Boehner reportedly tells GOP caucus: Dems will win if the government shuts down

posted at 7:48 pm on April 5, 2011 by Allahpundit

Three possibilities. One: It’s all lies, concocted to weaken Boehner’s hand at a critical moment in negotiations. Two: It’s true, and is being leaked by Boehner’s allies in the caucus to warn the base that they might be steering us off a cliff before Paul Ryan’s epic budget has had a fair shake publicly. Three: It’s true, and is being leaked by Boehner’s opponents in the caucus to warn the base that he’s going wobbly and that they should keep up the pressure for deeper cuts.

“The Democrats think they benefit from a government shutdown. I agree,” Boehner said during a closed-door, 90-minute meeting on House Republicans on Monday night, according to several lawmakers who attended the session.

Boehner’s opinion was quickly backed up GOP lawmakers who were serving in Congress during 1995, when former Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) squared off with then President Bill Clinton by shutting down the government twice. Reps. Don Young (Alaska), Dana Rohrbacher (Calif.) and Buck McKeon (Calif.) — a close ally — supported Boehner’s position. Dozens of other Republicans rallied to support Boehner as well, in a moment that one GOP insider called a “turning point” for House Republicans

But while Boehner may have backing from the old veterans in his camp, he’s run headlong into the tea-party group of House Republicans who believe that Obama and Senate Democrats would come off the worse if a shutdown actually takes place…

The split among Republicans breaks somewhat along generational lines, but even more clearly between those who have served in government — either in the state, local or federal level — and those who have never done so.

If there really was a “turning point” in Boehner’s favor last night, why is he suddenly demanding deeper cuts from Reid today? That’s not a move you make if you’re worried about a shutdown and have the support of your caucus in compromising to avert it. On the contrary, the fact that he would up the ante suggests that he’s looking at so many defections if the leadership agrees to only $33 billion in cuts that he might not be able to pass the bill even with significant Democratic support.

When asked why he thinks a shutdown now wouldn’t be a replay of 1995, Mike Pence said, “We have the internet, we have talk radio, we have an infrastructure to get our message out.” All true, and of course the country’s spending is crazed now in a way that it wasn’t 15 years ago. But don’t underestimate how many low-information voters are out there; we’ve already seen one example of that today, in fact, in the poll about New Hampshire Republicans who apparently haven’t gotten the memo yet about RomneyCare. There’s plenty of education available about how entitlements are driving America to fiscal ruin on the Internet and on talk radio and among conservative media infrastructure, but in poll after poll you find an astounding reluctance to reform Medicare and Social Security — even among tea partiers. No matter how good and plentiful your “messaging” is, some voters will inevitably conclude that the shutdown must be the GOP’s fault because, after all, they’re the party that opposes government. Democrats, being the party of government, would never support shutting it down! As crude as that reasoning is, some will adopt it, just as some continue to believe that entitlement spending can be maintained or even increased if we just start cutting stuff like NPR and foreign aid. The only question is how many people like that are out there — especially among independents. How lucky do you feel?

Exit question: If they’re going to risk a shutdown over this year’s budget, should Paul Ryan be the one to try to sell it to the media/public? On the one hand, with all the praise today for the seriousness of his 2012 budget, he’d bring extra credibility to the GOP’s arguments. On the other hand, if Boehner’s right and we end up losing the war for public opinion anyway, Ryan will be seen as the face of a misguided effort and that’ll hurt his credibility on the far more important subject of entitlements. Maybe he should be inoculated from this debate to keep his legitimacy on long-term fiscal reform intact.


