Report: Budget agreement for $39 billion in cuts may be imminent; Update: Sources tell ABC deal is done; Update: “This is the best deal we could get out of them”; Update: No funding for abortion in D.C.

posted at 8:50 pm on April 8, 2011 by Allahpundit

It’s not a Democratic ploy, either. House Republican sources, including David Dreier, are telling NRO that it looks like a done deal. No surprise, given the reports about the red-meat wrinkles having been ironed out.

Fox News says Reid’s set to speak on the Senate floor soon. Presumably all that’s left is for each side to sign off on the final terms and then he’ll make the announcement. Total cuts: $39 billion, which is a bit higher than what Boehner (allegedly) asked for initially. As expected, he traded concessions on Planned Parenthood for deeper cuts.

The likelihood of a war-time federal government shutdown—the first in American history—diminished dramatically on Friday night as all parties began reviewing, with the goal of approving, a broad array of cuts and a short-term bill to keep the government operating while the details are put into legislative language for full congressional action next week.

While leadership staff insist there is no deal yet, that caution belies significant progress in narrowing long-standing differences and the widening assumption in both parties that a shutdown will be averted and all that remains unknown is the precise procedural steps that will walk everyone back from the abyss.

Numerous GOP and Democratic sources on and off Capitol Hill tell National Journal that the outline of the deal is as follows: up to $39 billion in cuts from the 2010 budget, $514 billion for the defense budget covering the remainder of this fiscal year, a GOP agreement to abandon controversial policy riders dealing with Planned Parenthood and the EPA, and an agreement to pass a “bridge” continuing resolution tonight to keep the government operating while the deal is written in bill form…

Republicans do not want any agreement framework to surface before a conference meeting this evening. And a Senate Democratic aide that side is wary that opposition House conservatives will still scuttle a deal.

They probably can’t pass the full 2011 budget before midnight, so the plan is to have an agreement in principle on that and instead pass the three- or seven-day stopgap tonight. The vote on funding the government for the rest of the year will come early next week, and then we’ll move on to the debt ceiling debate, followed by the endless war over Paul Ryan’s 2012 budget. How excited are you?

As for that boldfaced part, it’d be insane for Republicans to be telling reporters that a deal is imminent if they weren’t sure yet that the conference (or most of the conference) will sign onto it. They’d be gift-wrapping a “social conservatives forced a shutdown!” narrative for the media — which, perhaps, explains why they were sending out e-mails to reporters as of 10 minutes ago insisting that nothing has been agreed to yet. Reid should be speaking at 9 p.m. ET or a bit later. Stand by for updates.

Update: Boehner’s going to hear it from fiscal cons unhappy with the amount of cuts and from social cons unhappy with the Planned Parenthood provisions being dropped, but he’s hearing it from Allen West for a third reason — playing politics with troop funding in yesterday’s proposed one-week stopgap budget.

“The House Majority has now placed the funding for the Department of Defense and the funding for the troops down as a bargaining chip,” he writes. “In the last 100 days, the House Majority could have passed at any point in time a separate stand alone Appropriations for the Department of Defense and the funding for our men and women in uniform.”

West then added that he is “disgusted” by the perception that troops are being used to pass the short-term budget bill.

“I voted for the Department of Defense Appropriation bill because, at this moment in time, due to the complete failure by the Democrat Majority in the Senate this is currently the only vehicle on the table,” he writes. “But more importantly, my ‘Yes’ vote today was for my Brothers and Sisters in uniform. My ‘No’ sentiment reflects a disappointment in my own leadership.”

I’ve been under the assumption all day that if talks break down and the shutdown cometh, Reid and Boehner will at least pass a stopgap funding bill for military personnel. The idea of U.S. troops not getting paid while in the field is repulsive; according to the Journal, families of troops killed in action would also suffer as death benefits are temporarily stopped. As I write this, Kay Bailey Hutchison is on the Senate floor demanding a troop-funding measure. We’ll see that happen, at least, before midnight. I hope.

Update: Maybe this is the White House not wanting to get ahead of Reid and Boehner at a delicate moment, or maybe it’s the truth: “At the WH [we're] hearing no budget deal yet and ‘nothing is imminent.’ House Republicans to meet in a little while.”

Update: For what it’s worth, Chuck Todd says there is a deal and that the GOP conference is currently reviewing it. Assuming they okay it, there’ll be some sort of announcement then.

Update: Sure looks like we’re close to a deal: Check out what Mike Johanns posted on his Senate website before quickly withdrawing it.

Update: Tapper says the GOP conference has given Boehner the green light and now sources from both sides are saying the deal is done. $38.5 billion in cuts, no defunding of Planned Parenthood. National Journal sets the scene inside the conference room:

BREAKING: House Speaker John Boehner outlined the parameters of a long-term funding deal, telling his members in a closed-door meeting, “This is the best deal we could get out of them,” according to a lawmaker in the room who asked not to be identified.

The deal is still not official, Boehner cautioned, but in a sign things are coming to a close, the House is preparing for a 5-6-day short-term continuing resolution with $3 billion in cuts, he told members, according to the lawmaker.

Update: Here’s a slightly sunnier way to think of the $38.5 billion in cuts: “CNN Congressional Producer Deirdre Walsh reported that a senior GOP aide in the meeting called it the ‘largest real dollar spending cut in American history’ and said the proposal would cut more than $500 billion from the federal budget over the next 10 years.”

