CBO: Last week’s $38 billion budget deal only reduces this year’s deficit by … $352 million; Update: GOP leaders lobbying for votes

posted at 6:25 pm on April 13, 2011 by Allahpundit

Tomorrow’s House vote is going to be epic, my friends. Epic.

The Congressional Budget Office estimate shows that compared with current spending rates the spending bill due for a House vote Thursday would pare just $352 million from the deficit through Sept. 30. About $8 billion in cuts to domestic programs and foreign aid are offset by nearly equal increases in defense spending…

A separate CBO analysis provided to lawmakers but not released publicly says that $5.7 billion in savings claimed by cutting bonuses to states enrolling more children and reducing the amount of money available to subsidize health care cooperatives authorized under the new health care law won’t produce a dime of actual savings. CBO believes they are simply cuts to spending authority that is unlikely to be used anyway.

But those cuts to mandatory benefit programs, while producing no deficit savings, can be claimed under budget rules to pay for spending increases elsewhere in the legislation. All told, $17.8 million in such savings is claimed but just a tiny portion of it would actually reduce the deficit…

Still, the measure halts and begins to reverse large increases for domestic agency operating budgets that have been awarded during Obama’s first two years in office.

The deal does eliminate $38 billion in “new spending authority,” but as we learned yesterday in agonizing detail, spending “authority” and actual spending are two very different things. So to sum up: In less than a week, we’ve gone from $61 billion in cuts to $38 billion in cuts to $15 billion in real cuts to $352 million in deficit reduction this year, which is less than one percent of the number agreed to in the budget deal. I can’t help but suspect that tea partiers might feel a tad … antsy about that trend.

Tim Pawlenty issued a statement earlier this afternoon urging congressional Republicans to reject the budget deal tomorrow:

The more we learn about the budget deal the worse it looks. When you consider that the federal deficit in February alone was over $222 billion, to have actual cuts less than the $38 billion originally advertised is just not serious. The fact that billions of dollars advertised as cuts were not scheduled to be spent in any case makes this budget wholly unacceptable. It’s no surprise that President Obama and Senator Reid forced this budget, but it should be rejected. America deserves better.

That’s a nifty way to polish his fiscal conservative cred with the base, but as of last night Cantor was insisting that they have the votes in the House. Maybe that’ll change after the CBO numbers start circulating, but if I had to bet, I’d still bet that it’ll pass. The conversation’s already moved on to bigger money, partly thanks to the erupting war between Obama and Ryan over entitlements and partly to the chess match between Democrats and the GOP over the debt ceiling. And because most of the public’s already moved on from the shutdown drama, if the Republican caucus forced one now, they’d inevitably get more blame than they would have if the shutdown had happened last week. So, yes, it’ll probably pass — but by how much is anyone’s guess. The comments are open for your predictions!

Update: Philip Klein’s headline says it all: “Conservatives should no longer be happy about budget deal.”

Unfortunately, it now appears that the new Republican majority has done what it attacked Democrats for doing when they controlled the House. They negotiated a back room deal, didn’t release the details until 2 a.m., and the more we have of the details, the more we find out that the actual deal is filled with accounting gimmicks. Not a good way to earn back the trust of conservatives who grew disillusioned with the GOP the last time they controlled the House.

Update: NRO reports that Boehner, Cantor, and Kevin McCarthy were still busy making the pitch as of this morning. Freshman Tim Huelskamp, noting that $352 million is less than $2 per U.S. citizen, is unpersuaded:

“In the last two hours, the country has borrowed about $352 million, so we’re making no progress in getting out of the red,” Huelskamp said. “The American people are looking for meaningful reductions that actually will make a difference to our $1.6 trillion deficit and our $14.3 trillion of debt.”

Huelskamp told National Review Online that he had basically decided when the deal was first announced that he would vote against it, but said other members were probably having second thoughts in light of the CBO report. “It’ll be interesting to see how folks vote when the cuts in here weren’t really cuts,” he said. “That will upset folks back home when they look at it. They thought freshmen were up here to change the way Washington operates, but this is the same-old same-old they’ve been doing for years.”

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The Left is schooling us.

Saltysam on April 13, 2011 at 7:13 PM

Will we be hearing soon from our new tea-party congress members about this? We tea-partiers are getting very restless.

GaltBlvnAtty on April 13, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Why didn’t we hear from them last week about the truth?

sharrukin on April 13, 2011 at 7:13 PM

r or d we voters get the shaft. You in dc suck so bad my mouth can not get the taste out! You want our money? You want our votes? Tonight I will talk to God, and if things don’t change in dc, my faith says, God is not all that happy with the whole blooming bunch of you.
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letget on April 13, 2011 at 7:14 PM

http://twitter.com/johnboehner/status/55289849791524864#

canopfor on April 13, 2011 at 7:04 PM
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So yeah, he knew and lied about it.

sharrukin on April 13, 2011 at 7:08 PM

sharrukin:Heres the article,and it iss ‘Troubling’!:)
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‘Good’ not great: No deal as Boehner talks to Obama about shutdown
Published: 12:09 PM 04/05/2011 | Updated: 12:33 AM 04/06/2011
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Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/05/good-not-great-no-deal-as-boehner-talks-to-obama-about-shutdown/#ixzz1JRpjUlJU

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/05/good-not-great-no-deal-as-boehner-talks-to-obama-about-shutdown/#ixzz1JRpdSeSw

canopfor on April 13, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Palin, Trump or whoever else that seriously want to reform government should just forget about the GOP nomination.

