Who won the budget fight?

posted at 9:32 am on April 9, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

As everyone knows by now, the Great Government Shutdown of 2011 has been called off … or at least postponed.  Republicans finished what the Democrats wouldn’t by clinching a budget deal late last night, finishing up the FY2011 budget with a total reduction in spending of $49 billion:

Under the terms of the agreement, the six-month bill will slash $38.5 billion from current spending levels, which is $23 billion less than the reductions Republicans originally demanded but $30 billion more than what Democrats had initially offered to cut.

President Obama praised the budget compromise and the prevention of a shutdown. He warned the cuts would affect services and infrastructure work, even as he acknowledged the need for spending reductions. “I would not have made these cuts in better circumstances,” Obama said.

The bill does not include a Republican provision to de-fund Planned Parenthood, which provides health care services for women, including abortion. The Planned Parenthood provision was one of the main sticking points during the negotiations, with the GOP insisting it remain in the bill.

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, agreed to remove the Planned Parenthood provision in exchange for an agreement that would allow Congress to take up the funding issue separately.The Republicans also won inclusion of a provision that will require the Senate to vote on a bill to de-fund the health care reform law.

Another provision won by Republicans would prohibit the District of Columbia from spending local or federal funds on abortion services.

This looks less like a victory for either side and more of a five-month truce.  The fight to cut just a tiny slice of the overall budget took months to resolve, and all of these issue will arise again in September when Congress has to pass the FY2012 budget.  Don’t expect the fight to get any easier, at least not on discretionary spending.

But that’s not the big problem anyway.  The big problem in the budget is entitlement spending, which will require months to review for reform.  The only proposal on the table for that at the moment is Ryan’s plan.  The other option would be to consider the Bowles-Simpson plan, but since Bowles and Simpson both gave at least praise for Ryan’s proposal, Ryan has the momentum.  Now, with FY2011 off the table, the House can move forward on serious entitlement reform that will give an actual opportunity to get significant reductions to the deficit and start us on the path of fiscal sanity.

We’ll see who won in September, but Republicans have achieved one major accomplishment.  Not only did they force the first actual reductions in government spending in ages, but they have changed the political paradigm from whether to cut to how much and where to cut.  That’s a pretty impressive victory for a party that only controls one chamber of Congress.

Update: One last point along these lines.  Democrats have spent the last four months arguing that Republicans were too radical to govern and wanted to destroy government.  Instead, Republicans fashioned a deal on their own terms and passed a budget deal — something Democrats couldn’t or wouldn’t do when they had all the power in DC.  This gives the GOP a lot of credibility on leadership and governance, and all of it at the expense of Harry Reid and Barack Obama.


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DoS_Conservative on April 9, 2011 at 10:31 AM

The great tinng about sports is there is they keep an official score so everyone knows how actually won. Opinions as to who actually won last night are extreemely subjective. You view it as a 7-6 win. I see it as a 14-7 loss.

bw222 on April 9, 2011 at 10:39 AM

Well said Subsunk, DOS, and Vyce

BrianVII on April 9, 2011 at 10:39 AM

I don’t get it. The other night Greta had a dem senator on who said the dems were cutting $73b and the repubs said they’d cut $100b. The way they throw the “b”s (AND the bs) around makes you wonder if any of the numbers are real.

Alibali on April 9, 2011 at 10:40 AM

The career politicians have screwed the taxpayers yet again… The Weeper of the House has no cajones and should be crying that he is a victim of democrat bullying. God, will we ever see anything from these clueless basta*rds?

ultracon on April 9, 2011 at 10:41 AM

They should have agreed to $49,999,999,999.00 of cuts, or some figure that you would find in a bargain store.

ParisParamus on April 9, 2011 at 10:42 AM

Hey, nattering nabobs of negativity (to quote George H W Bush):

***

itsnotaboutme on April 9, 2011 at 10:38 AM

Forgive me, but I think that alliterative line goes back to Spiro Agnew and that it was written for him by William Safire.

BuckeyeSam on April 9, 2011 at 10:42 AM

If you thought teh Dems and their friends in the media dug in on this one, wait until we get to debt ceilings, Ryan’s budget, etc.

bw222 on April 9, 2011 at 10:44 AM

Speaker Boehner needs to be saying that this is virtually nothing of what needs to be cut, that the Democrats have proved that they are not the least bit serious about protecting the future of the dollar, and that he needs Republicans in the Senate and the White House if the US economy is to survive at all.

For him to call this an historic amount is exactly the wrong thing to say. It’s chump change. We need to cut $1.6 trillion, not $50 billion. PER YEAR.

philwynk on April 9, 2011 at 10:44 AM

I would have preferred to see them come out of the gate with the 100 billion and stood firm. And not just the low hanging fruit. Something that would prove they can find spending that goes against conservative principles. That is what they promised and they tap danced around it from the get go. Anything after that was just noise to me.

Good for Bachmann. Goes on her record as standing true to her promises.

Mr_Magoo on April 9, 2011 at 10:45 AM

This is the opening salvo – I don’t think Boehner has taken the gloves off yet, but a message is being sent to the Progressives “The President was correct when he said – this is going to be like hand to hand combat if the Republicans win” I am so glad we have Col West on our team :)

All Boehner did was telegraph their intent per the funding the rest of the federal budget for 2011. The progressives reacted like high maintenance “Housewives of Capital Hill” LOL! This budget war is going to have many battles, and skirmishes, this isn’t going to be one piece of legislation, one and done on the federal budget. It’s too freakin huge, they are going to have to chip away at it in chunks.

