Lindsey Graham on Koran-burning: “Free speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war”

posted at 4:00 pm on April 3, 2011 by Allahpundit

Skip ahead to 2:05, bearing in mind that this guy might have ended up as Attorney General under President McCain. A few minutes earlier, Harry Reid told Schieffer that Congress will “take a look” at Jones’s act and the ensuing “protests” in Afghanistan, so at a minimum there’ll probably be some sort of congressional resolution of disapproval. Maybe hearings too: Reid wouldn’t commit to that, but he didn’t rule it out. As for Graham, “I wish we could find some way to hold people accountable,” he laments, clearly deflated by the thought that the First Amendment applies even while we’re “at war.” And if you’re not sure what he means by “at war” — well, I’m not either. Are we “at war” only if troops are in the field? No Koran-burning, in other words, until the last U.S. serviceman has left Iraq and Afghanistan (and Libya)? Or are we “at war” as long as Al Qaeda and other anti-American jihadist movements exist, ready and willing to demagogue acts like Jones’s for their own uses? Even if all Islamist outfits in the world were eliminated, wouldn’t Graham want to continue the ban on Koran-burning lest it inspire new jihadist outfits to spring up? There’s no limiting principle to this idea, realistically. It’d end up being his own version of an “emergency law.”

Ironically, though, the more attention Congress devotes to this, the worse they’ll make it. If Reid and Graham were stupid enough to hold hearings (which they almost certainly aren’t), it’d be a galactic clusterfark — a spotlight for Jones, a red alert for civil libertarians, and an offense to a public that’s tired of double standards for religious insults. If nothing else good comes from this incident, though, it’s at least been useful as a window into the mindset of our trusted “ally” Hamid Karzai, who did his level best to earn brownie points with the fanatics among his constituents by demagoging this to the hilt. As voters get set for another debate this summer about whether we should draw down in Afghanistan, make sure that isn’t forgotten.


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What a bunch of hens we’ve elected.

betsyz on April 3, 2011 at 8:21 PM

But I fear redneck homophobes more than a Muslim.

JetBoy on April 3, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Well, that’s one of the dumbest things I’ve seen written in awhile.

What say you get plopped down with a sign on your back describing yourself as a practicing homosexual in the middle of a redneck town, versus the middle of any town in a Muslim-run country.

Where do you think you’re going to be more afraid for your well-being?

We all know the answer, no point in lying to try to save face.

Midas on April 3, 2011 at 8:26 PM

Yahweh, David Petraeus
Would never okay the way you do your thing
Ding ding ding, ding ding ding
And you’ll get yours, David Petraeus
Coddlin’ and sidin’ with that Islam stuff like you do
Boo hoo hoo, boo hoo hoo

Where have you gone, George S. Patton?
America turns its longing eyes to you
What’s that you say, David Petraeus?
You have banished ‘ol Blood and Guts far far away
Hey hey hey, hey hey hey

Coo coo ca-choo, David Petraeus
Mohammad appreciates you more than you will know
Woo woo woo, woo woo woo
You think Allah blesses you, yes, David Petraeus
And that he may grant mercy to those who humanity betray
Hey hey hey, hey hey hey

Cheshire Cat on April 3, 2011 at 8:27 PM

MadisonConservative on April 3, 2011 at 8:10 PM

Yes, we rednecks hang gays everyday!

ladyingray on April 3, 2011 at 8:27 PM

What a bunch of hens capons we they’ve elected.

betsyz on April 3, 2011 at 8:21 PM

FIFY

profitsbeard on April 3, 2011 at 8:27 PM

Graham: “I wish we could find some way to hold people accountable…”

Oh, the irony.

So do we, Senator Graham.

So do we.

Midas on April 3, 2011 at 8:30 PM

Graham seems like he is always saying the wrong thing. Wish he would get a primary challenge or retire. I expect this talk from the D party, which stands for Dhimini as well, not from the right.

koolbrease on April 3, 2011 at 8:30 PM

Charles Martel would use Lindsey Graham for a urinal.

Heckle on April 3, 2011 at 8:32 PM

George Patton would use Lindsey Graham as a spittoon.

Heckle on April 3, 2011 at 8:34 PM

Islam is using Lindsey Graham as a footbath.

profitsbeard on April 3, 2011 at 8:38 PM

God damn these elected m*******ckers, these a***oles who supposedly swore to uphold the Constitution, these would-be commissars and dictators. God damn them to burn in hell forever.

