Report: Budget agreement for $39 billion in cuts may be imminent; Update: Sources tell ABC deal is done; Update: “This is the best deal we could get out of them”; Update: No funding for abortion in D.C.

posted at 8:50 pm on April 8, 2011 by Allahpundit

It’s not a Democratic ploy, either. House Republican sources, including David Dreier, are telling NRO that it looks like a done deal. No surprise, given the reports about the red-meat wrinkles having been ironed out.

Fox News says Reid’s set to speak on the Senate floor soon. Presumably all that’s left is for each side to sign off on the final terms and then he’ll make the announcement. Total cuts: $39 billion, which is a bit higher than what Boehner (allegedly) asked for initially. As expected, he traded concessions on Planned Parenthood for deeper cuts.

The likelihood of a war-time federal government shutdown—the first in American history—diminished dramatically on Friday night as all parties began reviewing, with the goal of approving, a broad array of cuts and a short-term bill to keep the government operating while the details are put into legislative language for full congressional action next week.

While leadership staff insist there is no deal yet, that caution belies significant progress in narrowing long-standing differences and the widening assumption in both parties that a shutdown will be averted and all that remains unknown is the precise procedural steps that will walk everyone back from the abyss.

Numerous GOP and Democratic sources on and off Capitol Hill tell National Journal that the outline of the deal is as follows: up to $39 billion in cuts from the 2010 budget, $514 billion for the defense budget covering the remainder of this fiscal year, a GOP agreement to abandon controversial policy riders dealing with Planned Parenthood and the EPA, and an agreement to pass a “bridge” continuing resolution tonight to keep the government operating while the deal is written in bill form…

Republicans do not want any agreement framework to surface before a conference meeting this evening. And a Senate Democratic aide that side is wary that opposition House conservatives will still scuttle a deal.

They probably can’t pass the full 2011 budget before midnight, so the plan is to have an agreement in principle on that and instead pass the three- or seven-day stopgap tonight. The vote on funding the government for the rest of the year will come early next week, and then we’ll move on to the debt ceiling debate, followed by the endless war over Paul Ryan’s 2012 budget. How excited are you?

As for that boldfaced part, it’d be insane for Republicans to be telling reporters that a deal is imminent if they weren’t sure yet that the conference (or most of the conference) will sign onto it. They’d be gift-wrapping a “social conservatives forced a shutdown!” narrative for the media — which, perhaps, explains why they were sending out e-mails to reporters as of 10 minutes ago insisting that nothing has been agreed to yet. Reid should be speaking at 9 p.m. ET or a bit later. Stand by for updates.

Update: Boehner’s going to hear it from fiscal cons unhappy with the amount of cuts and from social cons unhappy with the Planned Parenthood provisions being dropped, but he’s hearing it from Allen West for a third reason — playing politics with troop funding in yesterday’s proposed one-week stopgap budget.

“The House Majority has now placed the funding for the Department of Defense and the funding for the troops down as a bargaining chip,” he writes. “In the last 100 days, the House Majority could have passed at any point in time a separate stand alone Appropriations for the Department of Defense and the funding for our men and women in uniform.”

West then added that he is “disgusted” by the perception that troops are being used to pass the short-term budget bill.

“I voted for the Department of Defense Appropriation bill because, at this moment in time, due to the complete failure by the Democrat Majority in the Senate this is currently the only vehicle on the table,” he writes. “But more importantly, my ‘Yes’ vote today was for my Brothers and Sisters in uniform. My ‘No’ sentiment reflects a disappointment in my own leadership.”

I’ve been under the assumption all day that if talks break down and the shutdown cometh, Reid and Boehner will at least pass a stopgap funding bill for military personnel. The idea of U.S. troops not getting paid while in the field is repulsive; according to the Journal, families of troops killed in action would also suffer as death benefits are temporarily stopped. As I write this, Kay Bailey Hutchison is on the Senate floor demanding a troop-funding measure. We’ll see that happen, at least, before midnight. I hope.

Update: Maybe this is the White House not wanting to get ahead of Reid and Boehner at a delicate moment, or maybe it’s the truth: “At the WH [we're] hearing no budget deal yet and ‘nothing is imminent.’ House Republicans to meet in a little while.”

Update: For what it’s worth, Chuck Todd says there is a deal and that the GOP conference is currently reviewing it. Assuming they okay it, there’ll be some sort of announcement then.

Update: Sure looks like we’re close to a deal: Check out what Mike Johanns posted on his Senate website before quickly withdrawing it.

Update: Tapper says the GOP conference has given Boehner the green light and now sources from both sides are saying the deal is done. $38.5 billion in cuts, no defunding of Planned Parenthood. National Journal sets the scene inside the conference room:

BREAKING: House Speaker John Boehner outlined the parameters of a long-term funding deal, telling his members in a closed-door meeting, “This is the best deal we could get out of them,” according to a lawmaker in the room who asked not to be identified.

The deal is still not official, Boehner cautioned, but in a sign things are coming to a close, the House is preparing for a 5-6-day short-term continuing resolution with $3 billion in cuts, he told members, according to the lawmaker.

Update: Here’s a slightly sunnier way to think of the $38.5 billion in cuts: “CNN Congressional Producer Deirdre Walsh reported that a senior GOP aide in the meeting called it the ‘largest real dollar spending cut in American history’ and said the proposal would cut more than $500 billion from the federal budget over the next 10 years.”

Update: The joint statement from Reid and Boehner:

“We have agreed to an historic amount of cuts for the remainder of this fiscal year, as well as a short-term bridge that will give us time to avoid a shutdown while we get that agreement through both houses and to the President. We will cut $78.5 billion below the President’s 2011 budget proposal, and we have reached an agreement on the policy riders. In the meantime, we will pass a short-term resolution to keep the government running through Thursday. That short-term bridge will cut the first $2 billion of the total savings.”

As part of the compromise, the GOP will get a vote in the Senate on defunding Planned Parenthood and NPR, etc. Needless to say, those votes will fail.

Update: Turns out there is one rider that’ll end up as part of the final deal. The provision defunding abortion in D.C., which was initially part of Boehner’s proposed one-week stopgap budget, will be added to the package. Democrats have voted for that in the past as part of other budget bills so they have some political cover from precedent.


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All the talking heads on Fox (except Greta earlier) are saying how great Boehner did on this deal. He’s surrounded by this political class. CONTACT HIM SO THIS ISN’T THE ONLY THING FILLING HIS HEAD.

http://www.facebook.com/OfficeofSpeakerBoehner#!/OfficeofSpeakerBoehner

http://www.speaker.gov/Contact/

miConsevative on April 9, 2011 at 12:56 AM

Yeah, you are right…just 800,000 nonessentials sent home.

Essential services, military, border air traffic control, that sort of thing still operating…in hopes they get funding repatriated when things start up again.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:52 AM

You are now getting closer to being on target. And anything very important that actually did stop for long on a federal level could be done by states and even by individuals, yes American individuals. Maybe the military would even have to pull out of Iragistan and Afcrapistan and get out of Libyacoocooistan.

Heckle on April 9, 2011 at 12:57 AM

No way could the House have passed and the Senate ratified a $6 Trillion cut tonight….never.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:43 AM

Please! You completely missed my point too. I didn’t say cut 6trillion tonight..I said cut more now than the stupid 38.5 billion that amounts to one days worth of interest on our debt. Show the Democrats we are willing to fight and go all in to stop this insanity. The Republicas started negotiating a number that was way too low and lost ground from there. They should have started with something akin to Senator Paul’s 500 million.