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I move for a vote of no confidence in Chancellor Valorum Speaker Boehner…

rightwingyahooo on April 5, 2011 at 7:52 PM

All I know is I want deep cuts, defunding of Obamacare, my tax refund and my passport and if we/I don’t get them in the timely manner, I know EXACTLY who the blame.

jawkneemusic on April 5, 2011 at 7:52 PM

I’d be surprised if he said that. The polls show that that’s not true.

sandee on April 5, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Boehner reminds me of that mayor in RED DAWN

unseen on April 5, 2011 at 7:52 PM

This isn’t about Republican/Democrat you blubbering sot, it’s about the country.
These people make my ass tired.

darwin-t on April 5, 2011 at 7:53 PM

I move for a vote of no confidence in Chancellor Valorum Speaker Boehner…

rightwingyahooo on April 5, 2011 at 7:52 PM

careful you might make him cry

unseen on April 5, 2011 at 7:53 PM

Put up or move on John,let some one else run the ship.

Sandybourne on April 5, 2011 at 7:53 PM

Thanks for your input Eeyore. Damn…

Lance Murdock on April 5, 2011 at 7:54 PM

Well, kind of hard to accuse Boehner of wanting a shutdown when with leaks like this.

Daemonocracy on April 5, 2011 at 7:54 PM

This is just too funny … And coming right after Obabay gave his help me homer speech today.

LOL …

tarpon on April 5, 2011 at 7:55 PM

Meanwhile…the Leftys..are busy threatening Death!!

Tuesday, April 5, 2011
Union Leader Pledges ‘Thousands of Dead Bodies’ at Greater Boston ‘We Are One’ Protest

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canopfor on April 5, 2011 at 7:56 PM

Boehner has weak knees at the prospect of a shutdown, and has all along. In fact, he’s weak all over.

Who do you serve, Speaker? The low info voters can be brought along, but you’re losing the base.

Shut’er down.

roscopico on April 5, 2011 at 7:56 PM

Continue funding of obamacare = continued opposing of these worthless CRs.

clement on April 5, 2011 at 7:57 PM

Shut ‘er down.

Let the chips fall where they may.

Knucklehead on April 5, 2011 at 7:57 PM

Just stop with all the collegial compromising and working together already.

It’s time we had a FIGHT.

fossten on April 5, 2011 at 7:57 PM

I’d be surprised if he said that. The polls show that that’s not true.
sandee on April 5, 2011 at 7:52 PM

I’m with you … This is a viscious enemy, remember.
Let’s not forget they have orders to undermine, sabotage, etc.

pambi on April 5, 2011 at 7:57 PM

some voters will inevitably conclude that the shutdown must be the GOP’s fault

The dems are so good at demagogueing, everything seems to be looked at through their point of view. Paul Ryan has hit every top tier talker from Rush to Mark Levin, I hope it isn’t in vain.

fourdeucer on April 5, 2011 at 7:58 PM

Where’s the message? Anybody seen a GOP TV or youtube commercial? A radio ad? A newspaper ad about where the Democrat’s spending is taking us?

JellyToast on April 5, 2011 at 7:58 PM

Boehner reportedly tells GOP caucus: Dems will win if the government shuts down
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That will be the MSM Narrational Meme me thinks!

canopfor on April 5, 2011 at 7:58 PM

If the r’s give in to bho, he will be a shoe in for 2012! If you r’s give in to bho, you will get the voters to get your sorry hind ends out of dc! This worthless slug, bho, is using you and you are so stupid you don’t care. Frankly boehner, if you cave to bho and d’s it won’t matter if you do or do not shut down, you all are toast come next election! We are sick of the whole blooming lot of you!
L

letget on April 5, 2011 at 7:59 PM

Maybe they should develop the mindset that they should do what is good for the country and quit worrying about their reelection chances. That’s what has gotten us to the situation we’re in now.

I personally am sick of these politicians holding their finger up to the political winds to see which way it’s blowing so they can make their decisions based on that.

We need more Jim DeMints and Rand Pauls in Congress.

iamsaved on April 5, 2011 at 7:59 PM

Where’s the message? Anybody seen a GOP TV or youtube commercial? A radio ad? A newspaper ad about where the Democrat’s spending is taking us?

