Jay Carney: Obama totally regrets his 2006 vote against raising the debt ceiling

posted at 6:29 pm on April 11, 2011 by Allahpundit

If you’re keeping score at home, this makes three different answers that The One or his surrogates have given vis-a-vis the position he took on the debt ceiling five years ago. The first was Obama’s Senate floor speech at the time in defense of his no vote, where he fatefully said, “Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’” You might be hearing that soundbite played in conservative media a time or two over the next few weeks. The second was back in January, when Gibbs replied to a question about O’s 2006 vote by insisting that it was, um, symbolic. He knew that the debt ceiling was going to be raised, so he voted no; had the issue been in doubt, presumably he would have voted yes. So even according to Gibbs, the sonorous bit about leadership and the buck stopping here was basically a lie.

Now comes answer number three, via Jay Carney: Yes, Obama voted against raising the debt ceiling, but he now recognizes that even a protest vote was a mistake given the “Armageddon-like” consequences of a U.S. debt default. Which sounds like … an awfully big mistake for a would-be president to have made. How often do you hear a White House press secretary describe the potential fallout from one of his boss’s own votes as “Armageddon-like”? Can’t wait for the next briefing on Libya, in which Carney repudiates Obama’s 2002 opposition to intervention in the Middle East as “catastrophically naive” or whatever.

I do think it’s cute at the end, though, how he suggests having a clean up-or-down vote on the debt ceiling without making any concessions to the GOP on spending or balancing the budget. Given Boehner’s position vis-a-vis the conservative base, that’s roughly as plausible as the GOP asking Obama to support repealing Medicare with no concessions to the left. Democrats are anteing up in the Great Debt Ceiling Poker Game, in other words, and their ante is … zero. They’d better rethink — quickly — because, at the moment, the GOP’s hand is a lot better than theirs. Exit quotation: “Just 24 percent of self-identified independents believe the cap on government debt should be adjusted upwards, with 71 percent balking at that idea.” (Among Democrats, it’s just 49/45.)


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Just like Obama totally regrets claiming that Gitmo must be closed..

Electrongod on April 11, 2011 at 6:32 PM

And now is the time to come together and sing Kumbaya and behave like adults rather than fighting about all of this…

BLEH! These people deserved the “transparent” award they accepted behind closed doors last week.

UnderstandingisPower on April 11, 2011 at 6:34 PM

oooopsie, did I say that?

-dear leader

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 6:34 PM

This administration is playing out like a Choose your Own Adventure books.

…if you regret your debt ceiling vote turn to page 25 and continue.

portlandon on April 11, 2011 at 6:34 PM

‘Let me be clear, I was for it before I was making symbology and before I was against it.’ – Obama Kerry

classicaliberal on April 11, 2011 at 6:35 PM

clean up or down vote…yeah right, like that will ever happen…how does it feel on the other side now dear leader…

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 6:35 PM

Isn’t the question was he lying then, or is he lying now? And then how would we know?

tarpon on April 11, 2011 at 6:35 PM

He was for it before he was against it.

Where have I heard that before?

halfastro on April 11, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Red meat! They become more rabid daily! Historical! (Also, hysterical)! Leftist implosion: emminent!

Chewy the Lab on April 11, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Boehner has been given an opportunity to redeem himself for this fiasco. He has to get massive cuts in government. I say we don’t settle for anything less than the elimination of departments. Oh, and get rid of Planned Parenthood and CPB. Make Reid eats his words on that!

Iblis on April 11, 2011 at 6:38 PM

Isn’t the question was he lying then, or is he lying now?
tarpon on April 11, 2011 at 6:35 PM

When his purple lips are moving is the surest way to know when dear leader is lying.

Knucklehead on April 11, 2011 at 6:38 PM

“Let me be clear, as I’ve always said, the time for change is now, and that means I need to say that I want to be clear that I should have changed my vote. Now I have to go and work on my short game.”

-PBHO

Bishop on April 11, 2011 at 6:39 PM

The junior Senator from Illinois acted stupidly..er, maybe I’ll have myself over for a beer summit.

DrW on April 11, 2011 at 6:39 PM

Understand… if the Dems want it, fighting for any CONCESSIONS for the Repub side is beneath us and will lead to Armageddon. But if Repubs want it (i.e. $61 billion in cuts that started at $100 billion in cuts), well, then they’d better be prepared to COMPROMISE.