CCRWM on April 9, 2011 at 12:57 AM

Hmm, let’s do some math:

Current US Debt (approx) $14,281,550,900,000
Total cuts in 2011 budget $38,000,000,000
Cuts as a percentage of the National Debt = 0.27%

I realize that math is hard for a lot of people, but please tell me what we have actually gained here? The country won’t go broke as quickly? More time to really fix the problem?

Even if Ryan’s budget is passed, we will still have a long way to go towards eliminating our $14,000,000,000,000 debt.

jackal40 on April 9, 2011 at 12:57 AM

miConsevative on April 9, 2011 at 12:47 AM

Again it wasn’t my spin it was Allah’s. And yes read it again. MB is called for the GOp to move forward for these small battles to cave and get passed this budget and move on to bigger battles. then tonight she says the speaker didn’t go far enough.

I don’t see how you can’t see that she flip-flopped on this. She was for the cave before she was against it. again this isn’t “my spin” this is pretty much accepted by the mainstream at the moment. Allah has said as much, Most posters on that thread thought the same. It isn’t me making this suggestion.

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 12:59 AM

Since this condition will remain at least until the next election, you might as well use the same argument for every single budget fight up until 2012.

Yeah, that is pretty much how it is going to be. When all you hold is one house of the legislature all you can do is moderate the actions of the party that holds the White House. You can’t dictate terms under those conditions. You can not advance anything, you have two choices; obstruct or force them off of their position a bit. All we can really hope to do until elections next year is keep them from going completely crazy with our money.

One thing that might change that is if the Democrats start to see next year that they are looking horrible in polling for both Senate and White House races. At that point they might cave to public opinion and compromise more with the Republicans in the house.

Now once the Republicans gain the Senate, and I believe that is likely next year considering how many Democrats are up for election and how few Republicans are, then we are looking at a completely different ballgame. Holding both houses of the legislative branch is a powerful positions.

crosspatch on April 9, 2011 at 1:00 AM

and move away from bushism…

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 12:55 AM

At this point, I wish our elected officials would adopt Bushido. :-)

Point well taken.

How many citizens have a clue as to how government and governance operate under our Constitution? We’ve seen this a week alone a hell of a lot of members of Congress don’t seem to have a clue. Many posters here tonight evince a certain economy of understanding of how government and governance works under our Constitution and are ready to pillory anyone who just doesn’t just snap their fingers and make things happen.

Thank you NEA for the wonderful job of educating our kids you’ve done for the past 50 years.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 1:00 AM

jackal40 on April 9, 2011 at 12:57 AM

I’m 53 years old and it is the first federal budget in my lifetime that will actually be less than last year’s. I’m still amazed that it is being cut by a dollar.

rockmom on April 9, 2011 at 1:01 AM

PP by law cannot use federal funds for abortion services.
But why should facts stand in the way of a nice propaganda slogan?

chumpThreads on April 8, 2011 at 11:34 PM

No, they just use federal money for other expenses so they have more money to use on abortions.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 9, 2011 at 1:02 AM

Let’s put it this way. Since AP likes his Star Wars youtube clips and I’m a huge Star Wars geek.

It’s like in the Star Wars saga, original Trilogy:

What if the Rebellion decided to go all-in on Hoth – a small outpost that did not truly matter in their overall war against the Empire?

Sure, it was the same enemy. Sure, you could say that the “principle” is what matters and that they should’ve fought on Hoth to the death and have been patriots putting it all on the line.

You guys tonight are saying they should’ve done that.

But Hoth didn’t matter. It was a small outpost not worth destroying the entire movement over. It hurt in the short term because it hurt the pride. But the real battle had yet to be fought that would turn the war.

What mattered was the Death Star with the Emperor on it. By not killing themselves at Hoth they were able to keep the Rebellion alive, refocus, and take down the Death Star when it actually was a life and death battle for all of the marbles.

Tonight was Hoth. Hoth is not worth killing the Rebellion over. Give Luke & Han a chance to get the job done in the fight that really matters. Then, if they fail to blow it all up, so to speak, you will have something to truly gripe about, and rightly so.

MikeknaJ on April 9, 2011 at 1:02 AM

What a historic agreement. The deal the Republicans struck means that the national debt will be only 15 trillion 71 billion at the end of the fiscal year instead of 15 trillion 110 billion. Wow.

chris999 on April 9, 2011 at 1:03 AM

Yesterday the House passed H.R. 1363, which funds our Department of Defense and our military for the rest of the year at their current levels. It allows for the continuation of current military operations, which is pretty important when you’re fighting three wars. It also funds the government for another week and cuts $12 billion in wasteful spending. So why would the Commander in Chief declare that he will veto this? Why would he play politics at the expense of our troops who are putting everything on the line to protect us? Memo to the President: I doubt the insurgents will stop and wait for a government shutdown to end before resuming actions. You need to fund our troops, sir.

Like me, you might be asking yourself: Why on earth would he threaten to veto funding for the troops? What is his game plan? Basically, he’ll veto military funding because he wants the rest of the government funded too. And by the rest of the government, he means things like Harry Reid’s “Cowboy Poetry.” Essentially, he’s holding military funding hostage to NPR funding. This is a perfect analogy for what is wrong with this entire budget showdown. Our federal government has strayed so far from what is constitutionally mandated that they are blind to the fact that NPR funding is not a constitutional duty. Funding our military at a time of war is!

The House GOP does not want a shut down. They just want legitimate cuts (and I would argue not even enough!). If we can’t agree to cut a billion here and a billion there, we’ll never close this $1.5 trillion deficit.

Let’s look at the numbers. We have a $1.5 trillion deficit this year. We’re paying $200 billion a year on our interest alone. That’s half a billion dollars per day on interest. And our $1.5 trillion deficit means that we’re borrowing $4 billion per day just to keep afloat. So, we pat ourselves on the back if we cut a billion dollars here or a billion there in discretionary spending, as we borrow $4 billion a day and pay half a billion a day in interest. The deficit for the month of February alone was the highest in our history at $223 billion. That’s more than the entire deficit for the year 2007. And there’s no end in sight. We’re not heading towards the iceberg. We’ve already hit it. Now we’re taking on water. We must find a way to get back to harbor to repair our ship of state before it’s too late.

Where is President Obama in all of this? He just doesn’t get it. His 2012 budget was a signal of that. The President’s proposed budget offered higher taxes and higher spending. A budget is supposed to be more than just numbers crunched on a spreadsheet. It’s supposed to be a credible blueprint of a nation’s priorities and direction. The President’s budget was a political document. It was designed not to ruffle any feathers or take any decisive moves to deal with the deficit problem. Instead of cutting spending, he’s moving us in the opposite direction. The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office reported that the White House was not telling the truth when they claimed that their 2012 budget reduces the deficit. It actually increases it. Instead of dealing with the hard realities we face, he just kicked the can down the road. That’s not leadership. That’s politics.

Real leadership means leading by example. It means showing an “all-in” commitment to tackling complex issues and putting in the time and effort to educate the American public. Right now the American people have not been educated about this major challenge we face. Keep in mind that perception often becomes reality, and the perception President Obama has repeatedly given off is that he can’t be bothered to deal with our debt crisis.