Dr Evil on April 9, 2011 at 10:45 AM

The Associated Press reports:

Republicans had included language to deny federal money to put in place Obama’s year-old health care law. The deal only requires such a proposal to be voted on by the Democratic-controlled Senate, where it is certain to fall short of the necessary 60 votes.

If the deal says the proposal will be voted on, doesn’t this mean only 51 vote are required to pass? Isn’t the requirement for 60 votes only required to block a filibuster and force a vote. But the Dems have already agreed to allow a vote. So that means 51 votes…right? And ditto for PP and NPR?

Am I missing something?

topdog on April 9, 2011 at 10:46 AM

The one thing that we should all take from this and keep in mind for the next go around…

“Democrats want to starve and kill our Military!!!”

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Seven Percent Solution on April 9, 2011 at 10:46 AM

If you can’t win the battles, YOU WON”T WIN THE WAR!!

royzer on April 9, 2011 at 10:47 AM

BuckeyeSam on April 9, 2011 at 10:42 AM

Thank you! I stand corrected. Perhaps Mr Bush was quoting them.

itsnotaboutme on April 9, 2011 at 10:49 AM

Lets be clear we won. It was a small victory in a big war. We need to press on and stand together. Dr. Dog said we failed, but concurrence from the senate was not there and Obama can veto. That is the reality of the process. Time to press on and take back the Senate and WH, then fix it for good.

Dog bites on April 9, 2011 at 10:50 AM

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diogenes on April 9, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Please explain how you would have done things differently.

The Opinionator on April 9, 2011 at 10:39 AM

Exactly!
The House is only half of the Congress, & the Congress is only one-third of the federal government.
Should Beohner wave a magic wand, or do Jedi mind tricks?
It’s still not going in the exact direction we want, but the ship is turning.

itsnotaboutme on April 9, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Am I missing something?

topdog on April 9, 2011 at 10:46 AM

Just that when it get’s to Obama’s desk he’s going to veto both pieces of legislation.

The whole purpose of bring those pieces of legislation to the Senate floor is force the 23 Democrat Senators up for reelection in November 2012, to go on the record. Make it clear what their position is on Obamacare which is very unpopular in this country. The Republicans are gathering up political ammo.

Dr Evil on April 9, 2011 at 10:53 AM

f you can’t win the battles, YOU WON”T WIN THE WAR!!

royzer on April 9, 2011 at 10:47 AM

Uh huh but somehow George A Washington managed to carve out a Republic losing some of his battles….Man Up.

Dr Evil on April 9, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Time to press on and take back the Senate and WH, then fix it for good.

Dog bites on April 9, 2011 at 10:50 AM

Exactly.

VegasRick on April 9, 2011 at 10:55 AM

As a military service member who doesn’t have to worry about dealing with Emergency Relief requests, letters of indebtedness, compromised clearances due to damaged credit, or my Soldiers not being able to buy groceries…

I win, IMO.

Sgt Steve on April 9, 2011 at 10:02 AM

Word.

As the aunt of a young man in the Marines and the best friend of a mother whose oldest son is in the Army…both young men will be sent to Afghanistan in the very near future…I agree with Sgt. Steve. That the CIC (in name only) threatened to hold back military wages is beyond despicable.

GrannyDee on April 9, 2011 at 10:57 AM

Who won?

Karl Marx

What the GOP and the so-called “independents” do not understand, and apparently will never understand, is they are just going along for the ride.

It’s like being the passenger in a car, being driven by a crazed, intoxicated maniac, flying down the highway at 110 mph with his foot jammed all the way to the floorboards, and all you can do is muster enough courage to flash a quick glance through the rear window and somehow nervously laugh that the view to the rear was a step in the right direction.

This is how it works folks.

Decade after decade, the Marxists take the nation three giant leaps to the Left, and every so often the GOP manages to take a baby step to the right. Rinse and repeat. Rinse and repeat.

The great political center is a brilliantly executed engineered scam by the Left They own you, GOP. They own you.

Saltysam on April 9, 2011 at 10:57 AM

There are unreasonable expectations here. The GOP only have control of ½ of the 3 branches. This is going to be a long, protracted battle. We need to do stick with them, stand up FOR them, and fight WITH them. How can the other side respect us when we turn on our own like this? “Bye-bye Boehner”? This guy dragged them to the trough over and over and forced an 11th hour drama that put a big spotlight on the administration….a big enough spotlight for Obama to actually say last night that we have to get spending under control! Hey Big Spender: you said it, now you have to OWN IT.

I know a lot of people, including tea party colleagues and Michele Bachmann, wanted a government shutdown to prove the point, but once Obama put the no-pay-for-the-military-shield up, how would that have made us look? Poo at the Zoo is one thing but not paying the military another. I believe they did what they could do. Put a check mark on the line that says Harry Reid was forced to come to the altar of Obama and admit he couldn’t keep those pesky GOP in check. Put another check mark on the line that says Obama was forced to cancel (yet) another vacation and deal with these pesky kids. We need to stay the course and get on with OUR job: gain control of those other 2 branches….and get Paul Ryan’s budget implemented.

