as user fees or marketable permits, or providing information upon which choices can be made by the public.

(c) In applying these principles, each agency is directed to use the best available techniques to quantify anticipated present and future benefits and costs as accurately as possible. Where appropriate and permitted by law, each agency may consider (and discuss qualitatively) values that are difficult or impossible to quantify, including equity, human dignity, fairness, and distributive impacts.

Actually, for all the White House bluster about this EO’s protection of job creation, it only mentions the word “job” once in the entire document.  However, the meaning and intent is clear: regulatory agencies are supposed to calculate the impact of regulation on job creation, especially new regulations.  The EPA has literally not read the memo, nor do they seem particularly concerned about job creation at all.  In fact, the question appears to be a non-sequitur to Stanislaus, who gets so confused at the 3:15 mark that he stops responding and puts his head on his hand, jaw silently working.

Gardner, by the way, is one of the House Republican freshman class.  He’s off to a great start.


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Development is a dirty word to these “experts”.

rob verdi on April 16, 2011 at 3:08 PM

EPA: Jobs is a three letter word…

d1carter on April 16, 2011 at 3:13 PM

Hammina Hammina Hammina

pain train on April 16, 2011 at 3:15 PM

EPA not scoring regulatory impact on jobs

Which is why the EPA should be closed or its mandated completely restricted to the original purpose and only what is authorized by congress which must be reasserted every few years.

whbates on April 16, 2011 at 3:18 PM

Green jobs = no jobs.

Shhh! Don’t tell anyone.

SouthernGent on April 16, 2011 at 3:19 PM

No, no, no.

Great Leader said,

“…making sure jobs are available is the first thing I think about when I wake up every morning. It’s the last thing I think about when I go to bed each night.”

Fallon on April 16, 2011 at 3:20 PM

Another ‘Executive Order’ issued for looks only. You don’t actually expect they’d act on it, do you?

Sort of like ‘implementing the recommendations of Simpson-Bowles’. Which promptly got thrown into the back of a filing cabinet.

Barry is all about looks. Substance is quite another thing.

Little ditty about the ‘best administration, evah!’.

We got style,
But little class.
‘Cause most of the time,
We’re talkin’ outta our ass!

GarandFan on April 16, 2011 at 3:20 PM

How could they? Look at the jobs lost just with the oil, gas, coal, etc. all over the US. The whole blooming bho and team are so crooked, a snake looks straight!
L

letget on April 16, 2011 at 3:21 PM

EPA: Economically Punishing America.

ThePrez on April 16, 2011 at 3:22 PM

I saw a dog give a look like that when he couldn’t reach through a glass jar to get a bone….

itsspideyman on April 16, 2011 at 3:25 PM

When you are pursuing an agenda, nothing matters except the agenda. Including the impact on jobs would destroy the agenda, so it “ain’t” important.

Claimsratt on April 16, 2011 at 3:25 PM

EPA: Economically Punishing America.

ThePrez on April 16, 2011 at 3:22 PM

You came up with one faster (& probably better) than I could. Great job! (oops, I used that three-letter word)

itsnotaboutme on April 16, 2011 at 3:25 PM

That was awesome. I almost felt bad watching that EPA worm squirm…..almost. It reminds me of this.

Mord on April 16, 2011 at 3:25 PM

EPA: Economically Punishing America.

ThePrez on April 16, 2011 at 3:22 PM

You came up with one faster (& probably better) than I could. Great job!

itsnotaboutme on April 16, 2011 at 3:26 PM

When you are pursuing an agenda, nothing matters except the agenda. The impact on jobs would destroy the agenda, so it “ain’t” important.

Claimsratt on April 16, 2011 at 3:26 PM

Good Lord…Deputy Administrator Mathy Stanislaus comes off like a babbling, clueless, self-contradicting moron.

Good Job Barry!!! Way to pick the best and brightest!!

Who wishes ‘ol Boner had half the cajones and backbone that Rep Gardner has?

This is the kind of fire we need in our leadership.