JimC on April 3, 2011 at 8:41 PM

It is truly nice to see that the members of the Religion of Peace, Lover, Tolerance, Mercy, Compassion, Patience, Wisdom, Kindness, Charity, Understanding, Respect, cute little puppies, adorable kittens, etc., are manifesting that Peace, Love, Tolerance, Understanding, and so forth, in their daily lives.

I’d hate to see what would happen if those folks behaved like violent, hate filled, rabid, demonic barbarians and started kidnapping people, assaulting people, torturing people, burning people, beheading people, dismembering people, blowing people up, shooting people, and so forth.

Based on their example, who would not wish to run out immediately and join up and become a member of their blood and death cult. After all, I’ve never seen so much Peace, Love, Tolerance, Mercy, Compassion, Kindness, Patience, Understanding, and so forth, anywhere, by anyone.

Mother Theresa, Mohandas Ghandi, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jesus the Christ, Gutama the Buddha, etc., are clearly the worst, most violent, scum of the earth people to ever life compared to the sweet, loving Muslims engaging world wide in their expression of sweet peace, love, understanding, etc.

Let our government officials continue to preach the message that Islam is the Reliion of Peace, Love, Tolerance, Mercy, Compassion, Understanding, and so forth, for we are such idiots for not realizing that!

William2006 on April 3, 2011 at 8:45 PM

The fact that Muslims are the biggest killers of Muslims around the world including civilians should get saturation coverage as even most Muslims seem to be unaware of this fact that shows Islam to be a murderous sick system. Muslims guilt non-Muslims over invented “Islamophobia” (it is not phobic to fear/despise a murderous group threatening you) but shouldn’t the actual killing of one’s co-religionists BY one’s co-religionists seize more of Muslims’ attention? This is like whining about an imaginary hangnail when your limbs are rotting with gangrene.

Why does any westerner take seriously Muslims who are “offended” by ice cream swirls and cartoons to the point of rioting but who are NOT offended by their fellow Muslims slaughtering hundreds of thousands of infidels (Darfur) nor even when Muslims target and kill Muslim civilians in the thousands? You have to be a brain dead lib or PC infected mushbrain (an intermediate stage of the illness) to miss the absurdity of the Muslim position and their unfitness to judge offense: “Hmmm” says the imam stroking his beard. “500,000 Sudanese slaughtered by Muslim militias….zzzzzzzzzz. Teddy bear named Mohammed – let the riots commence!”

Heckle on April 3, 2011 at 8:46 PM

VDH: “Kingdom of Lies”
http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/kingdom-of-lies/?singlepage=true

onlineanalyst on April 3, 2011 at 8:47 PM

I have never in my life had one ounce of empathy with a flag burner or Bible blower upper…until today. Graham is really off the deep end now….Can’t believe how my new found yearn to burn has been inspired by a Republican Senator from the south.

lynncgb on April 3, 2011 at 8:49 PM

God damn these elected m*******ckers, these a***oles who supposedly swore to uphold the Constitution, these would-be commissars and dictators. God damn them to burn in hell forever.

JimC on April 3, 2011 at 8:41 PM

Don’t mince words, JimC!

Please, tell us how you really feel and what you truly think!

We must give thanks to our fellow citzen voters who elected Lindsey Graham, Scott Brown from Massachussettes, Barak Hussein Obama, et al, into office, for they certainly choose a few great ones, didn’t they?

William2006 on April 3, 2011 at 8:52 PM

This is what the POS named Petraeus said, “We condemn, in particular, the action of an individual in the United States who recently burned the Holy Quran.”

So he basically let’s the actual muslim murderers off the hook. What a piece of human waste material. He is not fit to be a Private. He is not fit to be an American. He should spend the rest of his days in Leavenworth in a small cell with a Koran.

Heckle on April 3, 2011 at 9:09 PM

I wish the people of South carolina would hold this jackass accountable.

paulsur on April 3, 2011 at 9:13 PM

But I fear redneck homophobes more than a Muslim.

JetBoy on April 3, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Jiminy Crickets. You and the partner have just won an all expense paid vacation for a week in Biloxi, Mississippi & Al Bahah, Saudi Arabia, which destination would require alternations in your life style?