This is profoundly unfair to the American people. Throughout our history, we have proven again and again that we are strong enough and wise enough to do the right thing when we are properly informed. We can judge and make the tough choices when we are not spun by the media or the financial class or the political class. We the People can decide – if our leaders level with us honestly.

It’s about time the President step up to the plate and lead responsibly. Our troops who are putting themselves in harm’s way deserve a Commander in Chief who is not AWOL from the debt debate. The American people deserve a president who will take on the tough challenges and understand that funding “Car Talk” is not as crucial as funding our troops at a time of three wars.

2008 seems like such a long time ago, but 2012 is just around the corner. There is a leadership vacuum in the White House right now, but that’s nothing that another good old-fashioned election can’t fix.

^ …second look at…oh wait, this was said by SARAH PALIN yesterday so for some reason it will never appear on HA…

das411 on April 9, 2011 at 1:03 AM

Tonight was Hoth. Hoth is not worth killing the Rebellion over. Give Luke & Han a chance to get the job done in the fight that really matters. Then, if they fail to blow it all up, so to speak, you will have something to truly gripe about, and rightly so.

MikeknaJ on April 9, 2011 at 1:02 AM

::Grin::

And Obama is standing on the Death Star saying to Harry Reid “I think you overestimate their chances.”

rockmom on April 9, 2011 at 1:05 AM

With no provision made for members of the armed forces?

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:54 AM

So if Obama wants to keep rolling over us he jsut has to thereaten the military? You kind of need to take the “warrior” out of your name…

CCRWM on April 9, 2011 at 1:05 AM

I’m 53 years old and it is the first federal budget in my lifetime that will actually be less than last year’s. I’m still amazed that it is being cut by a dollar.

rockmom on April 9, 2011 at 1:01 AM

So far. We’ll see what happens with disaster relief, the war in Libya and those in Afghanistan and Iraq, and any other spending measures that will enjoy at least some bipartisan support.

amerpundit on April 9, 2011 at 1:05 AM

the stupid 38.5 billion that amounts to one days worth of interest on our debt

CCRWM on April 9, 2011 at 12:57 AM

We are paying $11.77 trillion a year interest on our debt? *

This budget cut is for a budget year that is half-over already. The 2011 Budget. Fiscal year ends in September 2012.

Cut whenever we can now. Then go after the 2012 budget with a vengeance.

( * Annual interest on the present debt is $500 billion.)

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coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 1:06 AM

Fear and loathing – from both the deficit and both parties.

Kini on April 9, 2011 at 1:07 AM

this is pretty much accepted by the mainstream at the moment.

Umm…the mainstream. Yeah. I’ll leave that for itself.

Allah has said as much, Most posters on that thread thought the same. It isn’t me making this suggestion.

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 12:59 AM

Have you read the actual article? I would say ‘proof’ from that other thread is thin. Allah’s spin is not representative of what was said in the article. If others on that thread didn’t read the actual article and were commenting on what they thought she said from Allah’s words (which I’ve done before), that is not a valid ‘proof’. You yourself know the mainstream isn’t always right (I need say no more than the word “Palin”), and AP has been known to spin things a little RINO-ish, which I know you know because you’ve called him out before. Referring back to that thread over and over again when we have the original source is a cop out and nothing but a straw man.

Yes. You are right. Allah thinks Bachmann said this wasn’t an important fight. So what. I don’t care what Allah thinks about it. I care what Bachmann thinks about it. And clearly you are wrong and this is just further extension of your need to bash anyone who jumps in the race against Palin. Do you actually have that little confidence in Palin’s ability and record? Because I sure don’t. There is no need to try to create a Tina Fey of Bachmann to help Palin win.

miConsevative on April 9, 2011 at 1:08 AM

So far. We’ll see what happens with disaster relief, the war in Libya and those in Afghanistan and Iraq, and any other spending measures that will enjoy at least some bipartisan support.

amerpundit on April 9, 2011 at 1:05 AM

Well, yeah, now we really should insist on some PAYGO rules so we don’t get rolled with a bunch of supplementals for the military that aren’t funded with other cuts.

rockmom on April 9, 2011 at 1:09 AM

CCRWM on April 9, 2011 at 1:05 AM

No, it doesn’t work that way. Once an annual fiscal year budget is passed, ratified and signed into law it cannot be held hostage to anything. It is a done deal. So, no, Obama cannot just hold military pay hostage, least not this year. The present Senate, however, tried to do that this week to force the House to cave.

And personal slights to the handle are a bit inane, ya think?

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 1:09 AM

Anyone been on HuffPo tonight? They’re freaking out for the most part and saying Boehner is Obama’s b**tch and TPers are crazy to be upset.

They really think $39B in cuts out is the apocalypse.

Once again proving liberals are mentally challenged people.

angryed on April 9, 2011 at 1:10 AM

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 1:06 AM

According to what I just saw on Fox, the Republicans did negotiate that military being funded for the rest of the fiscal year. Until April 15 on the vote tonight but they were guaranteed a separate vote on that funding.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 1:11 AM

^ …second look at…oh wait, this was said by SARAH PALIN yesterday so for some reason it will never appear on HA…

das411 on April 9, 2011 at 1:03 AM

I didn’t see it either! That is awesome. I think I was distracted by Prosser winning and 3 Van Gogh espresso vodkas

CCRWM on April 9, 2011 at 1:12 AM

Liberal speak for …Runnnnnnnnnn Awayyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!

…ahh yes…the brave Sir Robin.

Baxter Greene on April 9, 2011 at 12:53 AM

Well after all he is a member of The Fleebagger Party … what did you expect?

redridinghood on April 9, 2011 at 1:14 AM

Well, yeah, now we really should insist on some PAYGO rules so we don’t get rolled with a bunch of supplementals for the military that aren’t funded with other cuts.

rockmom on April 9, 2011 at 1:09 AM

It’d be nice if we ever got to the point of PAYGO.

Personally, I’d like to see a serious long-term cap on the debt, having the federal budget allowed to never exceed 15% of GDP annually (unless there are dire circumstances such as a major war or disaster hitting the entire country) and an upfront 10% cut in all government programs, departments, agencies and pay, all Branches, no exceptions, with 10% cut for at least the next decade, and a freeze on federal hiring for at least two years, scaled down hiring after that, until we get the federal government small enough to actually comply with the Constitution.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 1:14 AM

angryed on April 9, 2011 at 1:10 AM

You mean they’re saying Obama is Boehner’s b*tch, right?

chris999 on April 9, 2011 at 1:14 AM

As I am delving into the details, Boehner got an impressive number of concessions at a relatively insignificant cost.

For example, the Senate has to vote on Obamacare again. No Taxpayer abortion funding for DC.

The difference between 100B and 39B relative to the debt and deficit is, as Obama might put it, “chump change.” I think the 61B difference is going to be worth the Democratic elite squirming and heartache when all the other concessions — for A SHORT TERM STOP GAP MEASURE — totally worth it.

Extra-bonus: The GOP halts the gov’t shutdown meme, for the time being. I am a bit surprised — as Obama and the Dem leadership seemed primed to forgo any compromise in order to force said shutdown and paint the Republicans as villains and the root cause (despite the fact anyone who has been paying attention to the news knows the exact opposite).

Boehner is using an approach worthy of Julius Caesar: Take a little, then a little more, until in the end it all is yours.