Watch how these people use words to frame the debate. I wish we were better at that because right now… we SUCK at it.

UnderstandingisPower on April 11, 2011 at 6:39 PM

Probably the only thing he didn’t vote “present” on.

chewmeister on April 11, 2011 at 6:39 PM

oh my, the uptown libs were oh so concerned about these debts back in 2006.

joeindc44 on April 11, 2011 at 6:41 PM

Probably the only thing he didn’t vote “present” on.

chewmeister on April 11, 2011 at 6:39 PM

Beat me to it!

VastRightWingConspirator on April 11, 2011 at 6:41 PM

Also, this is why Odrama voted present on everything he could get away with because he can’t explain why he does anything–because everything he does is expedient to THIS PARTICULAR moment and has NO BEARING on where he will be on the issue 10 minutes from now.

And… notice how when Bush was President, raising the debt ceiling was a HORRIBLE idea to the Dems. Now, it MUST be done and done quickly. Well, if it was a horrible idea at 12.5 trillion. Then it’s an even WORSE idea at $14 trillion (and my position on that has not changed!)

UnderstandingisPower on April 11, 2011 at 6:42 PM

“The first was Obama’s Senate floor speech at the time in defense of his no vote,…”

I don’t believe it…

… I don’t believe Obowma ever actually voted yes or no on anything.

/

Seven Percent Solution on April 11, 2011 at 6:43 PM

“Let me be clear, I acted stupidly…” -Odrama (on practically any subject)

UnderstandingisPower on April 11, 2011 at 6:43 PM

You have to try out different lies to find the one that makes them stop asking.

Jim Treacher on April 11, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Probably the only thing he didn’t vote “present” on.

chewmeister on April 11, 2011 at 6:39 PM

And he probably now thinks he should have.

Having a record is HARD!

JeffWeimer on April 11, 2011 at 6:44 PM

Heh Dr. K-
if dear leader is not specific during his talk tomorrow night, paraphrase ‘it’s not worth the air he uses’

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 6:45 PM

this gives complete cover to anyone who votes against it now.

This simply cannot be spun a way.

I have heard lots of Demos trying to say this is the end of the world… like Shepherd Smith… he is so unbearable these days…. anyway.

Tea Partiers are just following Obama’s example.

I think we will survive it either way.

petunia on April 11, 2011 at 6:45 PM

you almost miss gibbsy…..almost

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 6:48 PM

And a federal circuit court has gutted Arizona’s attempt to take seriously the same immigration laws which the Feds are derelect in their duties in enforcing.

On to the Supreme Court.

If the Federal Government will not defend the Constitution, can the states sue to do their jobs for them?

profitsbeard on April 11, 2011 at 6:48 PM

Obama does yet another switch-back. And what do the ultimate of non-opportunistic Repubs do when all systems are “GO” to take-down this goof-ball? Why, they stand around and suck their thumbs.

betsyz on April 11, 2011 at 6:48 PM

raising the debt ceiling with dem pres=ok, no worries
raising the debt ceiling with gop pres=catastrophic

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 6:49 PM

Not surprising. That clown in the White House thinks Bush, Cheney, Rove and Haliburton PLANNED the economic collapse.

When Barry gets slapped up side the head with an unforseen (like Libya or the BP blowout) – all of a sudden it’s “I’m a victim of circumstances!”

One thing about liberals, they are ALWAYS “victims”.

GarandFan on April 11, 2011 at 6:51 PM

Plouffe was also selling this bag of trash on Sunday. He said pretty much the same thing to Chris Wallace on Fox.

Obama sends out poitical hack on Sunday to accuse the Republicans of being political hacks.

For once I would like to see the media really question these “Sunday mouthpieces”. Since the shutdown was averted and everyone else was talking about this on Sunday, why didn’t Wallace change direction and ask Lybia questions. The media really sucks.

kringeesmom on April 11, 2011 at 6:51 PM

Like any thief, they regret getting caught, not for doing the deed…
So now, most everything he ran on against Bush, he is adopting, embracing, looks like Obama has found a new mentor…

right2bright on April 11, 2011 at 6:52 PM

You heartless people. HE is under pressure and can’t walk anywhere except the golf course and now you are quibbling with one of few votes that HE actually took a position.

