Poll: Who was the budget battle’s biggest loser?

posted at 3:00 pm on April 9, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

I suspect that this will be a topic that will be endlessly debated, or at least until the budget debates for FY2012 and entitlement reform begin in earnest.  Rather than decide who the biggest winner is, it’s probably easier to focus on who lost more in this debate and its eventual settlement.  Before I offer the poll, I’ll walk through some of the options and the arguments for and against each:

  • John Boehner — Plenty of people have already expressed anger over his dealmaking, and it remains to be seen whether his caucus will reward or punish him for the budget compromise.  As I’ve argued here and here today, Boehner got quite a bit more than seemed possible at the start of the year, considering that the GOP only controlled one chamber of Congress.  He also forced Harry Reid and Barack Obama to re-open the DC school voucher program, a small but important pushback on educational reform.  He didn’t get the $100 billion in cuts he promised or the $61 billion the House passed, but the House isn’t going to get everything it wants in the 112th Session of Congress, either.  He got a budget passed on his terms — cuts — which is more than can be said for …
  • Nancy Pelosi — The former Speaker wasn’t even around for the budget compromise.  She was in Boston, talking about how great she was as Speaker when, er, her party wouldn’t pass a budget despite having a 77-seat majority and full control of Washington.  In the House, the minority is largely irrelevant, so Pelosi didn’t have much to lose except her reputation.  Boehner’s ability to close a deal while making her just a voice in the peanut gallery on what was supposed to be her budget did about as much damage to that reputation as possible.  Democrats angry over the cuts only have Pelosi to blame for not producing a budget.
  • The Tea Party — We’ll hear that compromise by Boehner is some sort of rebuke to the Tea Party from the media, a meme that will gain some traction as Tea Party favorites in Boehner’s caucus publicly criticize the deal.  But it’s hard to see how the Tea Party lost at all.  At stake in these negotiations was the remainder of non-security discretionary spending in the FY2011 budget, which amounted to somewhere short of $230 billion (the Tea Party pushed to protect defense and security spending).  On that playing field, Boehner cut almost $40 billion, or over 17% of the available pool left.  He was able to do that because the Tea Party changed the political paradigm in Washington from making slight adjustments to the rate of increase in spending to actual cuts in spending.  That paradigm will continue and strengthen now that Boehner proved that cuts are actually possible — and politically beneficial.
  • Barack Obama — After months of irrelevancy, supposedly deliberate, Obama sailed in at the last minute to cut a deal with Boehner.  That will earn him praise from the usual media suspects, but voters are going to wonder what took him so long.  The budget was due last September, and we have been running on a series of several continuing resolutions.  Why did Obama wait to get involved until more than halfway into the fiscal year?  More to the point, why is he cutting deals with Republicans now when he could have gotten a much better deal from Democrats in 2010?  Only a loser waits until he has no leverage, which brings us to …
  • Harry Reid — As I pointed out yesterday, Reid could have passed a budget months ago.  He may not have been able to act in the absence of a House bill, thanks to Pelosi’s abdication of responsibilities, but the Senate could have passed a response to HR1 earlier this year.  That would have forced a conference committee, where Reid could have exercised his influence to the highest degree to get a deal he wanted.  Instead, Reid punted.  That put Obama in position to do his 11th-hour swoop and take credit for the eventual budget agreement.  Reid made himself irrelevant, as opposed to Pelosi’s operational irrelevancy.  In the end, Reid was a bystander; Boehner entirely bypassed him and forced Obama to negotiate with him as an equal, a result that raises Boehner’s stature at the expense of Obama and especially Reid.  Boehner even strongarmed Reid into giving the Speaker control of the Senate floor with the agreement to hold votes on ObamaCare repeal and Planned Parenthood defunding.

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I do feel better after reading this post over at Ace’s.

catmman on April 9, 2011 at 3:04 PM

The taxpayer loses.

kringeesmom on April 9, 2011 at 3:06 PM

I vote for Ms. Pelosi, with all the turmoil and excitement the last couple of weeks, she look totally inconsequential. It a long fall from head cheerleader to team mascot.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 3:07 PM

Biggest loosers, the producers, the middle class, and their progeny, then country…

Obama saps the lands, one second at a time.

Stop the charlatanry.

Schadenfreude on April 9, 2011 at 3:07 PM

The country?

sharrukin on April 9, 2011 at 3:07 PM

look = looks, grammar is my friend.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 3:07 PM

The unborn.

Vera on April 9, 2011 at 3:07 PM

lands = land

Schadenfreude on April 9, 2011 at 3:08 PM

“Other” being the people, as usual.

