All in: House passes Paul Ryan’s 2012 budget, 235-193

posted at 4:14 pm on April 15, 2011 by Allahpundit

It wasn’t quite party-line — four Republicans (Ron Paul among them) joined the Democrats in opposition — but it was awfully close, an amazing achievement for the House GOP given the potential toxicity of this vote. DCCC chief Steve Israel is already chortling that today’s roll will return Democrats to the majority, a distinct possibility once The One hones his Mediscaring technique on the stump. But that’s beside the point: This debate has to happen and there’s no other way to force it. Obama’s perfectly content to let the country’s finances continue to melt down as long as he gets reelected, something even his pal Alan Simpson now seems to recognize, so unless the “Gang of Six” pulls a rabbit out of its hat, this is it. If doing nothing to reduce the country’s catastrophic debt except lying about the rich’s capacity to pay it down turns out to be a big political winner for Democrats, then good luck to them. I’m sure they’ll do a fine job implementing America’s emergency austerity plan a few years from now.

Philip Klein gives credit where it’s due:

Traditionally, the obstacle to getting either party to embrace entitlement reform was that there was a risk to going on record as wanting to change these popular programs , while doing nothing was safe. However, at least for Republicans, that dynamic has shifted, and doing nothing is politically risky. And the credit for that development goes to the Tea Parties for putting pressure on Republicans to get serious about spending.

The Ryan budget will not become law in its current state as long as Obama is president. While the prevailing wisdom is that this vote could make Republicans more vulnerable in 2012, the flip side is that if Democrats pull out all the stops to demagogue the issue, and House Republicans hang on and the GOP even gains Senate seats, it will end the third-rail status of these entitlement programs that, if unchanged, will rob future generations of the American Dream.

There will be a lot of opportunities to criticize GOP leaders going forward, but today, they deserve a pat on the back.

I’d kill to know what serious centrist Democrats like Hoyer and Shuler and Mark Warner really think of Ryan’s plan. No doubt they have earnest concerns about parts of it — so do conservatives, frankly — but they also know the fiscal stakes and surely realize that the Lightbringer will have to be dragged kicking and screaming to the table to get him to act. Even the Gang of Six can’t believe that his response to the failure of the Deficit Commission is to … appoint another commission. But that’s what we elected. And given the tidal wave of demagoguery to come, he’s probably the guy we’ll elect again. Good luck, America.

Here’s Ryan’s floor speech today. The Democrats had some fun with him on an earlier vote by almost letting the Republican Study Committee’s even more conservative budget pass instead.


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That’s what he does, he gets pork put into bills for his district put in and then votes against them.

darwin-t on April 15, 2011 at 5:22 PM

Just so we’re clear, you can’t provide an instance where he voted for appropriations with pork in them. Right?

Just what I thought. A perfect example of one talking out of one’s arse.

And it is called serving one’s constituents. They ask him to request something, he does, and then votes against it. Much like how he voted against the Iraq War, but it is still his duty to try to get veterans who live in his district their VA benefits.

JohnGalt23 on April 15, 2011 at 5:31 PM

jp on April 15, 2011 at 5:26 PM

He “Voted for” the Pork, when he placed the Billions worth in the bills as he requested

He placed language in bills? Funny, I thought it was committee chairmen who were responsible for legislative language.

But of course, Dr. Paul must have voted for that language in committee then. So, of course, you can provide a link to that committee vote, right?

Or are you simply engaging in more rectum-speak.

(Actually, jp, that’s a trick question… we all know you are capable of nothing but talking out of your arse.)

JohnGalt23 on April 15, 2011 at 5:34 PM

He “Voted for” the Pork, when he placed the Billions worth in the bills as he requested, bills he knew would pass when he requested, defacto voting in favor of, his Pork….and last year against GOP orders.

Speaker Boehner, contrastingly, has never taken any Pork.

Thinking is your friend, try it sometime and avoid weird Cults like the Paul cult.

jp on April 15, 2011 at 5:26 PM

If I had to host you at a Tea, I would welcome you, in a subbtle fashion. I am trying my best to be welcoming; however, I have hit a snag.

jp, I refrain from posting to/fro with you because it is out of a multitude of political correctness that you have inadvertently exposed your panties.

Would you please. Check your panties and your spelling; remand yourself into the Statist Ministry of Truth and Plenty and then re-present yourself as a valid commenteer.

Thank you, Comrade.

Key West Reader on April 15, 2011 at 5:34 PM

JohnGalt23 on April 15, 2011 at 5:31 PM

again, thinking and understanding politics is your friend. Try it some time….Dear Cult Leader is a raging hypocrite who has helped steal Taxpayer dollars via Pork, something he endorses over and over and over.

meanwhile, honorable congressmen like Boehner and McCain have never stolen taxpayer dollars via Pork

jp on April 15, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Requesting Earmarks and placing them into bills is defacto, supporting Pork…especially in bills everyone knows will pass easily.

this isn’t hard to understand.

meanwhile, Over speaker Boehners very long career, he has never requested a single Earmark.

jp on April 15, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Requesting Earmarks and placing them into bills is defacto, supporting Pork

jp on April 15, 2011 at 5:37 PM

So, are you trying to tell me committee chairmen aren’t responsible for legislative language.

Once again, jp, like always, you are talking out of your arse. Try reading up on Congressional procedure.