Tim_CA on April 16, 2011 at 3:27 PM

Caring about jobs or anything else people related is not the EPAs job. Saving the world one snail darter at a time is and to hell with the little people.

Tommy_G on April 16, 2011 at 3:30 PM

The EPA has literally not read the memo, nor do they seem particularly concerned about job creation at all.

Par for the course for this regime.

rbj on April 16, 2011 at 3:36 PM

Hammina Hammina Hammina

pain train on April 16, 2011 at 3:15 PM

LOL Perfect Ralphie Boy

Wade on April 16, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Republicans are so sneaky and unfair. They want answers to questions that they choose to ask.

Oleta on April 16, 2011 at 3:45 PM

Just think…

… the lives of you and your children are in the hands of bureaucrats just like this.

Have a good day…

Seven Percent Solution on April 16, 2011 at 3:47 PM

Close down the EPA

Wade on April 16, 2011 at 3:53 PM

This guy could be the poster boy for The Uncaring Face of Government.

Tommy_G on April 16, 2011 at 3:57 PM

Silly rabbits, these new regulations will create jobs. It takes lots of new bureaucrats to administer these laws and regs. Since the regs will cost the utility company more, they will spend this money on new equipment instead of evil dividend checks or lower rates. Again this adds manufacturing jobs, though probably in China.

Clearly this fellow did not stop by Media Matters to pick up his talking points before going to that grilling.

GnuBreed on April 16, 2011 at 3:58 PM

Well when no one is working they will then be able to enjoy the better environment

With it not too warm* and not to cold* but just right for life. The CO2 at the right level* and the UV index* not to high not to low and the cloud cover* is not the high not to low and everybody having a grass feed free range chicken in every pot and a electro car in every garage

*What base target year was the best is an unknown and will never be known. It is what ever the best way to have wealth redistribution and can change often.

tjexcite on April 16, 2011 at 3:59 PM

Can this guy even SPELL the word i-n-c-o-m-p-e-t-a-n-c-e?

Freddy on April 16, 2011 at 4:02 PM

How embarrassing.

txag92 on April 16, 2011 at 4:03 PM

Jobs cause pollution. Duh.

Kenosha Kid on April 16, 2011 at 4:04 PM

I was almost expecting the EPA guy to respond like Tom Smykowski in “Office Space” when “The Bobs” asked what it was he did in the company, and he starts to yell, “Well look, I already told you! I deal with the goddamn customers so the engineers don’t have to! I have people skills! I am good at dealing with people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?”

tpitman on April 16, 2011 at 4:16 PM

Did this guy go to Harvard?He has been well trained in Obama’s school of BS.He had 5 minutes to answer 1 question.Does he have the smarts to realize how stupid he looked?

docflash on April 16, 2011 at 4:23 PM

“Representative Rory Bull Connor Gardner turned his fire hose of acrimony on one of the principal Obama administration officials responsible for preserving the civil rights of the planet”

/MSNBC analysis

eeyore on April 16, 2011 at 4:43 PM

“I wish I had an answer to that because I’m tired of answering that question.” - Yogi Berra

SlaveDog on April 16, 2011 at 4:45 PM

This is painful. These guys run our lives!!!

Cindy Munford on April 16, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Did this guy go to Harvard?

docflash on April 16, 2011 at 4:23 PM

Illinois Institute of Technology Chicago-Kent College of Law, class of 1988.

Tommy_G on April 16, 2011 at 4:49 PM

I think I’ve seen this guy before, hmmmm…

Yep, that’s him.

HDFOB on April 16, 2011 at 4:50 PM

This is painful. These guys run ruin our lives!!!

Cindy Munford on April 16, 2011 at 4:47 PM

FIFY

Shay on April 16, 2011 at 5:01 PM

I work in a desertic area , and I tell you that it is hard to really harm a desert. If we stopped right now, in two or three years you wouldn’t be able to tell that we’d even been here. Nature is powerful and unrelenting.

