Koran-burning pastor says murders of UN staff aren’t his fault

posted at 10:15 am on April 2, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Terry Jones burned a Koran, and an Afghan mob killed at least seven UN personnel.  Connected?  Surely, but that hardly makes Jones responsible for murder, he told ABC News in a Nightline interview last night:

Terry Jones, the Florida pastor who oversaw the burning of a Koran last month, said he did not feel responsible for the violent protest at a United Nations compound in Afghanistan today that left at least 11 dead. Instead, he said the violence proved his point.

“We wanted to raise awareness of this dangerous religion and dangerous element,” Jones said. “I think [today's attack] proves that there is a radical element of Islam.”

As for the 11 dead, which included seven U.N. staffers and guards, Jones told “Nightline” anchor Bill Weir, “We do not feel responsible, no.”

Interestingly, I had a conversation about this with a family member yesterday. While I agreed that Jones was a publicity hound looking for attention, that doesn’t make him responsible for murder. The only people responsible for murders are those who commit them, and those who specifically incite them to kill.  Any other position eventually wipes out free speech, free religious practice, and freedom altogether.  If we held others responsible for the acts of every nutcase whose violent reactions may or may not have connections to something they did or said, we would have no speech at all — a point we made repeatedly during the Left’s Loughner frenzy, which they conveniently forgot during the Madison protests.

James Joyner warns today about acknowledging the “murderer’s veto”:

Should Jones have burned the Koran? No. But not because doing so might incite some evil people halfway around the world to commit atrocities against innocents. Rather, he shouldn’t have done it was needlessly hurtful without adding any value to the debate. Indeed, aside from generating publicity for himself, he’s likely generated sympathy for Islam and disdain for churches of his ilk.

But Jones is not the slightest bit culpable for the actions of others. Yes, he was warned that violence might ensue. But we’re not responsible for the evil, illegal actions others might take in response to our freely expressing our thoughts. Even if they’re ill-informed, half baked, bigoted thoughts. If we allow the possible reaction of the most dogmatic, evil people who might hear the message to govern our expression, we don’t have freedom at all. It’s worse than a heckler’s veto; it’s a murderer’s veto.

The responsibility for these murders lie with the people who committed them, just as with the murders and violence following the publication of the editorial cartoons in Denmark a few years ago.


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While Jones is somewhat of a nutcase, he isn’t responsible for what these Islamic savages did.

OmahaConservative on April 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM

He’s right, revolting a fellow as he is. The fault lies with that hate filled book and the simple minded, easily manipulated violence that follows it everywhere.

tree hugging sister on April 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM

True – that’s Islam’s fault. But he’s still a sh1t head.

abobo on April 2, 2011 at 10:21 AM

Terry Jones is a small time cult leader.

exdeadhead on April 2, 2011 at 10:21 AM

Jones is arguably a fool and a knave.

Foolishness and knavery are not morally equivalent to bloody murder.

novaculus on April 2, 2011 at 10:22 AM

The religion of peace, huh?

Roy Rogers on April 2, 2011 at 10:22 AM

Jones is the only one with enough COURAGE to call a spade a spade.
He is forcing the debate.

katy on April 2, 2011 at 10:22 AM

He’s right. The free floating Muslim anger just would have found another excuse to riot and to kill. Abusive people don’t abuse in response to what you do. They use what you do as pretext for abuse.

thuja on April 2, 2011 at 10:22 AM

And the psycho Muhammadans are big-time cult members.

The Cult of Death.

catmman on April 2, 2011 at 10:23 AM

I blame the murderers.

perroviejo on April 2, 2011 at 10:23 AM

Someone needs to stop islam before they murder us all.

Roy Rogers on April 2, 2011 at 10:24 AM

Revised: I blame the murderers AND the media who should have ignored Terry Jones.

perroviejo on April 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

I was being subject to CNN yesterday, and I heard that Jones “executed” a Koran. Is that term being suppressed?