EternalVigilance on April 9, 2011 at 11:00 AM

And those complaining the loudest never cited a single thing except Boehner “promised” $100 billion and all he got was a cut in DC abortion services or some other token piece of cr*p, and, the House should have just gone over the heads of the Senate and just got the law passed whether Obama liked it or not.

Civics seems not to be one of the strong points around here of late.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 9:46 AM

I tried to say this last night, and got chewed up. Evidently, I was trying to be “rude,” “uppity,” and “the smartest person in the room.” Nothing could be further from the truth. I just kept trying to explain to people the one thing I have been saying over and over-PLANNED PARENTHOOD WAS NEVER, EVER, NEVER GOING TO GET DEFUNDED WITH OBAMA AS PRESIDENT. Yes, I’d like it to happen, but I knew better. All this “Boehner needs to go,” business is not helpful and makes me frustrated that people aren’t being realistic.

di butler on April 9, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Christmas must have really sucked for some of the folks here.

VegasRick on April 9, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Subsunk makes a great point about Coral Sea. If you looked at the numbers, we lost as the Lexington was sunk vs. a small Jap flattop. However, the Japanese had to turn away from Australia. Strategically we won. Same here. We changed the game. It is on our terms now.

BTW, $39b over roughly six months is the equivalent of nearly $80b for a full year.

The Opinionator on April 9, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Uh huh but somehow George A Washington managed to carve out a Republic losing some of his battles….Man Up.

Dr Evil on April 9, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Man Up…as in torches and pitchforks??

royzer on April 9, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Just that when it get’s to Obama’s desk he’s going to veto both pieces of legislation.

Dr Evil on April 9, 2011 at 10:53 AM

Yes, but would it not take only 51 votes to force a veto? Politically, that would make a real statement for 2012.

Which of O’Care, PP & NPR do you think have a chance to get 51 votes?

topdog on April 9, 2011 at 11:02 AM

angryed on April 9, 2011 at 10:38 AM

I’m a pragmatist. As such, I realize what is and isn’t politically feasible at the moment. You can demand the House Republicans pass a budget like the one Rand Paul proposed, but it won’t EVER get passed with the current makeup of the Senate and Presidency. Likewise, shutting down the government over Planned Parenthood funding wouldn’t have done much for us in the long run either, because despite the lack of popularity for abortion, it’s not an issue most Americans are so burning up about that they’d be fine with the government shutting down for who knows how long over it.

Ed was correct – it’s an accomplishment that Republicans have successfully changed the dynamic from “should we cut anything?” and “hey, let’s raise taxes and spend more!” to “how MUCH should we cut, and from where?” I quoted Voltaire a few days ago: don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. This is a victory. You can say “then it’s not the victory I wanted”, which is fine, but quit acting like it’s no victory WHATSOEVER, or that John Boehner now needs to be burned at the stake because of this. I swear, like I said, some of you have so much passion to destroy the GOP I’d question whether you were liberal plants, were I the sort to engage in paranoia.

Vyce on April 9, 2011 at 11:03 AM

As a military service member who doesn’t have to worry about dealing with Emergency Relief requests, letters of indebtedness, compromised clearances due to damaged credit, or my Soldiers not being able to buy groceries…

I win, IMO.

Sgt Steve on April 9, 2011 at 10:02 AM

Agreed. My brother in the navy, and more importantly the families of the thousands of sailors under his command, will not have to worry about paying the bills while they are at sea enforcing the no-fly off of Libya. It pisses me off that Obama would prioritize PP over their pay and it would behoove us to remind people of that in 2012.

The Opinionator on April 9, 2011 at 11:05 AM

Time for a balanced budget amendment.

AMENDMENT XXVIII

Section 1

At the end of each fiscal year, which shall occur at least once per calendar year, each member of Congress shall be personally liable for the proportionate share of any debt incurred by the United States during that fiscal year.

Section 2

United States citizens shall have standing to enforce this Amendment in any court of original jurisdiction established under Article III of the United States Constitution.

Section 3

Members of Congress shall not be personally liable for debts incurred by the United States for the military prosecution of a war declared by Congress. This section shall be strictly construed.

Revenant on April 9, 2011 at 11:05 AM

This is ultimately a sideshow to be forgotten next week.

The real battle is the one over “narratives”. And we lose, as always. There are a dozen delicious and devastating narratives in this for the GOP, and they won’t run with one of them. Just like they didn’t use one of them in the course of the negotiation.

These people are bean counters without even the conviction to fight for their beans. Where do you think the moral imperatives of a dying civilization are going to rank in their hierarchy of needs?

rrpjr on April 9, 2011 at 11:09 AM

Which of O’Care, PP & NPR do you think have a chance to get 51 votes?

topdog on April 9, 2011 at 11:02 AM

I don’t see any of them, really. I WOULD remark that there are enough vulnerable Dems in red or purple states who would maybe want to build some moderate cred by voting against PP funding or NPR, but the Maine Twins and Scott Brown would likely vote against defunding either….I don’t know if there are enough vulnerable Dems to make up for those three and still get to 51.