Rae on April 9, 2011 at 3:08 PM

Pelosi is an incontinent (of the panties and the mouth) has been hag.

Reid is an incontinent (of the pants and the brain) turkey.

Obama is a narcissistic fraud, who’ll always live like a billionaire, claiming to be for “the people”. Irony, oh, irony!

Boehner tries but shows reverence to the fraud.

The losers are the good citizens of the U.S. and their children/grandchildren.

Schadenfreude on April 9, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Boehner. Read Andrew McCarthy this morning at NRO’s corner.

JohnInCA on April 9, 2011 at 3:11 PM

The taxpayer loses.
kringeesmom on April 9, 2011 at 3:06 PM

Agree. Had to choose Other (The Taxpayer).

Mr_Magoo on April 9, 2011 at 3:14 PM

This.

The country?

sharrukin on April 9, 2011 at 3:07 PM

JavelinaBomb on April 9, 2011 at 3:15 PM

The American people were the losers on this deal, as they always are.

It’ll be real interesting when the details of these “cuts” see the light of day. I heard Rove say that the GOP actually got cuts of $78 billion because that is the difference between what Obama wanted and what they ended up with. Gee, just think. If Obama had asked $200 billon more in his budget proposal, we could claim savings of $239 billion. Now, doesn’t that sound better? Rove is an idiot.

They’re all a bunch of crooks and liars.

NoNails on April 9, 2011 at 3:16 PM

He came in as ‘No Drama Obama’ and instead we get the Drama Queen Obama.

Cut the drama and do your damned job: all of you.

ajacksonian on April 9, 2011 at 3:17 PM

I went with Dear Liar. There wasn’t going to be entitlement reform right now anyway, and until there is entitlement reform all cuts are going to be inconsequential. I think Boehner got as much as was going to get, remember that the Dems still control the Senate & WH.

But rather than looking above the fray, The Whine looked aloof, detached and uncaring.

rbj on April 9, 2011 at 3:17 PM

The taxpayer loses.

kringeesmom on April 9, 2011 at 3:06 PM

I voted “other” with this in mind.

zmdavid on April 9, 2011 at 3:22 PM

At least, dear leader recognizes that ‘we have to live within our means’. That’s what he said last night. What, you don’t believe him.

Kissmygrits on April 9, 2011 at 3:32 PM

LOSERS: The American People

The parties involved spent more time worrying who would get blamed for a shutdown instead of going about the people’s business of bringing the financial house in order.

If cooked-up polls reflect that Boehner and the GOP “lost” and they care… we’re doomed because they won’t fight very hard on the FY2012 budget… they’ll look for symbolic victories they think will appease the Tea Party.

mankai on April 9, 2011 at 3:34 PM

I vote for Ms. Pelosi, with all the turmoil and excitement the last couple of weeks, she look totally inconsequential. It a long fall from head cheerleader to team mascot.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 3:07 PM

but she looks like this (inconsequential) ever since she lost the gavel :-)…and no doubt she was a negligible quantity in the latest ‘fight’/political circus…or conspicuously absent..even more so than O, if this is possible…at least O canceled his vacation and visit to Indiana :-), so he convinced me that he cared :-)…but Mrs P chose a Boston escape on the D Day instead :-) …don’t think she lost anything, really, she wasn’t even in the ‘cards’ or a ‘player’ to begin with…

jimver on April 9, 2011 at 3:37 PM

I lost because apparently I sent the GOP to congress to kill women and they haven’t succeeded at killing even one to date.

/

mankai on April 9, 2011 at 3:38 PM

The taxpayer loses.

kringeesmom

Yep, that’s why I voted Everyone. Everyone and No One should have been separated on the options btw.

The truth is that while all the media and bloggers are trying to decide who won and lost the political battle here the taxpayer, the children of taxpayers, and even their children are the ones that lost this battle.

Maybe the Tea Party will move on this and start forming up as a legit third party option.

Benaiah on April 9, 2011 at 3:39 PM

The country?

Easy to see that in the short run….. But in the long term, this will be a big win. By forcing vote on the ryders (which were essentually non-starters anyway), Boehner jacks up the heat on Senete Dems, by making them vote on politically touchy topics so close to reelection. The entire country hates Obamacare, not Boehner just strongarmed the Dems into once again picking a side (the people or Obama), followed by fairly quickly facing those same people to vote them back in.

My guess is that 4-5 (all that’s needed) Senete Dems cave to political winds and vote for repeal, forcing Obama himself to weigh in with a veto. vetoing soming the PEOPLE very much want right in the middle of reelction cycle is a perfect 1-term recipe.