Update: The joint statement from Reid and Boehner:

“We have agreed to an historic amount of cuts for the remainder of this fiscal year, as well as a short-term bridge that will give us time to avoid a shutdown while we get that agreement through both houses and to the President. We will cut $78.5 billion below the President’s 2011 budget proposal, and we have reached an agreement on the policy riders. In the meantime, we will pass a short-term resolution to keep the government running through Thursday. That short-term bridge will cut the first $2 billion of the total savings.”

As part of the compromise, the GOP will get a vote in the Senate on defunding Planned Parenthood and NPR, etc. Needless to say, those votes will fail.

Update: Turns out there is one rider that’ll end up as part of the final deal. The provision defunding abortion in D.C., which was initially part of Boehner’s proposed one-week stopgap budget, will be added to the package. Democrats have voted for that in the past as part of other budget bills so they have some political cover from precedent.


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Flee(a)bag, a low class hotel/motel. A place you might expect derelicts to stay. Derelicts someone who without a home, job or property, like people from Wisconsin renouncing all those things for politics. I think finding a disgusting sexual connotation in the term Fleebagger is a stretch.

Cindy Munford on April 8, 2011 at 11:56 PM

Wrong, Cindy. The word is “fleabag”, and there’s no evidence that the Wisconsin Dems stayed in shabby motel rooms. Why not just be honest and admit that as soon as conservatives had a chance, they created their own “bagger” nickname and used it gleefully.
I have no problem with that. However, the fact remains that a member of the Tea Party is still accurately described as “teabagger”. Start liking it.

chumpThreads on April 9, 2011 at 12:17 AM

And he’s a “Boner”?

Really.

tree hugging sister on April 9, 2011 at 12:14 AM

Yes. And a Failure who promised $100b IN CUTS and didn’t have the spine to reach for it.

Any other questions?

Tim_CA on April 9, 2011 at 12:17 AM

And Harry Reid refused to pass a budget bill in the Senate, and Barack Obama was ready to veto a bill with $100 billion in cuts and blame the shutdown on the Republicans – and the media would have been behind that story 100%.

rockmom on April 9, 2011 at 12:08 AM

Utter capitulationist nonsense. Do you think this will change next time, after they just saw it work?

What are you smoking?

rightwingyahooo on April 9, 2011 at 12:17 AM

A shutdown would have produced a much better deal. Too bad, the old-gaurd GOP doesn’t have the stomach for it. Ideally, they would have shut it down and selectively began to fund various branches, ignoring most of the useless departments until the very end where they could begin to drag their feed and force the liberals to make their case for cowboy poetry and the like. It would have been a glorious entertaining mess. Opportunity lost.

ClanDerson on April 9, 2011 at 12:17 AM

It may be the best deal you can get until the budget cutters get a veto proof majority in the house and senate.

bayview on April 9, 2011 at 12:17 AM

Ok – some people need to get a grip! This was headed to a shutdown until Bambi decided to hold the military hostage – its that simple. Boehner took less of a cut than he might have gotten so that the men and women FIGHTING FOR YOUR RIGHT TO BE AN IDIOT ON THIS FORUM will get paid. If you want to complain, complain about Obama refusing to exclude the military from funding issues, and fund them while they fought over the rest.

Govgirl on April 9, 2011 at 12:18 AM

I told you Bachmann wasn’t going to vote for this. She should have been Speaker. It’s always the same old good old boys. I was very disappointed to see Ryan standing behind Boehner when he gave his concession speech, I mean victory speech…. riiiight

sandee on April 9, 2011 at 12:14 AM

And second, he’s not the only prominent Republican who’s suddenly okay with making a deal. In a post late this afternoon at Red State, Michele Bachmann says it’s time to move on:

So this afternoon MB called for us to move on and fight the big fights. The speaker follows her adivice as well as others urging him to cave and now MB switches sides and says the speaker should have made the deal…..WTF? She is making Newt look like an honest pol.

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 12:18 AM

Dude, tell me something I don’t know!

chumpThreads on April 9, 2011 at 12:07 AM

That would be too long of a list would probably violate posting policy.

Daemonocracy on April 9, 2011 at 12:18 AM

Firefly_76 on April 9, 2011 at 12:12 AM

Yea she was talking about pay for the military. She said that the troops should never be used as a bargining tool and that troop pay should never come up like this again. So Yea this is only for Military Pay and she’s introducing next week.

Brat4life on April 9, 2011 at 12:18 AM

Firefly_76 on April 9, 2011 at 12:12 AM

Men and women in uniform are fungible.

DoD civilians, however, are just regular federal employees.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:18 AM

Bachmann voting no.

miConsevative on April 9, 2011 at 12:11 AM

West said he would vote no if the deal was $40B for the rest of 2011. So I guess West is a no also.

csdeven on April 9, 2011 at 12:18 AM

Really? Do you have a link or where did you hear that?

Vince on April 9, 2011 at 12:12 AM

Nah, just my opinions based on watching all these characters since January. And you know what they say about opinions.