Start a 3rd party, or run as an independent.

The GOP is dead of intents and purposes.

Norwegian on April 13, 2011 at 7:14 PM

We are witnessing the end of the Republican party Republic.

tetriskid on April 13, 2011 at 7:11 PM

FIFY. Sad but true.

Knucklehead on April 13, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

Hey, Boehner–you’re fired!
It’s time to send Boehner down to the back benches, and bring in someone else, like Mike Pence.

Emperor Norton on April 13, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Boehner misunderstood the game. It was not bridge–it was chicken. Despite winning 64 seats and a majority, he accepted chump change.

Emperor Norton on April 9, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Under the bus with you, Boehner. Too much legislative skill, not enough leadership, and not nearly enough cojones.

Palin 2012. Accept no substitutes.

Emperor Norton on April 8, 2011 at 11:31 PM

Boehner had all the cards, and he just folded, For chump change. The lobbysists and the advisers and the media and the RINOs just scared the crap out of Boehner, and he caved.

Emperor Norton on April 8, 2011 at 11:43 PM

Bill Buckley once said conservatives must stand athwart history yelling “Stop!” but tonight’s surrender was not auspicious.

As I’ve said before, the GOP should just refuse to raise the debt ceiling. That’s the equivalent of yelling “Stop!” like Buckley suggested. The cuts will take care of themselves.

There is no more money!

Emperor Norton on April 8, 2011 at 11:55 PM

John Boehner is the new Bob Dole.

Emperor Norton on April 8, 2011 at 9:49 PM

BOEHNER: “When will the White House and Senate Democrats get serious about cutting spending?”
This is a lame rhetorical statement. Boehner should not be saying this. He should be saying,

“The White House and Senate Democrats do not want to cut spending at all–they want to raise it some more. They have bankrupted America.”

Boehner should be removed as Speaker, and replaced by someone like Pence.

Emperor Norton on April 8, 2011 at 6:47 PM

Emperor Norton on April 13, 2011 at 7:14 PM

I would like to say I hope it’s defeated. But Boehner is hopeless. He wouldn’t know how to play it if it were defeated. He’ll never know how to play the Left. I’ve given up on these people. They have no idea how to fight.

We were told that incrementalism was the answer, but even the incrementalism was bullsh*t. We need an executive leader who will cut entire bureaucracies and take her case straight to the people over the heads of the farking media. We need someone to give Boehner and the rest their marching orders.

rrpjr on April 13, 2011 at 7:15 PM

The deal cut more than $200 million in border fencing. So does this mean that more than half the cuts were from border fencing?

Jon0815 on April 13, 2011 at 7:16 PM

We must recruit more and more voters to our side. The leadership in Washington is not going to help us.

Saltysam on April 13, 2011 at 7:16 PM

“They thought freshmen were up here to change the way Washington operates, but this is the same-old same-old they’ve been doing for years.”

I heard Boehner was told “end of the world” stories by the ruling class elites on Wall Street not to “shut down” the government and to take the deal…

… the same kind of stories that were told in 2008 that started all of this mess in the first place.

We should have let the banks, GM, and Fanny and Freddy fail due to the social engineering and union goons behind the reasons WHY they failed…

True, some of the ruling elite might not be able to afford their house in the Hamptons anymore…

… but the Country will be better off.

Shut it down! Shut it down, NOW!!!

Seven Percent Solution on April 13, 2011 at 7:16 PM

Palin, Trump or whoever else that seriously want to reform government should just forget about the GOP nomination.

Start a 3rd party, or run as an independent.

The GOP is dead of intents and purposes.

Norwegian on April 13, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Amen to that!

I would love to have Sarah Palin run third party and have Trump as VP to please the squishies.

sharrukin on April 13, 2011 at 7:17 PM

You know what?

Not too thrilled with the freshman Republicans either. Why are we hearing this from the CBO and not Ryan, or one of the new guys?

sharrukin on April 13, 2011 at 7:12 PM

You hit the nail on the head.

Odie1941 on April 13, 2011 at 7:17 PM

The deal cut more than $200 million in border fencing. So does this mean that more than half the cuts were from border fencing?

Jon0815 on April 13, 2011 at 7:16 PM

If that doesn’t put the final nail in the GOP’s coffin, I don’t know what will.

angryed on April 13, 2011 at 7:17 PM

Amen to that!