The political gamemanship on Boehner’s part was pretty good. Obama proved again, he sucks as much as a negotiator as a leader.

Mavs00 on April 9, 2011 at 3:41 PM

We the people….

NickDeringer on April 9, 2011 at 3:41 PM

Pelosi is obviously the biggest loser of the year, but for this particular deal she was a non-entity. That leaves Reid.

Overall, the voters brought this on themselves. The fact that most Democrat voters no doubt consume more than they produce is still no excuse for the rest of us.

pedestrian on April 9, 2011 at 3:42 PM

I vote for Ms. Pelosi, with all the turmoil and excitement the last couple of weeks, she look totally inconsequential. It a long fall from head cheerleader to team mascot.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 3:07 PM

Yep. Ditto this. Reid looked pretty bad, but he was in the game. Pelosi wasn’t even in the game. Epic fail, Nancy.

joejm65 on April 9, 2011 at 3:44 PM

We were never going to get PP, EPA, or a significant $ amount. We got some significant stuff, in addition to change of momentum.

Check out the cartoon at the bottom of this AmerThinker post.

Øbama & Dems would rather kill babies than pay our soldiers. That’s going to stick, and mainly to Ø. Øbama loses.

jodetoad on April 9, 2011 at 3:46 PM

The taxpayer loses.

kringeesmom on April 9, 2011 at 3:06 PM

My thought exactly. Some cuts are better than no cuts I guess, but it’s such a small drop in the ocean of spending it hardly makes a difference.

Can we really survive as a country for 2 more years of almost unrestrained spending?

BTW, where were the Senate Repubs in all this?

Common Sense on April 9, 2011 at 3:50 PM

Somehow “the Republican Party” didn’t make it on the list. They squandered their best opportunity to do some serious cutting while not having to suffer any political ramifications in a non election year. If they didn’t take the Democrats’ planned parenthood and PBS scare cards off the table in this safe year, they certainly won’t touch those things in an election year. And those are the two most unimportant pieces of government spending that exist. That is why conservatives are disgusted by their continued funding.

In 2012 we will only see fake spending cuts for future budget years that this congress won’t control and has no way of making the future congresses abide by.

Buddahpundit on April 9, 2011 at 3:51 PM

At least this preliminary battle over mild cuts forced the Dhemmicrats to put force their full arsenal of screeches about spending cuts killing women, an argument which will lose its hysterical force the more it is used by the desperate hacks of the party of the Union of Socialist State of America, all led by the
Lion of Libya.

On the radio, he was taking credit for the unprecedented cut in spending!
He is unbelievable in his arrogance.

Dhuka on April 9, 2011 at 3:55 PM

Look, for all conservatives who are upset about the deal.

Yes, it was a crap sandwich.

But all this diner serves is crap sandwiches and you knew that when we came in.

We got the best crap sandwich we were going to get.

You think if Boehner had let the government shut down that in 2 or 3 weeks he would’ve been able to get more? You’re f***ing dreaming. No matter the short term results, the long term results would have been the public being upset with the GOP. You could see that in Wisconsin recently, as over time, the polls started to shift away from Walker.

We can win short battles where we can stick it to the Dems. We don’t win long drawn out ones. We won’t until alternative media is a bigger force. We’re almost there, but we ain’t there yet.

Yesterday, Boehner was negotiating from a position of strength. However, he was still negotiating against people who either a) don’t think we have a financial crisis looming, or b) don’t care. That puts a theoretical max on what he can get. And it ain’t high. He probably got just about the best he could get out of it. The PP defunding votes and ObamaCare defunding votes will help GOP next November. As will how he handled this. A shutdown would’ve hurt GOP in November, and we’d lose what we gained in ’10. And after a shutdown of any kind of length, he would’ve been negotiating from a position of weakness.

The only way we’re going to win this war is by fighting it one battle at a time, and pushing for each little small concession we can get. And then doing it again. And again. And again. And again.

Until that clown is out of the White House, and that clown from Nevada relinquishes his Leadership. Then we can go for the big wins. Right now, we have to fight and fight and fight for every penny. And not be pissed when we only got a nickel.

Boehner is doing that. But he has two goals. Remember that. His goal is to get what he can from Obama, but also to make the Dems look foolish and the GOP look better, so that he can keep this fight going in 2012 and 2013 and beyond.

If he makes everyone pissed off at the GOP and they give up and elect the Dems again in 2012, it’s over.

Goddammit people, I know you’re complaining that people aren’t looking at the big picture, but you also have to face facts and reality and look at the long term picture. As much as I might like it and you might like it, we’re not winning this war in 2011, or even in early 2012. We win small battles wherever we can in 2011 and 2012. Then we win the big battles in November 2012 and 2013.