JellyToast on April 5, 2011 at 7:58 PM

JellyToast:Great to see ya back,and zero,zip,notta,on da
messaging thingy!!:)

canopfor on April 5, 2011 at 8:00 PM

But don’t underestimate how many low-information voters are out there; we’ve already seen one example of that today, in fact, in the poll about New Hampshire Republicans who apparently haven’t gotten the memo yet about RomneyCare.

Never underestimate these people. These are the people who decide which candidate to vote for while physically inside the voting booth. These are the people who dont understand policy, or principles. These are the people who wish that they never hear of a political crisis since both parties should “act like adults” and sit down and resolve all the issues together. These are the people who wish that the government did not shut down, simply because they cannot get into a national park on the weekend.

These are the people who decide elections.

Never underestimate them.

Revenant on April 5, 2011 at 8:00 PM

*sigh*

capejasmine on April 5, 2011 at 8:00 PM

O/T
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Polls are closing in Wisconsin,T-Minus 1 hour!!

canopfor on April 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Here’s what’s a lie, the AP “Obama presses Congress to avoid a shutdown” headline of the moment. May the AP suffocate, all of them, from the caca they eat in Obama’s ars.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM

its a bs leak, ignore it.

rob verdi on April 5, 2011 at 8:03 PM

Shut it down…at least the Democrats can’t spend then. Shut it down!

Karmi on April 5, 2011 at 8:03 PM

Boehner is out as Speaker in 2012 if he wimps out. He will be primaried. He may retain his seat but there will be enough Tea Party Reps to vote for someone else as leader.

But, frankly, I don’t trust the lsm to report the ‘truth’.

ladyingray on April 5, 2011 at 8:03 PM

I agree with Pence’s assessment. We have a different information world than 1995. I can’t speak for New Hampshire, as they may sleep with sheep, I don’t know.

Wee need a champion to burn down the strawman arguments will be used to try and paint us into a corner.

Kini on April 5, 2011 at 8:05 PM

Let me get this straight:

It’s a Democrat “victory” if the Republicans close down an overextended goverment.

Does this mean that Democrats lose if Republicans keep it open?

roy_batty on April 5, 2011 at 8:05 PM

Exit question: If they’re going to risk a shutdown over this year’s budget, should Paul Ryan be the one to try to sell it to the media/public? On the one hand, with all the praise today for the seriousness of his 2012 budget, he’d bring extra credibility to the GOP’s arguments. On the other hand, if Boehner’s right and we end up losing the war for public opinion anyway, Ryan will be seen as the face of a misguided effort and that’ll hurt his credibility on the far more important subject of entitlements.

Don’t know why you’re such a squish on this isssue. Seems pretty straightforward to me:

We’re Broke.

Dopey’s Party has absolutely no intention of slowing spending.

We had an amazing midterm election that shook DC to it’s core and resulted in big changes in Statehouses all over the country.

No one (including me) is taking Republican leadership seriously.

Exit question for you…If not now…..when?

Tim_CA on April 5, 2011 at 8:05 PM

Exit question: If they’re going to risk a shutdown over this year’s budget, should Paul Ryan be the one to try to sell it to the media/public?

NO!

Get Ryan out of the spot light all together. Let the freaking DEMS take this crap sandwich to the public and see wtf happens!

upinak on April 5, 2011 at 8:06 PM

Seems we need a Speaker with a bit more pronounced cajones and a bit less pronounced tear ducts.

Pablo Snooze on April 5, 2011 at 8:06 PM

Ugh. Neither party will fix this debt. Neither party can fix this debt. The hypocrisy is unfathomable, the lack of confidence in our intelligence is insulting, and the lack of respect for the oath they all took is telling.

At this point it’s all about figuring out how to shelter any meager wealth you may have from the tax man or how to shelter your family once the reserve currency is shifted from the dollar and all that paper is relatively worthless.