I would love to have Sarah Palin run third party and have Trump as VP to please the squishies.

sharrukin on April 13, 2011 at 7:17 PM

Trump would never take 2nd seat to anyone, namely a woman.

Odie1941 on April 13, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Ted Nugent – Stranglehold
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c3d7QgZr7g

canopfor on April 13, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Shut er down without pay.

Valiant on April 13, 2011 at 7:18 PM

We should have known better than to Trust John Boehner. He was JetBoy’s favorite Republican.

portlandon on April 13, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Trump would never take 2nd seat to anyone, namely a woman.

Odie1941 on April 13, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Maybe not but I respect those two a damn sight more than anything the GOP is trying to sell us.

sharrukin on April 13, 2011 at 7:21 PM

LOL

The funniest headline of the day. Hell of the year.

Left’s angst grows over Obama’s shift to the Center

This is the center? LOLZ

angryed on April 13, 2011 at 7:21 PM

Palin/Ryan/2012!

canopfor on April 13, 2011 at 7:23 PM

It really sucks putting ones faith and hope and cautious trust in some, only to be spit on in the end. It’s like a break up….and my heart is broken.

capejasmine on April 13, 2011 at 7:23 PM

As Tar and Feather Tsar, I encourage folks to make up their minds before the tar cools and the feathers blow away.

/

Christien on April 13, 2011 at 7:24 PM

I was talking with an aid in Ryan’s office last Thursday about his Road To Prosperity’s lack of a balanced budget. Leadership is quitting cold turkey not depending on “ifs”. This young man had the nerve to tell us that out of Ryan’s constituents “No one was asking for a balanced budget.” Untrue and disheartening after our political activism which leaves us with a why bother seething. “Then you should” quit he replied. Insulting.

Americans have been picking at this scab of federal employees and regulation for far too long now. Shut ‘er down.

FeFe on April 13, 2011 at 7:25 PM

I told you people that on spending and immigration, the GOP has no more clue about how to save this country than a dead duck.

Wait till the next immigration reform bill comes up. You think this is bad? You ain’t seen nothing yet…

rightwingyahooo on April 13, 2011 at 7:32 PM

I really love being right about how the GOP is going to screw us all the time; no matter how low I set my expectations they always manage to dig a tunnel and pass 500 ft below me.
All you guys that were so excited about the election last fall; we picked up so many seats..blah blah blah. All they want is your money and your vote; once they’re safely in, they don’t care about you. They’re too busy being friends with the Democrats who can’t wait to call you names. Boner screwed us; just like I knew he would.
The GOP may not be as scummy as the Dems but at least the Dems telegraph what they’re going to do; they hate us and want to roll legislation right over us; the GOP won’t tell us they hate us but they sure seem to treat us that way. Save your money; stop donating to the GOP. They’re not worth it.

austinnelly on April 13, 2011 at 7:33 PM

You know what?

Not too thrilled with the freshman Republicans either. Why are we hearing this from the CBO and not Ryan, or one of the new guys?

[sharrukin on April 13, 2011 at 7:12 PM]

That what I was implying by my comment about not having CBO input beforehand, but was also meant for the veteran R’s too. There was a pretty specific amount talked about for weeks. There had to be specifically targeted monies, didn’t there? Why didn’t the GOP get CBO input?

UNLESS, the specifically targeted monies were changed to different targets in the conferences at the WH, in which case, the question becomes, did GOP leaders realize what was happening or did they get suckered?

Dusty on April 13, 2011 at 7:34 PM

Hey I wonder if the Speaker cried during the meetings?

unseen on April 13, 2011 at 7:35 PM

UNLESS, the specifically targeted monies were changed to different targets in the conferences at the WH, in which case, the question becomes, did GOP leaders realize what was happening or did they get suckered?

Dusty on April 13, 2011 at 7:34 PM

No they were lying to us all along. the only way to change this crap is to vote in an outsider know for cutting spending. Period. no gimicks, no smoke and mirrors.

unseen on April 13, 2011 at 7:37 PM

the only way to change this crap is to vote in an outsider know for cutting spending. Period. no gimicks, no smoke and mirrors.

unseen on April 13, 2011 at 7:37 PM

I wonder who she could be…

steebo77 on April 13, 2011 at 7:45 PM

This is the center? LOLZ

angryed on April 13, 2011 at 7:21 PM

The Democrats and a sympathetic media have spent more time trying to redefine where the center is than anything else since they’ve been in power.

“We’re the center and you guys are extremists” /eyeroll

Scrappy on April 13, 2011 at 7:45 PM

How Washington Cuts $38 Billion in 5 Simple Steps:

1. Announce spending bill that claims $38 billion in cuts

2. Wait for CBO to announce it only cuts $353 million 1

3. Realize you only do 0.0093% of what you say 2

4. Divide $38 billion by 0.0093% to get necessary target 3

5. Round to the nearest trillion and announce result

1. : Source: Washington Post, April 13, 2011

2. : $353 million divided by $38 billion

3. : $38 billion divided by 0.0093 = 4.1 trillion

tetriskid on April 13, 2011 at 7:45 PM

Somebody help me, I can’t get this knife out of my back…..for the 3,456th time.

