Who won the budget fight?

posted at 9:32 am on April 9, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

As everyone knows by now, the Great Government Shutdown of 2011 has been called off … or at least postponed.  Republicans finished what the Democrats wouldn’t by clinching a budget deal late last night, finishing up the FY2011 budget with a total reduction in spending of $49 billion:

Under the terms of the agreement, the six-month bill will slash $38.5 billion from current spending levels, which is $23 billion less than the reductions Republicans originally demanded but $30 billion more than what Democrats had initially offered to cut.

President Obama praised the budget compromise and the prevention of a shutdown. He warned the cuts would affect services and infrastructure work, even as he acknowledged the need for spending reductions. “I would not have made these cuts in better circumstances,” Obama said.

The bill does not include a Republican provision to de-fund Planned Parenthood, which provides health care services for women, including abortion. The Planned Parenthood provision was one of the main sticking points during the negotiations, with the GOP insisting it remain in the bill.

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, agreed to remove the Planned Parenthood provision in exchange for an agreement that would allow Congress to take up the funding issue separately.The Republicans also won inclusion of a provision that will require the Senate to vote on a bill to de-fund the health care reform law.

Another provision won by Republicans would prohibit the District of Columbia from spending local or federal funds on abortion services.

This looks less like a victory for either side and more of a five-month truce.  The fight to cut just a tiny slice of the overall budget took months to resolve, and all of these issue will arise again in September when Congress has to pass the FY2012 budget.  Don’t expect the fight to get any easier, at least not on discretionary spending.

But that’s not the big problem anyway.  The big problem in the budget is entitlement spending, which will require months to review for reform.  The only proposal on the table for that at the moment is Ryan’s plan.  The other option would be to consider the Bowles-Simpson plan, but since Bowles and Simpson both gave at least praise for Ryan’s proposal, Ryan has the momentum.  Now, with FY2011 off the table, the House can move forward on serious entitlement reform that will give an actual opportunity to get significant reductions to the deficit and start us on the path of fiscal sanity.

We’ll see who won in September, but Republicans have achieved one major accomplishment.  Not only did they force the first actual reductions in government spending in ages, but they have changed the political paradigm from whether to cut to how much and where to cut.  That’s a pretty impressive victory for a party that only controls one chamber of Congress.

Update: One last point along these lines.  Democrats have spent the last four months arguing that Republicans were too radical to govern and wanted to destroy government.  Instead, Republicans fashioned a deal on their own terms and passed a budget deal — something Democrats couldn’t or wouldn’t do when they had all the power in DC.  This gives the GOP a lot of credibility on leadership and governance, and all of it at the expense of Harry Reid and Barack Obama.


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At least the military will receive their pay…

OmahaConservative on April 9, 2011 at 9:34 AM

The status quo won…

Gohawgs on April 9, 2011 at 9:35 AM

America lost

darwin-t on April 9, 2011 at 9:36 AM

You should thank Obama for being fiscally responsible-Boxer

artist on April 9, 2011 at 9:36 AM

We’ll see who won in September, but Republicans have achieved one major accomplishment. Not only did they force the first actual reductions in government spending in ages, but they have changed the political paradigm from whether to cut to how much and where to cut. That’s a pretty impressive victory for a party that only controls one chamber of Congress.

I agree with this, but they have got to get their hands around the narrative. Boehner should not be selling this as a win. He should be selling it as the pittance that it is, the little tiny bit of cuts he could get with controlling only the House, and he should MOCK the dems — and Obama — for calling it “historic.” Mock, mock, mock. The dems should NOT be patting themselves on the back for this, and the GOP needs to point that out.

Rational Thought on April 9, 2011 at 9:36 AM

We’ll see who won in September, but Republicans have achieved one major accomplishment. Not only did they force the first actual reductions in government spending in ages, but they have changed the political paradigm from whether to cut to how much and where to cut. That’s a pretty impressive victory for a party that only controls one chamber of Congress.

Thank you, Ed. People on here need to chill the hell out. The GOP can’t make any significant cuts(i.e. the kind Rand Paul is talking about) when the Dems control the Senate and White House.

Even Paul Ryan’s budget ain’t gonna happen before 2013. The best it’ll do is frame the debate for the 2012 election which will be great for highlighting the differences between the Republicans and Democrats. At that point, the ball will be in the American people’s court as far as which direction this country goes.

Doughboy on April 9, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Can. Road. Kick it.

Fallon on April 9, 2011 at 9:38 AM

Can. Road. Kick it.

