Boehner: I’m standing by the $38 billion number

posted at 1:36 pm on April 14, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

If anyone doubted John Boehner’s tenacity, his appearance on Laura Ingraham’s show today shows that he’s not afraid to defend himself. A clearly skeptical Ingraham walked Boehner through the objections raised on the Right over the AP’s report on CBO scoring, and Boehner doesn’t give an inch.  Ingraham’s staff highlighted the key passages, but the entire nine-minute interview is worth the time:

@0:10 – Boehner: We have $315 billion in spending that we’re going to cut over the next 10 years. And let’s not forget where we started this year. The president said no cuts from the current spending line. None! And the fact is we’re going to spend $78.5 billion less this year than what the president wanted to spend. And if Republicans had not won the majority in the House last year, I guarantee you we’d be spending $78.5 billion dollars more this year than we spent last.

On the CBO report saying only $353 million will be cut from the deficit this year:

@1:03 – Boehner: That is not an accurate figure because when you cut the spending some of it is going to occur this year and some of it is going to roll into next year.

@1:39 – Boehner: I fought for every dime of spending cuts I could get out of Harry Reid and President Obama.

@1:52 – Laura: The Wall Street Journal is calling it ‘Spending Cut Hokum;’ National Review says it no longer supports the deal.
Boehner: And the Weekly Standard says that these are real cuts, this is a deal worth taking and we ought to proceed. And this is the first step. There are going to be lots of fights over the next 18 months in terms of cutting spending and we need to get this one out of the way today and tomorrow is the next step.

@4:46 – Laura: You’re still standing by the $38 billion?
Boehner: Absolutely. I’ve got the numbers, and the $78.5 billion less than what the president wanted to spend.

Boehner also said he was “very disappointed” in Obama’s speech yesterday, and warned that on the debt-ceiling debate and spending cuts, “If the president won’t lead — we will.”

Boehner also got a boost from an unexpected corner today.  As Republicans on Capitol Hill try to push back against the AP report on the savings in the current budget deal, one ally in particular has ridden to their rescue.  Americans for Tax Reform usually represents the hard-line, no-taxes front of fiscal conservatism and would normally be more inclined to hammer the GOP for weakness on policy than defend them.  On this point, though, ATR says that the eruption of outrage over outlays is both misplaced and unfair:

First, the nit-picking on numbers is a result of conflation between how the government budgets and how it spends money.  The entire FY 2011 budget discussion has revolved around the government’s Budget Authority (BA), the permission given to government to spend money. Thus, the House-passed H.R.1 cut $61 billion in BA for the fiscal year, while H.R. 1473 cuts almost $40 billion.

Some are arguing now that because these cuts are not reflected in outlays, or the money that actually goes out the door, they are not “real.” This is not only disingenuous, it is totally ignorant of the way the federal government budgets.

What’s more, it is an entirely nonsensical conservative position to argue that rescinding permission to spend money does not equate to spending cuts. To reform the federal budget process, small government advocates need to address the way government spends money – as the process is driven by BA, and not outlays, it is unhelpful to discuss budget-cutting in terms of outlays. It is especially malevolent to do so now in the eleventh hour of the budget fight that has revolved entirely around a discussion of BA for FY 2011.

In part, this was caused by ambiguous goal setting by the GOP, but even that has its own context.  It’s true that the debate is, as always, on authorizations; it’s up to the agencies to determine when, how, and if all of the money authorized gets spent.  The GOP didn’t do a terribly good job of explaining the difference during the last few months, though the difference only matters because of the failure of the Democrats to pass an FY2011 budget in the first place.  The budget cutting that Republicans promised was supposed to apply to the FY2012 budget, which will be a lot easier to address before the fiscal year is already half-over, as FY2011 already is.

Some are also complaining that spending actually increases as a result of the budget deal, which ATR calls “utterly disingenuous”:

More reports argue that the current CR will actually increase spending above last year’s levels. This is also untrue, and an entirely disingenuous argument to make – it relies on this chart, released from CBO, which scores the outlay levels in H.R. 1473 as a $3 billion increase over the current CR’s outlays. Looking back at the outlay scores provided for the previous continuing resolutions passed this year, it is immediately obvious that the outlays are an inconsistent and inappropriate metric – indeed, the CR currently funding government constitutes a $8 billion increase over the previous CR when only outlays are considered.

Meanwhile, the Hill reports that the deal appears to have enough votes at the moment to pass in both chambers, although the Senate looks close:

While there will be defections on the right and left, Capitol Hill sources believe the funding bill for the remainder of fiscal 2011 will clear both chambers. The Senate vote, however, is expected to be more of a cliffhanger than the House vote. Sixty votes are required in the Senate as opposed to a simple majority in the House.