/eeyore/realist

NTWR on April 5, 2011 at 8:07 PM

Come on. This is Politico. The. Worst. Journalistic. Outlet. Of. All. Time. Ever.

steebo77 on April 5, 2011 at 8:09 PM

The GOP is creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. By showing how concerned they are about being blamed they will end up being the one’s who get blamed. If this is going to head to a shutdown you have to stay on offense at all times.

Mark1971 on April 5, 2011 at 8:09 PM

Let me get this straight:

It’s a Democrat “victory” if the Republicans close down an overextended goverment.

Does this mean that Democrats lose if Republicans keep it open?

roy_batty on April 5, 2011 at 8:05 PM

The Dems control the way information is released to the masses.
They win either way.

darwin-t on April 5, 2011 at 8:09 PM

American Intelligence will win.

Let the socialists shut the Government down.

Sit, and wait. And be paitent. Eventually, all those groveling welfare grubbing statists will insists on welfare checks, thus exposing the Democratic party for what it is, who supports them, and why there has to be a shut down to begin with.

GET. A. JOB. you welfare sucking pigs.

Key West Reader on April 5, 2011 at 8:09 PM

GOP House members should just flee to Canada for a while…

Anyway, I for one don’t think a shutdown, if it happens soon, would adversely affect the GOP in the ’12 election. A shutdown can’t last very long (can it?) and by the time the general election comes around, no one is going to care that it happened.

I have full faith in Boehner to handle this properly. He won’t give in, nor will Ryan. This is why the GOP regained the House…they cannot bend to the Democrats now. Hold firm.

JetBoy on April 5, 2011 at 8:10 PM

Some things, like our children’s future, are more important than a mid term Rino victory.

elfman on April 5, 2011 at 8:11 PM

I vote for option 1.

SouthernGent on April 5, 2011 at 8:12 PM

Where’s the message? Anybody seen a GOP TV or youtube commercial? A radio ad? A newspaper ad about where the Democrat’s spending is taking us?

JellyToast on April 5, 2011 at 7:58 PM

JellyToast:Great to see ya back,and zero,zip,notta,on da
messaging thingy!!:)

canopfor on April 5, 2011 at 8:00 PM

Sadly the 90-10 vote sends a clear message about the GOP resolve IMO.

F15Mech on April 5, 2011 at 8:13 PM

And, good CEO move by Boehner.

Let’s step up to the plate and admit to America. Yes, we have a serious problem. It is coming at us like a torpedo from China.

Can we support the Welfare peeps who sit on their door steps sipping the beers at 9am while the rest of America toils? Can we support the deterioration of families as single women comingle and decide to become pregnant and give birth soleley because they believe that if the male leaves that they will have the support of the state?

Should we continue, as taxpayers, to support the funding of human murder at the hands of Planned Parenthood?

Choices.

Key West Reader on April 5, 2011 at 8:13 PM

RUSH: Democrats Are The Gutless Wonders, The Masterminds Of Destruction, They Cry Like A Bunch Of Stuffed Pigs, Whine Like A Bunch Of Little Children

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canopfor on April 5, 2011 at 8:13 PM

I want to ask… WTF are the freaking Tea Party guys everyone elected? Why aren’t they telling THEIR States what the heck is going on?

All those steel balls are showing to be just plated and not the real thing.

upinak on April 5, 2011 at 8:14 PM

I have full faith in Boehner to handle this properly. He won’t give in, nor will Ryan. This is why the GOP regained the House…they cannot bend to the Democrats now. Hold firm.

JetBoy on April 5, 2011 at 8:10 PM

I’m saving that one

darwin-t on April 5, 2011 at 8:14 PM

I’m just done with Boehner. He’s part of the problem.