That’s the only way it’s going to happen. We’re on the Titanic and we’ve seen the iceberg. But the Titanic doesn’t turn on a dime. Particularly not with a blind man at the wheel.

Chris of Rights on April 9, 2011 at 3:56 PM

How about a dishonorable mention for Fox News for indicating “Breaking News” all day yesterday when nothing happened until Midnight.

50sGuy on April 9, 2011 at 3:57 PM

The political gamemanship on Boehner’s part was pretty good. Obama proved again, he sucks as much as a negotiator as a leader.

Mavs00 on April 9, 2011 at 3:41 PM

agree and…agree!

jimver on April 9, 2011 at 3:57 PM

The country?

sharrukin on April 9, 2011 at 3:07 PM

Gotta love consistency.///

heshtesh on April 9, 2011 at 3:57 PM

Soetoro lost.

Fact is, even if the GOP got everything proposed, it still would only be a drop in the bucket RE the finacial disaster we’re in. The only way out, is a supermajority senate and a true conservative president doing serious, gut-wrenching entitlement cuts starting 2013.

That has to be the overriding goal, and Boehner outfoxed them all, making them look like rubes, and paving the way toward the 2012 elections.

Rebar on April 9, 2011 at 3:58 PM

The American people are the biggest losers! We had to take ANOTHER bite of the $hit sandwich our elected officials serve to us EVERY TIME THEY PASS LAWS!!!!!!!!!!

csdeven on April 9, 2011 at 3:58 PM

Now that we know the game, let’s get a stand-alone military bill passed and at next opportunity–savor the shutdown.

Barnestormer on April 9, 2011 at 4:02 PM

Hmm, not to be finicky but this is like saying who won the first minute of a football game. Or kickoff.

There’s a long way to go and by the time this is over, we won’t remember anything about this skirmish.

I guess a small victory to Boehner but it’s clear that Obama is looking solely for his re-election and the longer term. He’ll give in now to better position himself for 2012.

SteveMG on April 9, 2011 at 4:04 PM

I vote for Ms. Pelosi, with all the turmoil and excitement the last couple of weeks, she look totally inconsequential. It a long fall from head cheerleader to team mascot.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 3:07 PM

That was my vote as well.

jnelchef on April 9, 2011 at 4:07 PM

Interesting, the talk now is to raise the debt ceiling.
Attacking the Ryan plan.

Kini on April 9, 2011 at 4:09 PM

pelosi, she was clearly a non-entity.

rob verdi on April 9, 2011 at 4:12 PM

I think Boehner, but then again it was not really the kind of situation in which there is a winner.

The truth is it is the first stop on a very long road.

I know that people wanted Boehner to do the impossible and make the Democrats say how high when he said jump…but the truth is this was just finishing the old budget with only discretionary spending to work with. And the Republicans only control the House and the Democrats still have the Senate and the White House…in other words even if Boehner had refused to take off the PP rider, the Senate would not have passed the budget and even if they had Obama would have vetoed the measure.

You have to be realistic and get the best deal you can get with the people you have to deal with. That is just the reality.

I know people think that they should have let the government shut down, but that would have gotten old with tax payers pretty quick and they still would have been facing the same situation down the road.

Time to move to the next phase.

Terrye on April 9, 2011 at 4:12 PM

I think obama, because once again he looks disengaged, aloof and unable to make decisions or lead. Then he sails into the limelight and pontificates to everyone. It keeps happening – the gulf spill, egypt, libya, the budget. At some point, the guy on the street is going to catch on.

paul1149 on April 9, 2011 at 4:14 PM

Democrats actually think abortion (women’s health) is an issue which works for them, trying to place Republican senators on record as opposed to women’s health. It’s more politics of division rather than persuasion, from the party of ideas.

exdeadhead on April 9, 2011 at 4:14 PM

Huh, I voted Harry Reid, and I am in the majority.

Dr Evil on April 9, 2011 at 4:17 PM

I’ve calmed down a bit since last night. Wish we could have done more, but I think we moved the ball in our direction, as opposed to always fighting to lose less yards.

The biggest loser? The country.

El_Terrible on April 9, 2011 at 4:17 PM

Chuck Schumer isn’t in the poll..Mr tea party talking points.

Dr Evil on April 9, 2011 at 4:18 PM

E. Klein is an honest leftie.

Obama acts like he won (who expected otherwise from this cheat?) but he lost.

Schadenfreude on April 9, 2011 at 4:20 PM

The taxpayers and the unborn.

yogi41 on April 9, 2011 at 4:20 PM

Look, for all conservatives who are upset about the deal.