So, please hold your anti-Boehner histrionics until all the deals have been sealed. Frankly, I am very impressed with what I have been learning about this package and with the man who forged it.

Mutnodjmet on April 9, 2011 at 1:17 AM

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 1:11 AM

Yep. Just saw that on the website. Good. Gratifying.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 1:17 AM

Mutnodjmet on April 9, 2011 at 1:17 AM

Nice to see someone who is paying attention. :-)

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 1:18 AM

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 1:17 AM

While not perfect, I don’t think it was a total lose. I just wish they weren’t so afraid of a shut down.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 1:19 AM

Anyone been on HuffPo tonight? They’re freaking out for the

most part and saying Boehner is Obama’s b**tch and TPers are crazy to be upset.

They really think $39B in cuts out is the apocalypse.

Once again proving liberals are mentally challenged people.

angryed on April 9, 2011 at 1:10 AM

If Boehner is Obama’s b*tch, what does that make Reid?

redridinghood on April 9, 2011 at 1:20 AM

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 1:19 AM

A shutdown (except for the folks in uniform) would not have been such a big deal. Inconvenient, sure. But not the end of life as we know it. Had lots of people tell me todasy that if government shut down nothing would work. Even had a run on two grocery stores locally (A Meijers and a Krogers) as people started stocking up on food to have after government shutdown. The local managers thought it was a real kick to see, funny, really…and I am sure they had better sales receipts than usual.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 1:23 AM

I didn’t see it either! That is awesome. I think I was distracted by Prosser winning and 3 Van Gogh espresso vodkas

CCRWM on April 9, 2011 at 1:12 AM

She also had a good tweet encouraging the GOP to stand firm:

GOP: don’t retreat! The country is going broke. We can’t AFFORD cowboy poetry & subsidizing abortion.

Too bad she wasn’t in DC to hold their hands and lead them through, because it’s obvious Boehner forgot to put on his big boy pants today.

miConsevative on April 9, 2011 at 1:23 AM

We need to be patient about what we want: We cannot get it all, until after 2012 at the earliest. Until then the Republicans have to consider the impact of their actions on the 2012 elections, which really will be the do or die event for our country.

GaltBlvnAtty on April 9, 2011 at 1:23 AM

So, please hold your anti-Boehner histrionics until all the deals have been sealed. No I dont think I’ll hold my indignation Frankly, I am very impressed with what I have been learning about this package and with the man who forged it. It’s sad that you think that piddly 38.5 billion is impressive when as Sarah says, “we borrow $4 billion a day and pay half a billion a day in interest.” Mutnodjmet on April 9, 2011 at 1:17 AM

CCRWM on April 9, 2011 at 1:24 AM

Sell out Republican bar stewards !!!

Sandybourne on April 9, 2011 at 1:25 AM

This is such a disappointment after the Prosser win. I really thought that the GOP would understand that the silent majority was with them. I used to think Boehner was doing a good enough job but this deal sucks hard. We didn’t get anything. It is a complete cave.

sammypants on April 9, 2011 at 1:26 AM

We need to be patient about what we want: We cannot get it all, until after 2012 at the earliest. Until then the Republicans have to consider the impact of their actions on the 2012 elections, which really will be the do or die event for our country.

GaltBlvnAtty on April 9, 2011 at 1:23 AM

Why can this not get through to people – BOEHNER IS THE ONE WHO PROMIES $100B – HE PUT IT IN HIS PLEDGE – HE SAID AT CPAC, “WRITE IT DOWN”. So your either telling me he’s a liar or an idiot. I personally don’t want either one as Speaker – we had that with Nancy.

miConsevative on April 9, 2011 at 1:27 AM

If Boehner is Obama’s b*tch, what does that make Reid?

redridinghood on April 9, 2011 at 1:20 AM

I believe Reid is Obama’s poodle, or something like that.
In either case, it’s amazing to me that they think Obama/Reid caved. I am shocked that they really think that.

angryed on April 9, 2011 at 1:27 AM

MikeknaJ on April 9, 2011 at 1:02 AM

They were ambushed on Hoth and not prepared for the fight. A more appropriate analogy would have been Yavin 4 where their chances of victory were slight, but they took their chances, made a stand and were victorious.

I wonder if Reid will hold to his “promise” and hold separate votes on defunding PP and Obamacare so that we force the Dems to go on record for the 2012 elections. I really want these Dems to have to go on record with votes instead of these lame compromises.

Daemonocracy on April 9, 2011 at 1:30 AM

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 1:23 AM

I remember the last one being no big deal. My husband worked for DOD (civilian) and he still worked everyday. I heard some lady talking about the shut down at the grocery store yesterday, it didn’t dawn on me that she might be stocking up. People can’t be that uninformed that they think private businesses would close down, could they?

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 1:32 AM

Why can this not get through to people – BOEHNER IS THE ONE WHO PROMIES $100B – HE PUT IT IN HIS PLEDGE – HE SAID AT CPAC, “WRITE IT DOWN”. So your either telling me he’s a liar or an idiot. I personally don’t want either one as Speaker – we had that with Nancy.

miConsevative on April 9, 2011 at 1:27 AM

It can also be asked why is does not get through to people that Boehner did not have a path in which he could cause that to happen. Sure, we could have had a shutdown, and that could have dragged on and on. But we would expect our side, made up of politicians, never to compromise to get the government up and running again? And never compromising and keeping the government shut down for those extra billions would not destroy the Republican chances in 2012?
I don’t know the answers, but I do think it is complicated and that over zealousness now could hurt us a lot real soon.

GaltBlvnAtty on April 9, 2011 at 1:32 AM

angryed on April 9, 2011 at 1:27 AM

The hallmark of the Obama presidency, something the 111th Congress shoved down our throats (can’t know what’s in it till you pass it) that thing…is up for a new vote (funding) and that is not a major victory for the Right?

Harry Reid agreed to it, Obama agreed to it. Revisiting Obamacare is not something they wanted to do…ever. It is also a several trillion dollar albatros they forced on us in the 111th Congress. That’s not small potatoes.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 1:33 AM

Daemonocracy on April 9, 2011 at 1:30 AM

I would think the senate would vote on those two things and I am just as positive that The Won will veto it if it should happen to pass both houses.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 1:33 AM

People can’t be that uninformed that they think private businesses would close down, could they?

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 1:32 AM

Take it to the bank. A lot more than both of us can imagine, apparently. They voted for Obama.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 1:35 AM

People can’t be that uninformed that they think private businesses would close down, could they?

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 1:32 AM

Never underestimate the stupidity of the average American.

angryed on April 9, 2011 at 1:35 AM

Republicans have taken what they can out on the budget that should have been passed by Speaker Pelosi.

amazingmets on April 9, 2011 at 1:36 AM

The hallmark of the Obama presidency, something the 111th Congress shoved down our throats (can’t know what’s in it till you pass it) that thing…is up for a new vote (funding) and that is not a major victory for the Right?

Harry Reid agreed to it, Obama agreed to it. Revisiting Obamacare is not something they wanted to do…ever. It is also a several trillion dollar albatros they forced on us in the 111th Congress. That’s not small potatoes.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 1:33 AM

Do you think for 1 second

a) that vote will actually happen?
b) if it does, 1 Dem in the senate will vote against O-care?