I’m not suggesting that Rand Paul is our only Horatius at the bridge who will save the republic, just that he is very ready to gum up the works a little when the big deal comes down, and that is the debt ceiling bill. Conservatives should take note that he has not had much to say about this CR.

rockmom on April 9, 2011 at 12:19 AM

George Washington lost more battles than he won.

crosspatch on April 8, 2011 at 11:57 PM

Boehner is no Washington. He has inspired little confidence and was running scared the whole time. We KNEW he was going to lose this, Washington inspired faith. Reagan inspired faith. Hell, even Gingrich got his way with his feistiness in 1995 which people love to forget.

Daemonocracy on April 9, 2011 at 12:20 AM

Wrong, Cindy. The word is “fleabag”, and there’s no evidence that the Wisconsin Dems stayed in shabby motel rooms. Why not just be honest and admit that as soon as conservatives had a chance, they created their own “bagger” nickname and used it gleefully.
I have no problem with that. However, the fact remains that a member of the Tea Party is still accurately described as “teabagger”. Start liking it.

chumpThreads on April 9, 2011 at 12:17 AM

Well chump, it was a play on words.Fleebaggers because they fled, and fleabaggers because at first they were at a hotel right on the border of Ill. and WI that was less than deluxe. Maybe that is too hard for you to get.

sandee on April 9, 2011 at 12:20 AM

If the GOP/Whigs don’t have the stomach to actually stand up for the country and stop overspending just a tiny percent every year…………….how are they going to stand up and pass anything like a real deficit cutting budget?

The ENTIRE GOP LEADERSHIP in the Congress should resign for incompetence.

They are not Conservatives………they are Progressives with a different initial by their names.

AND WHERE ARE THE TEA PARTY FRESHMAN?

PappyD61 on April 9, 2011 at 12:21 AM

So this afternoon MB called for us to move on and fight the big fights. The speaker follows her adivice as well as others urging him to cave and now MB switches sides and says the speaker should have made the deal…..WTF? She is making Newt look like an honest pol.

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 12:18 AM

You’re being disingenuous. Here is the RedState article verbatim:

Not a Big Enough Fight

Since Republicans took the House majority in January I have been calling for our leadership to fight. We must answer the bell that was rung last November when the American people called us to fight for deep cuts in spending, for the full repeal of ObamaCare, for an end to taxpayer funding of abortion, and for a government that will live within its Constitutional boundaries. Those would be the kind of large-scale fights that could change the arc of history. Unfortunately, the fight that’s happening today in Washington is not even close to being on the same scale.

miConsevative on April 9, 2011 at 12:21 AM

Boehner has failed to live up to his election pledge of 100 billion in cuts.

As for the Ryan budget. For some reason it seems I am the ONLY ONE that took the time to look at the plan for 2012. Ryan’s plan calls for 3.6 trillion in total spending with 1.5 trillion in borrowed money to fund it!

WTF is the point of even discussing a budget that funds 97% of what Obama wants to spend in 2012?

Freddy on April 9, 2011 at 12:22 AM

No. No point discussing it, obviously.

tree hugging sister on April 9, 2011 at 12:22 AM

We’re not just fighting Democrats here, we are fighting the media. It’s pretty hard. Just ask your heroine Sarah.

rockmom on April 9, 2011 at 12:15 AM

We got months of that in Wisconsin. The left was energized and eager to repudiate Walker. Despite months of the the media, the unions, the money, and the protests, I think our side held up pretty well.

El_Terrible on April 9, 2011 at 12:22 AM

Um, yeah. Do you listen to, read, or watch the MSM at all? They are totally in the tank for Obama and cheerleaders for bigger government. They were already portraying the bill the House passed as catastrophic. They were positively salivating like circling sharks waiting for a shutdown so they could trash Republicands over it and show wall to wall sob stories of Grandma not getting her meals on wheels.

We’re not just fighting Democrats here, we are fighting the media. It’s pretty hard. Just ask your heroine Sarah.

rockmom on April 9, 2011 at 12:15 AM

And the MSM will be more fair when it comes to the 2012 budget? right? So what you are saying is the GOp will cave on the debt ceiling because the MSM will paint them as wanting to bring the government into default, the gop will cave on the 2012 budget because the MSM will make the gop into the killers of grandma…and basically the gop will cave because the MSM is in the tabk for Obama….I see thanks for clarifying that…

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 12:22 AM

……what time your mother is going to come down stairs and tell you it’s bedtime.

Baxter Greene on April 9, 2011 at 12:11 AM

Oh, I’m not going to get into a “your mother” fight with you, Baxter. I like to maintain a certain standard on HA, and I won’t be goaded by the likes of you.

Hey, it’s been real.
Sleep tight. Bite the bedbugs!

chumpThreads on April 9, 2011 at 12:22 AM

OMG I didn’t think it was true but Boehner got rolled by limpy wimpy mortician Reid. So all the Democrats have to do to get their way in this anti government anti spending environment with sinking Obama Pelosi Reid numbers is to threaten to shut down the government and tell everyone it is the Republicans fault?

WE NEED MORE RAND PAULS, SARAH PALINS AND MICHELE BACHMANS IN OUR GOVERNEMENT.

I want to see if Ryan votes for this.

CCRWM on April 9, 2011 at 12:22 AM

Utter capitulationist nonsense. Do you think this will change next time, after they just saw it work?