They won’t ever vote to defund Obamacare. Even someone like Manchin, who damn near styled himself as a Republican to win, would vote against that. I don’t think you could even count on someone like Jim Webb, who’s going out the door, because he voted for it originally and wouldn’t want to undo part of his “legacy”.

Vyce on April 9, 2011 at 11:09 AM

Rational Thought on April 9, 2011 at 9:36 AM

Cleaning up the 2011 budget mess left by Pelosi isn’t the hill to die on. Obama will be submitting his 2012 budget and the debt ceiling vote is coming up. I see this as the time to rub Democrat noses into this budget. Talk about what they would not cut. Show their extreme ranting over and over (Republicans want to kill women!) Mock them to death! Now is the time to use this for a better deal for ’12 by embarrassing them (if that’s possible). There is such a thing as overplaying your hand, and the jackpot is the 2012 election. Use this to make public opinion stronger our way.

cartooner on April 9, 2011 at 11:09 AM

Who won? The taxpayer did. We’ve taken a tiny step away from the abyss. I have to give it up to Boehner; he got a decent deal.

Hal_10000 on April 9, 2011 at 11:10 AM

What? Over? Did you say “over”? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

The Opinionator on April 9, 2011 at 11:16 AM

The real battle is the one over “narratives”. And we lose, as always. There are a dozen delicious and devastating narratives in this for the GOP, and they won’t run with one of them. Just like they didn’t use one of them in the course of the negotiation.

rrpjr on April 9, 2011 at 11:09 AM

Well said. Just as Louise Slaughter and Nancy Pelosi attacked the GOP for “trying to kill women,” the GOP should have launched an all-out attack on Obama, Reid and the Democrats on their threat to hold back military pay and even death benefits.

Sarah Palin was the only Republican that I saw go on the attack against Obama.

bw222 on April 9, 2011 at 11:17 AM

BTW, if anyone had the chance to see the media coverage leading up to this deal, Republicans were going to be savaged over the shutdown. SSDD with the MSM.

The Opinionator on April 9, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Ed was correct – it’s an accomplishment that Republicans have successfully changed the dynamic from “should we cut anything?” and “hey, let’s raise taxes and spend more!” to “how MUCH should we cut, and from where?” I quoted Voltaire a few days ago: don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. This is a victory. You can say “then it’s not the victory I wanted”, which is fine, but quit acting like it’s no victory WHATSOEVER, or that John Boehner now needs to be burned at the stake because of this. I swear, like I said, some of you have so much passion to destroy the GOP I’d question whether you were liberal plants, were I the sort to engage in paranoia.

Vyce on April 9, 2011 at 11:03 AM

I quoted a line from “Cleopatra”, in honor of Elizabeth Taylor: “Take a little, then a little more, until in the end it is all yours.”

Another commenter wrote “death by a thousand cuts.”

BOEHNER WON THIS ROUND.

I am wondering if some of the exasperated didn’t catch that THIS IS A SHORT TERM STOP GAP MEASURE? The DC crowd will be doing this dance in a few days! If we attack Boehner so visciously now, how likely is it that he will get half as good a deal next time?

I think what gets to me most about some of these comments — a lot of the most hysterical wanted McCain to lose in 2008, because he was not conservative enough! As a result, we have a communist-dictator-wannabe in the White House and little power in the Senate.

Team Boehner got the best deal possible. For example, the Senate now has to vote on Obamacare defunding. Will it pass? NO! But it will remind everyone how tainted its passage was and how truly awful a piece of legislation it is as the vote make the rounds in the media cycle.

I call that a win.

Mutnodjmet on April 9, 2011 at 11:19 AM

I think opinions can be summed up rather simply. Those who are more conservative view the “deal” as a loss. Those who are more “establishment Republican” (Ed, National Review and the less conservative HA posters) view it as a win.

bw222 on April 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM

You know I hear a lot of RInoish people complaining on this thread about Palin and her supporters but when the chips were down we (Palin and her supporters) were the only ones that did not buckle, did not lay down and allow the dems to rape us. We were the only ones willing and able to put it all on the line for the beliefs we hold dear. The rest of the field ran scremaing into the night screaming about the insanity of fighting to win.

The RInos and their backers LOST and LOST BIG last night. And today they are licking their wounds and trying to knock those that stood steadfast to the opposition.

Do not blame us nor Palin for the weekkneeded response of your “heros” freaking cowards that you are.

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 11:22 AM

itsnotaboutme on April 9, 2011 at 10:38 AM:

Hey, nattering nabobs of negativity (to quote George H W Bush)

Uhh, Spiro Agnew, I think.

bofh on April 9, 2011 at 11:22 AM

Saw a head line today in the local fishwrap:

BUDGET CRISTS AVERETED
Dems fight back assault on Planned Parenthood, EPA

This is the MSM spin. Obama and Dems won. The GOP caved like a cheap suit. And for once I agree with the MSM.

angryed on April 9, 2011 at 11:22 AM

This just reminds us in stark terms that we have to throw them out of the Senate and White House in 2012.

John the Libertarian on April 9, 2011 at 11:22 AM

am no Palin lunatic, in fact I have no love for her whatsoever. Yet I am pissed off because the GOP caved yet again. Now be a good little troll and piss off.

angryed on April 9, 2011 at 10:23 AM

So you hold no love for the only person in the field that did as you hoped and did not cave. I think you might want to re-examine your support if you do not want repeats of the caveing in.