Fallon on April 9, 2011 at 9:38 AM

Clangity clang clank clank

darwin-t on April 9, 2011 at 9:40 AM

Like George Will always says about fights in academia, “they fight so hard because the stakes are so small.” This was really small beans so nobody “won” or “lost” more than a little skirmish. It’s like saying the South won the first Battle of Bull Run.

rockmom on April 9, 2011 at 9:41 AM

Craven cowards caved.

erp on April 9, 2011 at 9:42 AM

I’ll tell you who lost: unborn babies.

rbendana on April 9, 2011 at 9:42 AM

And the progressive search and destroy America mission continues with a small hiccup..

katy on April 9, 2011 at 9:42 AM

Rational Thought on April 9, 2011 at 9:36 AM

Completely agree!

KMC1 on April 9, 2011 at 9:42 AM

Boehner did what he could do. A skirmish and he lost some men, rhetorically speaking, but he inflicted some wounds as well. Good job, Johnny B. Take a deep breath, patch your wounds, and get on back out there.

ted c on April 9, 2011 at 9:43 AM

It’s a great start, however the finish line is nowhere in sight.
The left is hoping we will get tired of fighting or be fooled into thinking the war is over.
It’s time to scream and hollar for more cuts, from all sides.

LeeSeneca on April 9, 2011 at 9:43 AM

Doughboy on April 9, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Agreed!

SoRight on April 9, 2011 at 9:44 AM

Under the terms of the agreement, the six-month bill will slash $38.5 billion from current spending levels, which is $23 billion less than the reductions Republicans originally demanded but $30 billion more than what Democrats had initially offered to cut.

8 billion dollars was all they could find?

Pathetic.

BallisticBob on April 9, 2011 at 9:44 AM

The unborn lost.

kingsjester on April 9, 2011 at 9:44 AM

I appreciate the Speaker’s work. Just one-half of one-third of government, yet the conversation has changed. America has awakened.

publiuspen on April 9, 2011 at 9:44 AM

rbendana on April 9, 2011 at 9:42 AM

+1

OmahaConservative on April 9, 2011 at 9:45 AM

To dissatisfied conservatives and independents, I think the response needs to be the following: fine, look at your congressional district and look at your state–we can’t turn this around as long as there are Dems representing purple districts and purple states. Write off the congressional districts and states where the GOP cannot win and concentrate on the districts and states that ought to have GOP member of the House and Senate.

And, of course, Obama has to be a one-term president.

BuckeyeSam on April 9, 2011 at 9:45 AM

Who won the budget fight?

To hear a lot of folks on Hot Air last night…

“The GOP should be abandoned, the Tea Party did nothing at all, and we didn’t cut a dime, and Boehner is a boner, Sarah Palin screwed things up and Michele Bachmann lied or something.”

And those complaining the loudest never cited a single thing except Boehner “promised” $100 billion and all he got was a cut in DC abortion services or some other token piece of cr*p, and, the House should have just gone over the heads of the Senate and just got the law passed whether Obama liked it or not.

Civics seems not to be one of the strong points around here of late.

Getting a bit old and tired of once again watching conservatives (small case) eat their own young and then complain there is no next generation to fight the Dems.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 9:46 AM

Colonial Williamsburg?

profitsbeard on April 9, 2011 at 9:46 AM

A major field of this battle is in the media, new v. old, and that becomes central as the struggle to define the issue continues. In the past, we always lost exactly here, but it’s different now than it was in ’95.

paul1149 on April 9, 2011 at 9:47 AM

Ed Morrissey- It would be so helpful with all these huge numbers being thrown around, if you could give us a visual pie chart. It would show the overall budget and the % the budget deal decreases it by as well as entitlements, military, etc percentages. Also a graph showing the growth of government budgets by decade would be beneficial. There are a lot of us visual learners out here. Thanks, Don

3dpuzzman on April 9, 2011 at 9:47 AM

We’ll see who won in September, but Republicans have achieved one major accomplishment. Not only did they force the first actual reductions in government spending in ages, but they have changed the political paradigm from whether to cut to how much and where to cut. That’s a pretty impressive victory for a party that only controls one chamber of Congress.

I agree with this, but they have got to get their hands around the narrative. Boehner should not be selling this as a win. He should be selling it as the pittance that it is, the little tiny bit of cuts he could get with controlling only the House, and he should MOCK the dems — and Obama — for calling it “historic.” Mock, mock, mock. The dems should NOT be patting themselves on the back for this, and the GOP needs to point that out.

Rational Thought on April 9, 2011 at 9:36 AM

Agreed.

mrsmwp on April 9, 2011 at 9:47 AM

America lost this battle.

If you thought the Tea Party was dead and buried, think again. You ain’t seen nothing yet. You Ain’t Seen NOTHING yet!

Bye, Boehner!

Key West Reader on April 9, 2011 at 9:48 AM

Colonial Williamsburg?

profitsbeard on April 9, 2011 at 9:46 AM

Those knasty, ugly, white, racist founding fathers need a new daddy. And its name is Obama.