What are you smoking?

rightwingyahooo on April 9, 2011 at 12:17 AM

Nothing. What would your strategy have been? I have yet to read anyone making a plausible case as to how Boehner could have actually gotten either 100 billion in cuts or any kind of favorable public reaction to a shutdown.

Budget bills have to be passed by both houses and signed by the President. If two out of those three agree with each other and not with you, I fail to see how you win.

rockmom on April 9, 2011 at 12:23 AM

I am ashamed to be a republican tonight. I am ashamed to be connected to these sheep and cowards. I am ashamed what they just allowed to happen because they were scared of bad optics. I am ashamed and afraid for my country. My children will pay dearly for this lack of leadership by the speaker of the house.

unseen on April 8, 2011 at 11:09 PM

My guess is that the woman about whom you frequently write will be a bit more optimistic than this. As others have written, there are bigger fights ahead.

GaltBlvnAtty on April 9, 2011 at 12:23 AM

n Feb alone the debt was 223 billion so the “painful and historic” cuts were 38 billion…for fiscal year 2010. Great Job Boner.

Big Orange

You’ve got me with your line of thought, there. Boehner just got to be Speaker on the 5th of January, 2011, right? This is now only the 8th of April and he’s knocked somewhere south of $59 billion out of spending on the PREVIOUS Congress’s NON-existent budget, while dealing with a hostile Senate and President, in the middle of a vicious recession and (now) three wars.

And he’s a “Boner”?

Really.

tree hugging sister on April 9, 2011 at 12:14 AM

Yes he’s a Boner. Keep telling yourself he’s doing just fine. They were put back in power to cut this crap out and once again they let us down. I’m willing to take bets on whether Boner caves on the Ryan budget if your up for it.

Big Orange on April 9, 2011 at 12:23 AM

For the last time, Bachmann told Hannity she was not going to vote for this bill because it did not include de-funding Obama care. Then she said they should have aimed for bigger cuts. I heard it. This is what she said.

sandee on April 9, 2011 at 12:23 AM

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:17 AM

I would prefer the House and White House. Judicial nominations are too important, as is executive privilege.

Daemonocracy on April 9, 2011 at 12:24 AM

chumpThreads on April 9, 2011 at 12:17 AM

Hot Air’s dumbest troll ever. At least he/she/it got the “Chump” part right.

bw222 on April 9, 2011 at 12:24 AM

The Republican Party’s Leadership is its own worst enemy. It’s still stuck in 2008, even AFTER a resounding mid-term victory.

We need smarter leaders with real backbone. Enough of Boner already – he’s a career hack, and he has shown us that he has no priciples or resolve.

Tim_CA on April 9, 2011 at 12:25 AM

Why isn’t it a $500 billion cut with the democrats saying, “This is the best deal we could get out of them?”

Why are Republican in congress such pathetic cowards?

Heckle on April 9, 2011 at 12:25 AM

sandee on April 9, 2011 at 12:20 AM

Thank you for understanding what should have been obvious. I guess the Left doesn’t understand a play on words unless is has disgusting implications but will do their best to accuse the Right of the same behavior.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 12:25 AM

miConsevative on April 9, 2011 at 12:21 AM

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/08/huckabee-to-gop-avoid-a-shutdown-at-all-costs/

House Republicans have brought about a change from the spending binge of the last two years. But it’s time to face the facts. This is the “small ball” battle that House leadership has chosen to engage. The current battle has devolved to an agenda that is almost too limited to warrant the kind of fighting that we’re now seeing in Washington.

and Allah’s take:

And second, he’s not the only prominent Republican who’s suddenly okay with making a deal. In a post late this afternoon at Red State, Michele Bachmann says it’s time to move on:

Precisely right. So in addition to Huck’s cover with social cons, now Boehner’s got Bachmann’s cover with tea partiers. Any other big-name conservatives willing to wade in and greenlight a deal?
Why, yes. Via Dave Weigel, Tom Coburn wants to play “big ball” too:

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 12:25 AM

And the MSM will be more fair when it comes to the 2012 budget? right? So what you are saying is the GOp will cave on the debt ceiling because the MSM will paint them as wanting to bring the government into default, the gop will cave on the 2012 budget because the MSM will make the gop into the killers of grandma…and basically the gop will cave because the MSM is in the tabk for Obama….I see thanks for clarifying that…

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 12:22 AM

So what’s your strategy? Enlighten us all please.

rockmom on April 9, 2011 at 12:25 AM

Another win for the dems.
I’m beyond disappointed. Such a measly amount to begin with whittled down to nothing.

Republican elitist eunuchs.

Who can deny this?

unlisted on April 9, 2011 at 12:27 AM

I apologie for trying to be reasonable and looking at the bigger picture. Carry on.

di butler on April 9, 2011 at 12:27 AM

Govgirl on April 9, 2011 at 12:18 AM

It’s his best, if not only, bargaining chip. Expect to see this again and again unless the Republicans do a stand alone bill. If they do that, I’ll be impressed.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 12:27 AM

Still think this is better than a shutdown.

Shutdown would have been used as ammo against the GOP, even if it were 100% due to the Dems. It’s bad optics, plain and simple.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 9, 2011 at 12:28 AM

Daemonocracy on April 9, 2011 at 12:24 AM

Congress is where laws are made, budgets and appropriations are passed, and where the real power in DC rests.