If this is our “victory”, we are more f***ed than I thought.

angryed on April 9, 2011 at 1:38 AM

It can also be asked why is does not get through to people that Boehner did not have a path in which he could cause that to happen. Sure, we could have had a shutdown, and that could have dragged on and on. But we would expect our side, made up of politicians, never to compromise to get the government up and running again? And never compromising and keeping the government shut down for those extra billions would not destroy the Republican chances in 2012?
I don’t know the answers, but I do think it is complicated and that over zealousness now could hurt us a lot real soon.

GaltBlvnAtty on April 9, 2011 at 1:32 AM

But you know…Boehner is supposed to be the experienced politician. He said he had $100b in cuts to sell us and we paid him for it. I’m not allowed to be upset that he didn’t deliver what he offered AFTER I paid for it with my vote? So if I go to the grocery store and buy a gallon of milk, it’s OK for me to get home and find it half full? I’m not allowed to be upset with the store? The store wasn’t in the wrong? He didn’t stand firm to deliver what he promised. Period. If he couldn’t deliver, he shouldn’t have promised – could have said he would try, but no, he put it in the Pledge.

miConsevative on April 9, 2011 at 1:39 AM

I believe Reid is Obama’s poodle, or something like that.
In either case, it’s amazing to me that they think Obama/Reid caved. I am shocked that they really think that.

angryed on April 9, 2011 at 1:27 AM
LOL
Liberal logic is never logical.

redridinghood on April 9, 2011 at 1:40 AM

Yeah, the number’s tiny, but overall it’s about 7% of non-defense discretionary spending, meaning Boehner was able to gut a decent of chunk of what was available for him to gut.

That, and the military which is fighting multiple wars on multiple continents continues to get paid. Not a bad deal.

BadgerHawk on April 9, 2011 at 1:41 AM

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 1:35 AM angryed on April 9, 2011 at 1:35 AM

Depressing.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 1:45 AM

angryed on April 9, 2011 at 1:38 AM

That vote on Obamacare was announced, in public, by Reid, in the well of the Senate.

JOe Manchin (D- WVa) is in favor of scaling it back if not tossing it out. it is not popular at all in West Virginia. Claire McCaskill out of Missouri, also a Dem, is facing an electorate which does not want Obamacare…and she has already voiced reservations. There are a few others. Obamacare is in no way “safe.”

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 1:46 AM

I would think the senate would vote on those two things and I am just as positive that The Won will veto it if it should happen to pass both houses.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 1:33 AM

It’s not about them passing, it’s about forcing the vulnerable Democrats to go on record and choose between their special interests or constituency. Manchin, McCaskill, Bill Nelson, Ben Nelson, Tester, Casey and Sherrod Brown. These guys will squirm big time when it comes to voting on these issues. Then there are the Rinos like Snowe, Collins and I’m sure you know the rest.

Daemonocracy on April 9, 2011 at 1:49 AM

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 1:46 AM

I would think that Ben Nelson would have trouble voting for it twice. This could be interesting.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 1:50 AM

Daemonocracy on April 9, 2011 at 1:49 AM

Yep, I know. Votes and vetoes can be useful things.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 1:51 AM

That vote on Obamacare was announced, in public, by Reid, in the well of the Senate.

JOe Manchin (D- WVa) is in favor of scaling it back if not tossing it out. it is not popular at all in West Virginia. Claire McCaskill out of Missouri, also a Dem, is facing an electorate which does not want Obamacare…and she has already voiced reservations. There are a few others. Obamacare is in no way “safe.”

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 1:46 AM

Manchin already voted against repeal on the first vote and he did so right after having campaigned hard against it to get elected. He should be screwed as Obamacare is so unpopular in W.V., as is the President in general, that any votes he makes to scale it back will look like political posturing.

All W.V. needs is a good candidate. Raese might even want to run again as Manchin can’t run to his right as easily now.

Daemonocracy on April 9, 2011 at 1:54 AM

LOL! This only shows that the lib-Dems will fight to break the bank at any cost.

shorebird on April 9, 2011 at 1:55 AM

Yep, I know. Votes and vetoes can be useful things.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 1:51 AM

so I guess that’s our silver lining.

Daemonocracy on April 9, 2011 at 1:56 AM

Time to pass out the pitchforks and the pitch and the tar and the feathers and apply them all where needed (in DC).

But to whom and what party and how many??

Someone explain it to me!

This stinks, all right!!

Sherman1864 on April 9, 2011 at 1:59 AM

People can’t be that uninformed that they think private businesses would close down, could they?

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 1:32 AM

Actually yes. Today the MSM told us that Republicans hate women, the elderly and children. Rinse, Repeat, Rinse, Repeat, brainwashing complete.

redridinghood on April 9, 2011 at 2:00 AM

Frankly, I am getting tired of this whole thing. We have 2 bigger fights ahead, the debt ceiling and the FY 2012 budget. So we have to gird our loins and be prepared to fight the ones that really matter.

The Prosser election outcome was good. I think it is a good indicator for 2012. The silent majority is with us. We need 2 more election cycles to clean out DC and pull the nation back from the brink. We can capture the Senate and White house in 2012, and in 2014, we can purge some RINOS.

karenhasfreedom on April 9, 2011 at 2:01 AM

The GOP/Conservatives are being PLAYED FOR FOOLs and I find it sad that many do not see it.

Who on this forum really thinks $60 billion (heck, even $100 billion) is really that big a problem for Democrats to have cut out of a budget constituting a trillion plus? Their only goal is to play hardball with the spineless GOP leaders so the GOP base gets demoralized. The Dems do not want a repeat of 2010 in 2012 so their only goal now is to get as many conservatives as possible to sit it out.

Unfortunately, the GOP has a leadership that has only set its goal on capturing the Senate in 2012 (not even the White House) just so the get their committee chairmanships back. Do they really care that America is being spent into bankruptcy? Nope… as long as THEY get to occupy the seats of power.

TheRightMan on April 9, 2011 at 2:12 AM

Continuing my rant…

The GOP finds it hard to stand their ground and insist on NOT funding abortion and other abhorrent Dem priorities. They are afraid of being labelled meanies and keep deferring to a TOMORROW that never comes. Do they think Tea Partiers went to the mat to get them elected so they could cut PENNIES from the budget?

They should look at the Wisconsin example!! America remains a center right country and conservatives will go all out to reward (and maintain in power) politicians who are principled and do what they promise. If our DC GOP leaders would quit listening to so-called strategists (RINOs) and act in accordance with principle – there is no media/Dem assault that will work against them!!

TheRightMan on April 9, 2011 at 2:22 AM

Sherman1864 on April 9, 2011 at 1:59 AM

nah, no need for tar and pitchforks yet. In the end this is all a wash. As a conservative I consider it a loss, but so do liberals.

Boehner comes out looking like a crafty politician to beltway insiders having taken on Reid and gotten the concessions he did, maybe that will prove useful in the future when the big fights take place over the debt ceiling and Ryan’s budget.

I wanted to see PP get defunded, it is outrageous taxpayer money goes to them, but at least Boehner secured a stand alone vote for this in the near future. Obama will veto it of course, but it forces vulnerable to vote on record and voting against their President in an election year is not an easy thing to do as it makes him look bad.

It is clear that the pro-choice lobby is so powerful that it can be used as a wedge issue or rider in the future to force them to cave. They never cared about the troops, it was all about the PP funding.