Key West Reader on April 9, 2011 at 9:49 AM

Doughboy on April 9, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Exactly.

ladyingray on April 9, 2011 at 9:50 AM

Republicans really have to start making the case that we’re never going to see real reform as long as the Dems are in office. The need to make the case that the Dems are too busy protecting their constituents (PP, NPR, Unions) at the expense of the tax payers.

I’m still very disappointed in this result. I want to see the Republicans stand firm on the debt ceiling.

Iblis on April 9, 2011 at 9:52 AM

Civics seems not to be one of the strong points around here of late.

Getting a bit old and tired of once again watching conservatives (small case) eat their own young and then complain there is no next generation to fight the Dems.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 9:46 AM

Amen.

Red Cloud on April 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM

I kind of wish people would look at this in the larger context. Yeah, the overall number is small in relation to our overall current debt levels. But it’s about 7% of non-discretionary spending, meaning Boehner managed to gut a decent chunk of what was available for him to gut.

He managed to force a Senate vote on ObamaCare, which won’t pass, but is a win-win as far as trying to retake the Senate in 2012 (which we absolutely have to do if we’re going to seriously reform America).

He also managed to actually make one year’s budget smaller than the prevous one. That’s never happened, at least not while I’ve been alive.

All in all it wasn’t a bad night.

BadgerHawk on April 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM

Doughboy on April 9, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Mega dittoes!

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM

If you have to ask who won then your side didn’t win. Boehner should’ve to ObamaReid to take a long walk off a short pier and shut it down. He could’ve introduced legislation this week to fund the troops. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

SouthernGent on April 9, 2011 at 9:54 AM

8 billion dollars was all they could find?

Pathetic.

BallisticBob on April 9, 2011 at 9:44 AM

No, they had $22B in other things they’d found — but apparently they had to give it up for a signature. Hopefully the next President is a Tea Party Republican — as are both houses of Congress.

unclesmrgol on April 9, 2011 at 9:54 AM

I want to see the Republicans stand firm on the debt ceiling.

Iblis on April 9, 2011 at 9:52 AM

Er, I suggest you turn your back then. The debt ceiling is going up.

SouthernGent on April 9, 2011 at 9:56 AM

Ed, first of all, I’m sorely disappointed neither you nor AP ever used the phrase “rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic” during these budget negotiations. Although AP did more or less say it amounted to nothing. Sarah Palin called it “peanuts”. If you’d put it in there sometime soon I’d REALLY appreciate it. :) I just have a fondness for it.

Secondly, this is like the family of 3 whose wife has run up a $40,000 Mastercard bill (though in the case of the debt, that would be more like $150,000 for a family of 3), and they are barely paying off interest, and they decide to eat out only 3 times a week instead of 5. It’s like … like … well, rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Paul-Cincy on April 9, 2011 at 9:56 AM

Who Won The Budget Fight?

The Government.

Stephen Macklin on April 9, 2011 at 9:58 AM

First, the country lost.

Secondly, Dems being the brazen creatures they are, will wind this collapse around Reps’ neck in 2012, citing their broken promises. Anyone recall what they did to Bush the Elder with “No new taxes”?

(For those of you too young to remember, “Read my lips, no new taxes” was a forcefully delivered Bush campaign statement. The Dems focused on forcing Bush to raise taxes, then ran against him for giving in to them. That gave us Clinton, who ran on a promise of a tax cut, which he broke in his first month in office. Clinton’s aides explained that he “kept all the promises that he intended to keep.”)

obladioblada on April 9, 2011 at 9:58 AM

Message to Statist, Progressive Democrats.

No, YOU CAN’T HAVE OUR COUNTRY.

Thanks for trying, though.

Good luck, good will, good riddance and good day.

Key West Reader on April 9, 2011 at 9:59 AM

Anyone have a link to the roll calls?

SouthernGent on April 9, 2011 at 9:59 AM

Oh, something else: Now we know that the Dems are willing to shut the government down over PP funding.

That’s going to be very useful in future debates.

BadgerHawk on April 9, 2011 at 10:00 AM

America lost this battle.

If you thought the Tea Party was dead and buried, think again. You ain’t seen nothing yet. You Ain’t Seen NOTHING yet!

Bye, Boehner!

Key West Reader on April 9, 2011 at 9:48 AM

What would you have had him do? They could have passed 200 billion in cuts and everybody knows it would have gone nowhere.

This is not the greatest deal but it’s a step in the right direction and much better than we would have had if we didn’t control the House at all.

I was watching Fox and Friends this morning and Huckabee made a very good point. No Republican likes this deal but sometimes in government you have to govern with what you have instead of what you wish you had.

gophergirl on April 9, 2011 at 10:00 AM

I’ll take it.
ONWARD !

pambi on April 9, 2011 at 10:01 AM

Getting the commitment for a Senate vote on defunding Obamacare is huge. Even if Reid can hold his votes and defunding fails, it guarantees a R Senate majority in 2012, and very likely the presidency.