Big Orange on April 5, 2011 at 8:14 PM

politico, really?

rob verdi on April 5, 2011 at 8:15 PM

RUSH: Pssst… NO Shutdown During A Government Shutdown
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canopfor on April 5, 2011 at 8:15 PM

Paul Ryan’s epic budget

Yes, 40 years is truly an epic amount of time simply to balance a budget.

FloatingRock on April 5, 2011 at 8:15 PM

I have full faith in Boehner to handle this properly. He won’t give in, nor will Ryan. This is why the GOP regained the House…they cannot bend to the Democrats now. Hold firm.

JetBoy on April 5, 2011 at 8:10 PM

Can I have some of whatever you’re smoking?

Knucklehead on April 5, 2011 at 8:17 PM

I’m just done with Boehner. He’s part of the problem.

Big Orange on April 5, 2011 at 8:14 PM

Exactly the way I’m leaning – I don’t think he brought the right skill-set to the job. How he handles this will tell us alot.

Tim_CA on April 5, 2011 at 8:18 PM

Damn I hate formatting.

Tim_CA on April 5, 2011 at 8:18 PM

RUSH: Democrats Punted On Their Budget, They Didn’t Present One, Took The Cowards Way Out
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canopfor on April 5, 2011 at 8:19 PM

I still believe a shutdown hurts the Dems b/c it will show people how well they can live without certain programs and so, why do we fund them in the first place? I think it would help the GOP’s quest in cutting waste by pointing out all the worthless “non-essential” programs there are that are a drain on our taxes.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on April 5, 2011 at 8:19 PM

I’m saving that one

darwin-t on April 5, 2011 at 8:14 PM

lol….Please do. I know I’ve been wrong in the past *cough* Crist *cough* but I’ve been right too…Boehner cannot cede to the Democrats, and he knows it. He’s been fighting hard for years as minority leader, and is doing the same these days. If he gives in too much (aiming high on cuts, there’s room for a little bickering, but not much) then the GOP loses huge.

JetBoy on April 5, 2011 at 8:20 PM

He who flinches first…uhhhh….flinches first

NY Conservative on April 5, 2011 at 8:20 PM

Mr. Speaker…

Grow some damn b*lls!!!!!!!

I am so tired of this crap.

Gothguy on April 5, 2011 at 8:22 PM

If Dems and Repubs are unable to reach a budget deal, and the government shuts down for the remainder of FY 2011, the American taxpayer will ultimately be the winnder as a result on the freeze of government spending.

paulsur on April 5, 2011 at 8:22 PM

Where’s the message? Anybody seen a GOP TV or youtube commercial? A radio ad? A newspaper ad about where the Democrat’s spending is taking us?

JellyToast on April 5, 2011 at 7:58 PM
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JellyToast:Great to see ya back,and zero,zip,notta,on da
messaging thingy!!:)

canopfor on April 5, 2011 at 8:00 PM
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Sadly the 90-10 vote sends a clear message about the GOP resolve IMO.

F15Mech on April 5, 2011 at 8:13 PM

F15Mech:Yup,and its good to see you too,Strike-Eagle:)

canopfor on April 5, 2011 at 8:23 PM

If true, Boehner and the old guard are still playing by the “old” rules. The Democratic party of course will always play by those rules, what Boehner needs to realize is that its a new game. We are in serious financial trouble, and enough of the populace realizes it, and he needs to get with the program.

Koa on April 5, 2011 at 8:24 PM

Let me see, risk shutting down the government or risk total collapse of the economy?
Risk losing the next election or do nothing and risk destroying the nation’s future?
Uh, be called names by lib morons or be called appeasers by hard working Americans?
Keep living in fear and pretending it’s 1995 or something or wake the heck up and realize it’s a new freaking century!

Decisions, decisions.