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM

I think opinions can be summed up rather simply. Those who are more conservative view the “deal” as a loss. Those who are more “establishment Republican” (Ed, National Review and the less conservative HA posters) view it as a win.

bw222 on April 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM

National Review in quite conservative as a whole, especially on abortion. I don’t for a second understand how funding PP at 100% is a win in their eyes.

What I think NR’s problem is – and many “conservatives” – they see a Republican win as a conservative win. Boehner may have “won” in that he didn’t give the Dems everything they wanted. But the country lost.

angryed on April 9, 2011 at 11:25 AM

BTW, if anyone had the chance to see the media coverage leading up to this deal, Republicans were going to be savaged over the shutdown. SSDD with the MSM.

The Opinionator on April 9, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Yeah, and we were “savaged” constantly leading up to the elections last Novemeber, and yet look what happened? America didn’t follow their orders.

Maybe, just maybe, we need to stand up to the media and do the principled things instead of the media-acceptable ones? Ya think?

bofh on April 9, 2011 at 11:26 AM

Angryed,

Once again, what would you have done? And how would you have done it without collateral damage, i.e. defunding and not paying troops in the field.

The Opinionator on April 9, 2011 at 11:27 AM

So you hold no love for the only person in the field that did as you hoped and did not cave. I think you might want to re-examine your support if you do not want repeats of the caveing in.

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM

You’re right. Palin may be the only person in the entire stinking GOP that has any balls to stand up to Obama/Reid.

It’s sad, but it’s becoming truer every week. If Boehner’s performance on the budget is what we can expect of the 2012 GOP nominee, we might as well just cancel the election and give Obama 40 states now. Save us all some money and false expectations.

angryed on April 9, 2011 at 11:27 AM

Maybe, just maybe, we need to stand up to the media and do the principled things instead of the media-acceptable ones? Ya think?

bofh on April 9, 2011 at 11:26 AM

doing so seemed to work for Walker and Wi did it not….

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 11:28 AM

Got a buddy with a kid in Afghanistan. He and his buddy posed for a pic showing them offering to sell their Stryker to pay their bills. Hilarious. I understand that more than a few of the good guys did something similar.

The Opinionator on April 9, 2011 at 11:29 AM

Angryed,

Once again, what would you have done? And how would you have done it without collateral damage, i.e. defunding and not paying troops in the field.

The Opinionator on April 9, 2011 at 11:27 AM

Stop this nonesense about the troops. They would have proposed a stand alone bill on funding active duty military. And you know very well Obama wouldn’t have vetoed it. The fact that Boehner didn’t call that bluff is all you need to know about his political instintcs.

angryed on April 9, 2011 at 11:29 AM

Do you compromise what is right to appease what is wrong? If you have the truth and someone else has a lie, do you compromise the truth just so the two of you can agree?

If you answered NO to those questions, you apparently aren’t fit to serve in the US Congress.

Boehner compromised and that was a loss!

AubieJon on April 9, 2011 at 11:29 AM

We need to sweep the entire old leadership and anyone who thought this compromise was a good idea out of the House. We need some people like Paul Ryan and Rand Paul to lead the Republican party. People who had some kind of backbone. I guess it’s O.K. to kill babies and make the taxpayers pay for it as long as we all get along~!!!!

flytier on April 9, 2011 at 11:29 AM

It’s sad, but it’s becoming truer every week. If Boehner’s performance on the budget is what we can expect of the 2012 GOP nominee, we might as well just cancel the election and give Obama 40 states now. Save us all some money and false expectations.

angryed on April 9, 2011 at 11:27 AM

yeap if we nominate a RINO like Mitt or Barbour we might as well save our time and money. Even if we win we lose. which is why I support gov Palin so much She is the only one i’m 90% sure will do what the hell she says she is going to do.

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 11:30 AM

flytier on April 9, 2011 at 11:29 A

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Rand Paul won last night too. I think Ryan lost because it showed the present GOp will never embrace his plan.

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 11:32 AM

For all of you who think the world has ended. For all of you brining up comparisons of more than 200 years ago (tea party and independence)what do you do now?

Will you vote democrat? Start another party? This is what it is. Start demanding more for the next round instead of dwelling on what’s done.

Vince on April 9, 2011 at 11:32 AM

I am not sure who won. However, I can tell you with certainty who lost. It was the minority of the population, those that actually pay taxes!

chicken thief on April 9, 2011 at 11:35 AM

Nope. The best thing that could have happened is that there was a govt shutdown. Within a couple of weeks much of the country of a range of political views would realize that we do operate as a people unfettered by govt. Besides you just lost the best chance to live like an American did 2 centuries a go — free of ATF, EPA, Edu, etc. even if for a brief moment in time.

Dr. Dog on April 9, 2011 at 10:24 AM

Umm, keep forgetting here that the President decided to hold military pay hostage during the shutdown you were panting for, whydoncha?

Sekhmet on April 9, 2011 at 11:35 AM

Will you vote democrat? Start another party? This is what it is. Start demanding more for the next round instead of dwelling on what’s done.