We get 39 billion of less spending instead of 12 billion and Obama has to pass another CR when he said he would pass no more. He looks weak in doing so and though the media won’t directly report this, his base will make noise about it and that noise does trickle into the greater population hurting his poll numbers overall. An upset base will also force him to lurch leftward during the campaign when he wants to appear more centrist.

we get another vote on repealing Obamacare, or perhaps scaling it back, not sure exactly what the vote will be. Those vulnerable Dems and Rino repubs will be forced to go on record on yet another controversial issue right before an election.

We’re really not saving any money here and the Libs have showed how hard they will fight against any cuts to their pet projects ike Planned Parenthood, but in the warped world of Washington politics, this could be described as a GOP victory. It’s going to be one hell of an ugly fight when it comes to true reform though, and Boehner won’t be able to slide by with beltway approved compromises like this when that fight comes.

Daemonocracy on April 9, 2011 at 2:27 AM

We had to get the troops funded. We would not have won the PR war in this round. We need to get more people in DC in Congress that will let us win the battles.

I know 100 billion this year is chump change. Unfortunately we didn’t win the Senate last year and the peeps in NV foisted Reid on us again. We all agree his is a horrid person who hates regular Americans and is completely out of touch with reality.

We have the entire press corps that will beat the drum about all the peeps suffering with a government shut down. We did not seize control of the narrative. We should have been doing that since last January. Unfortunately, Republicans still play fair. We need to learn to fight dirty.

This is why the Dems ran circles around us in this fight. We are outmanuevered and outsmarted. I am disappointed.

karenhasfreedom on April 9, 2011 at 2:30 AM

Just heard a report of this deal on the local news, and it sounds much WORSE than reported here!!!

The plan is to pass a CR BEFORE THE AGREEMENT IS EVEN WRITTEN!!!! WHAT A SUCKER BOEHNER IS!!!

Remember that Tip O’Neil even fooled Reagan with this tactic: agree on spending cuts….then take the Democratic goodies and NEVER implement the spending cuts!!!

Watch for Democrat foot-dragging next week…after they get their “free CR”…while they procrastinate and run out the clock…spending $8 Billion per day with no cuts….now that they know Boehner can be so easily had!!!

landlines on April 9, 2011 at 2:36 AM

karenhasfreedom on April 9, 2011 at 2:30 AM

Well said.

I know I will be barbecued by some here for saying this but, all things considered we are lucky to be where we are right now. Remember that we only control the lesser one-half of the legislature. The Dems have the Senate and the Presidency.

SIX MONTHS ago those jackasses controlled the WHOLE F’ING SHOW! Plus they were only one vote away from a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, simply because Sen. Ted Kennedy died. But for that simple twist of fate, we could be looking up from an even deeper hole than we are already in.

Obamacare is a HUGE sh*t sandwich, but we got to take things one step at time. The truth is that a shut-down of the Fed govt. right now would be a huge mistake for the GOP.

As the underdog, we got about as good as we could get here.

Captain Kirock on April 9, 2011 at 2:48 AM

So they gave up the lip service they were playing for the social cons? Who could have called that one? Oh wait…I did!

Have fun being used again social cons?

I bet most of you will still go out in ’12 and vote these corrupt morally bankrupt crooks back into office like good little lemmings though. Remember that you deserve what you get at that point.

Benaiah on April 9, 2011 at 2:59 AM

That’s right Benaiah, we should teach the GOP a lesson, and vote for the Dems…oh,wait,what…the Dems are worse on social con issues?

Doesn’t matter, vote for the Dems (and their agenda), and I’m sure the GOP will somehow get the message that you REALLY care about social con issues.

(Do I need to put the sarcasm tag for Benaiah?)

mockmook on April 9, 2011 at 3:18 AM

MikeknaJ on April 9, 2011 at 1:02 AM

Ok, ok. You’re speaking my language here. But let’s face it, the only reason the Rebels were able to salvage what they could and organize a retreat on time was due to the incompetence of Admiral Ozzel, first ignoring the probe droid’s findings, then coming out of hyper space too close to Hoth, giving the rebels a heads up. I don’t think we can rely too much on Democratic blunders when they know they can run roughshod over the GOP now.

And I definitely don’t have any confidence that the GOP has an Admiral Akbar, Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, or Lando Calrissian in any leadership position regrouping the fleet for an all-out assault for the next budget battle.

Boehner? Sorry. I can’t image him in any Star Wars movie on the Rebel’s side. I’m not saying he doesn’t have any heroic qualities, but….no wait. I am saying that, actually.

Dongemaharu on April 9, 2011 at 4:04 AM

“This is why the Dems ran circles around us in this fight. We are outmanuevered and outsmarted. I am disappointed.

karenhasfreedom on April 9, 2011 “at 2:30 AM”

WE, there is no WE here. You mean they, the idiots in the Republican Leadership got outsmarted, as usual. You get every yipping yahoo who will stick his mug in front of a camera and debunk all of the Dem lies. You talk to the idiot talking heads and roll out the talking points that Dems are willing to cut off funding for our brave troops because they want to funnel money to their campaigns through mult-million dollar corporations like PP.

We, meaning us, need new leadership in the GOP. I hope are boys are watching so someone of stature can challenge next year and reverse the damage done so far.

Africanus on April 9, 2011 at 4:04 AM

Africanus on April 9, 2011 at 4:04 AM

I know it sucks, but sometimes you have to dance with the girl you came with.

Captain Kirock on April 9, 2011 at 4:54 AM

People can’t be that uninformed that they think private businesses would close down, could they?

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 1:32 AM

Since they were stocking up at the grocery store, maybe they were one of the 40M plus on the modern electronic version of food stamps, and were concerned their debit cards would stop working.

I can see that worry being hard to face down.

Jimmy Doolittle on April 9, 2011 at 5:02 AM

Upon further reflection, maybe it is great that we are heading over the cliff going 119 mph instead of 120 mph.

Heckle on April 9, 2011 at 5:02 AM

The reality here is that as nice as it would have been to get the full 100B in cuts, this is a small battle in a much larger war. I don’t blame anyone for wanting more, but I think if you dig into the specifics of the deal combined with the political reality (ie time constraints, senate votes, etc..) of the situation, we came out better than average all things considered.

Having said that, the budget and the deficit do not simply get swept under the rug now. Of all the budget and deficit battles that will be waged this year this is the one with the least favorable playing field for fiscal cons because of the paint-by-numbers demagoguery built into it for the liberals.

Moving forward I think the next two battles are of significantly greater importance, and if Boehner calculated that spending political capital in this battle was getting less bang for our buck than it would down the road I find it hard to fault him for the end result provided he can deliver on the next round.

The bottom line is that if winning these battles were easy they would have been won a long time ago. That is of course no reason not to fight them fiercely, but it is also a cautionary tale to aim for achievable goals. Maybe give Boehner a bit more benefit of the doubt and see how he handles the next round before we go diving for pitchforks?

I think ousting Boehner now would be like firing the head coach of a football team in the superbowl after the opening drive only scored a field goal. The points we have on the board now are not going to win us the game (ie balance the budget and eliminate the deficit) but given what was on the table we did make some progress. I sense some of the people posting here would have been upset had we scored a touchdown and not gone for two, chiding Boehner for “playing it safe” by going for the PAT. Sometimes you have to take a risk and go for two, but sometimes you really should just put the easy points on the board and move to the next drive. Given the battles yet to be waged I just don’t see why we need a “go for 2″ mentality so early in the game.