The last-minute pushback against the reporting on the CBO scoring may help provide enough of a margin for Boehner to deliver, but it will be nail-biting time for the Speaker this afternoon.


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When’s the vote again?

RachDubya on April 14, 2011 at 1:40 PM

Mathematically illiterate and dumb as a post. After the 2006 debacle, this guy should have been thrown out along with his tanning bed.

We are so Boehned.

TexasJew on April 14, 2011 at 1:40 PM

Of course you are.

halfastro on April 14, 2011 at 1:41 PM

Boehner is not credible. If he had ever intended to cut 100 billion he would have opened negotiations with 200.

FloatingRock on April 14, 2011 at 1:42 PM

Let’s get the vote over and get on with the Ryan Budget…

Time for the Republicans to lead or get replaced and discarded onto the ash heap of history…

Khun Joe on April 14, 2011 at 1:43 PM

Fool me once, shame on you.

Fool me twice, shame on me.

Suck it, Boehner.

fossten on April 14, 2011 at 1:44 PM

Boehner is either incompetent or a RINO.

If he is NOT a RINO, the Boehner still does not belong in a leadership position, because he has demonstrated that he can be totally “rolled” in a negotiation where he had the upper hand. Neither we conservatives nor the nation can afford this kind of “check” against a rabid, out-of-control, socialist cabal.

landlines on April 14, 2011 at 1:45 PM

“If the president won’t lead — we will.”

Sure you will little Johnny/

And you too can be primaried.

Knucklehead on April 14, 2011 at 1:46 PM

I’m sorry but there are only 2 possibilities.

Boehner deliberately agreed to cuts he knew weren’t real and amounted to only 350 million, then lied claiming that they were almost 40 Billion.

Or

He’s incompetent.

Which is more comforting?

lm10001 on April 14, 2011 at 1:46 PM

Translation:

“It is because I said it is. Go clean your room.”

portlandon on April 14, 2011 at 1:46 PM

Don’t try to BS us John. Trust me, it’ll come back to bite you in the tookus.

UltimateBob on April 14, 2011 at 1:47 PM

This moron can’t even count.

tetriskid on April 14, 2011 at 1:49 PM

Boehner is full of BS and whoever wrote the stuff about BA, has not the slightest idea about fed gov spending. All you cna compare are outlays vs. outlays, everything else is an attempt by pols to hide spending. This deal does not cut 38 billion, it may not cut anything and in any case,the deal should be transparent, and clearly it is not. Boehner is just another DC pol trying to BS us

georgealbert on April 14, 2011 at 1:49 PM

Ironically, the Titanic hit an iceberg on this date.

tree hugging sister on April 14, 2011 at 1:50 PM

Americans for Tax Reform usually represents the hard-line, no-taxes front of fiscal conservatism and would normally be more inclined to hammer the GOP for weakness on policy than defend them.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and propose that these people might just know more about how this works than the people that have been feeding us the small numbers.

Count to 10 on April 14, 2011 at 1:51 PM

If anyone doubted John Boehner’s tenacity, his appearance on Laura Ingraham’s show today shows that he’s not afraid to defend himself.

Against conservatives. He’s not so good in dealing with Democrats. Course John McCain wasn’t either. It seems like a problem most RINO’s have.

On the CBO report saying only $353 million will be cut from the deficit this year:

@1:03 – Boehner: That is not an accurate figure because when you cut the spending some of it is going to occur this year and some of it is going to roll into next year.

In other words it is accurate?

sharrukin on April 14, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Who are you going to believe- me, or your lyin’ eyes?

rogerb on April 14, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Me: Crying John, It’s rainy and 37 degrees outside. Kind of a crappy day huh?

Crying John: What do you mean? It’s 80 and sunny.

Me: Dude it’s raining, you’re getting soaked. You can see your breath when you speak since it’s so cold.

Crying John: Huh? I see nothing but blue skies. I’m going to spend the day at the beach.

angryed on April 14, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Again,

Even if we win the PR war, we are only going to be able to get away with one shutdown. My guess is this bad deal was the last deal the Dems would make. Keep in mind, the Democrats are convinced they would win the PR war over the shutdown, so they had no incentive to offer much more.

So, where do you want it? Here and now, over a largely symbolic vote, or where it really matters?

Sekhmet on April 14, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Boehner: I fought for every dime of spending cuts I could get out of Harry Reid and President Obama.

And that’s what you got–dimes.

Emperor Norton on April 14, 2011 at 1:54 PM

If anyone doubted John Boehner’s tenacity

I doubt:

His math counting skills

His ability to stand up to the Wrecking Ball in the Oval.

His backbone

His real desire to grow the Federal Government and the power of the GOP.

That he is really sincere about defunding Obamacare.