Yes, it was a crap sandwich.

But all this diner serves is crap sandwiches and you knew that when we came in.

We got the best crap sandwich we were going to get.

You think if Boehner had let the government shut down that in 2 or 3 weeks he would’ve been able to get more? You’re f***ing dreaming. No matter the short term results, the long term results would have been the public being upset with the GOP. You could see that in Wisconsin recently, as over time, the polls started to shift away from Walker.

Chris of Rights on April 9, 2011 at 3:56 PM

So many great points; I agree with them all. Bravo!

Mutnodjmet on April 9, 2011 at 4:22 PM

It’s clear to me that Obama has learned – or took a lesson from – his involvement with the health care legislation and other measures and decided that he’s going to try and be “above” the fray.

That is, let the Democrats and Republicans battle it out and try to be the mediator and appear the most “reasonble” voice.

This is all about 2012. He’s willing to toss the Democrats overboard if he has to.

SteveMG on April 9, 2011 at 4:26 PM

Boehner got quite a bit more than seemed possible at the start of the year

Wrong.

Boehner got quite a bit more than seemed possible

BEFORE the Nov. blowout when this budget was due!
This can’t be stressed enough!

Thru Obama’s, Nancy and Harry’s gutless, spineless, inept, clueless “leadership”, their collective incompetence in not passing a budget when it was due, ceded power to the Rep’s. and the Tea Party.

If your a Dem and you worked to get Obama elected and put congress in control of the Dems, you have to now realize Obama, Nancy and Harry just gave you the finger!

DSchoen on April 9, 2011 at 4:29 PM

The unborn.

Vera on April 9, 2011 at 3:07 PM

Exactly.

kingsjester on April 9, 2011 at 4:31 PM

So did they kick the can down the road 20 feet or 40 feet. Because we will run in to the same can again and again and again and in very short order. They did nothing that will be relevant in months.

tjexcite on April 9, 2011 at 4:32 PM

I lost because apparently I sent the GOP to congress to kill women and they haven’t succeeded at killing even one to date.

mankai on April 9, 2011 at 3:38 PM

all that scaremongering of women tells me that november 2010 scared them a lot. they were reduced to parity in the womens vote for the first time in decades and are intent on scaring women back on to the plantation. they always use the fear stick on women.

perries on April 9, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Ed, all you genius pundits on both sides of the isle are missing the point here today.

The morons in DC spent weeks negotiating cutting a few hours worth of spending.

Does the word screwed mean anything to you?

Jim708 on April 9, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Thru Obama’s, Nancy and Harry’s gutless, spineless, inept, clueless “leadership”, their collective incompetence in not passing a budget when it was due, ceded power to the Rep’s. and the Tea Party.

If your a Dem and you worked to get Obama elected and put congress in control of the Dems, you have to now realize Obama, Nancy and Harry just gave you the finger!

DSchoen on April 9, 2011 at 4:29 PM

exactly! had they done this budget on time, we would have had NO say!
that tells me they fear the tea party. i know they hate us, but now i am sure they fear us and that is good.

pls pardon my typing – am holding a baby.

perries on April 9, 2011 at 4:37 PM

My vote:

Other. The Iranians won the budget battle. A house divided can not stand. We are certainly not united.

Our Congress is a virtual Jihad marketing agency. “No need to be afraid of the US anymore, my brothers….they can’t find their own ass with both hands, and if they did, they wouldn’t agree that 1) it was in fact the ass they were searching for and 2) who found it first.

We have already lost a war our leaders don’t realize is being fought.

BobMbx on April 9, 2011 at 4:38 PM

How about a dishonorable mention for Fox News for indicating “Breaking News” all day yesterday when nothing happened until Midnight.

50sGuy on April 9, 2011 at 3:57 PM

Upside, it was Shemp’s day off.

slickwillie2001 on April 9, 2011 at 4:39 PM

people need to play cards more. you don’t win the game by winning a hand, but you must win hands to win the game. and sometimes, if it will help win, you sacrifice a card here and there. we just won a hand. the other side also won some points, but we are well positioned for the next deal.

hill gop should have mandatory cards night to teach strategy to rank and file. it is fun too

perries on April 9, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Why isn’t American Taxpayer an option? That is the true loser in the budget battle.