In the meantime, the environmental spill / contain / remediate procedures for a half-liter spill from a hydraulic hose can shut 1/4 of our operation down for an entire afternoon. The follow-up reporting and investigations will take another half-dozen people a week to accomplish.

I deal with construction contracts / contractors. When we sit down to fully explain the the environmental requirements with prospective bidders, the bid prices go up anywhere between 8% and 15%.

I’m all in favor of good stewardship of the environment. It’s God’s gift to us, after all. I am not in favor of bureaucrats pushing paper at each other, thinking that they are accomplishing something.

ss396 on April 16, 2011 at 5:13 PM

I bet it was hard getting out of the room carrying his ass with both hands. ROFLMAO. What a d bag that guy is.

jistincase on April 16, 2011 at 5:23 PM

The guy had a hard day. Can you imagine how hard it’s going to be to get these folks to appear before a committee after a public ear boxing like this? I predict resignations.

Mason on April 16, 2011 at 5:34 PM

They are creating jobs. They hire people to carry water for Obama
Enforcers jobs
PR jobs
Sock puppets with sock puppet trainees and trainers.

How many trillions do we need to borrow and spend to serve the ideologs?

seven on April 16, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Great job Mr. Gardner…you made this bureaucrat fool look like dummy he is! How do we get these morons regulating our lives?

Twana on April 16, 2011 at 5:49 PM

We need more businessmen in Congree and the Senate. Gardner really pinned this guy. And you know that there are hundreds if not thousands more “pinnings” to go.

disa on April 16, 2011 at 5:52 PM

ConGRESS, sorry.

disa on April 16, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Clearly by this bio, http://www.epa.gov/oswer/aa/ , Stanislaus has never had an honest job in his entire life.

Kermit on April 16, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Whose on first?

closetgop on April 16, 2011 at 5:55 PM

the question appears to be a non-sequitur to Stanislaus, who gets so confused at the 3:15 mark that he stops responding and puts his head on his hand, jaw silently working.

See, now I didn’t see confusion at all. I saw a guy trying to figure out how to lie without being caught.

“I was watching the baby.”

“But the baby crawled out the door while you were sitting on the couch watching TV.”

“Well, I wasn’t watching the baby directly.”

disa on April 16, 2011 at 5:58 PM

“It depends on what the meaning of is is.”

cat-scratch on April 16, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Jobs…why would we study jobs? Don’t you know about global warming? And….Knut the polar bear just died. And you want the EPA to worry about jobs?

BobMbx on April 16, 2011 at 6:12 PM

I must admit, I like the Tea Party Freshmen

Kini on April 16, 2011 at 6:13 PM

I wonder if any cameras panned on the faces of the audience as this guy squirmed and avoided answering the question. Well, he didn’t answer directly.

disa on April 16, 2011 at 6:14 PM

Clearly by this bio, http://www.epa.gov/oswer/aa/ , Stanislaus has never had an honest job in his entire life.

Kermit on April 16, 2011 at 5:53 PM

To judge by this bio, he’s outmatched by Gardner:

http://gardner.house.gov/about-me/full-biography

disa on April 16, 2011 at 6:28 PM

I think the job is to destroy jobs, and they’re perfectly happy doing that for their god Obama. Obama gets to keep his hands clean while others take the fall. It’s just how things are done now.

capejasmine on April 16, 2011 at 6:44 PM

I’m so glad Colorado was at least smart enough to replace Betsey Marky with this Corey Gardner.

jawkneemusic on April 16, 2011 at 6:51 PM

Ahhh…lemme meet with the President’s campaign manager and I’ll get back with ya’. Kay?

Saltysam on April 16, 2011 at 7:09 PM

What to you expect with regulation without representation. The EPA is setting itself up to be a Privileged bureaucracy without any checks and balances, or even foundation based in science…

drfredc on April 16, 2011 at 7:31 PM

What a waste of a really nice suit. This guy knew what the question was, he tried to dance around the fringe of the answer as best as his pea-brain allowed. The answer is… ‘no, we don’t care bout no stinkin jobs’.
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RalphyBoy on April 16, 2011 at 7:32 PM

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez!!!