If the GOP can’t stand up and cut the small stuff how are they going to have any spine about doing the big stuff.

On the other hand, maybe if we just let the Progressives do what they want for the next 647 days we can fix it all after January 20, 2013………..NOT.

PappyD61 on April 14, 2011 at 1:57 PM

Boehner is not credible. If he had ever intended to cut 100 billion he would have opened negotiations with 200.

FloatingRock on April 14, 2011 at 1:42 PM

No politician is credible anymore. They can’t admit that reducing the growth of something is not actually cutting it. I trimmed some limbs off a tree the other day. I didn’t cut it down, it’s still growing; just not like it was before. This dishonesty is killing us. They may as well say they are going to cut a quadrillion in spending. Eventually, over a long enough period of time the number they actually agreed on will compound to a point where that statement is true. Sure, it may take a few millenia…

rmel80 on April 14, 2011 at 1:57 PM

So, where do you want it? Here and now, over a largely symbolic vote, or where it really matters?

Sekhmet on April 14, 2011 at 1:54 PM

They have already said that Ryan’s budget is DOA and that they are caving on the debt limit so what battle are you talking about?

sharrukin on April 14, 2011 at 1:57 PM

The Republican Party is so long in the tooth they’re like old ‘rats.

…D’rats.

FloatingRock on April 14, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Well, you do that, John. I wouldn’t expect anything less.

Against conservatives. He’s not so good in dealing with Democrats. Course John McCain wasn’t either. It seems like a problem most RINO’s have.
sharrukin on April 14, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Exactly. It’s the RINO “tell.” Who do they attack first and most? Where and against whom do they show their “courage”?

rrpjr on April 14, 2011 at 1:58 PM

THE REALLY SCARY PART?…………

……Paul Ryan seemed surprised that Obama was like he was yesterday during the speech.

IF it’s actually true that Ryan was surprised then the GOP Leadership is completely lost without a compass and the entire leadership should all be forced out of their positions.

PAGING TEA PARTY FRESHMAN!!!!! HELLLLLLLO?

PappyD61 on April 14, 2011 at 2:00 PM

OT….
THIS should be good. :)

Sarah Palin to speak at the Tea Party Rally in Madison WI this Saturday.

tencole on April 14, 2011 at 2:01 PM

If Boehner were smart he would insist that tea partiers and other conservatives vote against the sham bill to avoid splitting the base. He should find the votes elsewhere or go back to the drawing board. Otherwise he is going to be a historical figure of the wrong kind.

FloatingRock on April 14, 2011 at 2:01 PM

lm10001 on April 14, 2011 at 1:46 PM

Or he really believes those numbers

SouthernGent on April 14, 2011 at 2:02 PM

I wouldn’t go so far as to call Crying John a RINO. He’s a conservative. But he’s a poor negotiator who got schooled by the left and isn’t man enough to admit defeat.

angryed on April 14, 2011 at 2:02 PM

NOTE TO PAUL RYAN.

Friend……you are wasting your time in these theatrics.

The Progressive infested GOP leadership is going to throw you under the bus. Please don’t surprised when this happens.

PappyD61 on April 14, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Boehner: We have $315 billion in spending that we’re going to cut over the next 10 years.

Is that a typo?

We are spending what, $3T a year now?

Hellooo!

Akzed on April 14, 2011 at 2:03 PM

I think I’m gonna stand behind the next guy that primaries him.

Socmodfiscon on April 14, 2011 at 2:03 PM

I wouldn’t go so far as to call Crying John a RINO. He’s a conservative. But he’s a poor negotiator who got schooled by the left and isn’t man enough to admit defeat.

angryed on April 14, 2011 at 2:02 PM

You’re right, but honestly he’s so weak it amounts to the same thing.

sharrukin on April 14, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Did anyone trashing Boehner actually read what those at ATR said about the budget deal?

changer1701 on April 14, 2011 at 2:05 PM

Boehners talking Billions…

… Our problem is in the Trillions.

Seven Percent Solution on April 14, 2011 at 2:09 PM

Rush is talking about this right now.

kingsjester on April 14, 2011 at 2:09 PM

Did anyone trashing Boehner actually read what those at ATR said about the budget deal?

changer1701 on April 14, 2011 at 2:05 PM

Why? Because ATR’s opinion settles all discussion on the matter?

Please.

portlandon on April 14, 2011 at 2:12 PM

So you’re telling me Tea Partiers overreacted to the deal?

Wow. I’m shocked. Next you’ll be telling me something really surprising, like Obama gave a speech on the deficit that was devoid of substance and long on demagoguery.

Vyce on April 14, 2011 at 2:17 PM

So, where do you want it? Here and now, over a largely symbolic vote, or where it really matters?