ParisParamus on April 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

To say he is wrong to burn the Koran is to say you approve killing people for book burning. Burn a Bible and see how many people go on a mob killing spree.

Herb on April 2, 2011 at 10:26 AM

Do they punish heretics because they know there’s no Allah to do it for them? It seems like they don’t really believe he exists.

RBMN on April 2, 2011 at 10:27 AM

Is there an English online-translation of the koran?

OmahaConservative on April 2, 2011 at 10:28 AM

Jones is no more responsible than the media that gave him the publicity. I totally agree that the people that committed the murders bear sole responsibility, but it would’ve been classic if Jones had asked Weir if ABC felt responsible as well.

cartooner on April 2, 2011 at 10:28 AM

Jones is the only one with enough COURAGE to call a spade a spade.
He is forcing the debate.

katy on April 2, 2011 at 10:22 AM

Forcing the debate? Consider this possibility: Jones does it again. This time he burns a dozen Korans. Others follow suit, and Koran burning protests spread around the globe.

What do you think would happen? In the bloody aftermath, would the politically correct multicultural morally equating liberal “elite” be forced to recognize a moral distinction between those who protest by burning books and those who retaliate by setting the world afire with bloody slaughter and multiple murders of innocents?

novaculus on April 2, 2011 at 10:29 AM

I’d be careful making such arguments. Jones is the only one with “courage?” No, Jones doesn’t have “courage,” he’s a despicable bigot and a religious extremist himself. Terry Jones is as culpable for these murders as those who committed them; deliberate incitement to murder is culpability to the resulting murder.

There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between Jones and those who beheaded the UN workers in Afghanistan.

mountainaires on April 2, 2011 at 10:31 AM

The OK City Bombing wasn’t the Government’s fault – even thought McViegh was pissed about Ruby Ridge and Waco.

If a Tea Party guy saw a flag burning and started shooting liberals – we wouldn’t blame the liberals for burning the flag.

And Terry Jones is not responsible for these murders. I hope he burns more Korans. Let’s ALL burn Korans.

HondaV65 on April 2, 2011 at 10:31 AM

The U.N. needs to get more involved here, perhaps commit some U.S. assets in the face of a humanitarian crisis, like this:

AlJazeera:

9:58am Al Jazeera’s correspondent reports that 13 Libyan rebels were killed and seven others were injured when NATO aircraft bombed four cars of rebels west of the city of Ajdabiya. The Libyan government says the air strikes killed six people and wounded 12 others.

.

Timestamp:
9:30am Al Jazeera’s Laurence Lee, reporting from Benghazi, says his team was told that Gaddafi’s forces have stopped using tanks, because they can be easily spotted by NATO airplanes.

Instead they are using pick-up trucks with mortars on the back which look a lot more like the rebel forces.

Both sides now are basically mired in this stretch about 200km wide on the southeast tip of the Gulf of Sirt and that situation – it seems increasingly – can’t change [...] So they have – despite all the bluster and the bravado – to find some sort of accommodation [...] Something’s got to give.

.

a capella on April 2, 2011 at 10:31 AM

I blame political correctness.
A man with the balls to do what many in our mighty country cannot even whisper.

maynila on April 2, 2011 at 10:32 AM

Is Korans green fuel?..

the_nile on April 2, 2011 at 10:32 AM

This debate is getting so old it makes your hair hurt.

sheriff246 on April 2, 2011 at 10:32 AM

But Jones is not the slightest bit culpable for the actions of others

I disagree.
Let me illustrate:
Say some psycho was holding your 5 yr old daughter hostage in a shack with a gun to her head, & you start prying open the door with a gun in your hand, rather than wait for authorities or negotiate. If he kills her, he’s legally responsible, but you forced his hand. You would be culpable to a certain extent.
Jones was aware that there could be increased danger to innocent people because of his actions.
He’s a loser who is partly to blame for those deaths.

itsnotaboutme on April 2, 2011 at 10:35 AM

Its a book. Just a book. Paper and ink and one of millions.

