Jon Meacham: Let’s undo the Birther “horror” by repealing the natural-born citizen clause

posted at 10:16 pm on April 15, 2011 by Allahpundit

In case you were wondering what the guy who used to edit Newsweek is up to these days, wonder no longer. I agree with him about the natural-born requirement, incidentally: It’s one of the most antiquated and unnecessary parts of the Constitution, especially in light of the original intent he describes. But … “horror”? Are the delicate flowers who populate PBS’s viewership so delicate that they recoil at the very idea of The One being asked to show his birth certificate? The beginning here sounds like a parody of bien-pensant liberalism — almost physical revulsion at what’s not only a minor thoughtcrime, but one rejected by all major Republican candidates except Trump (who isn’t really a major Republican candidate). Good lord, man. Get a hold of yourself.

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GGMac on April 16, 2011 at 1:11 PM

Wow. One difference is that the Booth form you posted appears to be an image of a folded piece of paper, while the Daily Kos form appears to be computer-generated, and/or air-brushed. The Booth form also has a seal/insignia in the middle. The Daily Kos Obama form doesn’t.

But the main discrepancy between the short form for Mr. Booth and the short form that Daily Kos posted for Obama, is that the Obama form does not include two sections that appear on Mr. Booth’s form: “Mother’s state/country of birth” and “Father’s state/country of birth.”

And that’s where the mystery lies. Both of the sections are missing. Did the Father’s state/country of birth say 1)Kenya, or 2)United Kingdom, or 3)United States, or 4)any of these three, but legally changed to Indonesia and never changed back?

I believe the correct answer is 4).

“Hawaii says the short form is legal”

Each short form says at the bottom: “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.” Yes, in Hawaii. But it’s not sufficient for a US security clearance.

Emperor Norton on April 16, 2011 at 1:52 PM

“Hawaii says the short form is legal…”

Which “short form” would that be? The version which has printed on it:
“Mother’s State/Country of Birth”

“Father’s State/Country of Birth”
GGMac on April 16, 2011 at 1:11 PM

Do you realize that you have just proved Barry’s COLB to be a fraud?

It is quite obvious from this that the Hawaiian officials are complicit in this whole reporting of “birth certificates”, meaning, since Obama’s Daily Kos/George Soros published COLB is a fraud, it stands to reason that there really is not even a long form birth certificate available…!!

Why else would they have to produce even a fraudulent COLB, if not because without a legitimate non-fradulent long form certificate, THEY SIMPLY HAVE NO AVENUE TO PRODUCE ANY LEIGITIMATE DOCUMENT..??!!

It should be real easy to produce a non-fraudulent COLB like GGmac’s links above show, that is……if there is an original non-fraudulent Long Form Birth Certificate, and thus by deduction…only if the LFBC is REAL do they have the avenue to produce a REAL and LEIGITIMATE, non-fraudulent COLB..!!

Does anybody have any questions as to why Obama’s fraudulent COLB was only published at the George Soros funded Daily Kos..??

Mcguyver on April 16, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Back in 1991, after I returned from Desert Storm, I needed to get a Social Security card as I had lost mine. Thinking as a new Veteran would, I am 100% citizen/patroit/”doing the job most American wont”, I went to the SS office in Alexandria, LA with my newly printed DD-214 declaring my veteran status. I get there and the clerk told me, “You were born in a foreign country.” True, Dad was stationed in Germany and I was born in a US Military Hospital. She went on to inform me that I had a State Dept birth certificate. Yes, that was true. However, she could not give me a new card without the birth certificate because I have to show proof of citizenship since I was born in Germany. (Now in the next booth they were giving away checks to folks with no proof but that is another story for another day.) I had two forms of picture ID but still had to produce the Birth certificate that I did not have on me. Now granted proving qualifications for President isnt as demanding as a SS Card, but come on man!!!

Claimsratt on April 16, 2011 at 2:16 PM

… The 14th amendment STILL says you must have two citizen parents.

DiogenesLamp on April 16, 2011 at 1:45 PM

Respectfully, it does no such thing. Article II is completely silent on the status of either (thus, both) parents’ citizenship. Amendment XIV actually allows further:

All persons born or naturalized

anuts on April 16, 2011 at 2:21 PM

Anchor babies are NOT US citizens.
DiogenesLamp on April 16, 2011 at 1:52 PM

You may not think they should be, but they are. The Supreme Court, in effect, legalized anchor babies in the case US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which originated in San Francisco.

Emperor Norton on April 16, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Each short form says at the bottom: “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.” Yes, in Hawaii. But it’s not sufficient for a US security clearance.

Emperor Norton on April 16, 2011 at 1:52 PM

You just made that up didn’t you. You can get the highest clearance possible without being born in the US.

lexhamfox on April 16, 2011 at 4:55 PM

You can get the highest clearance possible without being born in the US.

You mean Obama?

Emperor Norton on April 16, 2011 at 6:21 PM

“If PBS doesn’t do it, who will?”

Hucklebuck on April 16, 2011 at 6:29 PM

I think the mere fact that Mecham brings this up at all, could be evidence that something isn’t right. I’m not saying Obama isn’t a citizen, but something has their rope in knots over this.

As has been said. You don’t spend millions trying to hide a document, if there’s something you don’t want others to know. Something…isn’t….right.

capejasmine on April 16, 2011 at 6:40 PM

AP, the only way that the NBC clause will EVER be antiquated is if there are no longer any foreign powers from which to derive one’s birth.

James on April 16, 2011 at 6:54 PM

@ Mcguyver, 4/16/11, 1:59 PM Sorry to be so long in getting back to you – family birthday party.