Dingbat63 on April 11, 2011 at 6:52 PM

When you LIE every time you open your gob, you’re bound to get tripped up occassionally.

Let’s go to the videotape!

Naturally Curly on April 11, 2011 at 6:53 PM

Like any thief, they regret getting caught, not for doing the deed…

right2bright on April 11, 2011 at 6:52 PM

righton, righton, righton…

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much,

“OBAMA DRAMA”!!*

*(Ripped from Fox News)

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 6:56 PM

This on the job training is really not working very well…

Ann on April 11, 2011 at 6:58 PM

If you’re keeping score at home, this makes three different answers that The One or his surrogates have given vis-a-vis the position he took on the debt ceiling five years ago. The first was Obama’s Senate floor speech at the time in defense of his no vote, where he fatefully said, “Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’”
=======================================================

I’m thinking,of Hopeys’s,”Kicking the Can Down the Road”
comment,a year ago…..MMM…MMM…MMM!

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 6:59 PM

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 6:59 PM

yepper

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 7:02 PM

Oh this is priceless………………

Hopey ain’t playing chicken…..really!!!!!!!

Than who and the $#%^&*()_+)(*&^%$#$%^&*()_+)(*&^%$#@$%^&*(
@#$%^&*()_(*&^%$#@#$%^&*()_+)(*&^%$#@$%^&*()
#@$%^&*()_(*&^%$#%^&*()_

is driving the car in……”D”..than…MMM…MMM…MMM!

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 7:02 PM

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 6:59 PM
=========================
yepper

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 7:02 PM

cmsinaz:Oy,this sounds similar to Wisconsin Soap Opera,
its a Progressive CYA Day!:)

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 7:04 PM

cnn: dear leader will not be specific during his talk on wednesday…
so just a bunch of hot air not worth the TV time…

pathetic

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Mmmmm…slurpee still so good.

SouthernGent on April 11, 2011 at 7:04 PM

The hell with his vote, what about his words. I haven’t seen him back-track on the statement he made about the vote. If he’s not going to back-track is the buck stopping with him????

bflat879 on April 11, 2011 at 7:04 PM

its a Progressive CYA Day!:)

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 7:04 PM

ding ding ding….

:)

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 7:05 PM

I wonder if Hopey/Changey regrets his Iraq War
“Present” Voting too!

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 7:05 PM

The One voted stupidly in 2006???

BioTeachEd on April 11, 2011 at 7:08 PM

AP, no such post is complete without Obama’s 2006 speech:

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.

Over the past 5 years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion.That is “trillion” with a “T.” That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers. And over the next 5 years, between now and 2011, the President’s budget will increase the debt by almost another $3.5 trillion.

Numbers that large are sometimes hard to understand. Some people may wonder why they matter. Here is why: This year, the Federal Government will spend $220 billion on interest. That is more money to pay interest on our national debt than we’ll spend on Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. That is more money to pay interest on our debt this year than we will spend on education, homeland security, transportation, and veterans benefits combined. It is more money in one year than we are likely to spend to rebuild the devastated gulf coast in a way that honors the best of America.

And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on.

Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities.

Senator Barack Obama
Senate Floor Speech on Public Debt
March 16, 2006

Paul-Cincy on April 11, 2011 at 7:10 PM

its a Progressive CYA Day!:)

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 7:04 PM
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ding ding ding….

:)

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 7:05 PM

cmsinaz:I should have this encripted,in case Hopeys staff is
monitering H/A,

but,they are doin this news leaky *ssbackawkwards…

Team Clinton,always dumped info crap on Friday…
had their Goons,like Paul Begala,Leon Penatta,and
the rest,hammer away all week-end,and always turned
the turd into a rose by Monday!

*cmsinaz,burn this post,after reading!(sarc):)

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Paul-Cincy on April 11, 2011 at 7:10 PM

excellent PC

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 7:12 PM

Senator Barack Obama
Senate Floor Speech on Public Debt
March 16, 2006

Paul-Cincy on April 11, 2011 at 7:10 PM

Paul-Cincy:Besides the Hopeys Non-exsistent B/C,I think you
found something that he actually wrote!:)

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 7:15 PM

HE is under pressure and can’t walk anywhere except the golf course…
Dingbat63 on April 11, 2011 at 6:52 PM

Poor little Obama just needs to take some walks on his treadmill in His gym. He could pipe in some bird sounds and even use a projector to make himself a virtual golfing adventure. (Just like the border fence!)