Sekhmet on April 14, 2011 at 1:54 PM

If we can’t even get close to a win on something as “symbolic” and minor as this what makes you think we will be able to “lead”, or whatever BS Boehner is throwing out there, on the big issues that really matter?

LtBarnwell02 on April 14, 2011 at 2:22 PM

Primary. His. Ass.

mojo on April 14, 2011 at 2:25 PM

We cannot win this spending fight with one punch. It will take a steady stream of jabs and counter punches. And we will have to win back the White House in 2012. Those who want to win it in one punch are not credible and will only hurt our chances winning back the Presidency.

To put it another way, if the Republicans engage in a circle firing squad, we will end up in the minority with Obama in the White House for four more years.

RedSoxNation on April 14, 2011 at 2:27 PM

I see there is a lot of “spin” out there in these numbers.

Let me just say … that the GOP PLEDGED to cut $100B if we put them in the majority.

And let me just say – that Boehner re-itereated this in February at CPAC – where he said … “WRITE THIS DOWN! WE ARE CUTTING $100B FROM THIS BUDGET!”

Regardless of the “spin” between $38B or $15B or $347 MILLION – none of these numbers even comes close to $100 BILLION – which is what the Republicans pledged and John Boehner promised!

HondaV65 on April 14, 2011 at 2:30 PM

Primary. His. Ass.

mojo

You.Are.Stupid.

Seriously, how can you expect the House Leader to do any more than he has when he only controls one-half of Congress. I would bet that you were one of the people who advocated for O’Donnell when there was no chance of her winning. Now you want to push out one of the Republicans most effective legislators.

Circle Firing Squads accomplish nothing.

RedSoxNation on April 14, 2011 at 2:32 PM

To put it another way, if the Republicans engage in a circle firing squad, we will end up in the minority with Obama in the White House for four more years.

RedSoxNation on April 14, 2011 at 2:27 PM

The alternative, a GOP White House … is better?

I don’t know if you’ve been keeping up on current events – but the GOP looks incredibly clownish right now. Additionally, they LIE … just like Obama does.

Six to one … half dozen to another.

HondaV65 on April 14, 2011 at 2:32 PM

If anyone doubted John Boehner’s tenacity

If only he was as tenacious with the budget as he is with any conservatives who question him.

Clark1 on April 14, 2011 at 2:33 PM

You.Are.Stupid.

Seriously, how can you expect the House Leader to do any more than he has when he only controls one-half of Congress. I would bet that you were one of the people who advocated for O’Donnell when there was no chance of her winning. Now you want to push out one of the Republicans most effective legislators.

Circle Firing Squads accomplish nothing.

RedSoxNation on April 14, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Only a Red Sox fan could be this stupid.

tetriskid on April 14, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Seriously, how can you expect the House Leader to do any more than he has when he only controls one-half of Congress.

RedSoxNation on April 14, 2011 at 2:32 PM

They control the purse strings. They have all the power they need.

If they are too gutless to use the power they have, why should we give them more?

sharrukin on April 14, 2011 at 2:39 PM

Note also Boehner is reneging on the ‘post bills 72 hours before vote’ pledge. See his weasel response in the audio.

Clark1 on April 14, 2011 at 2:42 PM

Boehner: We have $315 billion in spending that we’re going to cut over the next 10 years.

Boehner: I fought for every dime of spending cuts I could get out of Harry Reid and President Obama.

OMGoodness. $315 over 10 years?! We need to cut $500 billion a year…or more.

And all of his courageous fighting against Reid and Obama only reminds us how impotent the Speaker is without control of the Senate or Presidency.

He’s powerless, and apparently feckless.

Jaibones on April 14, 2011 at 2:43 PM

It’s all smoke and mirrors. When you have to come up with “explanations” as to why this is really a cut -it is not a cut.

Either program “X” gets $10 less this year than last year, or it gets the same or more. It is not rocket science, no matter how murky these people try to make it.

And, his claim that it’s $78 billion less than Obama wanted to spend? Please. So if Obama comes in asking to increase teh budget by $10 trillion, and we only increase it by $5 trillion, that’s a win? That’s not a cut.

NOT A CUT. THERE ARE NO REAL CUTs. There is only smoke and mirrors.

Monkeytoe on April 14, 2011 at 2:43 PM

They control the purse strings. They have all the power they need.

If they are too gutless to use the power they have, why should we give them more?

sharrukin on April 14, 2011 at 2:39 PM

+$100 Billion in cuts.

Pattosensei on April 14, 2011 at 2:51 PM

Got a question for folks still on this thread:

Without a government shutdown, exactly how would you get bigger cuts?

Sekhmet on April 14, 2011 at 2:57 PM

Well, the weird thing is that Bachmann and Kucinich will both probably vote no…he because the cuts are too steep and she because they are not steep enough.