So the burning of that book became nothing more than an excuse to conduct violent and murderous acts. Those who conducted those acts are the ones looking for attention. Jones is just a simpleton.

BKeyser on April 2, 2011 at 10:36 AM

Ch. 10: Jonah:
SECTION 2: Punishment of Rejection
11 And if Allåh were to hasten for
men the (consequences of) evil, as
they would hasten on the good, their
doom would certainly have been
decreed for them. But We leave those
alone, who have no hope of meeting
with Us, in their inordinacy, blindly
wandering on.a
12 And when affliction touches a
man, he calls on Us, whether lying
on his side or sitting or standing; but,
when We remove his affliction from
him, he passes on as though he had
never called on Us on account of an
affliction that touched him. Thus is
what they do, made fair-seeming to
the extravagant.
13 And certainly We destroyed
generations before you when they did
wrong, and their messengers came to
them with clear arguments, yet they
would not believe. Thus do We
recompense the guilty people.
14 Then We made you rulers in the
land after them, so that We might see
how you act.
15 And when Our clear messages
are recited to them, those who have no
hope of meeting with Us say: Bring a
Qur’ån other than this or change it.a
Say: It is not for me to change it of
my own accord. I follow naught but
what is revealed to me. Indeed I fear,
if I disobey my Lord, the chastisement
of a grievous day.b
16 Say: If Allåh had desired, I would
not have recited it to you, nor would
He have made it known to you. I have
lived among you a lifetime before it.
Do you not then understand?a
17 Who is then more unjust than he
who forges a lie against Allåh or
gives the lie to His messages? Surely
the guilty never succeed.
18 And they serve besides Allåh
that which can neither harm them nor
profit them, and they say: These are
our intercessors with Allåh. Say:
Would you inform Allåh of what He
knows not in the heavens and the
earth? Glory be to Him, and supremely
exalted is He above what they set
up (with Him)!
19 And (all) people are but a single
nation, then they disagree. And had
not a word already gone forth from
thy Lord, the matter would have certainly
been decided between them in
respect of that wherein they disagree.a
20 And they say: Why is not a sign
sent to him from his Lord? Say: The
unseen is only for Allåh, so wait; surely
I too with you am of those who
wait.a

OmahaConservative on April 2, 2011 at 10:36 AM

It’s understandable really,“They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” So don’t be so hard on the Afghans.

cartooner on April 2, 2011 at 10:36 AM

He is forcing the debate.

katy on April 2, 2011 at 10:22 AM

Christians purport to follow Christ. Much of Christ’s ministry was dedicated to revealing Jewish clergy hypocrisy (not that their hypocrisy was/is worse than other clergy hypocrisy), for which he became hated and killed. Terry Jones needs to visit Kandahar, burn his book there. Doing so in his driveway, cowardly.

exdeadhead on April 2, 2011 at 10:39 AM

There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between Jones and those who beheaded the UN workers in Afghanistan.

mountainaires on April 2, 2011 at 10:31 AM

If a Muslim were to burn some Bibles, would Christians go out and kill Muslims in retaliation? NO.

kingsjester on April 2, 2011 at 10:39 AM

Muslim problem? What Muslim problem?

The obvious solution to stopping the beheadings and bombings and shootings and such is to quit pi**ing them off right?

If we’d simply become muslims this violence wouldn’t exist, right?

/sarc

Tim Zank on April 2, 2011 at 10:39 AM

There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between Jones and those who beheaded the UN workers in Afghanistan.

mountainaires on April 2, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Except that he hasn’t stormed any UN or any other organizations buildings and murdered anyone.

Except for that. A triviality for some, I know…

catmman on April 2, 2011 at 10:41 AM

Clearly the world should be run by mobs of apes chanting death to those who don’t want peace.

Observation on April 2, 2011 at 10:41 AM

If muslims really want to get back at christians, they should burn a bible. Then watch as christians riot and kill over it.