JellyToast on April 5, 2011 at 8:24 PM

shut it down for a year and a half…

equanimous on April 5, 2011 at 8:25 PM

It is interesting to note that the repubs have submitted a fy2011 budget and it is dems who are rejecting it. Doesnt a budget mean that the government continues to run? Doesnt rejecting the budget means the government shutdown? Who is going to shutdown the government? Who? Who?

paulsur on April 5, 2011 at 8:26 PM

If it’s true, we’re getting closer and closer to a third party.

rmgraha on April 5, 2011 at 8:26 PM

Dems will win what? Not Republican votes, nor vice versa. I think the ghost of Newt is hanging too heavily over all of this — those of us who are watching are much better informed than we ever were in ’95, and Boehner doesn’t have Newt’s negatives (yet?). Dems aren’t going to vote for you anyway. JoBo. Dance with the ones who brought ya.

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canopfor on April 5, 2011 at 8:28 PM

Shut er Down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on April 5, 2011 at 8:29 PM

there is no reason to risk everything for a few billion dollars. Make the compromise. But continue to fight the next battles.

this is a long, long fight…and, in truth, the odds are against us. How many people get checks directly from the government (state, local, federal)..hmmmm. how many believe that the Dims help them get a raise (union members, etc.) How many think that the Dims will help their relatives get benes in the future? How many rely on OPM for an education, healthcare?

r keller on April 5, 2011 at 8:29 PM

it’s either possibility two or three, this from dana rohrabacher’s tweet in response to a blogger “Retake presidency = save USA.1995 gov shutdown reelected Clinton. U would do same for Obama & prevent real reform. Not smart.”

schmitty on April 5, 2011 at 8:29 PM

When asked why he thinks a shutdown now wouldn’t be a replay of 1995, Mike Pence said, “We have the internet, we have talk radio, we have an infrastructure to get our message out.” All true, and of course the country’s spending is crazed now in a way that it wasn’t 15 years ago. But don’t underestimate how many low-information voters are out there;

Exactly. Never – NEVER – understimate the media’s ability and willingness to propagandize an issue to hurt Republicans, coupled with the general apathy of the American electorate who can’t be arsed to really avail themselves of what is the truth and what is spin. And it is a VERY real threat in this case, otherwise Democrats wouldn’t be rooting so much for a shutdown.

A lot of pundits have been saying, “well, at a minimum, it would be ‘a pox on both your houses’, not just all the blame on Republicans”, and maybe that’s true. But the danger in a shutdown now is twofold – one, that all of the blame will be put again on the GOP, as it was in 1995; or, failing that, a shutdown now fatigues the public so much that when the REAL battle comes later this year over the 2012 budget – over Ryan’s plan, or more – and there will be no tolerance for further party warfare. Do you think the American public will have tolerance for TWO government shutdowns, one now and one later this year over the 2012 budget? I do not.

Vyce on April 5, 2011 at 8:30 PM

I don’t understand why we’re worried about this. No matter the outcome, it will be spun in the media as a Democrat success. Either the mean old Repubs shut down the great and powerful Oz -I mean government- or Democrat compromise prevented the mean old Repubs from shutting down the government. Shut it down; services can only improve.

BKeyser on April 5, 2011 at 8:30 PM

SHUT IT DOWN!

GarandFan on April 5, 2011 at 8:30 PM

according to several lawmakers who attended the session.

BS. Standard no reference crap for what passes as a quote these days. And everyone here falls for it.

Sheep.

BierManVA on April 5, 2011 at 8:30 PM

You know, I am waiting to see how the voters of Wisconsin decide. If citizens don’t bother to get informed, get active, and stay involved, and decide to slap down Gov. Walker and the state GOP — then why should Boehner trust that the public won’t turn on them, too, should the DC GOP stands up strongly to the Dems and a shutdown occurs.

I am not targeting anyone for blame for this mess, if AP is right and even many Tea Party types don’t get the fact that entitlement reform is critical. Frankly, the fact there are spending cuts is a testament to the successful trajectory of Boehner’s plan.