Yes, would’ve preferred Boehner, et al., had gotten a 400 billion cut, but that’s going to take serious entitlement reform, which is at least now teed up for next year’s budget. And they damn sure better be ready to shut the government down over that!

TXUS on April 9, 2011 at 10:01 AM

As a military service member who doesn’t have to worry about dealing with Emergency Relief requests, letters of indebtedness, compromised clearances due to damaged credit, or my Soldiers not being able to buy groceries…

I win, IMO.

Sgt Steve on April 9, 2011 at 10:02 AM

obladioblada on April 9, 2011 at 9:58 AM

The Republicans can wrap themselves in the cloak of defeat.

I cloak myself in the Founding Principles of our Nation, I will wrap myself in our Flag.

What just happened needed to happen. The Republicans revealed themselves for what they are. Statists. Authors of Defeat. Disgusting Elitists aligned with the next WH party on the grounds at 1600. Willing to fund murder of American citizens and willing to defund the Military.

Bye, RNC. Bye bye bye bye bye.

Key West Reader on April 9, 2011 at 10:02 AM

And those complaining the loudest never cited a single thing except Boehner “promised” $100 billion and all he got was a cut in DC abortion services or some other token piece of cr*p, and, the House should have just gone over the heads of the Senate and just got the law passed whether Obama liked it or not.

Civics seems not to be one of the strong points around here of late.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 9:46 AM

“civics” is how $100B in Republican cuts got turned into $30B of Democratic cuts plus $8B. We need leaders who could have at least gone to the middle — which, by my simple mathematics, is $65B. Judging by the numbers, this is a big Democratic win. The fact that PP still has its funding is salt in the wounds we sustained in our defeat.

unclesmrgol on April 9, 2011 at 10:03 AM

I swear, sometimes I think I am deaf or stupid. I was unaware that this would be the end of the 2011 Budget. I thought it just another short term Continuing Resolution. I don’t consider myself a moderate but I am always uncomfortable when we attack any particular side of our group. Yesterday someone was declaring the nation was going to melt down because soc cons wanted the PP issue addressed and last night people wanted Speaker Boehner to resign. Neither should happen. We need each other. And while we are complaining, let’s do what we have some power to accomplish. Find and elect good people in our communities to send to DC to help. Also, let’s take a page from Pres. Reagan’s book and find people who are highly qualified and might even be taking a cut in finances and prestige to serve the nation. I’m sure that’s a tall order but we have a lot to gain.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 10:03 AM

gophergirl on April 9, 2011 at 10:00 AM

I expected him to stand. Like a man. And, insist that the Republican party understood the task that they so willingly ascribed to.

That’s what I expected.

What I got was a slap in the farking face.

Key West Reader on April 9, 2011 at 10:04 AM

SouthernGent on April 9, 2011 at 9:59 AM

Michele Bachmann told Cavuto she voted no. She is standing firm on the hundred billion that was promised.

OmahaConservative on April 9, 2011 at 10:05 AM

No Senate, a radical President- what planet are the crybabies on the far right living on?
You bitch and scream when something like this happens when you have the Presidency and both Houses of Congress.
Remember when 2010 was about stopping the insanity- I do.
Boehner is to be congratulated for a favorable truce- November 2012 is where the war will be won or lost.

jjshaka on April 9, 2011 at 10:06 AM

Secondly, this is like the family of 3 whose wife has run up a $40,000 Mastercard bill (though in the case of the debt, that would be more like $150,000 for a family of 3), and they are barely paying off interest, and they decide to eat out only 3 times a week instead of 5. It’s like … like … well, rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Paul-Cincy on April 9, 2011 at 9:56 AM

No. This is more like two-thirds of a french fry off of the Big Mac meal, which is still being purchased by the same legally counterfeit money the fed seems to print nowadays.

unclesmrgol on April 9, 2011 at 10:06 AM

I was watching Fox and Friends this morning and Huckabee made a very good point. No Republican likes this deal but sometimes in government you have to govern with what you have instead of what you wish you had.

gophergirl on April 9, 2011 at 10:00 AM

No. As a leader, you control what you have. You bring it in line with the mandate that you were given to control spending vs. shutting down the Nation.

You can wish in one hand and sh*t in the other and let’s see what comes to fruition first.

We had the 2010 elections to elect Leaders. Not wimps who say, “Oye, geeze, if only I had everyone on my side so they’d go along with what I’m saying, then everyone would love me and everyone would give me chocolate bunnies on Easter”.

F.A.I.L.

Key West Reader on April 9, 2011 at 10:07 AM

From the article quoted above:

The Planned Parenthood provision was one of the main sticking points during the negotiations, with the GOP insisting it remain in the bill.