ButterflyDragon on April 9, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Thru Obama’s, Nancy and Harry’s gutless, spineless, inept, clueless “leadership”, their collective incompetence in not passing a budget when it was due, ceded power to the Rep’s. and the Tea Party.

exactly! but go and tell that to the ‘all or nothing’ brand of conservatives…0 in spending cuts (which is most likely how a budget plan voted by Dems would have looked like) is so much better than 40 billions indeed…so of course the Dems lost simply because of their massive job dereliction on the issue of last year budget, especially when they controlled both the house and senate…and the folks in this country had the chance to see just that… before this govt shutdown circus and drama a lot of people had no clue that it is actually the last year budget a stake, and not this year’s one…if this doesn’t expose the Dems for the fools and incompetent that they are, I don’t know what would..

jimver on April 9, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Of the other two crooks: Pelosi lost last fall and Obama is teflon.

burt on April 9, 2011 at 4:54 PM

We’ll hear that compromise by Boehner is some sort of rebuke to the Tea Party from the media

K, RINO.

Levinite on April 9, 2011 at 4:56 PM

I think you are giving Obama too much credit.

He gave the negotiations a venue, and said, have at it.

What was Obama’s position? He didn’t have one, except, gitr done crackers.

mockmook on April 9, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Solution: work like hell to make Obama a one-termer and firewall Dems within sky-blue states and districts.

We can no longer afford having purple states send Democrats to Congress. Even if the the GOP controls both houses, it seems that liberals have a chokehold on a shocking segment of the judiciary.

Independents have to wake up and reject the Democratic Party, which is dominated by the two coasts and Illinois.

BuckeyeSam on April 9, 2011 at 4:58 PM

The real question is:

Who demonstrated more leadership in this battle?

- Barrack Hussein?

- Dingy Harry?

- John Boehner?

Clearly it was John Boehner.

He would make a great conservative President.

/Mr Lynn

MrLynn on April 9, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Chris of Rights on April 9, 2011 at 3:56 PM

Right on, brother!

This is last year’s mess! This was not the hill to die on! Now’s the time to start pointing out the kinds of things the Dems wouldn’t cut and ridicule them on it. Mock them for their hysteria (kill women etc.) We have a 2012 budget to work on this year and next up is debt ceiling. We have excellent chances to win big “pots” if we don’t overplay our hands.
Think about this: This was the first time that I can remember the budget was actually cut! Every other time, “cuts” were only slowing the rate of growth. Real cuts. The Dems know now that the next budget will be even more “extreme” and a lot harder to fight.
I checked “Other” because the progressive movement was the real loser. Salt in their wound from losing in Wisconsin.

cartooner on April 9, 2011 at 5:06 PM

I voted 0bama. I suspect he will feel the ramifications of this mess from the left, the middle, and the right.

OmahaConservative on April 9, 2011 at 5:39 PM

E. Klein is an honest leftie.

Obama acts like he won (who expected otherwise from this cheat?) but he lost.

Schadenfreude on April 9, 2011 at 4:20 PM

No such thing as an honest Leftie. Their entire world is built on lies and falsehoods. Heck, they even lie about who they are! They’re not “Liberals” any more, they’re
Progressives”.

Klein is simply smart enough to realize that he would be exposed as a liar if he tried to spin this.

Some of the comments below Klein’s story at the link are absolutely demented. Check this one out:

Do we have to fulfill the conservative dream of returning to a peasant state and then reenact the 20th century again in order for conservatives to yield to reason? Maybe we do have to destroy democracy and enlightened self interest in order to save it. Our right flank is only happy if people are suffering, that the middle class and poor their place as subjects and servants.

As Count Floyd would say, “That’s Scary Stuff, Kids!”

Del Dolemonte on April 9, 2011 at 5:41 PM

they always use the fear stick on women.

perries on April 9, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Not on this one.

katy the mean old lady on April 9, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Obama;disgusted with Obumbles who was willing as C in C to sell out the military in his sordid little game of political self-aggrandizement !

America requires a Statesman, not a Chicago Alinksy political hack.

Sandybourne on April 9, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Who was the budget battle’s biggest loser?

I marked Other, I think the American people are the biggest losers in this wasteful spending going on in DC.

free on April 9, 2011 at 6:03 PM

The people haven’t lost, yet… FY2012 battle is the big one…

Barry demonstrated his incompetence beyond a doubt… Anyone who has gone to Drudge in the past month knows this is a failed American Presidency… The only question here is whether Barry says to himself “Mission Accomplished, be-otches”

phreshone on April 9, 2011 at 6:14 PM

The budget battle biggest loser was the people who voted for the republican congress.
After all, those candidates promised thier constituents that they would cut $100 billion from this year’s budget.
The $38.5 billion cut was a sell out on that capign promise. Republicans never even introduced a bill with $100 billion in cuts. They never even trie to produce a bill with $100 billion in cuts.

why bother.

paulsur on April 9, 2011 at 6:16 PM

Klein is simply smart enough to realize that he would be exposed as a liar if he tried to spin this.