Oh, wait…

ZenDraken on April 2, 2011 at 10:41 AM

mountainaires on April 2, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Question answered. As I suspected, the answer is “no”.

novaculus on April 2, 2011 at 10:42 AM

itsnotaboutme on April 2, 2011 at 10:35 AM

What DOESN’T piss off these lunatics?

BTW, Foxnews just reported these wackjobs are now tearing up Khandahar over this.

BallisticBob on April 2, 2011 at 10:42 AM

Terry Jones needs to visit Kandahar, burn his book there. Doing so in his driveway, cowardly.

exdeadhead on April 2, 2011 at 10:39 AM

Seems reasonable. It would certainly put a stop to a repeat performance.

a capella on April 2, 2011 at 10:43 AM

Pro baseball’s getting old and tired. How about Koran-burning as our new national pastime?

Bugler on April 2, 2011 at 10:44 AM

exdeadhead on April 2, 2011 at 10:39 AM

Yah…good argument bud.

Where he does his ‘instigating’ has nothing to do with the issue he is challenging.

He’s calling them out from across the sea…so what. he’s opening up a centuries old debate that needs to be confronted. They killed Theo Van gough and he didn’t have to go to Kandahar…

Get back on topic.

katy on April 2, 2011 at 10:44 AM

What do you think would happen? In the bloody aftermath, would the politically correct multicultural morally equating liberal “elite” be forced to recognize a moral distinction between those who protest by burning books and those who retaliate by setting the world afire with bloody slaughter and multiple murders of innocents?

novaculus on April 2, 2011 at 10:29 AM

Yes.

katy on April 2, 2011 at 10:48 AM

Is there an English online-translation of the koran?

OmahaConservative on April 2, 2011 at 10:28 AM

http://quran.com/ is a Muslim site which is recommended by Robert Spenser of jihadwatch.org.

thuja on April 2, 2011 at 10:48 AM

I remember when Russia was invading Afghanistan and we were watching some footage on the news, a friend turned to me and commented that they looked like savage cavemen, straight out of the Flintstones era.

OmahaConservative on April 2, 2011 at 10:49 AM

Get back on topic.

katy on April 2, 2011 at 10:44 AM

Oh duh okay fearless leader.

exdeadhead on April 2, 2011 at 10:49 AM

thuja on April 2, 2011 at 10:48 AM

Thanks. I found one with a commentary.

OmahaConservative on April 2, 2011 at 10:50 AM

he’s a despicable bigot and a religious extremist himself. Terry Jones is as culpable for these murders as those who committed them; deliberate incitement to murder is culpability to the resulting murder.

There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between Jones and those who beheaded the UN workers in Afghanistan.

Are you kidding me? Did you take 5 minutes to actually read why he said he was doing it? I’m going to guess no. He had a reasoned argument that was essentially that the violence of Islam was an abomination to God and that he needed to fight back against it. That is 100% correct. Should he have done something else? Maybe, but if you’re doing nothing to fight against the spread of evil, who are you to criticize those who are trying to do SOMETHING.

He burned a bunch of paper. That’s it. He is not an ounce responsible for the actions of these killers. Do you know what Muslims do to the Bible? In your world we would have justification to go on a murdering spree a day. That’s absurd. The only person responsible for an action is the one who commits the action and maybe the guy (or book) that directly tells the person to act.

Some guy halfway across the world doing something that hurts your feelings isn’t to blame.

Vera on April 2, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Nut jobs on both sides.

Did he make America safer?
Did he make our troops safer?
Did he help the cause of Christ?

No.

Did he know it would lead to violence?

Yes. And in his tiny, rotted little mind he thought “What the hell do I care if people die. I’m going to get my jollies burning a Koran. Maybe I’ll get a book deal! Maybe I’ll get my own reality show.”

NickDeringer on April 2, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Evil will reveal itself. Evil grows in the shadows. To drive out evil into the light of the day you must confront it and you do that by holding it up in relation to good.

Freedom is good. Freedom of speech is good. Evil can not stand freedom of speech. The pastor I think did many Americans a service by showing the evil for what it is.