They will sit at home in 2012 and pat themselves on the back for their ideological purity. Which will ensure that Obama gets reelected and we do not capture the Senate. That will show the Republicans. Of course, it means more Reid and Obama. But moral victories are victories, right?

The Opinionator on April 9, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Man Up…as in torches and pitchforks??

royzer on April 9, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Whatever it takes :) Do you know what George A Washington had going in his favor? He could identify our enemy, and you know what it’s the same enemy we are fighting today The British. have you noticed lately that the Labor Party in Great Britain isn’t fairing so well? I am positive they are behind the riots in London, protesting austerity measures the British Government have adopted. We have a similar example up in Madison, Wisconsin…who is our enemy? Big Labor – Unions. It’s not Democrats vs Republicans. The Unions own the Democrat party now there are no regular Democrats left just the far left progressives and if you look under their collar you will find the Union label.

Given what’s going on with Republican Governors across the country pushing back the Union bullies they recognize our enemy.

We share a border with a British proxy Canada is a commonwealth of Great Britain…and lately the their progressives are worried. The Danger of a Reform-Conservative Majority Government in Canada

The progressive wave has crested, their influence is being marginalized.

Dr Evil on April 9, 2011 at 11:40 AM

Umm, keep forgetting here that the President decided to hold military pay hostage during the shutdown you were panting for, whydoncha?

Sekhmet on April 9, 2011 at 11:35 AM

And if every conservative running for office doesn’t hang that around their opponents necks like a millstone, they don’t deserve the attention or the votes.

AubieJon on April 9, 2011 at 11:40 AM

Karl Rove had an interesting segment last night about the nature of the cuts, I think it was with Greta. He said that mostly what the democratics offered up were rescissions, which are left-over monies returned (rescinded) from an existing program. Republicans on the other hand were pushing to save money through the cancellation of programs or projects.

The problem with rescissions is that the following year you return to the higher numbers by default, whereas if a program is cancelled it stays cancelled unless reinstated.

slickwillie2001 on April 9, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Next week on the Real Housewives of DC…

reaganaut on April 9, 2011 at 11:45 AM

As a military service member who doesn’t have to worry about dealing with Emergency Relief requests, letters of indebtedness, compromised clearances due to damaged credit, or my Soldiers not being able to buy groceries…

I win, IMO.

Sgt Steve on April 9, 2011 at 10:02 AM

So did my Airman son. Thanks for your perspective, and thank you for your service and concern for your Soldiers.

ladyingray on April 9, 2011 at 11:46 AM

This is a short term stop gap measure, people. Yes — hold Team Boehner’s feet to the fire, to ensure it remains on this spending-cut road. But don’t lose perspective and allow the Dems to think they have irrevocably split us or that this is some grand Democratic victory.

The left’s desire in this matter is to dishearten us; do not let it do so.

Mutnodjmet on April 9, 2011 at 11:49 AM

The GOP missed out on a great opportunity last night. I think some of them should have gotten up on the Capitol steps and stated “We are giving up on the last 2 billion in cuts as we care about our troops and tax payers. We will regroup and reload and take our fight for the American people forward. Please remember all of the dimocrats that stood here telling you that women would be dying in the streets and the children that would starve by the end of the week if we tried to cut that last 2B from the budget. We will continue to fight for, You The People, and come November 2012 your voices will be heard.”

VegasRick on April 9, 2011 at 11:49 AM

Hey, nattering nabobs of negativity (to quote George H W Bush):

***

itsnotaboutme on April 9, 2011 at 10:38 AM

Forgive me, but I think that alliterative line goes back to Spiro Agnew and that it was written for him by William Safire.

BuckeyeSam on April 9, 2011 at 10:42 AM

Correct.

And this bill is a nice drop in the bucket of what needs to occur.

$49 billion. Less than 5 days of fed spending. Just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Ryan’s talking about $600 billion in cuts per year – and *thats* not enough.

This deal was no victory, sorry. It’s an unserious attempt to stop a gushing severed jugular vein with a microscopic Band-Aid.

Midas on April 9, 2011 at 11:51 AM

The House is only half of the Congress, & the Congress is only one-third of the federal government.

itsnotaboutme on April 9, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Once upon a time our government had checks and balances.

FloatingRock on April 9, 2011 at 11:52 AM

That will show the Republicans. Of course, it means more Reid and Obama. But moral victories are victories, right?

The Opinionator on April 9, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Well if they sit home it would be better than the RINOs who actively voted and campaigned for coons.

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 11:52 AM

This just reminds us in stark terms that we have to throw them out of the Senate and White House in 2012.

John the Libertarian on April 9, 2011 at 11:22 AM

IT reminds us that you get what you vote for. You vote for weak people you get weak results.

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 11:54 AM

So is there a list of what actually got cut and who voted what?

BallisticBob on April 9, 2011 at 11:56 AM

I think a shutdown would be a lot less risky than some in the GOP think it would be, but I understand how burned the Class of 1994 got by the 1995 shutdown. I can see why they would be gun-shy about pulling it again. The real fight’s in September.

Make the bastards have to defend their profligate ways with an election six months closer

Sekhmet on April 9, 2011 at 12:00 PM

I am not sure who won. However, I can tell you with certainty who lost. It was the minority of the population, those that actually pay taxes!

Yeah, those innocent babies deserted by Boehner for a paltry extra $6 billion, certainly won, huh?