Think back to 1995…Clinton in the White House, the 104th Congress owned by the GOP. Clinton did not choose to become a centrist, he was forced to become a centrist.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:28 AM

Michele Bachmann lost a great deal of credibility today.

bw222 on April 9, 2011 at 12:28 AM

Well chump, it was a play on words.Fleebaggers because they fled, and fleabaggers because at first they were at a hotel right on the border of Ill. and WI that was less than deluxe. Maybe that is too hard for you to get.

sandee on April 9, 2011 at 12:20 AM

Like I said Sandee, it’s like talking to a rock.

Vince on April 9, 2011 at 12:28 AM

Bachmann said at this point it was time to move on because she wanted to have the de-funding of obama care in this and it was not. She complained today that it was not enough cuts. Once again she said she will not vote on this.

sandee on April 9, 2011 at 12:28 AM

di butler on April 9, 2011 at 12:27 AM

There is nothing wrong with your opinion but it is no more or less valid than anyother’s.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 12:28 AM

first of all this is 38B out of what? I’m no budget expert, but poking around on OMB website, it looks like 546B in non-defense discretionary spending for fy11.

and it looks like that puts this category back to about 08 levels. so this is reality, and, to me, it is a good start.

and, please, don’t stay home in 12…please, we really need everyone to vote for an R…otherwise, Greece.

r keller on April 9, 2011 at 12:28 AM

If two out of those three agree with each other and not with you, I fail to see how you win.

rockmom on April 9, 2011 at 12:23 AM

What would Nancy Pelosi do? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

El_Terrible on April 9, 2011 at 12:28 AM

All the Republicans in the house had to do was just not to appropriate such a huge amount of spending, deficit spending. They have the Power of the Purse. You would think they were a small minority in the house rather than a large majority. They are pretty much worthless. $39 billion is almost zip, nada, zilch out of a federal budget of almost $4,000 billion.

Heckle on April 9, 2011 at 12:29 AM

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 12:25 AM

So you are taking a Huckabee quote and then a misinterpretation of Bachmann’s words by AP over Bachmann’s words themselves? Weak tea dude. I’m as big a Palinista as you, but twisting facts like this isn’t going to help our cause. It weakens it, in fact, because it makes everything else you say suspect. Come clean on this on.

miConsevative on April 9, 2011 at 12:29 AM

Michele Bachmann lost a great deal of credibility today.

bw222 on April 9, 2011 at 12:28 AM

Bachmann said she was voting no just a few minutes ago on Fox.

Big Orange on April 9, 2011 at 12:30 AM

El_Terrible on April 9, 2011 at 12:28 AM

There is a reason not to pass a budget when you have both houses of Congress and the White House. And we are watching it.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 12:30 AM

They caved on funding abortion centers. Idiots. They will pay in elections.

tx2654 on April 9, 2011 at 12:31 AM

Heckle on April 9, 2011 at 12:29 AM

The House still had to get it passed in the Senate. The GOP is a minority in the Senate. Gridlock, unless one tries to get what can be gotten without more gridlock.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:31 AM

Michele Bachmann lost a great deal of credibility today.

bw222 on April 9, 2011 at 12:28 AM

I’m still not seeing this?!?! Can someone please show me where Bachmann herself said something in favor of this deal? No agenda here – just looking for the facts, and I’m not finding anything showing Bachmann caving on this?

miConsevative on April 9, 2011 at 12:31 AM

I apologie for trying to be reasonable and looking at the bigger picture. Carry on.

di butler on April 9, 2011 at 12:27 AM

The big picture is total fiscal scroomage.

Heckle on April 9, 2011 at 12:32 AM

Big Orange on April 9, 2011 at 12:30 AM

I saw her on a show yesterday and I believe she has always stated that she planned to vote no. I believe she is against the continuing resolution drip and drab cutting. I think she is one of those folks the leaders have already counted as a “no” vote.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 12:32 AM

Michele Bachmann lost a great deal of credibility today.

bw222 on April 9, 2011 at 12:28 AM

Bachmann said she was voting no just a few minutes ago on Fox.

Big Orange on April 9, 2011 at 12:30 AM

One more time. Bachmann said she had no intention of voting for this, What credibility should she lose? Boehner is another story.100 billion or bust? I guess he chose bust.

sandee on April 9, 2011 at 12:32 AM

Sometimes when you raise with AK off suit and you miss the flop, and your opponent shoves, you need to fold and wait for a better hand.

The Democrats have:

The Senate
The White House
The Media
The upper hand b/c they didn’t pass a budget

We have:

The House of Represenatives

It’s a losing hand to shut down military funding.

fossten on April 9, 2011 at 12:32 AM

Govgirl on April 9, 2011 at 12:18 AM

It’s his best, if not only, bargaining chip. Expect to see this again and again unless the Republicans do a stand alone bill. If they do that, I’ll be impressed.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 12:27 AM

I agree and so does Bachmann, that is why she is proposing legislation next week that would remove active duty military funding from these negotiations. It will pass, and then the Senate will have to squash it – that should go over well.

Govgirl on April 9, 2011 at 12:32 AM

oh, and btw, this was all about O (isn’t it always). To avoid listening to his little speech I turned on the local channels…he was on their too!