This two bit Chili-Mac Pimp in a bad suit needs lessons in both Shuck & Jive. Also how to successfully and believably Tap Dance around a question.

The more he flaps his gums. The deeper he digs himself in and the more flat out ignorant he appears.

Masterfully done, Mr. Gardner! For creating some memorable, heart warming revelations!

Jack.

Jack Deth on April 16, 2011 at 7:46 PM

Whoa! Great job!

tinkerthinker on April 16, 2011 at 8:43 PM

The main problem with bureaucratic empires like the EPA is that at their core they are antagonistic to commerce and production. They’re not concerned whether or not their efforts help maintain a prosperous and dynamic country, rather they measure their efforts by how much development and business they prevent.

The only role that a reformed and skeletal EPA should play is one of advisement and research to provide information for bonding and insurance of companies, and perhaps moderating inter-state problems.

chimney sweep on April 16, 2011 at 8:57 PM

Watched Rep Chaffetz and Rep Cannon questioning the EPA and the border patrol chief last night.
Apparently, the only people who can go into the designated wilderness areas are the illegals. The border patrol must get clearance from the epa to follow the illegals/drug gangsters and that doesn’t come immediately, before they can go in. They can’t even put a tower up in wilderness designated area. I tuned in too late to hear it all, but it seemed they talked about conceeding 100 miles of the US territory, so that the agents are placed that far away. The ranchers and towns in the area fend for themselves. One rancher said he slept with 2 guns, rides his horse with a pistol and a shotgun on his saddle.
Jason Chaffetz was so upset with the epa that he showed some slides that he didn’t intend to show on tv, but I only saw a second of the 1st slide and it was 2 severed heads on a fence. I don’t know what else he showed, but he said this is what is going on and you protect some cactus insted of protecting the citizens and the border agents! He was so mad – I was so proud of our congressmen!
Something has to be done with this government!!!!
Sorry if this doesn’t fit the story, but it was so unbelievable!!!!!

Bambi on April 16, 2011 at 8:58 PM

But if we directly consider the effect of our regulations on jobs it will be clear that the EPA should be disbanded.–EPA

Slowburn on April 16, 2011 at 9:34 PM

Heh, looks like we need more wheat farmers in congress.

boomer on April 16, 2011 at 11:33 PM

EPA Deputy Administrator Mathy Stanislaus had to answer the direct question from Rep. Cory Gardner (R-CO) on Thursday, spilling the beans — and putting the White House on the spot:

Always Instructive,
when we get to peer directly into the
festering morass of the Democrat collective!

“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on April 17, 2011 at 12:29 AM

Bambi on April 16, 2011 at 8:58 PM

Thanks for the 2 heads up!
And agree, “Something has to be done with this government!!!!” A good start would be for citizens to become re-qualified in the tactical use of tar, feathers, and rails! Until, long prison terms can be meted out for the ‘High Crimes and Misdemeanors’ perpetrated on the USA and her citizens.

“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on April 17, 2011 at 12:58 AM

I notice the EPA goon’s posture while sitting there. It was typical of bullies and people who think “I own you, peon.” The EPA culture obviously believes laws are an impediment and that they own us. It’s time to inform them otherwise.

{^_^}

herself on April 17, 2011 at 7:02 AM

Gardner seems impressive. But he’s from corn country, so I gotta wonder if he’s an ADM/ethanol guy.

After watching Bob Inglis (R-SC) shred witnesses into confetti during the 1998 Clinton impeachment hearings only to discover in recent years he’s one of the squishy centrists who always want to force conservative GOPpers into Dem deals, I’m through falling in love with pols after one good grilling session in committee.

L.N. Smithee on April 17, 2011 at 7:16 AM

One more thing: Watching Mathy Stanislaus has given me a strange craving for kiwi fruit.