FireFly on April 13, 2011 at 6:59 PM

If I pull it out you’ll bleed more. Here have another.

SouthernGent on April 13, 2011 at 7:45 PM

The “ole Republican Potomac two step” is not what I will vote to continue in 2012. I passed on the Democrats for this deceit so why would I accept it from the elitists on the right?
I officially announce I have joined the Tea Party and will shun all who do not put the country ahead of their political/media love ambitions.
Too late to refight the last battle. Gov’t shut down? Too small.
I want the debt limit raise to be the pivot point. Shut it down. Shut it all down!

chickasaw42 on April 13, 2011 at 7:45 PM

I have to admit that I wonder about CBO numbers. It seems like there are so many contradictions..for instance with Obamacare, first it is going to save money..then they say it will cost bunch of money {which I personally believe}…but nonetheless, the numbers themselves seem to change.

So now we go from 38 billion…to someone saying 15 billion to 322 million? I don’t know if I am buying any of this.

The only way to really be sure about a cut would probably be an across the board cut of a specific amount.

As for why we did not hear this from someone like Ryan..he has probably heard as many different numbers as we have heard.

I am not sure anyone really knows at this point.

Terrye on April 13, 2011 at 7:47 PM

UNLESS, the specifically targeted monies were changed to different targets in the conferences at the WH, in which case, the question becomes, did GOP leaders realize what was happening or did they get suckered?

Dusty on April 13, 2011 at 7:34 PM

You have to assume an awful lot of stupid on the part of Republicans to believe that.

Do you think Ryan is that stupid?

I like/liked? him and I just hope they didn’t show him the figures or something.
Maybe I am just some kid asking “Say It Ain’t So”?

sharrukin on April 13, 2011 at 7:48 PM

If there’s any spending cuts, it isn’t in discretionary spending:

FY2010 discretionary outlays (via CBO) – $1,347 billion
FY2011 discretionary outlays (again via CBO) – $1,365 billion.

The last I checked, $1,365 billion was higher than $1,347 billion (not to mention much higher than what was spent in FY2008).

steveegg on April 13, 2011 at 7:48 PM

SHUT. IT. DOWN.

winston on April 13, 2011 at 7:53 PM

Huelskamp told National Review Online that he had basically

decided when the deal was first announced that he would vote against it, but said other members were probably having second thoughts in light of the CBO report. “It’ll be interesting to see how folks vote when the cuts in here weren’t really cuts,” he said. “That will upset folks back home when they look at it. They thought freshmen were up here to change the way Washington operates, but this is the same-old same-old they’ve been doing for years.”

Of course the problem with all of this is that this is the budget that should have been passed a year ago, so it becomes more and more irrelevant with every passing day. Even if they shut it down and piss a lot of people off…they will just have to come back and deal with exactly the same budget for the same year and so much of the spending has already happened, been accomplished…and even if they do come up with a deal, I am not sure that the CBO or AP or someone else would say it was not what it was supposed to be anyway. Hell if I know.

Terrye on April 13, 2011 at 7:54 PM

Maybe it is time to get Pelosi back….. /s

At least she got stuff done for her party. Oh yes, she lied, cheated and stole and while we won’t condone such we can at least for God’s sake act like we are alive and know what the hell is going on CryBoehner. You are either the biggest fool of all or you thought and hoped we would not find out that you sold out for $300 million or so miserly bucks in cuts. How dare you try to con us fella. You suck. You had ALL the cards, you were so afraid that they would blame you for shutting it down…. STFW…. you are a wuss and I’m sick of your non-performance. You don’t listen, you don’t hear. For you it is business as usual and you are doing NOTHING for your party. We look like ODumbo’s lackey’s. He has out played you in every negotiation you have yet had with him. You are through…you run into trouble and we will work with you and cover you. You lie to us as you have just done and we will farq you over by getting you out of office with a voted in replacement. You deserve nothing better. Where is Pelosi??? /s

highninside on April 13, 2011 at 7:54 PM

The GOP will betray you

True_King on April 13, 2011 at 7:59 PM

You have to assume an awful lot of stupid on the part of Republicans to believe that.

Do you think Ryan is that stupid?

I like/liked? him and I just hope they didn’t show him the figures or something.
Maybe I am just some kid asking “Say It Ain’t So”?

sharrukin on April 13, 2011 at 7:48 PM

I does not assume stupid on his part…not at all. After all, I don’t think they would have said it was $38 billion if they had known this was what the CBO report would say. I just think this whole thing is so big and so out of hand that they can’t even keep up with it. That is why I thought an across the board cut would be more workable..otherwise they have all the book keepers juggling the numbers and trying to make cuts here and there and make them work. In 2005 and 2006 the budget deficit took a nose dive because of growth and increased revenue. This is different. So I am not sure that Ryan or a lot of these other people even really knew one way or the other…they just wanted to end this and move on to the next budget battle. I think they felt this was already beside the point.