Mutnodjmet on April 5, 2011 at 8:30 PM

Dems will win what? Not Republican votes, nor vice versa. I think the ghost of Newt is hanging too heavily over all of this — those of us who are watching are much better informed than we ever were in ’95, and Boehner doesn’t have Newt’s negatives (yet?). Dems aren’t going to vote for you anyway. JoBo. Dance with the ones who brought ya.

Fortunata on April 5, 2011 at 8:26 PM

A shutdown will increase welfare turnout in ’12. Obama wins in a walkover.

darwin-t on April 5, 2011 at 8:31 PM

I’ll be glad when people just quit lending you money, so we can altogether stop this foolishness and move on to some new foolishness.

Kralizec on April 5, 2011 at 8:31 PM

Exit question: If they’re going to risk a shutdown over this year’s budget, should Paul Ryan be the one to try to sell it to the media/public? On the one hand, with all the praise today for the seriousness of his 2012 budget, he’d bring extra credibility to the GOP’s arguments. On the other hand, if Boehner’s right and we end up losing the war for public opinion anyway, Ryan will be seen as the face of a misguided effort and that’ll hurt his credibility on the far more important subject of entitlements. Maybe he should be inoculated from this debate to keep his legitimacy on long-term fiscal reform intact.

As usual, Allahpundit’s uncanny ability to leave one twisting in the wind over who’s reputation will be damaged in the long or short term begs another question: how much do Republican candidates really fear the wrath of the Tea Party? Do Republicans think the strongest national surge in political history was just a fluke? Does Boehner? Further, does Obama and his free-spending party really think they’re getting a pass in 2012 for the enormous debt they’ve created? Yes, it might be prudent to leave Ryan in the bullpen for another battle, but if the Republican Party doesn’t stay completely united the their resolve to seriously reduce the size of this government, Ryan may end up coming out to pitch when ten runs of the opposition have already crossed the plate. And, with “the game” already over, you can bet the fans in the stands have gone home—disgusted again. Who will care about credibility at that point?

Rovin on April 5, 2011 at 8:35 PM

Well NBC is in the Democrat column on this issue.

darwin-t on April 5, 2011 at 8:36 PM

I’m not a Boner fan but this report reeks of a psyops leak.

rickyricardo on April 5, 2011 at 8:37 PM

Shut down the government or shut down America?

The Democrats want to keep the government operating so they can shut down America!

Hey! What’s that giant sucking sound? It’s America’s future being sucked down the freaking government drain! What is it.. 4-8 billion dollars a day!? I can’t remember the number. It just keeps getting bigger.

JellyToast on April 5, 2011 at 8:38 PM

THE WRECKING BALL and his Progressive slimes WANT A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN as an excuse to bring their millions of Astroturfing Unionistas into D.C.

THIS IS THEIR MOMENT to show their power.


Gird your loins Conservatives
by the time this is over there could be a U.S. Capitol surrounded by millions of Union thugs and sheeple. By the time the SEIU / JP Morgan Chase plan to attack the banks comes off in May we could have cars burning in D.C.

THE PROGRESSIVES have fought for 100 years to take over this Government and TRANSFORM this country and they will do everything……EVERYTHING……they can to get what they want.

V-A Day, November 6th, 2012
(Victory for America Day)

PappyD61 on April 5, 2011 at 8:41 PM

Shut er down

Dingbat63 on April 5, 2011 at 8:41 PM

I’m not a Boner fan but this report reeks of a psyops leak.

rickyricardo on April 5, 2011 at 8:37 PM

darwin-t on April 5, 2011 at 8:42 PM

let’s see the Gov’t spends $100 billion a day right?

If it’s shutdown for 160 days would we have no annual deficit then? :-)

Shut the peckerwood down already.

PappyD61 on April 5, 2011 at 8:47 PM

A shutdown will increase welfare turnout in ’12. Obama wins in a walkover.

darwin-t on April 5, 2011 at 8:31 PM

I think there will be other issues on the table by Nov 2012. This isn’t only about Wisconsin writ large. The Right is seething too.