Sqrl on April 9, 2011 at 5:21 AM

Foolish conservaties already did their tantrum thing and allowed Obama into office, as well as many other dems, by taking their idiotic “sabbatical” from politics and with the ridiculous battle cry “it takes a Carter to get a Reagan”. Well that is anything but certain and Carter’s spending looks responsible next to this man’s giveaways and debt.

We have to keep th pressure on the GOP and the dems, we can call dems you know. We also have to stand up against and point out all this astroturfing. Amazing that the evil teaparty had homemade signs, but the dems have glossy matching ones for every initiative. ANd don’t expect their media shills to point out the organization. The GOP has to do better grassroots org.

clnurnberg on April 9, 2011 at 5:28 AM

Same old RINO strategy; Make a bad deal and run away, so you can make another bad deal on another day.

Done That on April 9, 2011 at 6:25 AM

Dongemaharu on April 9, 2011 at 4:04 AM

Boehner = Princess Leia.

You don’t anticipate much up front, and you fully expect he’s going to cry for no real reason, but he comes through when it matters.

BadgerHawk on April 9, 2011 at 6:30 AM

Dongemaharu on April 9, 2011 at 4:04 AM

Boehner = Princess Leia.

You don’t anticipate much up front, and you fully expect he’s going to cry for no real reason, but he comes through when it matters.

BadgerHawk on April 9, 2011 at 6:30 AM
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Agreed. “Princess Leia” – not bad and more likely to stick but I am thinking we’ve got ourselves another Gen. George McClellan this morning. Where is Lincoln when we need him.

diogenes on April 9, 2011 at 6:57 AM

BadgerHawk on April 9, 2011 at 6:30 AM

Leia was a Princess with a blaster, and in a firefight.

Leia was a member of the Old Order.

She faced down Vader as he couldn’t extract information from her.

She would become a leader in the Rebellion by having gotten the information to get the Death Star, survive interrogation by Vader an not spill the beans and then deliver both to the Rebel Alliance so they could start the erosion of the Empire’s power.

And that was all in the original….

Boehner? He wasn’t introduced to us with a blaster in hand, but as a guy who had no comprehension of ‘small government’ or ‘less spending’ while he was in power. In the SW Universe that makes him a member of the Senate… saying that an Empire really needs more support in one session and then, in the next, it really needs to be trimmed back a bit.

I’ll take the armed lady from the Old Order of the States holding the Republic in check, rather than the guy who can’t figure out that all Empires are bad and must be confronted.

I’m not knocking Boehner, its just that he doesn’t come out to be in the RA in any SW analogy… those supporting the Old Order, The Republic, do. Boehner is doing his best to balance the books of the Empire before it collapses internally…you still end up with an Empire at the end of that path, not a restoration of the Old Order of The Republic.

I detest Empires.

One can be chopped back by denying it power, money and support, and taking the hit as freedom devolves back to the common man who is ill-equipped for it because Empires detest freedom of thought or any freedom that cannot be controlled and never prepare its citizens to be free. Yet we have the memory of the Old Order still with us in various forms, and liberty with freedom is the most potent tool in the hands of the individual in all of mankind’s history.

The toenail trimmers of government don’t believe, at heart, that you can handle being free from government.

It has demonstrated that it does work, starting back in 1776… by 1789 we were already in the hole to France and a couple of other places, and had to deal with crushing debt as the Confederation failed. Americans know how to handle crushing debt. We were born with it and paid it back in less than 50 years, before we started taking it on again. We can handle crushing debt once more, but not with the government we have: its core is fine, the monsterous body around it must go. The Left is afraid of being free and their fellow man free from servitude to government.

I welcome it, and all the problems it brings.

I don’t think that Boehner has a clue on that, and will be quite surprised when he will have tried to do ‘everything right’ and sees his support post-2012 evaporate. That way of doing things is nearly dead. Getting our fellow citizens to accept their burden for what was done in their name over decades? It can be done, must be done, or we all become slaves to our creation.

ajacksonian on April 9, 2011 at 7:02 AM

Boehner = C3PO. Not.

He would never shout “Shut it down! Shut them all down!”

Peri Winkle on April 9, 2011 at 7:02 AM

miConsevative on April 9, 2011 at 1:08 AM

Think Kerry not fey.

Your orginal post asked where the flipflopping meme was being shown. I linked to it.

MB was hurt by her flipflop last night make no mistake about it.

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 7:17 AM

I’m not so sure that building your deal on the graves of dead babies is one of the GOP’s better ideas, but what do I know. I just can’t but wonder how much longer God will shed his grace on a country that slaughters its babies in such obscene numbers.

Kensington on April 8, 2011 at 8:57 PM

Yup!

Like Judas, we just betrayed the most innocent of lives for a few pieces of silver. But, he hung himself in grief over his evil action while we, without remorse, pat ourselves on the back.

a big lie

Don L on April 9, 2011 at 7:21 AM

ajacksonian on April 9, 2011 at 7:02 AM

Good post – You’re one of my favorite posters. I’ll agree to your larger point about Empires, while noting that we’re making movie comparisons to a real life situation. The Empire isn’t falling this year, no matter how many billions Boehner gets cut.

I see him as a Princes Leia because he never delivers the fatal blow or the signature line that sticks with the audience, but he consistently contributes and never really f*cks anything up.

And everyone faced Vader down in the first movie. The Admirals treated him like a special ed kid. The only reason that even tolerated him was because they feared his tard strength.

BadgerHawk on April 9, 2011 at 7:22 AM

I screwed that up Kensington – “a big lie” should not have been part of the comment – I agree with you completely and am sickened as much by the right’s willingness to compromise with the devil for money.

Don L on April 9, 2011 at 7:24 AM

They won.
…from Politico

“Boehner was forced to abandon some major demands, including Planned Parenthood, restrictions on the Environmental Protection Agency and efforts to restrict Obama’s health reform bill.”

So Obamacare moves forward to that point where it will be so metastasized into our body politic that it will be impossible to remove. The EPA anti-carbon, anti-capitalism juggernaut continues on it’s merry way. And the Planned Parenthood scam continues (government funds Planned Parenthood, dollars from Planned Parenthood go to Democrat Party and politicians who then fund Planned Parenthood) And anyway much of the world has a population implosion, not an explosion, so why government funded family planning? Our own little American one child policy in the face of demographic decline and catastrophe.

Negotiated cuts equal $39 billion. 2011 budget is $3,820 billion. 2011 deficit is $1,650 billion.

Viator on April 9, 2011 at 8:03 AM

Don L on April 9, 2011 at 7:21 AM

I too am disappointed. I understand the need to include some bargaining chips to be traded off for bigger spending cuts, but I wish they had used something else. It’s left us feeling like we lost, when in fact we made progress on the cuts (and, yeah, I know it’s not nearly enough, but significant movement in the right direction).

We did learn something interesting though. It’s clear now that there will be no cuts in PP funding until we either convince America it’s the right thing to do, or we remove a lot more democrats from office.

Dee2008 on April 9, 2011 at 8:05 AM

We need 2 more election cycles to clean out DC and pull the nation back from the brink. We can capture the Senate and White house in 2012, and in 2014, we can purge some RINOS.

karenhasfreedom on April 9, 2011 at 2:01 AM

Your optimism is … touching.

Try more like 12 election cycles … minimum.