Terrye on April 13, 2011 at 8:00 PM

Little hard to sort the trolls from the POd conservatives. Of course any third party run by anybody from the right, including Trump, wherever he’s from, would guarantee the re-election of Barry Soetoro which is what those trolls would love.

Viator on April 13, 2011 at 8:01 PM

I does not assume stupid on his part…not at all. After all, I don’t think they would have said it was $38 billion if they had known this was what the CBO report would say.

So I am not sure that Ryan or a lot of these other people even really knew one way or the other…they just wanted to end this and move on to the next budget battle. I think they felt this was already beside the point.

Terrye on April 13, 2011 at 8:00 PM

You don’t assume they are that stupid… you just assume they were too stupid to know what was in their own budget that they negotiated? Or are you arguing that they just didn’t care?

sharrukin on April 13, 2011 at 8:06 PM

The hell with it all Perot/Paul in 2012. One shot and get it over with. This death by a thousand cuts is too much.

Just A Grunt on April 13, 2011 at 8:07 PM

I don’t know what to think. That is the truth. I know that I don’t even really believe the CBO numbers, not anymore. It is not as if I have not heard that bandied about enough. On every issue. The only way to be sure is after the fact..if the numbers start to go the other way, then we will know that spending slowed down or revenues picked up. It is just so bizarre.

Terrye on April 13, 2011 at 8:08 PM

Viator on April 13, 2011 at 8:01 PM

I don’t see any trolls here. I actually recognize many of the names, quite a few of which go way back years.

FloatingRock on April 13, 2011 at 8:13 PM

Boy oh boy is this thread filled with trolls.

Gothguy on April 13, 2011 at 8:13 PM

The R’s were snookered badly…

Oh, stop. As soon as the Republican leadership made clear they were scared spitless of a shut down, Obama and Reid had them by the short and curlies. They didn’t get snookered. They knowingly took this haircut and they lied to us. They are worthy of no consideration. I look forward to tomorrow’s vote. We’ll be making lists and taking names.

SukieTawdry on April 13, 2011 at 8:15 PM

Boy oh boy is this thread filled with trolls.

Gothguy on April 13, 2011 at 8:13 PM

For example?

FloatingRock on April 13, 2011 at 8:15 PM

I recognize most of the names on this thread, (it’s been a little nostalgic to me seeing some of the names), but two names I don’t recognize are Gothguy and Viator.

FloatingRock on April 13, 2011 at 8:17 PM

Boy oh boy is this thread filled with trolls.

Gothguy on April 13, 2011 at 8:13 PM

Like who? The only one I don’t recognize here is you.

sharrukin on April 13, 2011 at 8:18 PM

This development is terrible. Boehner got rolled and we have no good options. Shutting down the government now would be even worse than doing it last week. So we have to eat the crap sandwich and pretend its a victory because the low information voters probably think that the compromise contains historic cuts.

Someone should establish a 501 organization dedicated to analysis of Federal Government expenditures, but cut out all the smoke and mirrors and account for taxes and expenditures and liabilities as if it were a business. Then, we could point to the numbers and ask our representatives to indicate what, specifically, is going to be cut. By letting them create their own accounting rules, we give up a tool to hold them accountable. It would be a daunting task, but we just can’t trust their numbers anymore.

Revenant on April 13, 2011 at 8:24 PM

I’m not giving the GOP-leadership credit for much right-thinking ideology, but I did think that they at least had a working sense of self-preservation that would have kept them from ending up holding the dirty end of this particular stick. Apparently not.

They did this thinking… what? That no one would notice? That the elections of last November were a one-time fluke?

bofh on April 13, 2011 at 8:28 PM

CBO numbers are not credible, but that is not the relevant issue. There is no compelling reason to vote for this crappy budget deal. If you look at the detailed list of putative cuts, the base line is not 2010, but the propopsal for 2011, that is not cutting. Kill the bill. Boehner needs to grow up a realize we no longer are willing to be chumped by the DC professional pol crowd

georgealbert on April 13, 2011 at 8:32 PM

I have a whole new appreciation for the meaning of the word “historic” in light of this recent budget agreement.

Sort of like BOHICA, only worse…

karl9000 on April 13, 2011 at 8:46 PM

They did this thinking… what? That no one would notice? That the elections of last November were a one-time fluke?

bofh on April 13, 2011 at 8:28 PM

It’s exactly what they thought. And hoped.

rrpjr on April 13, 2011 at 8:51 PM

Glad we didn’t win the Senate. Boy, then we might have to do something about the out-of-control spending we are responsible for.