Del Dolemonte

‘exposed as a liar’ by who??? by the other ‘dishonest lefties?? :-)…and why would they do that anyways? :-)…expose him as a liar thast is, if they are all the same and in the same boat…as for the conservative pundits, if they were to expose Klein as a liar, what makes you think that he’d care…precisely that he is a ‘dishonest lefty’, as you put it (there is not such a thing is a honest lefty)…

jimver on April 9, 2011 at 6:17 PM

The budget battle biggest loser was the people who voted for the republican congress.
After all, those candidates promised thier constituents that they would cut $100 billion from this year’s budget.

paulsur

but then there’s an easy remedy and correction available…you can vote Dem in the fall, only a few months left…at least you can be sure that the Dems will promise more spening and you know they always keep their promise when it comes to that :-)… so that should make them honorable in your eyes :-) at least they stand by their promises (in spening matters for sure :-)…

jimver on April 9, 2011 at 6:24 PM

but then there’s an easy remedy and correction available…you can vote Dem in the fall, only a few months left…

jimver on April 9, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Voting Democrat is the only option available. You can vote for the GOP-democrats, or the Democrat-democrats.

So its not like ya’ll don’t have a choice!

sharrukin on April 9, 2011 at 6:33 PM

Taxpayers lost.

GardenGnome on April 9, 2011 at 6:37 PM

You can vote for the GOP-democrats
sharrukin on April 9, 2011 at 6:33 PM

why would you bother with the GOP-democrats when you can have the real thing? authentic, pure, unadulterated Dems that is :-)…

jimver on April 9, 2011 at 6:38 PM

why would you bother with the GOP-democrats when you can have the real thing? authentic, pure, unadulterated Dems that is :-)…

jimver on April 9, 2011 at 6:38 PM

Thats a good question. Why would anyone bother?

sharrukin on April 9, 2011 at 6:43 PM

We need some new and improved negotiating tactics.

Akzed on April 9, 2011 at 6:47 PM

The Progressives!!

canopfor on April 9, 2011 at 6:52 PM

We need some new and improved negotiating tactics.

Akzed on April 9, 2011 at 6:47 PM

That’s probably what happened except with Pelosi slapping Boehner around until he cried.

sharrukin on April 9, 2011 at 6:52 PM

Pelosi slapping Boehner around until he cried.

sharrukin on April 9, 2011 at 6:52 PM

:-) Pelosi wasn’t even there, unless she used her telekinetic powers from her Boston escape/spa :-)

jimver on April 9, 2011 at 6:55 PM

Come on folks, we are improving and I am sure our guys learned a lot during this negotiations. I think the battles going forward are going to be frustrating but at least we are in them.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 6:56 PM

I voted Obama, because he is a turd, and I depise him.

justltl on April 9, 2011 at 6:57 PM

Speaking of Pelosi, any news from Soros-palooza?

Fallon on April 9, 2011 at 7:00 PM

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 6:56 PM

You’d make a fine Lutheran. You seem to always abide by our eighth commandment and meaning to “put the best construction on everything.”

OmahaConservative on April 9, 2011 at 7:03 PM

sharrukin on April 9, 2011 at 6:52 PM
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:-) Pelosi wasn’t even there, unless she used her telekinetic powers from her Boston escape/spa :-)

jimver on April 9, 2011 at 6:55 PM

jimver:Pelosi does have Pelosium tho!
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The densest element in the known Universe has been found – Pelosium

Pelosium:
*********

A major research institution has just announced the discovery of the densest element yet known to science.

The new element has been named Pelosium.

Pelosium has one neutron, 12 assistant neutrons, 75 deputy neutrons, and 224 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 311.

These particles are held together by dark forces called

morons,

which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons.

The symbol of Pelosium is PU.

Pelosium’s mass actually increases over time, as morons randomly interact with various elements in the atmosphere and become assistant deputy neutrons within the Pelosium molecule, leading to the formation of isodopes.

This characteristic of moron-promotion leads some scientist to believe that Pelosium is formed whenever morons reach a certain quantity in concentration.

This hypothetical quantity is referred to as Critical Morass.