Cindy Munford on April 3, 2011 at 9:13 PM

VDH: “Kingdom of Lies”
http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/kingdom-of-lies/?singlepage=true

onlineanalyst on April 3, 2011 at 8:47 PM

Wow, powerful. Thanks for sharing.

mrsmwp on April 3, 2011 at 9:17 PM

Cindy Munford on April 3, 2011 at 9:13 PM

Ha! Touche!

mrsmwp on April 3, 2011 at 9:18 PM

Can we hide Lindsey Graham in a closet for 4 years. Sheesh , this guy kills us.

Hummer53 on April 3, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Cindy Munford on April 3, 2011 at 9:13 PM

He ran off. He knows he can’t defend that statement.

ladyingray on April 3, 2011 at 10:01 PM

ladyingray on April 3, 2011 at 10:01 PM

I came in pretty late in the game.

Cindy Munford on April 3, 2011 at 10:03 PM

Lindsey Graham exemplifies “fuzzy-headed thinking”. And yet he keeps getting reelected. Go Figure.

KendraWilder on April 3, 2011 at 10:04 PM

I don’t understand how these two defenders of the constitution couldn’t just condemn Mr. Jones and point out that he is one man in a nation of approximately 311 million people. People in D.C. have awfully itchy trigger fingers when it comes to suppressing rights.

Cindy Munford on April 3, 2011 at 10:21 PM

Free speech is a good idea, except when people are actually trying to kill us for exercising it? lol Don’t you think Lindsey if we’re in a war, giving in to your enemy’s demand means that you’ve surrendered and are losing, if not already lost the war?

Now is the time you should be defending free speech more forcefully than ever because it is under a very real threat of disappearing. Free speech is the cornerstone and safeguard of all our other freedoms. Once you lose it, the only way to make any change will be through violent means.

If civilized people cave in to the mob’s demands then your civilization will be destroyed. The goal of muslims is to shut us up so they can carry out their jihad against us unchallenged and we won’t be able to mount any defense, let alone understand what they’re doing and why.

Our government including both major parties have been infiltrated by radical muslims, namely the Muslim Brotherhood. Suhail Khan is running an influence operation in the Conservative Party. Frank Gaffney has covered this extensively. And of course we know it’s even worse in the Democrat Party because they’re even more gullible and moronic than the right.

So the words we’re hearing coming out of Lindsey’s mouth were probably put there by the Muslim Brotherhood operatives who convinced him, it’s a wise idea to cave more to Islamic bullying and intimidation, rather than stand up for western values and support Pastor Jone’s right to free speech (which includes book burning).

Nobody seems interested in knowing why Jones was burning the Quran in the first place. For a nutjob like Jones, his reasoning was surprisingly sound-he held a mock trial accusing the Quran for inciting hate against women and unbelievers and for causing so much violence, death and destruction in the world-rightly so. Another squandered opportunity for the MSM and people like Lindsey to learn something about the enemy we’re facing.

This is a global war between Civilization (secular democracy, modernity) and Barbarism (fascist totalitarian death cult). We need to understand they want to not just destroy us, but our way of live and all the values we hold and have the world living in the 7th century again like they do in Islamic countries. Allen West nails it.

Fitna on April 3, 2011 at 10:43 PM

Why?
Once again, Why?

Why condemn anyone for burning anything in a symbolic act?
Unless someone miss understand me, let me make clear; I completely support the Pastor’s right to burn the koran anytime he sees fit, and further, where were all these Punks including Obama, when those apes issued a death sentence to Salman Rushdie or when they posted a video of BEHEADING someone.
People, we have got to come back to reality.
That Bozo has got to go and we need to become Men and Women again, not world citizen punks.

Observation on April 3, 2011 at 10:51 PM

I understand the prudential argument here but if ideas are a part of warfare nowadays, and they are, I say give the savages no quarter, comfort or accommodation. If our values are under violent attack -even if precipitated by a regrettable, buffoonish Jones-like parody -it’s time to respond to such assaults and offensives harshly, not with accommodation, weakness and pussyfooting. If this means leaving Afghanistan and Pakistan to their own devices with the understanding that any misbehavior from such quarters will be dealt with in an extremely violent, devastating, terminal and indiscriminate matter, so be it. The argument for colonialism has never been made more forcefully than by the behavior of these para-humans. But who would want to have anything to do with these despicable people?

Mason on April 3, 2011 at 10:53 PM

Graham is absolutely right to call for limitations of free speech just like they did back in WWII. I’m mean Hollywood was careful not to make any movies where American were anywhere derogatory to the Axis regimes and people. Even the cartoon industry took special care not to inflame our enemies using art that would upset them. And, of course, our military commanders came down real hard on any soldier that used objectionable words like “fish heads or Japs” and “Krauts”, &c.