Anyone that would kill and cut off heads because of a book being burned is evil plain and simple.

We in this nation have forgotten that there is right and wrong and the liberals /progressives have introduced the “gray area” into the body politc so they can thrive.

I think we need to prod evil more. Let the evil show itself so we can defeat it.

unseen on April 2, 2011 at 10:54 AM

The left acts like a battered wife. Maybe if I don’t anger him he won’t be angry.

The Apostle Paul did not take a directly confrontational approach when dealing with the ‘gods’ of the various cities he preached in. He simply preached on Jesus Christ and his all sufficient sacrifice on the cross. Jones can burn all the books he wants to but that won’t help him get the message out that Jesus saves.

Mojave Mark on April 2, 2011 at 10:55 AM

There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between Jones and those who beheaded the UN workers in Afghanistan.

mountainaires on April 2, 2011 at 10:31 AM

So if a radical gay group were to decide that the right response to the state murder of gays in Iran is to riot and kill several innocent Americans, you would blame the Iranian government? Or are you just upset that someone said something controversial?

thuja on April 2, 2011 at 10:55 AM

I don’t think Jones is a fool. Calling him that is saying he shouldn’t have done it because it caused murderers to murder. He should do it again.

Blake on April 2, 2011 at 10:55 AM

Did Daniel Pearl burn a Koran?

Cindy Munford on April 2, 2011 at 10:55 AM

Vera on April 2, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Nut jobs on both sides.

Did he make America safer?
Did he make our troops safer?
Did he help the cause of Christ?

No.

Did he know it would lead to violence?

Yes. And in his tiny, rotted little mind he thought “What the hell do I care if people die. I’m going to get my jollies burning a Koran. Maybe I’ll get a book deal! Maybe I’ll get my own reality show.”

NickDeringer on April 2, 2011 at 10:55 AM

Is there an English online-translation of the koran?

OmahaConservative on April 2, 2011 at 10:28 AM

The imams would only claim that any English translation is inaccurate, so anything you take away from it is therefore unreliable.

That’s their “out” when someone quotes the passages encouraging the murder of anyone who doesn’t embrace their death cult.

CurtZHP on April 2, 2011 at 10:56 AM

Should Jones have burned the Koran? No

I’m tired of hearing this. Who cares if he burns a Koran? I don’t. As a Christian, I don’t care if he burns a Bible, or a flag, or the Constitution. He can burn whatever he wants to burn, as long as it’s his property.

j_galt on April 2, 2011 at 10:56 AM

There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between Jones and those who beheaded the UN workers in Afghanistan.

mountainaires on April 2, 2011 at 10:31 AM

This is what passes for an enlightened viewpoint amongst the baristas these days?

If you cannot discern the difference between a beheading and a book burning, I don’t want you making my coffee either.

roy_batty on April 2, 2011 at 10:56 AM

Do they punish heretics because they know there’s no Allah to do it for them? It seems like they don’t really believe he exists.

RBMN on April 2, 2011 at 10:27 AM

Probably not, but that’s an excellent point.

tikvah on April 2, 2011 at 10:56 AM

Where he does his ‘instigating’ has nothing to do with the issue he is challenging.

katy on April 2, 2011 at 10:44 AM

Depends on his motive. I’ve heard Jesse and Al defend what they do as being based on high moral principle. Read up on this guy’s history a bit, particularly his time in Cologne.

a capella on April 2, 2011 at 10:56 AM

Vera on April 2, 2011 at 10:54 AM

I agree with you. See how Terry Jones is promoting unity.

thuja on April 2, 2011 at 10:57 AM

Did he make America safer?
Did he make our troops safer?
Did he help the cause of Christ?

NickDeringer on April 2, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Yes. He help Ameircans see the evil
Yes He showed ther troops the evil they face
Yes. He helped Christ by revealing the evil in Islam as it is practiced today.

unseen on April 2, 2011 at 10:57 AM

NickDeringer on April 2, 2011 at 10:54 AM

So you think that these killers would never have gone after the UN compound or American military if the Koran had not been burned?