I want you, and all, to know this discovery of a true Hawaii COLB, and its comparison to the invented COLB of Obama was not mine. To the best of my knowledge, the credit goes to Free Republic [web site] commentor “RobinMasters”, who posted the images on 4/11/11 at 12:31:23, comment 5 of the thread “Hawaii Official and Ex-Official Lie to Cover Their Tracks”.

“RobinMasters”, “Butterdezillion”, “Ladysforest”, and several other regular posters at Free Republic have been doing yeoman’s work on Obama’s eligibility scam, and their research – including trips to Hawaii by some – has unearthed invaluable information which has been presented in articulate, precise, and professional manners. DiogenesLamp, who posts outstanding comments there, as well as here, can also attest to the fine and dedicated work which has been presented there. They’ve been especially effective in the areas regarding the fancy footwork of the Hawaii Department of Health, and also in regards to the “birth announcements” listed in the Honolulu newspapers.

GGMac on April 16, 2011 at 10:37 PM

I agree with him about the natural-born requirement, incidentally: It’s one of the most antiquated and unnecessary parts of the Constitution, especially in light of the original intent he describes.

Obama makes a powerful case for it being relevant. Hiring an anti-American de-facto foreign-born president hasn’t exactly been a brilliant move.

That is, even if Obama was actually born in the USA as claimed, he clearly has little real allegiance to American ideals. He was raised as a Muslim in Indonesia, and his loyalties still seem to lie with the Third World countries. He actually believes that we’re too powerful and too prosperous, and that we should have to pya $5 a gallon for gas to force us to be more green.

I’d say the founders were looking increasingly prescient about this “antiquated and unnecessary part of the Constitution.”

There Goes The Neighborhood on April 17, 2011 at 5:10 AM

There are so many reasons for the natural-born requirement that until I hear a valid argument against it I’m not listening. The threat of a president with two allegiances is so compelling an argument against removal of this requirement that you better have a darn good argument for its being struck down. So far I have heard a good one yet.

itsspideyman on April 17, 2011 at 9:30 AM

I agree with him about the natural-born requirement, incidentally: It’s one of the most antiquated and unnecessary parts of the Constitution, especially in light of the original intent he describes.

I just can’t describe how impressed I am by your constitutional street cred.

SKYFOX on April 17, 2011 at 9:33 AM

“antiquated and unnecessary”

Good Lord. Let’s just scrap the whole Constitution, then! It’s over 200 years old, written by a bunch of white males, etc.

Incredible. Allah, you sometimes display the weaknesses of the Northeastern conservative, but this . . . this sets a new standard. Good luck selling that one!

tsj017 on April 17, 2011 at 10:04 AM

comment 5 of the thread “Hawaii Official and Ex-Official Lie to Cover Their Tracks”

Actually, it’s comment 3 of that thread, which was posted on April 10, 2011, not April 11, 2011. Comment 5 is also good: a recently-made copy of a Hawaiian long-form birth certificate for a 1995 birth. The child’s name is redacted, but someone requested and got a copy of the long form this year. You can see the date stamp–the copy was issued on March 15, 2011. The form is a Certificate of Live Birth, not a short-form Certification of Live Birth.

Now, when was it that Governor Abercrombie said Hawaii couldn’t make a copy of a long form?

Emperor Norton on April 17, 2011 at 12:27 PM

You may not think they should be, but they are. The Supreme Court, in effect, legalized anchor babies in the case US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), which originated in San Francisco.

Emperor Norton on April 16, 2011 at 2:55 PM

All that means is that the Supreme Court got it wrong. Wouldn’t be the first time.

DiogenesLamp on April 17, 2011 at 2:05 PM

“RobinMasters”, “Butterdezillion”, “Ladysforest”, and several other regular posters at Free Republic have been doing yeoman’s work on Obama’s eligibility scam, and their research – including trips to Hawaii by some – has unearthed invaluable information which has been presented in articulate, precise, and professional manners. DiogenesLamp, who posts outstanding comments there, as well as here, can also attest to the fine and dedicated work which has been presented there. They’ve been especially effective in the areas regarding the fancy footwork of the Hawaii Department of Health, and also in regards to the “birth announcements” listed in the Honolulu newspapers.

GGMac on April 16, 2011 at 10:37 PM

The degree of insight and effort on the part of those researchers you mention is indeed outstanding! I am honored to be named in the same paragraph, but other than putting forth logical arguments and repeating information that for the most part was originally discovered by others, I really don’t deserve any credit. About the best service I can claim is the willingness to fight and beat back the ridiculous arguments which our opponents keep trying to foist on the gullible public. But Thank you!

DiogenesLamp on April 17, 2011 at 2:14 PM

@ DiogenesLamp on April 17, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Ahhh, indeed… your debating skills, and requisite knowledge for the comeback, are exemplary. Glass is raised to you!

GGMac on April 17, 2011 at 7:43 PM

Jon Meacham is a filthy traitor.

adamsmith on April 18, 2011 at 6:52 AM

It’s one of the most antiquated and unnecessary parts of the Constitution

Bcs in the modern world, there are no more subversive enemies trying to take down govts & institutions from the inside.
There’s no more spies or anything like that. Al Quaida, etc, & other folks with rabid ideologies like, oh say, Communists, are no longer trying to turn America into another Eurotrash country. I mean, it’s not like any ideological group would be committed enough to planting a citizen in order to propel them to the White House to do damage to our Republic.//////////////////////////

AP-I usually just ignore your citified ignorance on certain topics.
But this is a disgusting way to look at the Const. IMHO.
I seriously have no doubts about your sanity anymore.
Nor your motives regarding this once fine Republican Democracy.
Dear God!

Badger40 on April 18, 2011 at 2:38 PM

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