NOT!

Graham continues to present himself as a fool and I’m beginning to think that Gen. Patreaus is beginning to sound a little weak-kneed for not recognizing that we are fighting these war to defend our freedoms.

Disappointing.

Sailfish on April 3, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Sooooo……

Lindsey Graham, stealth Leftist, sees a problem with “freedom of speech” when the speech is against Islam extremism, illegal aliens, government overreach, or Paganism (aka ‘environmentalism’)…..but sees absolutely no problem in speaking against Christians, Conservatives of any color or creed, Tea Party members, Jews, Mormons, our military, or the USA in general (including flag burning).

Sounds to me like Lindsey actually wants “prohibition of ‘non-approved’ speech!!

Lindsey Graham is precisely the kind of anti-constitution Washington Insider we need to purge from Congress at the earliest opportunity.

landlines on April 3, 2011 at 11:18 PM

Observation on April 3, 2011 at 10:51 PM

Agreed, 2012 couldn’t come soon enough.

Fitna on April 3, 2011 at 11:23 PM

PLEASE ISLAM, DON’T HURT US!- Obama, Petraeus and Graham, oh my.

profitsbeard on April 3, 2011 at 11:38 PM

Lindsey Graham is a total RINO. Suggesting a restriction on the first amendment??

You are to UPHOLD and DEFEND the Constitution, you daft twit. Not be wanting to take things out of it.

David Block on April 3, 2011 at 11:39 PM

I hope Grahmnesty remembers his own words

“I wish we could find some way to hold people accountable,”

when he stands for re-election…

Gohawgs on April 4, 2011 at 12:04 AM

This might cut into Lindsey’s future appearances with Hannity.
Prob’ly not, though.

least1 on April 4, 2011 at 12:05 AM

Just because we are obliged to protect Mr Whatever’s right to free speech does not mean we have to defend what he did. What he did was counterproductive to what we are trying to accomplish anywhere in the Near East. He is a recruiting tool for Al Queda even if the act does not warrant it. That is the truth.

lexhamfox on April 4, 2011 at 12:17 AM

What’s missing from this discussion is how this sort of gross abuse of common free speech decency doesn’t happen if it os paired with ‘right to bear arms’.

Just how many abused and/or dead innocents are required before this common sense solution (that doesn’t include US military and taxpayers extricating the abused from abusers) gets some notice? Just how long would radical sexist religious philosophies last if everyone in every house could arm themselves against abuse?

drfredc on April 4, 2011 at 12:34 AM

Note to Lindsey Graham: SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!!!!!!!!! Graham is such a worthless sack of crap and his opinion should be treated as such. This excuse of a person called every legal US citizen a racist because they wanted the law of the land to be upheld concerning the criminal aliens. There are other Republicrat and Demmican TICKS in Congress that need their pink slips handed to them next election cycle. The TICKS don’t care that they are killing this Constitutional Republic with their reckless spending of our hard earned money. Soon the old joke about the IRS being a terrorist and organized crime organization will be discovered as being true.

Furthermore I’m sure that there are plenty of members on this forum that would buy Graham a one-way ticket to Tehran and tell him to not let the door hit him where the Good Lord split him

hamradio on April 4, 2011 at 1:04 AM

I am sure some one posted this already but damn.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Why in the hell do people keep re-electing douche bags like him, He cant do his JOB yet they rehire/elect him again and again.

I fear for my nation and the trials that may come.

ColdWarrior57 on April 4, 2011 at 1:25 AM

Two things:

1) Did anyone ever think that perhaps Muslim violence around the world set off a Qur’an burning & not the other way around?

2) http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2011/04/muslims-and-moral-handicaps.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Connie on April 4, 2011 at 1:29 AM

The larger point is that people are accepting that Muslim violence is inevitable and that because of that, they must be appeased and cajoled. It’s time to make a stand and say we will no longer accept that they have no recourse but to submit to the violence called for in the Qur’an. It’s time to demand accountability.

Connie on April 4, 2011 at 1:31 AM

JetBoy on April 3, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Really? If so, put your money where your big fat mouth is and go move to Tehran and open up a gay night club. Be sure to have the webcams rolling when the religious police bust in and drag you off screaming to die. I’m sure all the rednecks that you’re running from here will learn a lesson from your example.