Cindy Munford on April 2, 2011 at 10:57 AM

Let’s face it: These humanoids are feral SAVAGES. Without this excuse to rampage, rape, and kill, they just come up with other excuses. We could cower till the cows come home, and they’ll still be lopping off heads. Get it? They’re SAVAGES of a death cult! If we burned korans more often, they would eventually get used it. But burn just one now and then, and it’s a big holiday for them. The entire Western world is on tippy toes for fear that the bass ackward thugs of all four dimensions might be upset. They lust for blood, because they’re so damned repressed and brainwashed, so any excuse will do. Terry Jones is nothing but a convenient trigger for a frothy rationale by SAVAGES.

Western_Civ on April 2, 2011 at 10:58 AM

I agree with you. See how Terry Jones is promoting unity.

thuja on April 2, 2011 at 10:57 AM

Haha, I was thinking the same thing.

Vera on April 2, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Oh duh okay fearless leader.

exdeadhead on April 2, 2011 at 10:49 AM

You are a quick study… ;o)

Leader is pleased…

katy on April 2, 2011 at 11:00 AM

There are plenty of things happening over in Afghanistan and Pakistan that these savages can use as premise for getting their murder on, but they deliberately ignore them. They really hate introspection, because they know just how sick and depraved they are, but are wholly unwilling to change themselves. The reason they, their nation, their cultures, and their religion all suck is because Allah wills it or some other external factor…not because they themselves adamantly refuse to comport themselves in a civilized fashion. This is why terrorism thrives in places like that. They don’t want to be free.

Christien on April 2, 2011 at 11:02 AM

mountainaires on April 2, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Bologna.

We cannot continue to tip toe around and ignore the barbarism of Islamists. “You made me”, “Jones made me” (or “the devil made me”) do it is simply not true.

The murderers are responsible for this massacre. What kind of person is able to cut another person’s (an innocent person’s) head off?

How bizarre to want to give them a smokescreen and allow them to escape responsibility…

Fallon on April 2, 2011 at 11:03 AM

katy on April 2, 2011 at 10:44 AM

If Terry Jones had been beheaded in the US would you feel the same as you do now about his act?

I think not.

Really Right on April 2, 2011 at 11:04 AM

As looney as Terry Jones is….. those 14th century, religion, zealots and morons are their imams are the real problem. When will the world wake up and deal with the real problem and not use band-aids? I am so tired of these outcasts from civilization. Do ANY of them have ANY real schooling at all?

ultracon on April 2, 2011 at 11:04 AM

a capella on April 2, 2011 at 10:56 AM

I don’t care much about Jones and his history. He’s simply a catalyst for a much larger debate. What happens to him is his own doing.
His actions and reasons for them, as explosive as they may be, need to bring this boiling pot to a head. People will not be subjugated by fear like this for long. Either way it’s all a powder keg waiting to blow.

katy on April 2, 2011 at 11:04 AM

Jones is not responsible. The practitioners of the “religion of peace” are. Those people are azz backwards as hell. Some Fl. kook burns the Koran so you just go murdering innocent people? It says a whole lot that they went bugchit after leaving a Mosque.How many Baptists, Catholics etc.. have you ever read about doing this after leaving church?Moderate to these people means that you make sure the knife is really sharp when you cut somebody’s head off.

Southernblogger on April 2, 2011 at 11:04 AM

Did anyone see the Rev actually burn a Koran?

d1carter on April 2, 2011 at 11:05 AM

Really Right on April 2, 2011 at 11:04 AM

Yes.

Read my post above to acapella. It the debate. Not the man who brings it or what happens to him.

katy on April 2, 2011 at 11:05 AM

Nut jobs on both sides.

Did he make America safer?
Did he make our troops safer?
Did he help the cause of Christ?

No.

Did he know it would lead to violence?