RedPepper on April 9, 2011 at 8:09 AM

This is a first step. As many have said, we don’t control both houses or the presidency., we are still out-numbered 2-1. So let’s keep working away and work on getting more Conservatives elected to the Senate. As for PP, I don’t want to see any private organization getting tax payer money, whether they’re PP, PBS, farmers, corporations, unions ,etc. But it’s going to take a lot of time, they are all so entrenched with their donations to congress it’s going to be tough. We need to stress just who these congress critters are getting these donations and vote them out. Then we’ll be able to get these groups defunded.

Deanna on April 9, 2011 at 8:12 AM

And for everybody criticizing Boehner, what about Senators like Issackson and Chambliss, etc. who weren’t exactly jumping on the bandwagon. Pretty hard to pass something when even your so-called allies aren’t backing you up.

Deanna on April 9, 2011 at 8:21 AM

Brat4life on April 9, 2011 at 12:18 AM
coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:18 AM

Thanks. Didn’t see your posts, went to bed.

Meantime, with all the noise, I didn’t even hear about the constitutional balanced budget amendment proposed by Paul, Lee, and DeMint. It’s quite good.

Total outlays cannot exceed total receipts, can’t exceed 18% of GDP, and tax increases cannot be used to expand revenue for expenditures without a 2/3 majority vote. Even reasonably, IMHO, allows for additional expenditure during war if war is declared or congress authorizes by 3/5 vote (thereby reinstituting some congressional oversight over ‘kinetic military actions’).

See here.

Firefly_76 on April 9, 2011 at 8:29 AM

This is not the best we could get, but it was a start. We only control one chamber of the legilslative branch and we do not control the executive branch. Governing is not a 100% or nothing proposition espcially when you only control 1/3 of the Capital.

Another point The GOP was loosing the ‘PR’ war with independents in the government shutdown media mantra drumbeat. Espcially when military wives were raising a stink about not being able to pay rent. That my friends is bad optics.

I don’t like the agreement anymore than everyone else, but I consider this as good as it can be. I agree with Deanna, we all should work on geting conservatives (Tea Party conservatives IMO) elected to overtake the Senate and maybe the Presidency.

Even if we get the Senate in 2012 and keep the House (both are very posible), I see the prospects of NPR, PP and other social ‘welfare’ programs under control or eliminated. Only when conservatives control both legislative chambers can the debt can seriously be addressed.

If you thought this last week was bad, wait for the debt ceiling debate and the 2012 budget.

Rndguy on April 9, 2011 at 8:37 AM

When I read people criticizing Boehner, I’m reminded of ignorant football fans who complain that the deep pass is not being thrown every down. Look, this is about building momentum. The GOP stopped the tax increases and now have the Dems agreeing to spending cuts. They are small, yes. But we need points on the board to shift the momentum. The GOP simply needs to keep pounding on this issue to change the narrative. They need to start pointing out that the Democrats are stealing from our children and grandchildren and have set us on the path to economic doom. They should start investigating how the porkulus bill was spent. They need to start gutting federal agencies of their power. Etc. You win football games by getting first down after first down, not by throwing the deep ball every down. The mainstream media knows this and will do all that it can to encourage conservatives to complain about the GOP for not successfully throwing the long ball.

pearson on April 9, 2011 at 8:44 AM

This is a first step. As many have said, we don’t control both houses or the presidency., we are still out-numbered 2-1. So let’s keep working away and work on getting more

Conservatives elected to the Senate. As for PP, I don’t want to see any private organization getting tax payer money, whether they’re PP, PBS, farmers, corporations, unions ,etc. But it’s going to take a lot of time, they are all so entrenched with their donations to congress it’s going to be tough. We need to stress just who these congress critters are getting these donations and vote them out. Then we’ll be able to get these groups defunded.

Deanna on April 9, 2011 at 8:12 AM

Well said. This is just the first wave. The Left and MSM will spin hard to discourage conservatives to give up. We need to keep pushing and pushing with each election cycle. Momentum is in our side (think Wisconsin!), so let’s not blow it. We can not only change Washington, we can change how the independents think.

pearson on April 9, 2011 at 8:50 AM

We did learn something interesting though. It’s clear now that there will be no cuts in PP funding until we either convince America it’s the right thing to do, or we remove a lot more democrats from office.

Dee2008 on April 9, 2011 at 8:05 AM

But, it is the GOP that took the money and left the defensless innocent to die – and now, they’re perfectly proud of the swap – faux words to the contrary.

They owned the entire enchalada for years and never cured the PP evil and reational people can only assume that people who see America (not just the libs) as evil for tolerating this slaughter of innocents, can only conclude they settled gladly and are celebrating the 30 pieces of tribute money they were bought off with.

The GOP has been systematically abusing conservatives who support life, jerking them along with empty promises as they just did here. I suspect we’ll make the same lame excuses as we all watch them do the same thing to the older folks, swapping some form of death panel for their real love – the almighty buck.

Just as they say about Obama – watch what they do -not say.

Don L on April 9, 2011 at 8:53 AM

This is a first step. As many have said, we don’t control both houses or the presidency., we are still out-numbered 2-1. So let’s keep working away and work on getting more Conservatives elected to the Senate.

Deanna on April 9, 2011 at 8:12 AM

Getting more conservatives elected to the Senate while voting to keep these same spineless RINO wussies as our leaders changes nothing!

I will take any deal now if Boehner, McConnell and the others can be forced to vacate the leadership. We keep bringing knives to a gun fight and we are being rolled!! How about electing leaders who are prepared to fight?

If the tables had been reversed and funding for some pet union project or for any of the Dem leeches was at stake, who really thinks THEY wouldn’t have SHUT DOWN the Government? What this illustrates is that Dems will go all the way to fight for their priorities (see Wisconsin 14) but the GOP will sell its base again and again – while talking of some strategy that never materializes!!!!

TheRightMan on April 9, 2011 at 8:55 AM

This is probably the best Boehner could do — he only controls the House, after all. My concern is over Obama and Reid’s embrace of this phrase “largest spending cut in history.” They are setting the narrative for the next round of budget talks and trying to convince voters that they’ve cut sooooooo much — why it’s historic! — that they can’t possibly cut more. Boehner and the GOP need to get out there and explain that while it might be “historic,” it is not enough. More must come. It’s only historic because Obama and the democrats have been spending out of control. Next time around, Barry and Harry are going to be crying “We gave you the BIGGEST CUTS IN HISTORY! We can’t give you more.” I don’t like this narrative at all.

Rational Thought on April 9, 2011 at 9:08 AM

Rndguy on April 9, 2011 at 8:37 AM

Your post illustrates the exact mindset of the GOP elite in DC. A cycle of promise, fail to deliver, blame it on not having enough power, … RINSE…REPEAT…

This is not the best we could get, but it was a start. We only control one chamber of the legilslative branch and we do not control the executive branch. Governing is not a 100% or nothing proposition espcially when you only control 1/3 of the Capital…

…Even if we get the Senate in 2012 and keep the House (both are very posible), I see the prospects of NPR, PP and other social ‘welfare’ programs under control or eliminated. Only when conservatives control both legislative chambers can the debt can seriously be addressed

If they can do squat while controlling the House, what makes you think they will do more if given the Senate. Of course, Obama (if re-elected) will threaten to veto any bills to defund his pet projects/Dem priorities, then WHAT??? Ask us to give them the White House next cycle and do better while the country moves full speed ahead into bankruptcy?

TheRightMan on April 9, 2011 at 9:10 AM

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