If you honestly believe that you are truly a fracking idiot. Wait a minute. You’re a die hard McCain voter; I already knew that. Never mind.

austinnelly on April 4, 2011 at 1:55 AM

On the plus side, hopefully this video is all the tea party will need to primary Graham out, but that’s still a ways out.

And as for General Patreaus, with an attitude like his it’s no wonder that Afghanistan is still crawling with terrorist mosques like the ones that massacred the UN people.

FloatingRock on April 4, 2011 at 2:06 AM

What he did was counterproductive to what we are trying to accomplish anywhere in the Near East. He is a recruiting tool for Al Queda even if the act does not warrant it. That is the truth.

lexhamfox on April 4, 2011 at 12:17 AM

Really? And just what can a committee of empty headed Muslim ball sucking retards hope to accomplish in the middle east?

BL@KBIRD on April 4, 2011 at 2:13 AM

The only thing worse than this little POS half wit preacher in Florida is the Radical Terrorists who are able to use the little Florida turd as an excuse to kill and maim…Oh no thats right. Its people like Patreaus, Grahm and all of the Main Stream Media that I have been hearing who have been talking about how the Koran burning has “caused” the killing. No you F***ing idiots the killing was happening already. It is just another excuse to just kill your kids some more. Get it now idiots!!!

oped01 on April 4, 2011 at 2:43 AM

Connie

good one.

Observation on April 4, 2011 at 2:53 AM

General Petraues, a man so low that all other lots he should envy, absolves the Koran and Muslims for the brutal murders in Afghanistan and, de facto, blames America and it’s Constitution. Ghosts of Founding Fathers reportedly not amused and asking each other, “Why did we even bother?”

Heckle on April 4, 2011 at 3:47 AM

General Petraues, a man so low that all other lots he should envy, absolves the Koran and Muslims for the brutal murders in Afghanistan and, de facto, blames America and it’s Constitution. Ghosts of Founding Fathers reportedly not amused and asking each other, “Why did we even bother?”

Heckle on April 4, 2011 at 3:47 AM

This is not true. Patraeus did not absolve anyone of anything. He is just a man with a job to do and he does not want the enemy benefiting from any propaganda. It just complicates his mission.

I think Jones had the legal right to do what he did, just like Phelps had the legal right to do what he did when he protested at military funerals, but they are both a**holes who don’t care about anyone else.

Thousands of Afghanis have died at the hands of the Taliban. Young girls risk their lives just to go to school in that country. We should not hold the whole country responsible for the actions of a mob. If Jones can not be blamed for the deaths because he did not actually commit the crimes himself then the same should be said for all the millions of Afghans and Muslims who had nothing to do with this.

I know that people think the Afghanis should stand up to the bad guys and often times they do and often times they die. But it is easy for us to say that..here in this country in our inner cities crimes are committed every day in full view of witnesses and yet often as not people are too afraid to come forward and give testimony. If we can not make people feel safe here with all our resources, imagine how much more difficult it would be for civilians over there.

Besides, now Karzai’s brother is trying to say this was not about the Koran…however, that might be because Karzai himself helped create the situation by shooting his mouth off. So who knows what the truth really is?

Terrye on April 4, 2011 at 6:43 AM

Are the voters in Nevada and South Carolina that dumb that they keep electing these two?

I wish we could hold the voters in those two states Accountable. Maybe we could hold Congressional Hearings? Bring voters in front of the ……

…..shoot, never happen I guess (since were at Kinetic Military Action and all.

PappyD61 on April 4, 2011 at 6:46 AM

They should not interfere with the freedom of speech, but Jones is still an idiot, just like Phelps.

It is too bad that innocent people had to die over something so ridiculous as this. It really is..and of course Jones was aware that something like that might happen, but he had a point to prove and if someone died…well that was just the breaks.

I think it is wrong to accuse Jones of murder however, and I also think it is wrong to blame every Afghan and every Muslim for the actions of a mob of people just looking for a reason to kill people.

In the end Jones and the Taliban are satisfied..that tells us a lot about the character of those people.

Terrye on April 4, 2011 at 6:51 AM

Just remember that South Carolina is the state that nominated Alvin Greene as their Democrat candidate for Senate last year! Glad I live in NC and I HATE it when something moronic that happens in SC gets attributed to my state.

ConservativeMom on April 4, 2011 at 7:16 AM

This guy needs to go. Period.

C’Mon SC, get it together. Fire him.