Fortunata on April 5, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Despite the criticism of John B. on this thread, I am thankful that the public gets to judge us by him and the Democrats by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. WIN Big WIN

KW64 on April 5, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Boehner must be French.

Heckle on April 5, 2011 at 8:48 PM

I humbly offer my commercial for free to the GOP. Here it is.. just off the top of my head.

A giant government toilet with the hand of the government flushing and flushing and flushing billions and billions down the drain over and over and all the GOP wants to do is stop the hand form reaching that handle every 2 seconds!

Image… just the flush handle and the gov. hand holding the handle down with all the wonderful flushing sound effects and the narrative of the government wasting billions and billions a day… millions by the seconds…. and the GOP hand reaches over and grabs the wrist of the gov. hand and sets the handle free! Finally the flushing stops! Billions are saved!
“We’re not trying to shut the government down we are trying to prevent America from being shut down!”

Hey… I know. I’m a genius. At least I’ve got a freaking commercial!

JellyToast on April 5, 2011 at 8:49 PM

Cut or shut?

AshleyTKing on April 5, 2011 at 8:53 PM

Boehner must be French.

Heckle on April 5, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Not at all. He showers quite frequently.

Fortunata on April 5, 2011 at 8:56 PM

I certainly hope Boehner is playing “rope a dope” with Reid and Obama, because everything I’ve read says the Democrats are in trouble with a shut-down. Things have changed. One factor now, that wasn’t in play in 1995 and 1996 is the fact that the Republicans don’t control both the House and the Senate, like they did then. That means the Democrats not only have some responsibility, they also will have to share the blame. Share it they will because the Republicans are doing their job, submitting resolutions and budgets, only to have them not even brought to the floor for a vote by the Democrats. How sweet is that???

Sorry Dems, you’re looking at the old play book but that plays been sniffed out and it’s a sure loser, even with the press still in your hip-pocket.

bflat879 on April 5, 2011 at 8:57 PM

Boehner knows what will happen. I hate that he’s saying it, but I think we all know it’s the truth.

The reason why is the narrative the democrats will ask the media to portray. Remember last week when Schumer held a conference and was “over heard” telling democrats what to call Republicans? “Extremists!” That wasn’t by accident.

The media will portray the democrats as victims, creating sympathy for them from Americans and portray Republicans as the evil “Grinches” who are trying to starve baby’s and old folks.

Even though the democrats are wrong and dishonest, it doesn’t matter. They will work with a willing media to create an alternative narrative. That could be countered, if Republicans fought back in the media, but republicans always tend to take the “high road” with the “mr. nice guy” approach.

Imagine if republican leadership were as tough on democrats as they are on terrorists?

BruthaMan on April 5, 2011 at 9:01 PM

If he goes wobbly, the Tea Party might go 3rd party. Boehner needs to buck up.

huckleberryfriend on April 5, 2011 at 9:11 PM

That’s the warrior spirit! Go get ‘em, John!

rrpjr on April 5, 2011 at 9:12 PM

Allah,

Its a bit of all 3, and another, the dems are blustering bold brayings that a shutdown wil help them could be evidence of some serious nervousness on their part that the fires of reform maybe rekindled when the 88% tax increase and spending numbers get more play than pickup trucks with mounted machine guns on the 30 minute news cycles

This middle east unrest has taken the spotlight off of the dems – time to shine

EricPWJohnson on April 5, 2011 at 9:12 PM

I’d guess Option 2, with a twist: it’s also to set up a trap for Democrats. It’s true executive has an upper hand in a shutdown, but if he overplays his hand (e.g. appears too eager to shut the government down for political gain), even a divided legislature can come out on top.

novakyu on April 5, 2011 at 9:29 PM

This ain’t 1995.

Sekhmet on April 5, 2011 at 9:33 PM

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