Shouldn’t that be the Democrats insisted the PP provision remain in the bill?

conservative pilgrim on April 9, 2011 at 10:08 AM

“Who won the budget fight?”

That colored bloke, in the suit, I saw on the tele last night…

… with the smirk on his face.

Seven Percent Solution on April 9, 2011 at 10:09 AM

And those complaining the loudest never cited a single thing except Boehner “promised” $100 billion and all he got was a cut in DC abortion services or some other token piece of cr*p, and, the House should have just gone over the heads of the Senate and just got the law passed whether Obama liked it or not.

Civics seems not to be one of the strong points around here of late.

Getting a bit old and tired of once again watching conservatives (small case) eat their own young and then complain there is no next generation to fight the Dems.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 9:46 AM

Couldn’t agree more old friend.. We also must remember that the HA community has grown very large with people ranging in age from teenagers to old timers. Patience, Tolerance, and political savvy runs thin these days. These are the toughest times I have faced in my 57 years of life. We also must remember that many people come here to vent hot air.

Keemo on April 9, 2011 at 10:09 AM

The major conclusion you can draw is that the fiscal solvency of America is losing, and that what took place last night didn’t change that. In that regard, it was depressing. However, the solvency of this nation was never really part of this budget battle debate in the first place (think about that for a sec., and try to stay away from the bottle). One good thing this has done, however, is completely dissatisfy the base and we’re more fired up for the “big boy” budget battle next year, while also showing us that we are simply going to have to take the Senate and W.H. in 2012. This should motivate the TP and other areas of the GOP base much in the same way it was in 2010. As Wisconsin demonstrates, we can go toe to toe with the Left’s political machinery and win. Let’s take that to 2012 when, rather than just cleaning up the budgetary mess the Dems. left in 2010, we’ll be able to completely shape things in an election year. And I can guarantee you that few democrats will want to die on the “fund PP at all costs!” hill. Outside of being grotesque, barbaric, backwards, and immoral, killing babies isn’t an election winner, period.

Weight of Glory on April 9, 2011 at 10:11 AM

I expected him to stand. Like a man. And, insist that the Republican party understood the task that they so willingly ascribed to.

That’s what I expected.

What I got was a slap in the farking face.

Key West Reader on April 9, 2011 at 10:04 AM

So if they proposed 200 billion in cuts and the government was shut down for months because Boehner refused to give an inch, miltary families were in trouble because of no pay and the GOP was getting the blame – you would have rather had that?

gophergirl on April 9, 2011 at 10:12 AM

Some DC babies will get to live and some DC kids will have a chance at education. That’s a good thing. I wish we had accomplished defunding PP, NPR and OCare. Time to reload. I believe we, “regular” people, are going to have to stiffen our spines and speak out. Frankly I don’t want to – I’d rather leave it to politicians and talk radio. I’m not sure how other than holding up my signs at tea parties. But it’s time to learn how and do it. The future of our country is our responsibility.

msactionjackson on April 9, 2011 at 10:12 AM

BadgerHawk on April 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM


I agree BadgerHawk. People here need to step back and see the big picture. We wasted too much time fighting this FY2011 budget. So what if it is $39, $61, or $100 billion. It is peanuts and makes no significant cuts.

The real fight is going to be the Debt Ceiling and the FY2012 budget that will make the real cuts that will be needed. I am happy to get this little garbage off the table so we can move on to the real stuff. People need to calm down and prepare for the real fight.

The only thing I am happy about this is that the Senate is now going to vote to repeal ObamaCare. It won’t pass, but all of those Senators will now be on record for the 2012 election. Which was the real goal anyway.

DoS_Conservative on April 9, 2011 at 10:13 AM

You people have got to be kidding me. The Demonrats own the White-House and the Senate. It’s virtually impossible for us to pass anything 100% the way we want it. That said and this 40 billion dollar reduction was only for discretionary spending anyway. 100B or 49B is nothing compared to the overwhelming problem that is entitlements, food stamps, welfare, etc. Oh and lets not forget ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. These are the issues that are going to resolve our fiscal crises not some meager 40 billion dollar budget cut deal. Be happy they were able to cut that much out of discretionary and move on to the next actual fight. We won this one no matter how you look at it.

BrianVII on April 9, 2011 at 10:14 AM

If we win back the Senate and WH in 12, we then can make significant changes to what we all now know is the damage levied upon our country by the progressives disguised as Americans and calling themselves Democrats. One election at a time with a very focused base.

Keemo on April 9, 2011 at 10:14 AM

Like they will ever let him bring up the Planned Parenthood provision.. BLAH

reshas1 on April 9, 2011 at 10:15 AM

I wanted more cut (especially PP), but it’s a start. Ezra Klein, a huge lib, agrees with you Ed that Boehner wins and that’s HUGE. Obama and Reid said these cuts were “extreme” and now, suddenly, they’re “historic.” They’ve put themselves in a corner. The conversation is all about cutting and reducing now. They won’t be able to pin a shutdown on the GOP either.