So his plan is to make himself look like a leader. I didn’t listen (natch), but I gather he said he’d rather not do this but we have to because of the debt!!!!!

Ok, now you doubting Thomas’….O has now said, yes, we have to cut taxes….and yes, we have to cut spending!!!!

Wow….yes, faster please…but very interesting

r keller on April 9, 2011 at 12:33 AM

The House still had to get it passed in the Senate.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:31 AM

No they did not.

Heckle on April 9, 2011 at 12:33 AM

*apologise

di butler on April 9, 2011 at 12:33 AM

And bust he did Sandee. Flopped like an old catfish in the floor of the boat.

Big Orange on April 9, 2011 at 12:34 AM

We only have the House, people, that is not enough to pass a budget and we can’t “make” the Senate Democrats or the President accept a House budget.

crosspatch on April 8, 2011 at 11:52 PM

Since this condition will remain at least until the next election, you might as well use the same argument for every single budget fight up until 2012. So we should pretty much expect no significant reductions at all because the GOP only controls the House.

Pack it in everyone. We’re done.

Dongemaharu on April 9, 2011 at 12:34 AM

So what’s your strategy? Enlighten us all please.

rockmom on April 9, 2011 at 12:25 AM

1) stand for something.

2) fight for those principles you say you hold dear.

3) EDUCATE and wage an informational war. You have facebook, twitter, talk radio, foxnews. news mags like Weekly standard, newsmax etc. and stick to you guns and when you compromise get them to give up as much as you are giving up. The dems want PP to not get cut? fine then NPR gets cut. Adn show some spine and stand up to the bullies and if they threaten to shut down the government make sure you are out at every townhall event, every potluck dinner and every local media outlet explaining how the dems shut down the gov.

You might not get a overwhelming majority but if you explain your actions give out the turth you will at the least get 50/50 outcome and then it is just a matter of bearing the pain until one side blinks. The dems will blink first because their voters are the most connected to government benefits. The conservatives don’t nee dgovernment, don’t wait for a check in the mail…. don’t need an art grant, or a EPA grant or a pell grant….

you educate the voters. The RINOs have never educated the voters if not for talk radio the rinos would be a small regional party.

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 12:34 AM

And bust he did Sandee. Flopped like an old catfish in the floor of the boat.

Big Orange on April 9, 2011 at 12:34 AM

Thank you.

Time for him to go.

sandee on April 9, 2011 at 12:34 AM

I apologie for trying to be reasonable and looking at the bigger picture. Carry on.

di butler on April 9, 2011 at 12:27 AM

If you worked for the government for 20 years, I am definately interested in your input.

Vince on April 9, 2011 at 12:35 AM

The House still had to get it passed in the Senate.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:31 AM

What if the democrats in the senate had demanded a $39 billion increase? Would you still say that? How about if the democrats had demanded a $390 billion increase?

Heckle on April 9, 2011 at 12:35 AM

Michelle was worried about the troops not getting paid. I think if troop pay was not on the line I think there would be a shut down tonight. Now I hope that Michelle puts through this legistlation not to hold troop pay hostage.

Brat4life on April 9, 2011 at 12:35 AM

No agenda here – just looking for the facts, and I’m not finding anything showing Bachmann caving on this?

miConsevative on April 9, 2011 at 12:31 AM


But it’s time to face the facts. This is the “small ball” battle that House leadership has chosen to engage.

9i.e it’s time to move on to the bigger battles….)

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 12:37 AM

Did Obama and Michelle get to go on their vacation?I worry so for his health. He works sooooo hard….

sandee on April 9, 2011 at 12:37 AM

Heckle on April 9, 2011 at 12:33 AM

How, then, does a House Bill become law?

In simplest terms.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:37 AM

di butler on April 9, 2011 at 12:33 AM

No biggie!!! Your expertise is appreciated.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 12:38 AM

Heckle on April 9, 2011 at 12:35 AM

Then, right now government would have been shutdown, completely and we’d be fighting this thing for weeks and weeks to come.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:38 AM

So you are taking a Huckabee quote and then a misinterpretation of Bachmann’s words by AP over Bachmann’s words themselves? Weak tea dude. I’m as big a Palinista as you, but twisting facts like this isn’t going to help our cause. It weakens it, in fact, because it makes everything else you say suspect. Come clean on this on.

miConsevative on April 9, 2011 at 12:29 AM

What huckabee quote? that was a MB quote. Did you read Allah’s post?

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/08/huckabee-to-gop-avoid-a-shutdown-at-all-costs/

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 12:39 AM

We need smarter leaders with real backbone. Enough of Boner already – he’s a career hack, and he has shown us that he has no priciples or resolve.

Tim_CA on April 9, 2011 at 12:25 AM

How amny times in the last month or two have you heard Boehnor say, “We don’t want a government shutdown”… “We don’t want a government shut down”… The Democrats could see how scared he was of a shutdown. His constituents would not have held it against him. We need strong leader in charge and Boehner McCarthy Cantor are not it.

38.5 billion when Ryan jsut released a video that says we have to cut moe than 6 trillion to save this country???

What a joke!

CCRWM on April 9, 2011 at 12:40 AM

They caved on funding abortion centers. Idiots. They will pay in elections.

tx2654 on April 9, 2011 at 12:31 AM

From my perspective, they equated duly-earned military wages to federal funding for eugenics and ethnic cleansing. I’ve never been so disgusted in all my life.