Solved…Easy, peasy!

marybel on April 11, 2011 at 7:16 PM

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 7:11 PM

*burning post*

mission:possible

:)

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 7:16 PM

Obama totally regrets his 2006 vote against raising the debt ceiling

Wondering how many people totally regret voting for Obama in 2008??

BigWyo on April 11, 2011 at 7:18 PM

BigWyo on April 11, 2011 at 7:18 PM

+1

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 7:20 PM

you almost miss gibbsy…..almost

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 6:48 PM

I miss gibbsy!

kringeesmom on April 11, 2011 at 7:22 PM

kringeesmom on April 11, 2011 at 7:22 PM

:)

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 7:27 PM

This administration is playing out like a Choose your Own Adventure books.

…if you regret your debt ceiling vote turn to page 25 and continue.

portlandon on April 11, 2011 at 6:34 PM

That is EPIC….thank you!

I think everyone knows that the debt ceiling will be raised, right? I’m not in favor of it, but I don’t think you can realistically expect a room full of ego’s like congress to do anything as titanic as cutting 1.6 trillion in spending in a few weeks without royally screwing up the whole process and thousands if not millions of unintended consequences.

They all know this……and I still would rather it not be raised. I know in my gut that it will be though. I think Boehner might be able to get something big and important in exchange though. I’m talking, eliminations of departments big….re-arranging and consolidation that could save hundreds of billions. Why not aim for the moon? We can’t raise the limit every year and keep subsidizing EVERYTHING. Something that can’t go on forever, won’t.

Mord on April 11, 2011 at 7:28 PM

Let me see if I have this straight: Gibbs says Obama is a liar, Goolsby says Obama is insane, Carney says Obama wishes he could change that vote, and Obama says “America has a debt problem, a failure of leadership, and reckless fiscal policies” … before he increased spending by 25% and ran up another $4 Trillion-with-a-T in debt.

Is that what you’re saying?

Jaibones on April 11, 2011 at 7:29 PM

you almost miss gibbsy…..almost

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 6:48 PM
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I miss gibbsy!
kringeesmom on April 11, 2011 at 7:22 PM

kringeesmom:*Sigh*…me too!:)

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 7:32 PM

Isn’t that something someone who was “Ready on Day 1″ should have known?

jarodea on April 11, 2011 at 7:32 PM

raising the debt ceiling with dem pres=ok, no worries
raising the debt ceiling with gop pres=catastrophic

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 6:49 PM

cmsinaz: “Armageddon”!—:)

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 7:33 PM

“Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’”

Come on, kids, he meant “buck”, the male of deer.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2011 at 7:33 PM

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 7:11 PM
*burning post*

mission:possible

:)

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 7:16 PM

cmsinaz:Haha,thank-you Mrs.Phelps!:)

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 7:35 PM

Jay Carney is even more ‘fun’ to watch squirm than Gibbsey was. Who’d have thunk that?

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Everything this narcissistic liar (Obama) says has an expiration date. Get it into your heads. Quit pretending otherwise.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2011 at 7:37 PM

“We do not need to play chicken with our economy.”

After they have played chicken with the economy since 2006, and very seriously since 2009, January.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2011 at 7:39 PM

Well, now that we got this out of t he way can we expect “Mittens” to regret Mitten-care?

chickasaw42 on April 11, 2011 at 7:41 PM

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 7:33 PM

stand corrected :)

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 7:41 PM

I miss gibbsy!
kringeesmom on April 11, 2011 at 7:22 PM

kringeesmom:*Sigh*…me too!:)

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 7:32 PM

Whenever I saw gibbsy I always thought of the frat initiation scene from Animal House where they smacked the pledges butts with a paddle and made them say “I sir am a worm sir, a wiggly worm sir”.

Gibbsy always looked so very spankable.

kringeesmom on April 11, 2011 at 7:42 PM

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 7:35 PM

teehee :)

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 7:43 PM

“Just 24 percent of self-identified independents believe the cap on government debt should be adjusted upwards, with 71 percent balking at that idea.” (Among Democrats, it’s just 49/45.)