The separate votes on abortion, military funding (?), and Obamacare next week will be telling and have 2012 implications. I’m willing to have some grace with Boehner, but they need to move quickly.

conservative pilgrim on April 9, 2011 at 10:15 AM

Keemo on April 9, 2011 at 10:09 AM

+1 Yup.

d1carter on April 9, 2011 at 10:15 AM

So if they proposed 200 billion in cuts and the government was shut down for months because Boehner refused to give an inch, miltary families were in trouble because of no pay and the GOP was getting the blame – you would have rather had that?

gophergirl on April 9, 2011 at 10:12 AM

Of course not. My entire family is Military. What I objected to the most was the fact that it seemed more important to fund abortion clinics and NPR than funding our troops and our families.

I am disappointed in Boehner; that he did not have the stones to stand up and state the obvious.

We need someone with some stones to lead this Party. It may not be Boehner, but I’m more than willing to listen to his justification.

Key West Reader on April 9, 2011 at 10:15 AM

Thank you, Ed. People on here need to chill the hell out. The GOP can’t make any significant cuts(i.e. the kind Rand Paul is talking about) when the Dems control the Senate and White House.

Even Paul Ryan’s budget ain’t gonna happen before 2013. The best it’ll do is frame the debate for the 2012 election which will be great for highlighting the differences between the Republicans and Democrats. At that point, the ball will be in the American people’s court as far as which direction this country goes.

Doughboy you need to go read your Constitution. There is only 1 section of the government that controls the purse strings and that is the HOUSE which the GOP controlled. They only needed concurrence from the Senate. The Executive is a sideline player in federal budgeting.

Do you understand the concept of ‘you dance with who brung ya.’? The Teas were the vehicle that delivered the House to the GOP. What do you think they feel right about now? Shafted and betrayed are words that come to mind. So when 2012 rolls around the Teas may very well withdraw support and field 3rd party candidates.

If that is what happens then last night was the largest political victory for the Democrats since the 2006 election.

Dr. Dog on April 9, 2011 at 10:16 AM

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 10:03 AM

Yo también.

TXUS on April 9, 2011 at 10:16 AM

BrianVII on April 9, 2011 at 10:14 AM

Thank you!

Now I think it’s time for a HotAir break. Everybody have a pleasant day.

gophergirl on April 9, 2011 at 10:16 AM

hyperpartisans can bicker till the end of time as to who “won”. The military and their families lost as they saw that politics trumps their needs once again. Not one of the sobs in elected office deserves to be re-elected. Imagine the picture of troops calling home from the combat zones to tell their families “Look do what you can with the creditors to give us a break in case the paychecks don’t come….”
And this is what troops in theater were being briefed yesterday as they prepped for the potential shutdown.

Inexcusable

Bradky on April 9, 2011 at 10:17 AM

People on here need to chill the hell out. The GOP can’t make any significant cuts(i.e. the kind Rand Paul is talking about) when the Dems control the Senate and White House.

These are the Palin lunatics who are willing to be destroyed just to be able to pump their fists and claim a moral victory.

rickyricardo on April 9, 2011 at 10:19 AM

Inexcusable

Bradky on April 9, 2011 at 10:17 AM

Dead on accurate…

Keemo on April 9, 2011 at 10:21 AM

The real fight is going to be the Debt Ceiling and the FY2012 budget that will make the real cuts that will be needed. I am happy to get this little garbage off the table so we can move on to the real stuff. People need to calm down and prepare for the real fight.

DoS_Conservative on April 9, 2011 at 10:13 AM

Yep. Boehner only has so much political capital. Everyone agrees that 39, or 61, billion doesn’t make any difference to the looming fiscal disaster.

He got what he could, plus a few additional items that are morally good (voucher program and no funding for DC abortions) and political useful (stand alone Senate vote on ObamaCare), without wasting that capital.

Yes, we all agree that 39 billion is tiny. But I wish people would stop freaking out because Boehner didn’t manage to abolish the EPA and reform entitlements with a continuing resolution.

BadgerHawk on April 9, 2011 at 10:22 AM

These are the Palin lunatics who are willing to be destroyed just to be able to pump their fists and claim a moral victory.

rickyricardo on April 9, 2011 at 10:19 AM

I am no Palin lunatic, in fact I have no love for her whatsoever. Yet I am pissed off because the GOP caved yet again. Now be a good little troll and piss off.

angryed on April 9, 2011 at 10:23 AM

For decades, while the Lions and Browns have kept losing their faithful fans have kept making excuses: poor officiating, injuries, etc. “The team really isn’t that bad. Wasn’t the win over the Rams great,” “They may have lost today, but they are showing improvement,” etc.