Saltysam on April 4, 2011 at 8:15 AM

So while this religion advocates murder, lying to the infidel and barbarit of all stripes we must quietly respect their freedom to pursue our deaths

clnurnberg on April 4, 2011 at 8:17 AM

The beltway accused Palin of murder for the actions of a nut, now they are holding some preacher responsible for the actions of angry barbarians.

If they want to hold anybody responsible it should be the flame fanner Karzai and the mullahs who stirred the pot. They deliberately incited this violence while our idiot politcians lambaste free speech!

clnurnberg on April 4, 2011 at 8:20 AM

But I fear redneck homophobes more than a Muslim.

JetBoy on April 3, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Weapons grade stupidity.

james23 on April 4, 2011 at 8:32 AM

I guess this means we won’t have to read any more of those brainless “Petraeus 2012″ posts in HA Comments.

james23 on April 4, 2011 at 8:35 AM

ConservativeMom on April 4, 2011 at 7:16 AM

+100 from Greensboro

mankai on April 4, 2011 at 8:41 AM

VDH: “Kingdom of Lies”
http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/kingdom-of-lies/?singlepage=true

onlineanalyst on April 3, 2011 at 8:47 PM

A historian of classical Greece, when VDH despairs then you know we are in big trouble.

WordsMatter on April 4, 2011 at 8:46 AM

Pathetic.

Murf76 on April 4, 2011 at 8:51 AM

Weapons grade stupidity.

james23 on April 4, 2011 at 8:32 AM

Apparently a lot of people didn’t get that I’m talking about HERE in the US! Cripes.

And MadCon…where did I play the “victim card”?

JetBoy on April 4, 2011 at 8:54 AM

“I wish we could find some way to hold people accountable.”

We do Senator, every six years in November.

juanito on April 4, 2011 at 9:03 AM

Laura Ingraham, put your credibility where your mouth is, make your move and run against Lindsey Graham.

maverick muse on April 4, 2011 at 9:08 AM

Burn a Bible and see what happens.
Burn the Book of Mormon and see what happens.
Blame the Islamic fascists for once will you?

Hard Right on April 4, 2011 at 9:08 AM

Liberals are really, REALLY pathetic. It is dangerous there and has been and isn’t going to stop being dangerous there…EVER! Burn the Koran…don’t burn the Koran, it doesn’t matter! They hate us and will continue to hate us because of the fact that we can do things like burn the Koran or the Bible or any other religious artifact in the name of free speech. Until all people are either Muslim, a slave to Muslim or dead they will hate. That is it. Period. In that region, if you aren’t extreme Muslim or go along with them you they have no bones about killing you.

TturnP on April 4, 2011 at 9:15 AM

But I fear redneck homophobes more than a Muslim.

JetBoy on April 3, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Jetboy is refusing to think about the big picture of global politics. His apathy about the suffering of gays in Muslim lands is simply appalling. His anti-white racism is just vile, it’s wrong. The skin color of the people most likely to commit homophobic violence in America is not white. Yes, evil people do exist among impoverished white people. Some have done horrible evil to gays. But the percentage of whites who have been in prisons and thus internalized homophobic violence as acceptable is less than the percentage of blacks. Perhaps this something about how we manage prisons. I don’t know.

thuja on April 4, 2011 at 9:15 AM

That is a dumb argument By Lindsey Grahamnesty. We have been at war with Muslims since the Brabary wars and Jefferson stood up to them.

Too many Muslims just sit there waiting to hear that someone did something somewhere in the world giving them the opportunity to get riled up and go on a killing frenzy.

jeffn21 on April 4, 2011 at 9:28 AM

If you have the time it might be helpful to drop a dime on both Senators Graham and Reid.

Cindy Munford on April 4, 2011 at 9:30 AM

npr?! COFFEE

maverick muse on April 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM

Man, our “friends” over there sure are a blood-thirsty bunch. Who is the “enemy” again?

littleguy on April 4, 2011 at 9:36 AM

don’t defend israel, don’t wear short skirts, don’t date non-muslims if you’re a muslim woman, don’t get raped if you are a muslim woman, don’t draw mohammed, don’t joke about mohammed, don’t think about burning a koran, don’t say you plan on burning a koran, don’t burn a koran, don’t remove an evil dictator, don’t be an aid worker in a muslim country, don’t be a jouranlist in a muslim country, don’t be christian in a muslim country, don’t be gay, don’t hang crosses in catholic italian schools, don’t ban religious symbols from schools, don’t enforce dress codes in private schools, don’t build community pools and not close down for all muslim women day, don’t protest building a mosque on ground zero, don’t go to a muslim country and not wear a head scarf, don’t admit you get paranoid when you see muslims and you are boarding an airplane…

anything else?