When catalyzed with money, Pelosium activates CNNadnausium, an element that radiates orders of magnitude more energy, albeit as incoherent noise, since it has half as many peons but twice as many morons as Pelosium.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2485914/posts

canopfor on April 9, 2011 at 7:10 PM

:-) Pelosi wasn’t even there, unless she used her telekinetic powers from her Boston escape/spa :-)

jimver on April 9, 2011 at 6:55 PM

Thats probably why she had to leave town. She’s was beating on him too often and it would have looked bad if she put him in the hospital.

sharrukin on April 9, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 6:56 PM
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You’d make a fine Lutheran. You seem to always abide by our eighth commandment and meaning to “put the best construction on everything.”

OmahaConservative on April 9, 2011 at 7:03 PM

OmahaConservative:It can always be worse,even tho,it may
look bleak/hopeless,it WILL get BETTER!!:)

canopfor on April 9, 2011 at 7:12 PM

Speaking of Pelosi, any news from Soros-palooza?

Fallon on April 9, 2011 at 7:00 PM

the ‘change the world and ‘change the media’ Soros-fest :-)?well, according to him (as delusional and maniacal as he is), he is convinced that the Boston event is the new Bretton Woods :-). otherwise, in attendance the usual suspects, the usual new world order crappola…here’s a synopsis for you:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/04/06/george-soros-events-weekend-aim-remake-financial-order-media-wheres-reporting/

jimver on April 9, 2011 at 7:14 PM

When catalyzed with money, Pelosium activates CNNadnausium,

canopfor on April 9, 2011 at 7:10 PM

I think I was exposed to some of that CNNadnausium while watching her!

sharrukin on April 9, 2011 at 7:17 PM

Speaking of Pelosi, any news from Soros-palooza?
Fallon on April 9, 2011 at 7:00 PM

Oh just this:

Gavilon [George Soros] to buy Union Elevator PNW grain elevators

* Gavilon acquisition allows it to support PNW export mkt
* Elevator purchase equates to 8.4 million bushel capacity

CHICAGO , March 24 (Reuters) – U.S. grain firm Gavilon Grain said on Thursday it will buy Union Elevator and Warehouse’s 16 grain elevators in the Pacific Northwest , the company’s second big purchase of U.S. grain facilities in the last six months. Privately held Union Elevator, where employees own a significant share of the company, approved the transaction on Wednesday, with sale expected to be completed during the second quarter of 2011.

The purchase of 16 elevators at 12 locations in eastern Washington will expand Gavilon’s grain capacity by 8.4 mbu.

“The addition of Union Elevator’s grain facilities and origination capabilities position us well to support the growing Pacific Northwest export wheat market and serve the Columbian Basin feed grain market,” Greg Konsor, VP and GM of Gavilon Grain, said in a statement. The PNW is the No. 1 wheat export terminal in the United States .

Omaha, Nebraska-based Gavilon — a commodity trading firm formed in 2008 when ConAgra Foods sold it to investors — purchased grain handler DeBruce Companies last year, making it the third-largest U.S. grain storage network behind ADM and Cargill Inc.

(Reporting by Christine Stebbins; Editing by Lisa Shumaker) [end]

SOROS is now the THIRD LARGEST grain company behind only Cargill and ADM.

Akzed on April 9, 2011 at 7:19 PM

Reid, as he has the most self-inflicted wounds over the whole thing.

He’s on the record, on video, stating he want to keep running 50 billion in debt a week to preserve Cowboy Poetry Festivals and Cherry Blossom Festivals…

He’s generating a lot of quotes to make him look as stupid and incompetent as possible; almost as though that were his goal. I mean he claims to be serious, but comes up with the least serious places to defend overspending. I’d have trouble coming up with sillier examples to mock him.

Given that I doubt his goal is to damage the credibility of both himself and the Democrats; he’s probably the biggest loser.

Unless you really really really love gay cowboys eating pudding and writing poetry about cherry blossoms so much you’d borrow money every week to help fund it.

gekkobear on April 9, 2011 at 7:25 PM

When catalyzed with money, Pelosium activates CNNadnausium,

canopfor on April 9, 2011 at 7:10 PM
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I think I was exposed to some of that CNNadnausium while watching her!

sharrukin on April 9, 2011 at 7:17 PM

sharrukin:D*mmitt,I think you deserve a “Bailout” for your
suffering/stress/ for accidently,and inadvertinely
allowing your eyes to catch CNN,as you were chann
el surfing to FOX!!(sarc):)

canopfor on April 9, 2011 at 7:27 PM

The densest element in the known Universe has been found – Pelosium
canopfor on April 9, 2011 at 7:10 PM

and if you add Botox to the mix…:-) but then she’s kinda irrelevant now that she;s lost her gavel…unless Soros makes her relevant again and appoints the mother/founding figure of his ‘New Bretton Woods accord’ that will change the world order asap lol :)

jimver on April 9, 2011 at 7:31 PM

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