CantCureStupid on April 9, 2011 at 12:41 AM

However, the fact remains that a member of the Tea Party is still accurately described as “teabagger”. Start liking it.

chumpThreads on April 9, 2011 at 12:17 AM

I like to maintain a certain standard on HA, and I won’t be goaded by the likes of you.

chumpThreads on April 9, 2011 at 12:22 AM

Maybe you should climb out of the sewers and aim a little higher. Your standard smells like crap.

dominigan on April 9, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Congress is where laws are made, budgets and appropriations are passed, and where the real power in DC rests.

Think back to 1995…Clinton in the White House, the 104th Congress owned by the GOP. Clinton did not choose to become a centrist, he was forced to become a centrist.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:28 AM

Congress has no power in this modern era if you have a liberal President who rules by executive orders carried out by Czars and agencies combined with a left wing activist judiciary which green lights his every move.

Daemonocracy on April 9, 2011 at 12:42 AM

38.5 billion when Ryan jsut released a video that says we have to cut moe than 6 trillion to save this country???

What a joke!

CCRWM on April 9, 2011 at 12:40 AM

$6 Trillion carried out how many years? Depending on 2.5% unemployment.

We got $2 billion cut until Thursday when the rest is to be cut as well, totalling $38.5 billion cut today. On top of the previous cuts as riders to the CR’s passed.

No way could the House have passed and the Senate ratified a $6 Trillion cut tonight….never.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:43 AM

Daemonocracy on April 9, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Congress can defund anything it wants if it has the votes to override a veto.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:44 AM

The ENTIRE GOP LEADERSHIP in the Congress should resign for incompetence.

They are not Conservatives………they are Progressives with a different initial by their names.

AND WHERE ARE THE TEA PARTY FRESHMAN?

PappyD61 on April 9, 2011 at 12:21 AM

Again, this was a battle not worth going all-in on. It’s a skirmish taking the focus off the real war.

If these “not Conservative” Congressmen actually pass Ryan’s budget and if we are able to repeal Obamacare and pass entitlement reform you’re not even going to remember today – because it won’t matter. They will make history. And, perhaps, they will be able to (we shall see…) but if so it will in part be because they kept their powder dry and didn’t get caught up in a trap Obama & Reid were trying to set for them here.

The real war is still yet to be fought.

MikeknaJ on April 9, 2011 at 12:45 AM

you educate the voters. The RINOs have never educated the voters if not for talk radio the rinos would be a small regional party.

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 12:34 AM

Right. “It’s just the messaging, not the policy.” Haven’t we been here trashing nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer for saying exactly that after they got their asses kicked last November?

We have an electorate that has been fed BS about how wonderful big government is for THREE GENERATIONS. Would you mind telling me exactly how John Boehner is supposed to change that in 3 months? How is he supposed to convince a nation of economic and mathematics illiterates that a trillion dollars is really a lot of money and we can’t find it just by taking a few more dollars from a handful of millionaires?

rockmom on April 9, 2011 at 12:46 AM

Then, right now government would have been shutdown, completely and we’d be fighting this thing for weeks and weeks to come.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:38 AM

Now you are cooking.

Heckle on April 9, 2011 at 12:46 AM

The Husband says the plan includes promises of stand alone votes on repealing Obamacare and defunding Planned Parenthood. This could be an excellent ploy for Democrats seeking reelection in red states. Who wants to vote for Obamacare again?

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 12:46 AM

38.5 billion when Ryan jsut released a video that says we have to cut moe than 6 trillion to save this country???

What a joke!

CCRWM on April 9, 2011 at 12:40 AM

You do understand that those numbers are two completely separate things & issues, with Ryan’s budget yet to be fought for.

MikeknaJ on April 9, 2011 at 12:46 AM

What huckabee quote? that was a MB quote. Did you read Allah’s post?

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/08/huckabee-to-gop-avoid-a-shutdown-at-all-costs/

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 12:39 AM

Sorry, misread that. What what you’re inferring is not at all what her RedState article (from which that segment came) is saying.

http://www.redstate.com/rep_michele_bachmann/2011/04/08/not-a-big-enough-fight/

She hates to see people acting like this is a monumental fight when it isn’t. She’s not saying it’s not important or not to be won – she says it’s needs to happen but it needs to be bigger. Real the full article without looking for the spin you seem to have needed to pick up against Bachmann since she’s hinted at a possible Presidential bid. I’ve for the most part respected your support for Palin on here and your fact based debates – but lately you seem to be going after other candidates (often irrationally) who talk about presidential runs.

miConsevative on April 9, 2011 at 12:47 AM

Budget bills have to be passed by both houses and signed by the President. If two out of those three agree with each other and not with you, I fail to see how you win.

rockmom on April 9, 2011 at 12:23 AM

That is utterly shortsighted…it’s the Senate and Obama versus the House and every frickin’ American TEA Partier (and we number in the millions) who put 64 additional Republicans in the House last Novemember! Of the 4, we are teh ones who matter the most and have the most power.

Boehner should have held his groundd and let the Govt shut down if need be… it would have been outrageous of the Democrats to it over ABORTION while at the same time not paying the military (that was all Obama and everyone knew it).. We had the stronger hand but the wimps who run the Republican party just didn’t know it.