“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both” ~ Ben Franklin

sarainitaly on April 4, 2011 at 9:38 AM

It’s inconceivable that one man can be capable of being brilliant one moment – and a complete freaking moron the next.

jake-the-goose on April 4, 2011 at 9:39 AM

“don’t protest the ground zero mosque, muslims will get mad!” (despite it being perfectly ok for groups like the Westboro idiots to protest military funerals) “don’t draw mohammed, muslims will get mad!” (even though it’s perfectly acceptable to trash any other religion) “don’t burn the koran” (even though it’s perfectly acceptable to burn a bible)

the difference? non-muslims aren’t killing anyone when that happens. they are giving up our rights to terrorist bullies who are threatening violence.

Terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence to intimidate or coerce societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

http://www.history.com/videos/reagan-dont-negotiate-with-terrorists#reagan-dont-negotiate-with-terrorists

we don’t negotiate with terrorists wrt kidnappings, because it only opens the door for more kidnappings. so, why do we give in to terrorists wrt our civil liberties?

sarainitaly on April 4, 2011 at 9:39 AM

But a crucifix in urine is okay?

steveracer on April 4, 2011 at 9:41 AM

First.

It’s in my union contract.

Bishop on April 4, 2011 at 9:46 AM

Hay Lindsey, we are at war with violent islam.

Slowburn on April 4, 2011 at 9:48 AM

I think it is time for all of us to privately burn a Koran in protest.

JohnnyL on April 4, 2011 at 9:58 AM

I think Jones had the legal right to do what he did, just like Phelps had the legal right to do what he did when he protested at military funerals, but they are both a**holes who don’t care about anyone else.

No, Phelps protesting whatever he’s protesting at millitary funerals is provocative in the way Jones would be if he burned Korans outside a radical mosque in Afganistan. Funny how Jones’ detractors dare him to “go over there” and lite up a Koran and put his life on the line, which would be indefensably provocative.

Or, Jones’ burning a Koran in Florida is like Phelps protesting whatever he’s protesting from his home church. But we know if Phelps stayed home we wouldn’t even know who he is, much less care about his stupid crusade, which, one day, will get somebody hurt if he presses long enough.

Thus, your logic is abysmal. Stop trying to make Jones out to be equal to the murderers in Afghanistan or the Phelps nuts when it comes to valuing human life. Jones seems to want to warn us of the real danger to our liberties, especially those of Christians, should America become more Islamic like the trend in Europe. Chritianity, to an extent, has its hands tied by court rulings over the years, and is not a free as even our forefathers practiced it 230 years ago. You can hand out flyers at school but not bibles, for instance, yet both are first ammendment guarantees. Looking at Islam’s track record, such rules will not apply to the Koran once politicians fear reprisal from fanatical Islamists. So just wait until not only are Christmas Pageants banned but Islamic studies becomes required curriculum.

America must stand firm in insisting that those who come here accept freedom, not require Americans to conform to their sense of morality and decency. Especially when a cursory review of their holy book finds morality lacking, and a more strident study leads people to murder for it.

shuzilla on April 4, 2011 at 10:31 AM

The ‘Gramnesty’ call sign is appropriate.

TimBuk3 on April 4, 2011 at 11:01 AM

April 3, 2011
GEN DAVID PETRAEUS, COMMANDER, U.S. FORCES AFGHANISTAN ISAF: We condemn the action of an individual in the United States who burned a holy Koran. That action was hateful. It was intolerant, and it was extremely disrespectful. And again, we condemn it in the strongest manner possible.

It wasn’t hateful, it was mildly intolerant, and it was disrespectful. Petraeus is speaking from the extreme Muslim point of view. I wish someone would speak from the American point of view. That we have freedom of speech here, and people can say whatever they’d like, or burn whatever book they’d like. Most Afghanis probably don’t know that. They’re probably just as mad at the US govt for not stopping it. The govt CAN’T stop it, because of the Constitution. If the Afghanis want to burn a copy of the Constitution, then go ahead. We are a freer and more enlightened people. Yes I know some Muslims get upset when someone burns the Koran. But understand in the US we have freedoms which will never be taken away unless the Constitution is take away. I wish someone would just tell it like it is.