Yes. And in his tiny, rotted little mind he thought “What the hell do I care if people die. I’m going to get my jollies burning a Koran. Maybe I’ll get a book deal! Maybe I’ll get my own reality show.”

NickDeringer on April 2, 2011 at 10:55 AM

You obviously have never been around an Apostolic Christian before.

You are inserting what your rationale would be for an act like this and projecting that on Jones. He has been fighting against Islam for at least a year before this ever came out. After reading the Koran, he felt compelled to act. His first action wasn’t to burn the Koran, but eventually he felt led to that action. I learned all of this from looking at his website for 5 minutes. Am I the only one who went beyond “that nutcase!” to actually seeing what his justifications for his actions were?

He believes that he is defending Christianity by exposing Islam. You disagree, but that doesn’t change his motivations for his actions. It’s hard to understand if you don’t come from the perspective that there is real Evil in the world, but Jones does.

Did he make America safer? The best thing that can possibly happen to us is to stop pretending about Islam. Did he help dispell some myths? I don’t know, it seems like people are waking up.

Did he make our Troops safer? If waking up to Islam brings them home, hell yes.

Did he help the cause of Christ? He believes he did. The last time I checked God never looked to highly on false idols.

Did he know it would lead to violence? He couldn’t possibly have “known” anything, but the fact that we all believed that violence would occur speaks much worse on Islam than on Jones.

Vera on April 2, 2011 at 11:07 AM

katy on April 2, 2011 at 11:04 AM

I agree on the premise, but wish we had a better messenger,..same problem Islam has.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/09/cologne-church-quran-burning-preacher

a capella on April 2, 2011 at 11:08 AM

I think it’s a using a straw man argument to debate whether or not Jones is “responsible for murder.” The more troubling debate is not with responsibility, but with ethics. He basically said, “If I do this, violence and death will happen.” He did it, and innocent people died. Moreover, it could have profound effects on the well-being of millions of Afghans, as NGOs pull out in the wake of this. It would be one thing if it were a matter of free speech – something with “redeeming social value” like an editorial cartoon, a book, or a play. But no: This was one man deciding that publicity and a point that has already been made was worth doing burning books for, in not the fear but the hope of violence. It’s hard for me to get behind such a person, a “pastor” utterly devoid not only of ethics, but basic compassion and human decency. I can defend his right to do such an action. I can say he’s not responsible for the death’s of others. But his actions were still irresponsible at best and evil at worst.

calbear on April 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM

Forcing the debate? Consider this possibility: Jones does it again. This time he burns a dozen Korans. Others follow suit, and Koran burning protests spread around the globe.

novaculus on April 2, 2011 at 10:29 AM

Count me in. My first reaction to this story, after sadness for the victims, was that we should do a world-wide Koran burning. Eff them.

mrsmwp on April 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM

The religion of pieces.

csdeven on April 2, 2011 at 11:12 AM

but with ethics

Simple. He’s not a utilitarian.

Vera on April 2, 2011 at 11:13 AM

And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise. Vomit.
BallisticBob on April 2, 2011 at 11:04 AM

FIFY

Western_Civ on April 2, 2011 at 11:13 AM

calbear on April 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM

This.

a capella on April 2, 2011 at 11:13 AM

a capella on April 2, 2011 at 11:08 AM

Well, that just tells me they will be on the long waiting list of those to be beheaded.
They’ll be at the end of the list because ‘useful’ idiots will be spared as long as necessary.

katy on April 2, 2011 at 11:14 AM

roy_batty at 10:56 AM

Your common sense is not prevalent in some others on the board. A pastor burns a Koran in order to draw attention to murderous actions by some followers of that religion. Followers of that religion react by murdering 7 innocent people with 2 being beheadings which proves without doubt the pastor was right. Saying that burning a book and murdering 7 people are the same thing reflects a very unnerving mindset.

volsense on April 2, 2011 at 11:14 AM

So just burn more of the damn things.
It’s all a pile of sickening made-up crap anyway.