CCRWM on April 9, 2011 at 12:47 AM

Then, right now government would have been shutdown, completely and we’d be fighting this thing for weeks and weeks to come.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:38 AM

Actually it would not have been shut down COMPLETELY. That’s Harry Reid talk.

Heckle on April 9, 2011 at 12:47 AM

Congress can defund anything it wants if it has the votes to override a veto.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:44 AM

If they can’t shut the government down in this instance, they would never defund anything. Especially with so many congressional districts reliant on hand outs and pork provided by our progressive tax code.

Daemonocracy on April 9, 2011 at 12:48 AM

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 12:46 AM

Might not be able to repeal Obamacare, but we can defund major portions of it…and Obamacare is not severable. The way it was written is that if any major provision goes, all of it stands moot. Pelosi and Reid wrote this in when they produced this Obamanation in order to get all the Dems behind them, and prevent fratricide in the ranks.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:50 AM

The fact remains. They cannot use federal funds for abortions. Period.
Eliminating the funding that goes towards women’s health and contraception (which reduces unwanted pregnancies and thus the need for abortions) is simply the irrational wet dream of the anti-choice fanatics.

chumpThreads on April 8, 2011 at 11:49 PM

What a load of BS. That money is shifted between imaginary buckets. Funding PP is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and unwanted.

And please don’t try the lame explanation that since people can’t afford condoms at the grocery store, that they’ll magically have enough to pay for gas and take the time to drive several miles to a PP location to get them for free. You can’t seriously be that dumb.

dominigan on April 9, 2011 at 12:51 AM

Today was a day where Gold hit an all-time high ($1475 an an ounce), Silver hit a post-1980 high ($41 an ounce, up a whole dollar) and crude oil hit $110 a barrel. The markets are telling us bluntly that there’s too much deficit spending, too much mondetization of debt, and way too much money printing.

And nothing that happened in Washington tonight changed that.

Emperor Norton on April 9, 2011 at 12:51 AM

You do understand that those numbers are two completely separate things & issues, with Ryan’s budget yet to be fought for.

MikeknaJ on April 9, 2011 at 12:46 AM

Uh Yeah genius….and you do understand that the idiots that lost this one will be the ones doing the fighting right?

Tim_CA on April 9, 2011 at 12:52 AM

You do understand that those numbers are two completely separate things & issues, with Ryan’s budget yet to be fought for.

MikeknaJ on April 9, 2011 at 12:46 AM

They aren’t different… we’re arent talking about different money here… we needed to start cutting spending yesterday … We are borrowing 41 cents of every dollar we spend in this gov’t …it’s insane! The first thing you do when in a hole is stop digging!

CCRWM on April 9, 2011 at 12:52 AM

Heckle on April 9, 2011 at 12:47 AM

Yeah, you are right…just 800,000 nonessentials sent home.

Essential services, military, border air traffic control, that sort of thing still operating…in hopes they get funding repatriated when things start up again.

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:52 AM

Anybody got a list of tea party freshman that voted yea on this bull crap?

Heads need to roll.

johnnyboy on April 9, 2011 at 12:52 AM

Oh, I’m not going to get into a “your mother” fight with you, Baxter. I like to maintain a certain standard on HA, and I won’t be goaded by the likes of you.

Hey, it’s been real.
Sleep tight. Bite the bedbugs!

chumpThreads on April 9, 2011 at 12:22 AM

Liberal speak for …Runnnnnnnnnn Awayyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!

…ahh yes…the brave Sir Robin.

Baxter Greene on April 9, 2011 at 12:53 AM

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:50 AM

I am sure it is just a political ploy but I think it might be a smart one. I’m just trying to find a silver lining.

Cindy Munford on April 9, 2011 at 12:53 AM

CCRWM on April 9, 2011 at 12:47 AM

With no provision made for members of the armed forces?

coldwarrior on April 9, 2011 at 12:54 AM

I’m still in the camp that this was an epic fail on the part of Boehner and the GOP. Time will tell, but right now I’m pissed. Out for now…

sandee on April 9, 2011 at 12:54 AM

Right. “It’s just the messaging, not the policy.” Haven’t we been here trashing nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer for saying exactly that after they got their asses kicked last November?

We have an electorate that has been fed BS about how wonderful big government is for THREE GENERATIONS. Would you mind telling me exactly how John Boehner is supposed to change that in 3 months? How is he supposed to convince a nation of economic and mathematics illiterates that a trillion dollars is really a lot of money and we can’t find it just by taking a few more dollars from a handful of millionaires?

rockmom on April 9, 2011 at 12:46 AM

did I say messaging? No i said education. that takes work and is long and is time consuming. It can be done. Like how Reagan explained the horrors of communism, This isn’t about spin or talking points. It is about education. educating people in economics, in civics, in politics, in interest rates, etc etc…..

And I have no idea where you get three generations. Reagan 23 years ago showed the people what conservatism was. 23 years is not three generations. And reagan won in landslides not seen by sticking to his primciples of limited government federalism and supply side economics and ecuating voters on why it was the right way to go. And then giving them results.

You act like this hasn’t been done before. It has to the greatest succes the GOp has had since the civil war. Study the Reagan playbook and move away from bushism…

unseen on April 9, 2011 at 12:55 AM

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