Paul-Cincy on April 4, 2011 at 11:09 AM

So if someone burns a Bible, I get to go kill people and it’s not my fault? What a country!

Hard Right on April 4, 2011 at 11:22 AM

So wingnut hawks, how many more billions do you want to send to Afghanistan? (by which of course I mean Karzais bank account). We need to pull the plug on this afghan bullsh*t. We pay them, train them, arm them, and they kill us. We prop up their leadership, claiming to do it to frustrate the Islamist while failing to recognize most afghan men are religious fanatics.

snoopicus on April 4, 2011 at 11:23 AM

People should definitely be held accountable over this incident. How about holding Muslims accountable for their aggressively intolerant and reactionary beliefs?

kd6rxl on April 4, 2011 at 11:27 AM

Came on here and saw JetBoy spilled his crap again. For an alleged conservative, he sure acts like a lefty.

Anyway,
1) I think we can all agree gays are treated very poorly in Muslims countries, but if the question is about gays being persecuted in the US, let’s remember that Muslims fathers in the US have killed their daughters for being dishonorable. I wonder how their gays sons would fare.
2) Oh… there’s more. JetBoy, ever hear of Google? http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Persecution_of_Homosexuals_%28United_States%29

Muslim illegal immigrants attack gay Georgetown medical students in Washington, saying if the victims were in their country, they’d be stoned

Muslims in Minnesota: “We hate gays” Somali Muslim youths shout abuse and throw rocks at a gay man

Muslim at Islam on Capitol Hill prayer event: “Homosexuals must be killed”

Ground zero mosque organizers complain that a planned gay bar next to the mega-mosque is insensitive

3) The truth is that many Muslims hate gays … well, unless they’re gay men that molest boys in Afghanistan.
4) As a Christian, I do not condone homosexual acts, but the Western (Judeo-Christian world full of their rednecks) has become so tolerant, we even have openly gay ministers (with a partner to boot!) in certain denominations. Are there any gay Muslims clerics? Maybe JetBoy can use Google, but the above link might help.

MeatHeadinCA on April 4, 2011 at 11:52 AM

^Oh, and from all the b*tching I hear from gays about the persecution they must endure in (get this!) Republican states, they sure don’t have a lot of evidence to back up just how horrible their lives are and they sure LOVE getting the goodies…

Just saying…

MeatHeadinCA on April 4, 2011 at 11:55 AM

What a swishy tool. I get irritated every time he opens his yapper and proves how useless his brand of republicans are. Come on South Carolina. Do the party a solid and oust this idiot.

AttilaTheHun on April 4, 2011 at 12:07 PM

And MadCon…where did I play the “victim card”?

JetBoy on April 4, 2011 at 8:54 AM

The instant you played the “I have more to fear as a gay man at home because of Matthew Shepard 15 years ago(prosecuted by the federal government), than I have to fear from Muslim fundamentalism that exterminates homosexuals every damned day throughout the world.”

That attitude is no different in ignorance and myopia than those who talk about how bad women have it here, or minorities, or atheists, or any of the other victim groups who take for granted the freedom and protection that the culture and society of the United States has granted them that few or no other countries in the world would grant them. Grow up. I like you, but every now and then, just like The Race Card used to, when the topic comes up, you turn into UltraVictim, talking about how bad you have it, and how really America is either no better than what we’re discussing, or is somehow worse.

MadisonConservative on April 4, 2011 at 12:56 PM

Burning the United States flag? Fine! Burning a holy bible? Fine! Woe to me if a Koran is burned? Woe to me if a bunch of average Muslims take to the streets IN THEIR COUNTRY and kill a bunch of innocents. What others do in their own country should, of course based on SCJ Breyer, have some kind of precedent in THIS country that we should DISCUSS changing the fundamentals of the Bill of Rights of the Constitution of the United States. International law, per Leftists, should ALWAYS override our own laws. Sad fact is that some of our so-called “Republicans” agree with it and like promoting these theories. Makes you wonder whose on your team and why they are there at all.

Sultry Beauty on April 4, 2011 at 2:16 PM

@sarahinitaly

“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both” ~ Ben Franklin

That’s a derivative quote. What Ben franklin actually wrote and quoted in 1775 was:

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

Close, but a tad stronger, IMO.

Aardvark on April 4, 2011 at 4:42 PM

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