AshleyTKing on April 13, 2011 at 9:06 PM

GOP: we like the idea of freedom and limited government. Sounds nice, anyhow. But folks, who really believes this high school civics stuff anymore, anyhow? It is not worth the trouble of fighting all out for it. Better to be thought of as gentlemen aristocrats by our well-meaning opponents.

AshleyTKing on April 13, 2011 at 9:13 PM

Rather than a third party, I’d like to see us work toward canning the leadership of the Republican Party. We did not win last November, we only took a step forward.

There is a massive institutional bias toward bigger government in both parties. It will inevitably show up in a third party as well. There is no point in self-emolating when we can move the Tea Party agenda forward by organizing and demanding new Republican leadership. This sends a message that this kind of feckless chicanery is simply not acceptable without abandoning party assets.

I fail to see how having a liberal/labor party, a RINO party, and a Tea Party moves the battlefront in a favorable direction. The long term fight is not only for the budget, but the SCOTUS and having Obama pick a couple more justices in his second term shoots any chance of long term conservative success.

DaMav on April 13, 2011 at 9:28 PM

I told you Boehner got rolled by Reid…

Can the Republicans get someone better now? Ryan?

CCRWM on April 13, 2011 at 9:33 PM

CCRWM on April 13, 2011 at 9:33 PM

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+1

FactsofLife on April 13, 2011 at 9:43 PM

I said during the election that a GOP majority with the same leadership that sank us in 2008 would SUCK the LIFE out of all the enthusiasm the Tea Party has for the Republican party – and I was right.

If we had fired McConnell and Boehner – and put in DeMint and Bachmann … or one of the other firebrands … we’d be fighting right now. The government would be shut down now …

And in the end – we might not WIN the battle – but we would have shown people that we had balls and the Tea Party support wouldn’t be flying away …

This is … absolutely – death by a thousand cuts.

When you lose the World Series – if you are fortunate to ever return – you don’t put the same pitching staff on the mound.

We’re cooked.

HondaV65 on April 13, 2011 at 10:00 PM

Let’s just get new guys in there in 2012. It’ll be easy. I mean, cutting trillions in entitlement spending is a piece of cake, really, if you have the right people in place. The freshman Tea Partiers will be expert at rolling the seasoned Dems and the MSM will give them full cover.

Chin up folks. It’s gonna be great.

Missy on April 13, 2011 at 10:02 PM

This flight is still grounded.
In human affairs dramatic change rarely occurs without an emotionally compelling reason, and there is only ONE emotionally compelling reason for most politicians, and it ain’t the constitution.
The Republican establishment pols and their media pals are just so scared of tactical failure that they try to make mountains out of fox holes. 2010 was a good start but now we can see that it will take another election to replace the timid in the House and continue housecleaning in the Senate. These are scary times folks. Let’s hope that we get to 2012 before the bottom falls out.

Randy

williars on April 13, 2011 at 10:03 PM

I don’t know what to think. That is the truth. I know that I don’t even really believe the CBO numbers, not anymore. It is not as if I have not heard that bandied about enough. On every issue.

Terrye on April 13, 2011 at 8:08 PM

The CBO merely reports based on the assumptions the congress democrats tell them to. It seems that the dems would prefer a shutdown to a deal, and based on what their camp followers in the media have planned, I’m not surprised.

Vashta.Nerada on April 13, 2011 at 10:09 PM

This may be a bad deal overall, but Boehner DID get 5 BILLION in NEW MILITARY SPENDING!

(I wonder if he found some money for that second jet engine in his district?)

/I wish the sarc could be turned off

Freddy on April 13, 2011 at 10:12 PM

I’d say let it go and try to outlast the America Destroyer in the Oval Office but……

……….I don’t think the Progressive Left is going to let this go without trying to FORCE ECONOMIC COLLAPSE in the U.S.

THIS is the moment that the Unions, Marxists, Communists, etc. have been waiting for……this is their chance to CLOWARD-PIVEN the United. States!

We may be heading to a Corazon Aquino moment in our own back yard.

Gird your loins, and buy Freeze Dried!!

PappyD61 on April 13, 2011 at 10:15 PM

Little hard to sort the trolls from the POd conservatives. Of course any third party run by anybody from the right, including Trump, wherever he’s from, would guarantee the re-election of Barry Soetoro which is what those trolls would love.

Viator on April 13, 2011 at 8:01 PM

Same ol fear mongering gets you the same ol results they did last time. Someday, you’ll have to make a stand.

I’ve been warning this site for years about the betrayals of the gop. I’m the only one here that has been proven right. Even the Ron Paul supporters can’t get it right.

True_King on April 13, 2011 at 10:17 PM

The CBO merely reports based on the assumptions the congress democrats tell them to. It seems that the dems would prefer a shutdown to a deal, and based on what their camp followers in the media have planned, I’m not surprised.