And yet something like 85% of these same people say don’t cut social security or medicare payments…or funding for NPR or PP or EPA or the military or……

angryed on April 11, 2011 at 7:44 PM

Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’”

Come on, kids, he meant “buck”, the male of deer.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Yeah, and everyone knows that buck’s have 4 legs, and antlers and don’t like headlites. And Obama has 2 legs and golf clubs, and is not really afraid of headlites (as long as he has TOTUS by his side). So it’s really not the same thing at all.

What the buck stops here really means is that the male dear ceased to move for a moment while eating a bite of grass.

kringeesmom on April 11, 2011 at 7:45 PM

Gibbsy always looked so very spankable.

kringeesmom on April 11, 2011 at 7:42 PM

True. This guy looks like he’s eternally constipated.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2011 at 7:45 PM

angryed on April 11, 2011 at 7:44 PM

yepper

if it’s your program, no problem, if it’s my program, hands off….

this will be our downfall unless someone of those 85% actually wake up

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 7:46 PM

True. This guy looks like he’s eternally constipated.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2011 at 7:45 PM

hahaha! Maybe he needs to talk to Michelle about eating more fruit.

kringeesmom on April 11, 2011 at 7:46 PM

Is Jay Carney old enough to drive?

mimi1220 on April 11, 2011 at 7:54 PM

Mmmmm…slurpee still so good.

SouthernGent on April 11, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Are you enjoying it in the back of the vehicle? That’s where Obama said we would have to ride…

Khun Joe on April 11, 2011 at 8:05 PM

So basically, Obama was a wet behind the ear, mediocre junior Senator with poor judgement who decided to run for President with little if any practical, real-world experience after being a Senator for a few weeks..

OxyCon on April 11, 2011 at 8:08 PM

“Just 24 percent of self-identified independents believe the cap on government debt should be adjusted upwards, with 71 percent balking at that idea.” (Among Democrats, it’s just 49/45.)

Doesn’t matter. Boner won’t “stand erect”. He’ll find a way to “screw” us over…..no “stifness” in the backbone.

Seriously….any bets? I’ll bet he gets “consideration on 2 future bills” and a giftcard to Denny’s for the raising the cap….any takers?

Tim_CA on April 11, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Seriously….any bets? I’ll bet he gets “consideration on 2 future bills” and a giftcard to Denny’s for the raising the cap….any takers?

Tim_CA on April 11, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Throw in a bottle of Merlot and you’ve got a deal. Boner has Obamas number, he said so this morning.

kringeesmom on April 11, 2011 at 8:40 PM

By saying this Obama is basically admitting he is a failed leader… by his own measurements, he has failed.

Failed leader.

petunia on April 11, 2011 at 8:42 PM

Failed leader.

petunia on April 11, 2011 at 8:42 PM

That is how you and I think…but not progressives.
He lied to make things “better”, therefore it is okay.
He lied about shutting down Gitmo, but that is okay because he got elected.
It is okay to change your mind as a progressive, because you will change it back.
The liberal platform is do or say anything, but stay in power and serve the masters..

right2bright on April 11, 2011 at 8:58 PM

And millions of Americans regret their 2008 vote.

lonestar1 on April 11, 2011 at 9:12 PM

This is why a Republican can and will win. Obama has a record now. He has a very contradictory record at best. This is why Trump is currently “winning”. Duh?

JAM on April 11, 2011 at 9:16 PM

Gibbsy always looked so very spankable.

kringeesmom on April 11, 2011 at 7:42 PM

kringeesmom:Lol:)

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 9:22 PM

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 7:33 PM
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stand corrected :)

cmsinaz on April 11, 2011 at 7:41 PM

cmsinaz:Close enough—:)

canopfor on April 11, 2011 at 9:23 PM

I think I dislike this little crap-weasle Carney more than the last crap-weasle.

Big John on April 11, 2011 at 10:00 PM

We must understand Obowma is very nuanced people. He is for it, he is agin’ it and he is present. When it’s decision time, Obowma, the Monday Morning Quaterback comes out because he can’t stand criticism.

dthorny on April 12, 2011 at 8:36 AM

“Let me be perfectly clear, as I’ve always said, all my statements are true at the time they are stated, and it will be my highest priority to make statements at that time.” -BHO

AverageJoe on April 12, 2011 at 10:58 AM

So the guy who voted PRESENT more times than you can shake a Teleprompter at, is now saying he didn’t mean an ACTUAL vote that one time.

Obama really does think the little people are stupid.

Jack Bauer on April 12, 2011 at 1:08 PM