They have happily burned millions of our bibles and torah scrolls, have blown up magnificent ancient Buddhas and have brutally murdered thousand of peaceful Ba’hai and Zoroastrians in Iran.

Let me light up my Bic.

TexasJew on April 2, 2011 at 11:15 AM

CurtZHP on April 2, 2011 at 10:56 AM

I understand what you’re trying to say, but it’s not quite correct.

According to muzzie ‘scholars’, the only Koran that has ‘spiritual weight’ is one written in the original ancient Arabic, the tongue the Prophet used.

All other versions are ‘meaningless’ for the purposes of scholarship, debate, or spiritual meaning.

Funny how the muzzies tend to minimize (or omit) that point when they pass out translated copies of their ‘Holy Book’.

CPT. Charles on April 2, 2011 at 11:18 AM

Instead, he said the violence proved his point.

And what a surprise (!) that Nightline dipsh!t liberal Bill Weir would ask a preacher in Florida if he felt responsible for the actions of a bunch of 7th century tribal murderers in Afghanistan.

Or, as Allah might have asked: “Conservative Southern Christians — Is there anything they cannot do?!”

Jaibones on April 2, 2011 at 11:18 AM

Really Right on April 2, 2011 at 11:04 AM

If he was, then that murder would be the responsibility of the beheader.

ladyingray on April 2, 2011 at 11:19 AM

Does Jones have security? He just may need some even here in the US.

OmahaConservative on April 2, 2011 at 11:20 AM

The koran is the evil book of a barbaric death cult.

Christians have a duty to fight evil. Civilized people have a duty to fight barbarism.

Because all too many civilizations have been destroyed by barbarism.

It’s time to look to our own survival as a free people.

Rebar on April 2, 2011 at 11:21 AM

katy on April 2, 2011 at 11:05 AM

What if 7 people in the US were beheaded, none of them Terry Jones?

Really Right on April 2, 2011 at 11:21 AM

There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between Jones and those who beheaded the UN workers in Afghanistan.

mountainaires on April 2, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Congratulations, asswipe, you have just advertised your mental retardation to the HotAir world. Nothing else you ever say here will remove the stain of your moral equivalence stupidity.

Jaibones on April 2, 2011 at 11:21 AM

At least he didn’t draw any cartoons..

TexasJew on April 2, 2011 at 11:23 AM

And pencils misspell words.

catmman on April 2, 2011 at 11:24 AM

But his actions were still irresponsible at best and evil at worst.

calbear on April 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM

“Evil”….
You’re an idiot. Read the First Amendment.

TexasJew on April 2, 2011 at 11:25 AM

Now if Jones really wanted to prove a point he could offer himself up. Make a huge stink about how he is asking that they kill him and no one else. He’s already painted a bullseye on himself, might as well go all in.

Vera on April 2, 2011 at 11:26 AM

katy on April 2, 2011 at 11:14 AM

Jones didn’t do anything that will affect the debate. The so called “blasphemy” ship, with its associated violence, sailed long ago, and anyone who can read knows how little logic supports it. Jones is an opportunist riding on the coattails. The real test will be when media(particularly print) show some guts and challenge the crazies with confrontational material. Ironically, this little brush fire probably has made that less likely to happen, imo. I don’t know the answer, but it won’t come from stunts like this one.

a capella on April 2, 2011 at 11:27 AM

And pencils misspell words.

catmman on April 2, 2011 at 11:24 AM

And a spoon made Rosie O’Donell fat.

BallisticBob on April 2, 2011 at 11:27 AM

He is at the same level of fault as Palin, geographic cross-hairs and hateful rhetoric is to the Tucson shooter.

These are the same people who would kill themselves to kill others and that includes other Muslims if a Imam that has been indoctrination them from birth told them too. They don’t need a reason what so ever. Allah commands them too.

This is the enemy and they are letting there mask off and showing their real face but useful idiots are try desperately to put it back on and blame someone else for taking it off.

tjexcite on April 2, 2011 at 11:28 AM

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