Vashta.Nerada on April 13, 2011 at 10:09 PM

Objective Number One: demoralize Republicans and drive a wedge between the Tea Partiers and the leadership.

And we go along willingly EVERY TIME. It never fails to amaze me.

Missy on April 13, 2011 at 10:21 PM

Only if you really want another 4 more years of Obama. THIRD PARTIES NEVER WORK.

Voter from WA State on April 13, 2011 at 8:43 PM

You want to tell that to Jesse Ventura?

The Republicans ain’t working either. By all means, lets keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result. Nothing insane about that.

SagebrushPuppet on April 13, 2011 at 10:59 PM

The Pappy Plan

1. Seal the border.
(Saves Entitlement programs at Federal and State levels by the score).

2. 10% Across the Board Federal Spending CUTS.
(Real, every department, no exceptions)

And that’s just a common sense start to fix this fiscal mess.

But the Progressives DO NOT WANT TO FIX IT…………………………

…..THEY WANT TO TRANSFORM IT (or Collapse it).

God save the Republic.

PappyD61 on April 13, 2011 at 11:12 PM

Not that it will actually make a difference, write you rep and senator – let them know that they will be fired in the next election if they don’t:

1 – Prevent the raising of the debt limit.
2 – Cut spending across the board to at least 2008 levels.
3 – Articulate a clear budget that reduces the debt by at least half in the next 10 years.

They won’t do it, but they will know the votes don’t have their backs anymore.

jackal40 on April 13, 2011 at 11:20 PM

When considering if the next “Grand Bargain” on the debt ceiling is a good deal just remember that you know they are lying in advance.

The Grand Bargain last week was for 38 billion cuts, which became 0.3 billion so that’s a 12800% reduction.

After the headlines in the USA today and NYTimes and the talking heads are done pleasing the masses, the facts come out.

Whatever deal they are proposing, they’re lying. It’s just like WMD in Iraq. We know they are lying before they even open their mouths.

Spathi on April 13, 2011 at 11:25 PM

John Boehner you are a sad joke !

Sandybourne on April 13, 2011 at 11:51 PM

One question I have, since when does the CBO do estimates on the years spending, not just the budget as a whole?

Someone ordered this estimate, and they knew the estimate would come in low, or they were dumb and thought the 2011 saving would be somehow greater, I am going with they knew it would be low, or the CBO did it on their own, which would mean they are partisan.

I think this estimate is like one of those leaks from an un-named source, because someone wanted the true savings to be brought to light.

WoosterOh on April 13, 2011 at 11:52 PM

Objective Number One: demoralize Republicans and drive a wedge between the Tea Partiers and the leadership.

And we go along willingly EVERY TIME. It never fails to amaze me.

Missy on April 13, 2011 at 10:21 PM

The GOP leadership managed to drive that wedge all by themselves.

Clark1 on April 13, 2011 at 11:54 PM

Boehner is done for. He is absolutely finished. He won’t be able to get anything from the Dems ever again because he cracked over a a fraction of a percent of cuts. We need to do whatever is necessary to remove him from Speakership.

He has sold us out! Same with Cantor!

F U JOHN YOU GUTLESS CRYBABY

WisCon on April 14, 2011 at 12:35 AM

F U JOHN YOU GUTLESS CRYBABY!

That should be the headline on the post. On a Daily Post until that crook steps down.

If the freshman don’t rise up and force this team of phony liars out then the Tea Party HAS to go 3rd Party. We’ve got to kill off these wolves in sheep’s clothing that have destroyed the honesty of the Republican Party.

rcl on April 14, 2011 at 1:19 AM

Don’t you love the deal to cut $250 Million from the Border Fence!!!

Yeah those are our boys! Like Hell.

Face it. The GOP leaders are really just there to keep herd on us sorry conservatives so we don’t cause too much trouble. When the Parties get together the only negotiations are over how they can screw us this time without the GOP leaders blowing their cover.

There will be no opposition party until the GOP leadership is hanging from lampposts in DC.

rcl on April 14, 2011 at 1:28 AM

The deal does eliminate $38 billion in “new spending authority,” but as we learned yesterday in agonizing detail, spending “authority” and actual spending are two very different things.

[emphasis mine].

If I just found out I was that ignorant, I would blame Boehner, too.

You are falling headlong into the Democrats’ trap. Allow me to explain – I will try to use small words.

Suppose we had got $100 billion in cuts AND that amounted to $100 billion in deficit reduction (it wouldn’t, but I don’t want to give anyone a headache by involving too much thinking) for the last six months of this fiscal year. What’s more important and significant – that, or the Ryan plan (or Bowles-Simpson) to cut trillions over the decades?

(You may use calculators for any math questions).

FY 2012 and beyond is what’s critical. Obama, dumb as he is, at least gets that much, which is why he spent his whole speech attacking it today.

So then, suppose thousands of calls spook the House Freshmen into rejecting the deal, and shutting down the government. What happens then? Suppose even it only shuts down a week, and we get a lot more than we did.