We drew lines in the sand about PP and we sold those poor souls down the tube like they were throwaway items in negotiation….er….come to think of it -they were. But, we got the money and GOP promises that next time they’ll really fight harder…if….

I’m done with these folks – I could care less which political party is corrupted. How much will we charge in exchange for the death panels now?

Don L on April 9, 2011 at 12:00 PM

When the communists, socialists, unions and democrats form a coalition to destroy our nation, those that vote in favor of this monstrosity must be flushed from office. The 2012 election will make the butt-kicking 2010 election look like a walk in the park.

volsense on April 9, 2011 at 12:06 PM

This is a short term stop gap measure, people. Yes — hold Team Boehner’s feet to the fire, to ensure it remains on this spending-cut road. But don’t lose perspective and allow the Dems to think they have irrevocably split us or that this is some grand Democratic victory.

The left’s desire in this matter is to dishearten us; do not let it do so.

Mutnodjmet on April 9, 2011 at 11:49 AM

My fellow Egyptophile is right, here. Hell, they are spinning Kloppywoppy’s loss in WI as some kind of victory because WI Supreme Court elections have never been so close. It’s all whistling past the graveyard.

Sekhmet on April 9, 2011 at 12:09 PM


My fellow Egyptophile is right.

Sekhmet on April 9, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Thanks X 1,000,000! :)

Mutnodjmet on April 9, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Christmas must have really sucked for some of the folks here.

VegasRick on April 9, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Didn’t they pass the HC on Christmas? My Christmas was ok, but my Easter is really gonna suck.

My funding was shut down almost a month ago, and there will not even be a descision on Unemployment for three more weeks. We were just starting to get caught up from the last job loss so there ain’t much reserve.

Meanwhile I get to watch my gov’t build 600K frog statutues, and commercials on TV that tell me how to send my kid out to play so she can move (I wonder how much that cost the taxpayers).

While I’m wondering whether to suck it up and buy that gallon of milk, the POTUS is telling folks that if they can’t afford a tank of gas to buy a new car. Using POTUS’ logic, I guess I’ll just “invest” in a barn and buy a cow with a calf. That should fix it just fine.

The threat of the so called shut down was so huge, that Nancy Pelosi took off for a speaking engagement in Mass. I sure do wish Bohner had her balls.

kringeesmom on April 9, 2011 at 12:17 PM

I am sick and tired of all this “historic” talk. If you want to talk fiscal history talk about Coolidge. He was historic.

kringeesmom on April 9, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Mr Perfect is in the corner crying, Mr Possible seems a bit cheered up at this. I’m with Mr Possible on this one.

aikidoka on April 9, 2011 at 12:20 PM

By the way, how about an accounting of unspent monies in TARP and Porkulus, and returning that money to reduce the deficit?

slickwillie2001 on April 9, 2011 at 12:20 PM

The GOP missed out on a great opportunity last night. I think some of them should have gotten up on the Capitol steps and stated “We are giving up on the last 2 billion in cuts as we care about our troops and tax payers. We will regroup and reload and take our fight for the American people forward. Please remember all of the dimocrats that stood here telling you that women would be dying in the streets and the children that would starve by the end of the week if we tried to cut that last 2B from the budget. We will continue to fight for, You The People, and come November 2012 your voices will be heard.”

VegasRick on April 9, 2011 at 11:49 AM

For the most part the GOP messaging sucked. Sarah Palin on the other hand, continues to cut down the trees to get through the forest.

kringeesmom on April 9, 2011 at 12:22 PM

I have a brilliant friend, who was brave enough to venture into leftist sites today for their take. I offer it as proof positive of my assertion: THIS WAS A TEAM BOEHNER VICTORY.

Here is one of the lefty gems culled from the commentary:

And that’s what touting the “biggest annual spending cut in history” as a good thing does. More lipstick from Harry Reid in giving kudos to the other side. Instead of praising the Republicans, why not come out and say the GOP screwed rank-and-file Americans? Why not say the Democrats did what they could to slow them down, but that now millions will suffer because of the cuts the party had crammed down its throat to avoid the entire government being shut down? Hell’s bells, the Democratic leadership could have even said they did it for the troops.

My friend goes on to use a basketball analogy, which goes to the meat of the matter:

Frankly, the bigger budget fights lie ahead. Once we start the debate about entitlements, we are really going to have fight on our hands. But there was no way that entitlements should be part of the current year budget fight. To use a basketball analogy, this fight was akin to getting the best winning percentage you can, going into the playoffs. It’s helpful, but you have to win in the playoffs no matter what your regular season record. The playoffs are going to be the debate over entitlements. If we don’t get those under control, they will get themselves under control as our country goes into default on its debt.

Mutnodjmet on April 9, 2011 at 12:28 PM

To paraphrase Mark Steyn, this is an argument between cutting one of two figures, both of which represent roughly 0.00% of the budget.

Congratulations, Republicans. You’ve postponed the eruption of the bond market and the death of America by…I guess 4 or 5 days.

HitNRun on April 9, 2011 at 12:31 PM

“I shouldn’t have to oversee a process in which Congress deals with last year’s budget,” Obama said as the time got short this week.

Leader!

And it was Obama who kept saying it was time for leaders to act like grown-ups.