I wonder about the CBO report and the AP analysis coming out at the last minute like this. I wonder if someone is trying to kill the deal and cause chaos and division among the Republicans.

The problem is that this year is a done deal, we can’t do that much about this now. And if we shut down the government, we still won’t have a budget and nothing is resolved.

Terrye on April 14, 2011 at 2:57 PM

Talk’s cheap. If they won’t use their power of the purse, all the talk in the world is worthless.

Boehner has just made his credibility a lot more iffy.

hachiban on April 14, 2011 at 2:58 PM

We have the wrong person in the Speaker’s seat people. We’ve got a Career Hack, part of the entrenched “old guard” who fears the new energy and personnel we gifted him with in the midterms.

Not only does he not WANT to use the new assets we gave him, he doesn’t know how….it’s not in his DNA.

Keep the pressure on ‘ol Boner….would love to see him step down for the good of his party and his country.

Tim_CA on April 14, 2011 at 2:59 PM

I know it’s hard… but you are really not getting it!

You people are so overly emotional about politics we are never going to get anything done!

How can you let the AP manipulate you like this? Use your heads!

How would Boehner benefit from a lie like he is being accused of? How? He wouldn’t, that’s how!

Think about who benefits from getting you all riled up? Some on the left and some on the right. You are puddy in their hands!

How do the enemies of cutting the budget and saving this country benefit if you turn on Boehner? How does Obama benefit from you turning on Boehner? So where do these reports come from.

Stop letting people manipulate you. Stop jumping every time they say jump!

Stop being so predictably led by the AP and the rest. They are laughing their heads off at their success. They fooled the NR.

National Review really embarrassed themselves on this. They showed themselves too unsophisticated to understand the budget system.

petunia on April 14, 2011 at 3:03 PM

petunia on April 14, 2011 at 3:03 PM

LMAO.

Post Lite! All Opinion….no facts.

I’m gonna be hungry in 5 minutes.

Tim_CA on April 14, 2011 at 3:05 PM

petunia on April 14, 2011 at 3:03 PM

You’re reposting your comment across threads now?

What about Boehner’s loss of credibility vis-a-vis the original promise of $100 BILLION in cuts? Does he get a pass for that from you?

fossten on April 14, 2011 at 3:07 PM

Without a government shutdown, exactly how would you get bigger cuts?

Sekhmet on April 14, 2011 at 2:57 PM

You wouldn’t.

If you are not willing to use the power you have and are able to make a credible threat then you are going to get nothing. Nothing is essentially what they got.

Without a government shutdown, exactly how would the GOP enact Ryan’s budget? They won’t.

Without a government shutdown, exactly how would the GOP force cuts in the upcoming budget? They won’t.

Without risking a government default, exactly how would the GOP refuse to raise the debt ceiling? They won’t.

If you aren’t willing to use the power you have you get nothing.

sharrukin on April 14, 2011 at 3:12 PM

aka “that’s my story, and I’m sticking to it” combined with “are you going to believe me or your own lying eyes?”

Midas on April 14, 2011 at 3:16 PM

Six to one … half dozen to another.

HondaV65 on April 14, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Proof that you are simply a f@#$ing idiot.

Midas on April 14, 2011 at 3:20 PM

Proof that you are simply a f@#$ing idiot.

Midas on April 14, 2011 at 3:20 PM

Why, because he judges people on their actions rather than BS promises?

sharrukin on April 14, 2011 at 3:22 PM

Without a government shutdown, exactly how would the GOP enact Ryan’s budget? They won’t.

Without a government shutdown, exactly how would the GOP force cuts in the upcoming budget? They won’t.

Without risking a government default, exactly how would the GOP refuse to raise the debt ceiling? They won’t.

If you aren’t willing to use the power you have you get nothing.

sharrukin on April 14, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Okay, so on which one of these three things should we shut the government down? We only get one shot at it.

Sekhmet on April 14, 2011 at 3:25 PM

Okay, so on which one of these three things should we shut the government down? We only get one shot at it.

Sekhmet on April 14, 2011 at 3:25 PM

You get NONE OF THEM.

That’s what you get.
They aren’t going to fight.

sharrukin on April 14, 2011 at 3:31 PM

petunia on April 14, 2011 at 3:03 PM

“overly emotional”? Physician heal thyself.

Boehner’s “deal” has been systematically and objectively deconstructed.

He has failed to appreciate or exercise the great reservoir of support for a total philosophical reappraisal of government spending. Instead he self-limited himself — and degraded the entire cause which led to November’s election — to a fixed number which he kept adjusting downward and which in the end proved illusory anyway. He failed to address Obamacare funding at all, a driving force behind the majority he did very little to earn.