L.N. Smithee on April 17, 2011 at 7:18 AM

Gardner badly overplays his hand on this. The EPA dork wasn’t attempting to be misleading, it seems to me. So just ask him — what is the basis of your analysis? I think he answered that clearly — direct costs, and not jobs.

EPA has a narrow mandate, and it is not job creation. Why the time wasting blather?

Jaibones on April 17, 2011 at 7:50 AM

Abolish the EPA. I will settle though for stripping there funding to almost nothing.

This is the perfect example of what you get when someone is attempting to hide, deceive, distort and lie. You get confusion. The truth, on the other hand, is simple and clear to understand. Not always easy to hear, but simple to understand.

JellyToast on April 17, 2011 at 8:13 AM

Gardner badly overplays his hand on this. The EPA dork wasn’t attempting to be misleading, it seems to me. So just ask him — what is the basis of your analysis? I think he answered that clearly — direct costs, and not jobs.

EPA has a narrow mandate, and it is not job creation. Why the time wasting blather?

Jaibones on April 17, 2011 at 7:50 AM

You’re kidding, right? If Mr. KiwiFruit Head wasn’t trying to be misleading, he would have given direct answers to the questions that were asked instead of re-characterizing the questions and answering those instead.

You may want to rewatch the video and re-read the regulations regarding such agencies.

L.N. Smithee on April 17, 2011 at 8:47 AM

Gardner badly overplays his hand on this. The EPA dork wasn’t attempting to be misleading, it seems to me. So just ask him — what is the basis of your analysis? I think he answered that clearly — direct costs, and not jobs.

EPA has a narrow mandate, and it is not job creation. Why the time wasting blather?

Jaibones on April 17, 2011 at 7:50 AM

I don’t think Gardner’s request was specific to how many jobs would be “created” but the EPA’s rulings impact on employment –– up or down. If my company goes under and my employees are out of work as a result of an EPA ruling, that’s a direct cost.

tpitman on April 17, 2011 at 10:16 AM

Furthermore, by not taking jobs into consideration, it’s easier to have the numbers come out more favorably, much like using the “doc fix”, and spreading the expense of Obamacare over fewer years than the time spent in collection of premiums to make the numbers jibe. Suddenly, their proposals are either “revenue neutral” or create deficit reduction.

tpitman on April 17, 2011 at 10:23 AM

Orwell or Abbott and Costello?

The barry administration is made up of clowns so I guess Abbott and Costello.

peacenprosperity on April 17, 2011 at 1:01 PM

The EPA dork wasn’t attempting to be misleading hide the truth

Fixed it for you.

Your welcome.

peacenprosperity on April 17, 2011 at 1:03 PM

That is hilarious.

I honestly believe it had simply never occurred to them that they might actually have to abide by the rules they’ve set for themselves. When even the bureaucrats can’t figure out what rules they’re supposed to be following, you know we’ve got to many rules.

Voyager on April 17, 2011 at 2:36 PM

Bureaucrats did I spell that right. From now on call it they. They say we did an assesment of cost. They say energy cost will rise. What they will not admit is that they’s policy cost thousands of jobs. No energy is a policy of no jobs.

TomLawler on April 17, 2011 at 5:09 PM

I applaud Congressman Gardner for not allowing this Enviro Industry bureaucrat to slither back under the slimy rock from whence he came.

I only wish he was on the committe that oversees Commerce so that he could do a little inquisition on the Environmental Defense Fund’s meatpuppet Jane Lubechenko. She’s the head of NOAA, which oversees the NMFS Natl Marine Fisheries Service.

With EDFJane at the helm, the NMFS is running amok, forcing unneeded, unnecessary fisheries regulations down the throats of commercial & recreational fishermen alike. Her fascist actions have killed hundreds of thousands of jobs (marinas, tackle stores, seafood markets, boat mfgrs and so on), ruined coastal states’ tourism economies.

None of EDFJane’s regs have done a thing to promote fisheries. But her regs have done everything to kill jobs.

CatchAll on April 17, 2011 at 9:00 PM