Then act like one yourself, you spoiled rotten narcissistic teenager, who can’t formulate a cogent answer, sans prompter.

Who won? Trump did.

I hate what’s happening to the country…What we’re doing is unbelievable. If you look at what’s going on, where our jobs are disappearing to foreign countries…You’re going paying 7 or 8 dollars a gallon for your oil soon.

I blame a lot (on Obama). It’s been a terrible presidency

What’s going on with this country, the way we’re spending money like drunken sailors, we are just absolutely…going to destroy our own freedom…

If there is a shutdown, I think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the president of the United States. He’s the one who has to get people together. I’m a deal man. I’ve made hundreds and hundreds of deals and transactions. He’s never done deals before…How’s he going to corral all these people?…You don’t have the right leader…

I think Obamacare is a total disaster…This country is going to hell.

Schadenfreude on April 9, 2011 at 12:32 PM

The House is only half of the Congress, & the Congress is only one-third of the federal government.

itsnotaboutme on April 9, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Once upon a time our government had checks and balances.

FloatingRock on April 9, 2011 at 11:52 AM

Saltysam on April 9, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Once upon a time our government had checks and balances.

FloatingRock on April 9, 2011 at 11:52 AM

SMILE yeah we really let this country go to hell.

People get the government they deserve “Thomas Jefferson”

Dr Evil on April 9, 2011 at 12:35 PM

^ This.

Can you believe this crap? This is the lamest piece of “I’m legitimately weak” propaganda I’ve ever heard.

Saltysam on April 9, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Here’s where we are headed without something as drastic as the Ryan plan: Dallas Fed Chief Says U.S. in ‘Budgetary Death Spiral’

slickwillie2001 on April 9, 2011 at 12:37 PM

The deal mandates a host of studies and audits of Obama administration policies. It also blocks additional funds for the IRS sought by the Obama administration and bans federal funding of abortion in Washington, D.C.

Read more: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/04/09/who-won-shutdown-showdown-it-wasnt-even-close#ixzz1J2q8Hdki

1st I even HEARD of this! Why???

golfmann on April 9, 2011 at 12:39 PM

I was pissed last night, and I’m still pissed. I see this as a failure by Boehner. Why throw a number like 100 billion and settle for 38?Then you back down on cutting funding for PP. Yes I know we only control the House blah,blah,blah.

The only thing positive for me is the military is going to get paid. Small victory in my book, but the Dems should never have made that an issue. They are ruthless and we are meek. Just my opinion.

sandee on April 9, 2011 at 12:39 PM

I was a Tea party hard-liner and had perhaps naively counted it as a loss. Whether or not it proves to be one depends now on how Mr. Boehner spins it.

He must now constantly emphasize cutting entitlement spending and promoting the Ryan plan.

Dear Mr. Boehner, prove to us that you are more than just another professional compromiser.

We are watching. We are counting on you.

Quetzal on April 9, 2011 at 12:39 PM

Key West Reader on April 9, 2011 at 10:15 AM

Michelle Bachmann is putting through a bill this next week that will not allow the military’s pay be used as a bargining chip for the 2012 budget or the debt ceiling raise coming up. If this is off the table then I think things will be much different.

I think the military pay is the only reason why this thing got passed.

Brat4life on April 9, 2011 at 12:44 PM

Boehner looks constipated in the front picture.

Schadenfreude on April 9, 2011 at 12:48 PM

Who won? Trump did.

Schadenfreude on April 9, 2011 at 12:32 PM

No, seriously? Trump? A man whose hair is literally more interesting than he is, is the winner?
HAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahaha!

Why on earth do you think the opinion of a rabidly egotistical, publicity whore like Trump means anything at all? When he’s squeezed all the free PR he can out of dupes like you and the teabaggers, he’s going to just walk away and look for his next media opportunity.

Even Sarah the Facebook Warrior has more integrity than Mr. Surf ‘n’ Turf! That said, I’ll be overjoyed if either of them gets the GOP nomination for ’12.

chumpThreads on April 9, 2011 at 12:50 PM

itsnotaboutme

Yes, it is, but it’s about as little as a nattering gnat.

No one won. The country lost.

Schadenfreude on April 9, 2011 at 12:52 PM

chump, don’t get too excited. I think the Republicans can run the actual Elephant and beat Barry.

sandee on April 9, 2011 at 12:54 PM

Brat4life on April 9, 2011 at 12:44 PM

No, we could have resolved the military pay issue at any time in recent days. As the House had to do was pass a bill saying as much.

FloatingRock on April 9, 2011 at 12:55 PM

For example, the Senate now has to vote on Obamacare defunding.

Mutnodjmet on April 9, 2011 at 11:19 AM

This promise is only as good as the piece of paper it is written on. Now that the budget bill for the remainder of FY11 is in the can there is no pressure on Reed to bring it up.

chemman on April 9, 2011 at 12:57 PM

chump, don’t get too excited. I think the Republicans can run the actual Elephant and beat Barry.

sandee on April 9, 2011 at 12:54 PM

Oh, it’s going to be that easy, eh?

But really, how can one not be excited when people are actually putting their hopes in the likes of Donald Bleeding Trump!

No, I’m not going to be careful what I wish for!

chumpThreads on April 9, 2011 at 12:58 PM

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