The fact is the Lions and Browns are still losers.

Sounds like there are lots of Lions and Browns fans on this thread.

bw222 on April 9, 2011 at 10:23 AM

Well, both sides agreed to sink any pretense of fiscal concern for the next two years when they cut that corrupt crap sandwich of a lame duck budget deal last December. The Repubs got a redux in the payroll tax and the Dems got semi-permanent unemployment benefits extended for 2 more years. Oh, and it added another $1T to the tab.

johnboy on April 9, 2011 at 10:23 AM

Boehner is to be congratulated for a favorable truce- November 2012 is where the war will be won or lost.

jjshaka

Nope. The best thing that could have happened is that there was a govt shutdown. Within a couple of weeks much of the country of a range of political views would realize that we do operate as a people unfettered by govt. Besides you just lost the best chance to live like an American did 2 centuries a go — free of ATF, EPA, Edu, etc. even if for a brief moment in time.

Dr. Dog on April 9, 2011 at 10:24 AM

At the start of the debate the GOP demands were:

$100B cut
NPR funding cut
Planned Parenthood funding cut

They got
$38B cuts.
NPR funding untouched
PP funding untouched.

So they got 38% of the cuts they wanted and 0% of the PP/NPR funding cuts they wanted.

I don’t know about the rest of you, but when I negotiate and I get less than 40% of what I want out of a deal, I don’t feel like I’ve won anything.

angryed on April 9, 2011 at 10:25 AM

These are the Palin lunatics who are willing to be destroyed just to be able to pump their fists and claim a moral victory.

rickyricardo on April 9, 2011 at 10:19 AM

The only lunatic on this thread is you.

bw222 on April 9, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Getting a bit old and tired of once again watching conservatives (small case) eat their own young and then complain there is no next generation to fight the Dems.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 9:46 AM

Agreed.

Some of the people who post in the comments on this site are f***ing clownshoes.

Vyce on April 9, 2011 at 10:26 AM

This was the equivalent of Doolittle’s raid on Tokyo after Pearl Harbor. Republicans only control one house of Congress. It is a process guided by law and the Constitution. We cannot trample the rule of law if we expect to Honor the Constitution that guides us. Just because Dhimmicrats trample the law, doesn’t mean the people will follow conservatives if they stoop to thuggery and subterfuge. The war to win back the Republican Party as the conservative arm of government, and then win back the country under their leadership has only just begun.

The conflict ahead is long and will eventually be bloody. There will be violence. In 1968 liberals resorted to widespread violence to bring down and take over a patriotic Democrat establishment party, usurp American values and replace them with Communist values, and stop the war in VietNam. They will do anything to keep their privileges over us as the war to save America starts to go against them. There will be blood. Do not shy away from their total defeat when they resort to violence and claim some aggrieved status.

This is the first real battle conservatives have won since the election, under the new Congress. We must take progress where we win it. If this is a stalemate, so was the Battle of Coral Sea after Doolittle, So was the raid on Dieppe by British and Canadian commandos in 1942, after Dunkirk. We will not win all our battles. But as long as we keep the pressure up against Dhimmicrats in Congress AND in our public sector, conservative values will win out.

This war to save America, (and make no mistake, it is an ideological war that will turn violent in the end) will last for many more years. We weren’t brought to this level of corruption in a year. We won’t escape it in a year. But all we can do is give our “blood, toil, tears, and sweat” to this war, as our fathers and grandfathers did to win their Victories for Freedom.

This is encouraging. The Dhimmicrats are starting to have to respond to us. The momentum has changed. And the press is beginning to recognize their duplicity in ruining America. Keep up the pressure on your Congressmen, on your state and local governments. Leave no traitorous Dhimmi politician in power anywhere. Press on. No end but Victory.

Subsunk

Subsunk on April 9, 2011 at 10:28 AM

Bradky on April 9, 2011 at 10:17 AM

That’s the real tonic. The Dems have exposed themselves on their priorities (but we already knew this). They use and abuse the military they “love” only for political expediency.

There were very few Republicans blasting the Dems on the issue too.

conservative pilgrim on April 9, 2011 at 10:29 AM

I appreciate the Speaker’s work. Just one-half of one-third of government, yet the conversation has changed. America has awakened.

publiuspen on April 9, 2011 at 9:44 AM

You said it better than I was going to.
To all of the gloom-&-doom nattering nabobs of negativity, try to understand that a battleship doesn’t turn on a dime. (As if dimes could float.)

itsnotaboutme on April 9, 2011 at 10:29 AM

For decades, while the Lions and Browns have kept losing their faithful fans have kept making excuses: poor officiating, injuries, etc. “The team really isn’t that bad. Wasn’t the win over the Rams great,” “They may have lost today, but they are showing improvement,” etc.