It would have been better if he’d just caved to Obama at the outset rather than draw us through an exhaustive negotiation leading to a spurious “victory.” Time and again the tea party and its purposes have been misrepresented as unreasoning and “extreme” when in fact it has simply proved resistant to the old cons and smokescreens. This is what pises off Boehner the most. We’re simply not settling for the old bogosities.

rrpjr on April 14, 2011 at 3:32 PM

You get NONE OF THEM.

That’s what you get.
They aren’t going to fight.

sharrukin on April 14, 2011 at 3:31 PM

So, Boehner was to toss the shutdown card right now, leaving himself unable to use it in the future, to prove he can fight?

Sekhmet on April 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM

So, where do you want it? Here and now, over a largely symbolic vote, or where it really matters?

Sekhmet on April 14, 2011 at 1:54 PM

And we’re told the debt ceiling really matters…and then we’ll be told taht the 2012 elections really matter…and we’ll keep kicking the can down the road until we no longer have a republic left to save.

At what point does Congress hold a vote that “really matters?”

gryphon202 on April 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM

At what point does Congress hold a vote that “really matters?”

gryphon202 on April 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM

Best question I’ve heard all day.

Tim_CA on April 14, 2011 at 3:43 PM

So, Boehner was to toss the shutdown card right now, leaving himself unable to use it in the future, to prove he can fight?

Sekhmet on April 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM

The cards don’t do you any good if you won’t lay them down.

sharrukin on April 14, 2011 at 3:46 PM

So, Boehner was to toss the shutdown card right now, leaving himself unable to use it in the future, to prove he can fight?

Sekhmet on April 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM

That’s a pretty big assumption, Sek. On what basis do you think that he will use “the shutdown card” when it really matters (to you)?

The truth of the matter is that Boehner promised us something that he didn’t deliver on. And he didn’t just break that promise once — he broke it numerous times every time the amount of the “cut” was pared down even further, until the amount he finally cut from this year’s budget (352 million) will literally keep the government going for a fraction of a second.

This wasn’t a caluculated ploy by Boehner to pick his battles. This is John “Crybaby” Boehner chickening out when we the people depended on him. Not a month from not, not a year from now, but NOW. And if you really believe we need more time to solve the spending problem properly, then you are part of the problem.

gryphon202 on April 14, 2011 at 3:46 PM

OK, I’ll admit being a simpleton when it comes to Washington’s ways. So how ’bout for us imbeciles in flyover country we just line up the numbers so’s even us can understand them:

(1)What we actually spend this year
(2)What we actually spent last year

Subtract (2) from (1)
If the results are <$0, then we spent less money
If the results are >$0, then we spent more money

Real easy. No phantom cuts of appropriations that couldn’t be spent; no more cutting back on future appropriations and counting them in the current year. Only in DC can you spend more this year than last and claim you’ve saved money. It’s all making me reconsider who the real imbeciles are.

in_awe on April 14, 2011 at 3:46 PM

Only in DC can you spend more this year than last and claim you’ve saved money. It’s all making me reconsider who the real imbeciles are.

in_awe on April 14, 2011 at 3:46 PM

But we need to pick our battles. Now is not the right time to threaten a government shutdown, cause we need to save that card for when it really matters. We can keep kicking the can down the road and hope like all-sh!t that the rest of the world doesn’t decide out of the blue one day that the USD is utterly worthless.

/CrybabyBoehner

gryphon202 on April 14, 2011 at 3:49 PM

So, Boehner was to toss the shutdown card right now, leaving himself unable to use it in the future, to prove he can fight?

Sekhmet on April 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM

It’s too late. We’re stuck. But Boehner’s cover is blown. There never was a “shutdown card.” We all learned something, and we’re tucking the lesson away for 2012.

rrpjr on April 14, 2011 at 3:49 PM

If anyone doubted John Boehner’s tenacity, his appearance on Laura Ingraham’s show today shows that he’s not afraid to defend himself.

Like all of our “moderate” Republican friends, they do very well at defending themselves against fellow Republicans. It’s when they come up against Democrats that they are impotent.

RJL on April 14, 2011 at 3:49 PM

At what point does Congress hold a vote that “really matters?”

gryphon202 on April 14, 2011 at 3:41 PM

Ever play Spades, when your partner is going nil? If he looked kinda worried passing you the Ace of Spades, you don’t go throwing it out at the first opportunity unless he threw the King. Your opponents would love to goad you into it, though.

Sekhmet on April 14, 2011 at 3:50 PM

What in the bloody-blue-hell kind of conservative thinks that it’s a good thing that Boehner caved to the Democrats?! In what world is what Boehner did, anything other than caving to the Democrats? How could John “The Crying Man” Boehner cave to the Democrats and be seen as a shrewd, strong political operative for it?