JohnGalt23 on April 15, 2011 at 5:45 PM

JohnGalt23 on April 15, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Oh i know the process very well. If you support Pork, you Request Pork, and shamelessly attach it to bills that will pass no matter what.

Pelosi & Co. let Paul have 4 times as much pork as Marxist Sheila Jackson-lee of Houston last 2 yrs.

Last year, Ron Paul, despicably, requested tons of Pork against GOP orders.

Meanwhile, honorable Congressmen like Boehner has never requested a single Earmark.

jp on April 15, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Facts are, Ron Paul has made a career out of the worst, most corrupt kind of Deficit spending there is in Washington.

Even against GOP orders last yr during the GOP Self-Imposed Ban on Earmarks.

This is not “Purity”, it is the work of a Scoundrel.

jp on April 15, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Someone started drinking early after their Cornflakes were urinated in.

darwin-t on April 15, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Oh i know the process very well. If you support Pork, you Request Pork, and shamelessly attach it to bills that will pass no matter what.

jp on April 15, 2011 at 5:50 PM

If you know the process so well, describe the mechanism by which Dr. Paul “attched” that prok to bills, or admit that you cannot and are engaging in rectum-speak.

JohnGalt23 on April 15, 2011 at 6:10 PM

Even against GOP orders last yr during the GOP Self-Imposed Ban on Earmarks.

jp on April 15, 2011 at 5:58 PM

I’m sure you want your Congressman to take his/her orders from the GOP. Punks usually do.

JohnGalt23 on April 15, 2011 at 6:11 PM

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see

darwin-t on April 15, 2011 at 6:13 PM

Ron Paul is a kook, Paul Ryan talks a good game then votes the other way, Boner should just another limp noodle……sometimes I think we are screwed no matter what.

Big Orange on April 15, 2011 at 6:23 PM

an amazing achievement for the House GOP given the potential toxicity of this vote. DCCC chief Steve Israel is already chortling that today’s roll will return Democrats to the majority, a distinct possibility once The One hones his Mediscaring technique on the stump. But that’s beside the point: This debate has to happen and there’s no other way to force it. Obama’s perfectly content to let the country’s finances continue to melt down as long as he gets reelected, something even his pal Alan Simpson now seems to recognize, so unless the “Gang of Six” pulls a rabbit out of its hat, this is it. If doing nothing to reduce the country’s catastrophic debt except lying about the rich’s capacity to pay it down turns out to be a big political winner for Democrats, then good luck to them. I’m sure they’ll do a fine job implementing America’s emergency austerity plan a few years from now.

Allahpundit,

Just wanted to say that was top form political analysis with a delicious dose of snark. Well done, as you do it best!

Commenters here should be very concerned that “DCCC chief Steve Israel is already chortling that today’s roll will return Democrats to the majority, a distinct possibility once The One hones his Mediscaring technique on the stump.”

Its not like the Ryan budget is going to pass the Senate and get signed by Obama in anything like its present form, but “This debate has to happen and there’s no other way to force it.”

All too possible this may be a Pyrrhic victory.

cool breeze on April 15, 2011 at 6:26 PM

sometimes I think we are screwed no matter what.

Big Orange on April 15, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Glenn Beck says we are

darwin-t on April 15, 2011 at 6:35 PM

I told you last week, Ron Paul is crazy. Just plain crazy.

Mr. Grump on April 15, 2011 at 6:37 PM

I was listening to Nazi Pelosi call Ryan’s budget tax cuts for the rich and killing the poor.

I thought you had to pass the bill before you can find out what’s in the bill?

Which is it Nazi?

Kini on April 15, 2011 at 7:05 PM

If America elects Barack Hussein Obama than Glenn Beck is right – we are too stupid to learn and deserve wtf we get.

katablog.com on April 15, 2011 at 7:27 PM

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2011 at 4:44 PM

A Republican Majority in the Senate and House, can lead to Impeachment – not the mock blustery threatening kind of Impeachment. The kind that can be backed up with votes and action.

Dr Evil on April 15, 2011 at 7:43 PM

Ron Paul and pork

Ron Paul pork

The argument by the Paulbots is “He is just making sure that, IF those spending bills he votes against do pass, then some of the money paid by his constituents will come back to them”. This rhetoric can be found in your handy encyclopedia under ‘Disingenuous’. If you are going to claim principle, then stand on principle. Don’t do that which you condemn others for doing, while using a form that purports to allow you to keep your hands clean of your “Theft of the peoples’ money”.

The backup argument from his supporters is “This is peanuts, it doesn’t amount to one month’s worth of the cost of our military involvements”. So, that excuses underhanded and hypocritical behavior, because it’s just a little thing? Tell us what your definition of is, is.

And for those who would try and deflect blame to committee chairs, the earmark applications are on file.

Deny by any spin you wish to employ, when Paul condemns wealth redisitribution as unconstitutional and then seeks it while playing a “No I didn’t” game, he’s a hypocrite. If he would own up to using the system the same as those he decries, he wouldn’t be a hypocrite. But he would be no better than the others, either.

Freelancer on April 15, 2011 at 7:49 PM

yet another one of the Paul offsprings is considering running, apparently: Robert Paul, MD, of Fort Worth, TX. Looks like soon the elder Paul will have enough clones on the Capitol Hill to help him pass his own ‘balanced’ budget :-)…

http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/04/14/3002116/another-one-of-ron-pauls-children.html

jimver on April 15, 2011 at 8:25 PM

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