The fact is the Lions and Browns are still losers.

Sounds like there are lots of Lions and Browns fans on this thread.

bw222 on April 9, 2011 at 10:23 AM


If you look at it that way, they you are treating this one budget battle like it was an entire NFL season. I don’t. Using your analogy, I would treat it like a single game in a long two year season and the GOP just won a 7-6 game against the Dems. It wasn’t a pretty game, but it was a victory. Now we have even bigger games in this two year season coming up and we need to prepare to win these and perform much better in these than this last one.

DoS_Conservative on April 9, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Subsunk on April 9, 2011 at 10:28 AM

Well said!

conservative pilgrim on April 9, 2011 at 10:32 AM

Had the RNC been running things in 1776…

Come on guys we can’t expect to just declare ourselves independent. We have to work with King George. We have to be reasonable here, and can’t be held hostage by those tea party crazies. I know you all would like a free and independent country, but it’s just not possible realistically. And besides, just imagine what the Old York Times would have to say about it? They’d crucify us.

No thanks.

angryed on April 9, 2011 at 10:32 AM

Levin on Cavuto was teh awesome.

redridinghood on April 9, 2011 at 10:32 AM

These are the Palin lunatics who are willing to be destroyed just to be able to pump their fists and claim a moral victory.

rickyricardo on April 9, 2011 at 10:19 AM

I’m not going to single out Palin or her supporters (although some of them fall into this category), but yes, there are a disturbing number of people in conservative circles who have a very deep-seated martyr complex, who have far more passion and interest in destroying Republicans and other conservatives for failing to live up to, in their mind, their own perceived conservative code. They don’t care if that ultimately results in a Democrat majority (or supermajority), in many ways they seem to WANT that. I guess there’s some sort of prophecy that states that the “true conservative messiah” won’t come to rescue them until Dems get complete control again and turn us into an utterly failed European social-welfare state.

Vyce on April 9, 2011 at 10:33 AM

If you look at the cuts on a prorated basis, they look pretty good. They ended up getting $49B total from all CRs over a portion of the year. And they changed the dynamic from “will we cut” to “how much will we cut”. Reid had to sit back and change his tune from $32b in cuts being too much to celebrating $39b in cuts. Even Obama had to accept cuts he would not have made himself. It is a sea change.

For those that are upset, I would remind you that the Repubs only had the House. They cannot ram things through the Senate and the White House. If you want to see real changes, stop pouting and realize that electing at the least a Republican Senate is the next step to cutting spending.

The Opinionator on April 9, 2011 at 10:34 AM

..like a busload of lawyers going over a cliff: it’s a start.

The War Planner on April 9, 2011 at 10:35 AM

Who do you think won??? The Democrats won!! Plain and simple, these comments today are disappointing, listen, if the Dems agree to “ANYTHING”, they won!! What is needed apparently is a complete transfusion of Republicans to TEA PARTY elected reps.

royzer on April 9, 2011 at 10:37 AM

Subsunk on April 9, 2011 at 10:28 AM

Well stated…

Keemo on April 9, 2011 at 10:37 AM

Vyce on April 9, 2011 at 10:33 AM

Dude you don’t get it. Whether you have 60 Dems in power or 50 Dems and 10 RINOs, the end result is the same.

What I don’t get is people like you who automatically embrace everything anyone with an R next to their name says. Reminds be a lot of the Bush years when practiacally nobody in the conservative world would criticize him. After all imagine how much worse things would be with a Dem in office.

The difference now is speed. Do we get to Greece in 10 years or 12 years. With Obama’s plan it’s 10. With Boehner and Co. it’s 12. Phew, I feel much better now.

angryed on April 9, 2011 at 10:38 AM

Hey, nattering nabobs of negativity (to quote George H W Bush):

We got $38 billion in federal spending cuts! Cuts! We got big-spenders Reid & Obama to sign off on cuts! And it’s $78.5 billion less spending than what Obama originally wanted!

We got a ban the use of federal or local government funds to pay for abortions in the District of Columbia!

We got a program that lets District of Columbia students use federally funded vouchers to attend private schools!

And we’re forcing the Senate to vote on defunding Planned Parenthood & NPR for good!

itsnotaboutme on April 9, 2011 at 10:38 AM

..like a busload of lawyers going over a cliff: it’s a start.

The War Planner on April 9, 2011 at 10:35 AM

LMAO… How true.

Keemo on April 9, 2011 at 10:38 AM

Doughboy and Subsunk — well said. This is a battle in a larger war.

jaschenb74 on April 9, 2011 at 10:39 AM

Angryed,

Please explain how you would have done things differently.

The Opinionator on April 9, 2011 at 10:39 AM

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