Wishful thinking much, people?

gryphon202 on April 14, 2011 at 3:51 PM

Ever play Spades, when your partner is going nil? If he looked kinda worried passing you the Ace of Spades, you don’t go throwing it out at the first opportunity unless he threw the King. Your opponents would love to goad you into it, though.

Sekhmet on April 14, 2011 at 3:50 PM

This isn’t a card game, genius. We’re already printing worthless money and running up debt faster than at any other time in the history of our Republic. Care to answer my question and tell me which vote really matters? And are you going to have crow ready to eat when Crybaby Boehner caves on that one, too?

gryphon202 on April 14, 2011 at 3:52 PM

Wishful thinking much, people?

gryphon202 on April 14, 2011 at 3:51 PM

And let’s not forget the way he “Brilliantly” told the Dem’s in advance that he wouldn’t shut down the Government.

Boner’s the only guy I know who probably pays OVER sticker price for a car.

Tim_CA on April 14, 2011 at 3:55 PM

Boner’s the only guy I know who probably pays OVER sticker price for a car.

Tim_CA on April 14, 2011 at 3:55 PM

No, actually he has YOU paying over sticker price for HIS car.

sharrukin on April 14, 2011 at 3:58 PM

This isn’t a card game, genius. We’re already printing worthless money and running up debt faster than at any other time in the history of our Republic. Care to answer my question and tell me which vote really matters? And are you going to have crow ready to eat when Crybaby Boehner caves on that one, too?

gryphon202 on April 14, 2011 at 3:52 PM

I’ll be happy to eat crow if we don’t end up with something Ryan or Rand Paul-ish as the plan for the 2012 budget onwards. My point is that we can’t shut the government down multiple times, and expect a Congressional Class of 2012 who will carry it forward. I’d much rather see us go into the negotiations for the 2012 budget able to say, “gee, we’ve been reasonable on the other two funding battles, but these jackwagons ain’t rational. *sigh* Looks like a shutdown is *back of hand to head* sadly inevitable if we don’t get something serious here.”

Sekhmet on April 14, 2011 at 3:58 PM

No, actually he has YOU paying over sticker price for HIS car.

sharrukin on April 14, 2011 at 3:58 PM

LMAO!

Point taken!

Tim_CA on April 14, 2011 at 3:59 PM

You people are allowing yourselves to be pawns of the left.

Who benefits from you turning on Boehner?

That’s your enemy. Not Boehner.

And I think that 100 billion was meant for the 2012 budget. This is bonus. This is last year’s budget.

The AP tried to trick us out of this budget… fortunately there were enough people in the House who understood what happened that they didn’t succeed in the sabotage.

Anyone who withdrew their vote based on an AP report is a leaf blowing in the wind.

petunia on April 14, 2011 at 4:05 PM

I’ll be happy to eat crow if we don’t end up with something Ryan or Rand Paul-ish as the plan for the 2012 budget onwards. My point is that we can’t shut the government down multiple times, and expect a Congressional Class of 2012 who will carry it forward.

Sekhmet on April 14, 2011 at 3:58 PM

No, I think your point is that you are uncomfortable with the idea of shutting down the government multiple times. It is only politically untenable insofar as Crybaby Boehner and other long-time establishment figures don’t want a repeat of the 1995 PR disaster.

What they, and you, seem to be forgetting is that in 1995, even under Bill Clinton, we were not running up debt at a rate unprecedented in our national history, nor were we fueling potential hyperinflation with “quantitative easing” to print essentially worthless money.

We’re hanging in the balance as a nation. Right now. Not a month or a year from now — but right now. So are you going to continue to dance around my question, or are you going to tell me what vote counts enough to you to warrant the only government shutdown you think the Republican leadership should threaten?

gryphon202 on April 14, 2011 at 4:06 PM

Definitions:

Boner: A blooper, a small mistake having an amusing effect

Boehner: A huge mistake having a devastating effect!!

landlines on April 14, 2011 at 4:07 PM

You people are allowing yourselves to be pawns of the left.

Who benefits from you turning on Boehner?

That’s your enemy. Not Boehner.

petunia on April 14, 2011 at 4:05 PM

Boehner made a promise. And not just to his voting constituents, but to all of us. And he didn’t deliver. He caved. Until recently, I used to think that the whole “Republicans and Democrats are just the same” line was a load of bullsh!t. Now I need convincing that they actually are different.

The American people are getting played like an orchestra full of cheap violins, and the ones who don’t seem to care are part of the problem.

gryphon202 on April 14, 2011 at 4:08 PM

What in the bloody-blue-hell kind of conservative thinks that it’s a good thing that Boehner caved to the Democrats?! In what world is what Boehner did, anything other than caving to the Democrats? How could John “The Crying Man” Boehner cave to the Democrats and be seen as a shrewd, strong political operative for it?