Where does that leave us on FY 2012 when Obama hangs tough? We gonna shut it down AGAIN in less than six months?

Despite all the cheering from the bleachers on the right, that guarantees we lose the battle, and most of our momentum for 2012. We won’t gain the seats we need, and Obama might even parlay our “intransigence” into reelection.

But we won the “moral victory,” at least, right? Moral victories are for losers, Francis.

NO F-ING WAY the mushy middle “independent & swing voters” who have joined with us stay through two shutdowns. Hell, they were already nervous at the prospect of ONE. These aren’t people who think very well – that’s why they can’t make up their mind what their beliefs are to pick one side or the other. You can’t count on them for spine, you can only gently herd them.

Maybe that’s distasteful, but it’s a fact, and if we don’t coddle the half-wits in the middle, the Democrats have plenty of cocoa and cookies and free Rainbow Stew for them if they only cross back over to the “People’s Republic Party.”

So educate yourself, and don’t let Obama play you. Oh, I know – when the indies and swingers desert us in the next shutdown, you won’t take responsibility. It’ll be all “Boehner’s fault,” again.

But I’ll know, and I’ll tell God, and you will go straight to hell for it.

Adjoran on April 14, 2011 at 2:19 AM

You
Have

Got

To
be
kidding
me.

Please tell me this is some sort of a bad joke right? That the CBO numbers are somehow off?

This is NUTS!

SgtSVJones on April 14, 2011 at 3:40 AM

The new Congress (2011) should have voted on who would be the House Speaker and the Senate Minority Leader, not the last Congress…

That, and I didn’t realize that Boehner had a Master’s Degree in Spelunking…

One last thing, I haven’t seen if this great $38.5 Billion budget deal — that averted the Gov’t shutdown — included the earlier $ amounts cut in the two previous Continuing Resolutions in the $38.5 total. Has anyone seen anything on this?…

Gohawgs on April 14, 2011 at 4:21 AM

This is why the administration likes last minute deals. There is not time for CBO analysis and for people to discover the little stink bombs they slip in.

I sympathize with Boehner having to deal with a basically dishonest negotiating partner. In the private sector, we just would stop dealing with a company that behaves as this administration does.

KW64 on April 14, 2011 at 6:42 AM

Yeah, but we got some victory on abortion in DC or something! Woo hoo, that was so worth it. Way to go Social Religious Conservatives!

/sarc

MJBrutus on April 14, 2011 at 6:54 AM

Is it any surprise that Boehner is such a weakling? He couldn’t even make it for 2 months in the Navy.

Heckle on April 14, 2011 at 7:17 AM

From the WSJ online:

Fifteen members will serve on the Independent Payment Advisory Board, all appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. If per capita costs grow by more than GDP plus 0.5%, this board would get more power, including an automatic budget sequester to enforce its rulings. So 15 sages sitting in a room with the power of the purse will evidently find ways to control Medicare spending that no one has ever thought of before and that supposedly won’t harm seniors’ care, even as the largest cohort of the baby boom generation retires and starts to collect benefits.

What’s the GOP counterpart to THAT?

ProudPalinFan on April 14, 2011 at 7:17 AM

I tweeted Ryan, Palin, #tcot, #sgp, #hhrs, #palin, #nobama pls. RT that tidbit I sent:

Obama’s budget board would get more power, including an automatic budget sequester to enforce its rulings.

ProudPalinFan on April 14, 2011 at 8:02 AM

Clowns to the left of me…jokers in the squishy middle.

Average Americans are hosed.

kingsjester on April 14, 2011 at 8:06 AM

Seriously? They cut border fencing? Oh for cryin’ out loud. Why even bother anymore?

So…Sarah Palin was right to criticize the deal after all…

steebo77 on April 13, 2011 at 6:55 PM

Shhhhhhh! That’s supposed to be a secret around here!

Dongemaharu on April 14, 2011 at 8:06 AM

Clowns to the left of me…jokers in the squishy middle.
Average Americans are hosed.
kingsjester on April 14, 2011 at 8:06 AM

Hate to say it, but average Americans hosed themselves. I have a hard time feeling sorry for the folks who can’t find the time to think for themselves – the mushy middle. Liberals are horribly wrong about their policies and will definitely sink the nation, but I have to give them some credit in that they’ve thought things out (albeit incorrectly) and they believe in something. The mushy middle is so completely clueless that they believe pretty much anything they hear on TV or anything that someone with more conviction than they have tells them.

They hear “republicans want to kill grandma” and think “I’d better vote for those nice democrats.” Sheesh, when we have elections decided by the lazy clowns in the middle, we’re all screwed.

Free Indeed on April 14, 2011 at 8:46 AM

The real analogy:

The GOP and the Dems are like two teenagers fighting over who gets to drive the car to the party, and one of them received an American express card in their name.

V-rod on April 14, 2011 at 8:51 AM

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