Wishful thinking much, people?

gryphon202 on April 14, 2011 at 3:51 PM

In what world do conservatives take their opinion from the AP? The same AP who in the same week told us GE is voluntarily paying millions (billions?) in undue taxes?

How gullible can you be?

petunia on April 14, 2011 at 4:08 PM

Anyone else remember Gary Larson’s famous “Boneless Chicken Ranch” cartoon. Don’t know why, but it just came to mind as I read this article…

http://goldstarfamilysupport.com/announcements/northwood-memorial.asp

in_awe on April 14, 2011 at 4:10 PM

Oops! Ctrl V failed me that time! Here is the Boneless Chicken Ranch cartoon:

http://s674.photobucket.com/albums/vv101/Konradius5/Gary%20Larson%20Comics/?action=view&current=BonelessChickenRanch.jpg&sort=ascending

in_awe on April 14, 2011 at 4:11 PM

In what world do conservatives take their opinion from the AP? The same AP who in the same week told us GE is voluntarily paying millions (billions?) in undue taxes?

How gullible can you be?

petunia on April 14, 2011 at 4:08 PM

And what dimension must you come from to think that I am incapable of forming my own opinions independent of the AP? In case you haven’t figured it out yet, I am genuinely pissed — and mostly at Speaker “Crybaby” Boehner. Those of you support him in his spinelessness mostly sadden me.

gryphon202 on April 14, 2011 at 4:11 PM

How gullible can you be?

petunia on April 14, 2011 at 4:08 PM

Boehner confirmed that it was only $353 million this year.
Read the article.

sharrukin on April 14, 2011 at 4:12 PM

“we had a NICE meeting with the president in the oval office”

HOW can an honest sincere conservative Republican have a nice meeting with a man who is systematically working to trash you and the country and is all but an admitted socialist???

Boehner doesn’t have a fire in his belly…maybe not a RINO yet but heading in that direction. NOT really fighting and if he is he suffers from the old familiar Republican disease lackacommunicationitis.

highninside on April 14, 2011 at 4:17 PM

Without a government shutdown, exactly how would the GOP enact Ryan’s budget? They won’t.

Without a government shutdown, exactly how would the GOP force cuts in the upcoming budget? They won’t.

Without risking a government default, exactly how would the GOP refuse to raise the debt ceiling? They won’t.

If you aren’t willing to use the power you have you get nothing.

sharrukin on April 14, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Sometimes I wonder if it’s a setup. Either one of the three happens and George Soros and the progs trigger their attack on the US economy in order to collapse the nation and blame it on Republicans.

slickwillie2001 on April 14, 2011 at 4:18 PM

Boehner doesn’t have a fire in his belly…maybe not a RINO yet but heading in that direction. NOT really fighting and if he is he suffers from the old familiar Republican disease lackacommunicationitis.

highninside on April 14, 2011 at 4:17 PM

I think it’s worse than that.

gryphon202 on April 14, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Sometimes I wonder if it’s a setup. Either one of the three happens and George Soros and the progs trigger their attack on the US economy in order to collapse the nation and blame it on Republicans.

slickwillie2001 on April 14, 2011 at 4:18 PM

It’s just a matter of time. One day, some government official somewhere is going to make a decision to dump the USD as their reserve currency. Once that decision is made public, other countries will follow until the rest of the world is back on the gold standard and America goes back to a barter economy after suffering worse hyperinflation than at any other time in the history of money.

gryphon202 on April 14, 2011 at 4:20 PM

slickwillie2001 on April 14, 2011 at 4:18 PM

If we don’t do something we get the same result.

I do think we are dealing with a lot of things that are being done behind the scenes the nature of which we can’t know.

sharrukin on April 14, 2011 at 4:21 PM

No, I think your point is that you are uncomfortable with the idea of shutting down the government multiple times. It is only politically untenable insofar as Crybaby Boehner and other long-time establishment figures don’t want a repeat of the 1995 PR disaster.

What they, and you, seem to be forgetting is that in 1995, even under Bill Clinton, we were not running up debt at a rate unprecedented in our national history, nor were we fueling potential hyperinflation with “quantitative easing” to print essentially worthless money.

We’re hanging in the balance as a nation. Right now. Not a month or a year from now — but right now. So are you going to continue to dance around my question, or are you going to tell me what vote counts enough to you to warrant the only government shutdown you think the Republican leadership should threaten?

gryphon202 on April 14, 2011 at 4:06 PM

I keep saying, if the Dems ain’t serious on the 2012 budget, shut ‘er down. Funny thing, though. I suspect if we keep this card going into the 2012 negotiations, there’s gonna be a whole lotta serious breaking out all of a sudden…

Sekhmet on April 14, 2011 at 5:47 PM

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