Afghan mob kills at least 12 UN workers in protest over Terry Jones’s Koran-burning

posted at 4:51 pm on April 1, 2011 by Allahpundit

“Wait,” you say, “since when did Terry Jones burn a Koran?” Turns out he did it 12 days ago after some sort of kangaroo court/mock trial. I didn’t know about it until today; apparently, after being savaged last fall for condemning Jones’s provocation while devoting saturation coverage to it, most of the national media wisely decided to ignore him this time. Most, but not all: Someone must have picked up the story because, by last Thursday, our “friend” Hamid Karzai had formally denounced Jones’s act. Then, a week later, our “friends” in the Pakistani government denounced it too, replete with an open letter to the head of Interpol asking him to arrest Jones for the “violent crime” he supposedly committed. In other words, faced with a choice between pleasing local fundamentalists by publicizing a provocation they were trying to demagogue and alienating the fundies by ignoring it in order to avert a violent backlash, our “allies” decided to cover their own asses by stirring the pot. And let’s face it: Given the consequences these days in AfPak for being seen as soft on blasphemy, that’s a perfectly rational decision. Someone’s going to die; better a UN worker than the presidents of Afghanistan or Pakistan, right?

And yet, and yet, until today, there’d been no major violence anywhere reacting to Jones’s stunt, despite the fact that it happened almost two weeks ago. Even with Karzai and Zardari giving it a PR boost, Egyptians were focused on Mubarak’s crimes; Tunisians were busy with Islamists screeching about women wearing headscarves in state ID photos; Syrians were risking death urging the beady-eyed brute in charge to resign already; and Libyans were battling Qaddafi to see who’d control Ras Lanuf and Misurata for the next few hours before handing it over once again. With no movement on the “insane overreaction to blasphemy” front, Afghan clerics realized it’d take another push to get things going. And since today is mosque day, which guarantees huge crowds, they decided this was the moment to push:

Friday’s incident began when three mullahs, addressing worshippers at Friday prayers inside the Blue Mosque here, one of Afghanistan’s holiest places, urged people to take to the streets to agitate for the arrest of Terry Jones, the Florida pastor who oversaw the burning of a Koran on March 20. Otherwise, said the most prominent of them, Mullah Mohammed Shah Adeli, Afghanistan should cut off relations with the United States. “Burning the Koran is an insult to Islam and those who committed it should be punished,” he said.

The crowd — some carrying signs reading “Down with America” and “Death to Obama” — poured into the streets and swelled — the governor of Balkh Province, Atta Mohammad Noor, later put the number at 20,000…

The mob also burned down part of the United Nations compound, toppled guard towers and heaved blocks of cement down from the walls. The victims were killed by weapons that the demonstrators had wrestled away from the United Nations guards, according to Mr. Noor…

A prominent Afghan cleric, Mullah Qyamudin Kashaf, acting head of the Ulema Council of Afghanistan (and a Karzai appointee), also called for American authorities to arrest and try Mr. Jones for the Koran burning.

The Ulema Council recently met to discuss the Koran burning, he said in a telephone interview. “We expressed our deep concerns about this act and we were expecting the violence that we are witnessing now,” Mullah Kashaf said. “Unless they try him and give him the highest possible punishment, we will witness violence and protests not only in Afghanistan but in the entire world.”

How desperately did they want to see some rage today? CBS quotes a witness who says clerics were driving around the town yesterday with loudspeakers urging people to turn out for a “peaceful protest.” Fast-forward to today and the provincial governor, trying his best to spin this as some sort of organized Taliban or jihadi assault, was left trying to argue that the attack had been carried out by insurgents using the crowd as cover. That doesn’t square with the account quoted above, though, especially the part about an enormous throng overrunning the perimeter and seizing the guards’ guns. Insurgents surely would have brought their own weapons. Up to 20 people may have been killed in the attack at last count; early reports stated that two were beheaded but that’s in dispute at the moment. Ironically none of the victims were Americans, as the Times claims that protesters settled on the UN compound only when they couldn’t find any of ours to tear apart.

And so now we move to the inevitable next phase whenever there’s some cycle of revenge in the Muslim world in response to western speech, a la the Mohammed cartoons. Among the public, lots of second thoughts about staying put in Afghanistan, wondering how you build a nation on a foundation that’s capable of this. Among the administration, lots of angst about how to politically navigate the fallout, with free speech rights, AfPak diplomacy, and the outcome of the “Arab Spring” all in the mix. And for the media, lots of effort to hold Terry Jones morally responsible for the dead UN workers even though the only thing he burned was a book. An exit question for them via the Daily Caller’s Mike Riggs: “What are you willing to stop doing to avoid offending violent religious zealots?”


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Even frauds and attention whores retain the right to free speech, ask Charlie Sheen, Al Sharpton and Snookie

clnurnberg on April 1, 2011 at 7:20 PM

Makes sense you’d go for 22′s
I’ll take 7.62/.303
Anyway It’s noticible how you sidestepped the issue.

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Even a small bullet can kill a man. Also, I gave an answer to all the questions you posted.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:21 PM

“Unless they try him and give him the highest possible punishment, we will witness violence and protests not only in Afghanistan but in the entire world.”

Since Jones is a U.S. citizen, and burning the Koran is not a crime in Florida, the highest possible punishment for him under the law here is . . . nothing. So you’ll get your wish, crazy mullah. Jones will get the highest possible punishment for his act.

Somebody needs to remind these murderous thugs that 3/4 of the world’s population is not Muslim, and we’re not going to allow the 1/4 who are Muslim to dictate to the rest of us how we live in our own countries.

And no, crazy mullah, despite what that ignorant Barry Obama told you in Cairo, the U.S. is not one of the world’s largest Muslim countries, and crazy f*cks like you don’t get to impose your twisted version of justice on our citizens here, no matter how many innocent people you barbarians murder or threaten to murder.

AZCoyote on April 1, 2011 at 7:22 PM

It should be.

In a braver world, it would be.

Rebar on April 1, 2011 at 7:19 PM

I don’t care what the book is, book burning isn’t cool.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:22 PM

Wait. It’s April Fools day. Those crazy Islamists where just playing a joke. Right?

Scrappy on April 1, 2011 at 7:22 PM

“A prominent Afghan cleric, Mullah Qyamudin Kashaf, acting head of the Ulema Council of Afghanistan (and a Karzai appointee), also called for American authorities to arrest and try Mr. Jones for the Koran burning.”

Yeah, as soon as you behead those responsible for the death of those UN workers.

TRANSLATION: Ain’t gonna happen.

GarandFan on April 1, 2011 at 7:23 PM

Anyone criticizing this man is a craven, cowardly, fool undeserving of freedom. He should be honored for having the guts to weather what he surely knew would be this leftist, creepshow, torment while risking personal danger in order to make a sorely needed point for FREEDOM.

No evidence the man is a cult leader except for the usual lefty slander, and especially of Christians at that.

No evidence he’s doing this for personal gain.

It is evident however that he is taking a very real personal risk and in all probability knew so ahead of time.

HE’S DOING US ALL A SERVICE. We need more corageous men like him with the guts to take an obvious stand for freedom.
It is to our shame that so many blindly slander and ridicule him without a thread of evidence.

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 7:23 PM

I don’t care what the book is, book burning isn’t cool.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:22 PM

Maybe we can hussle up some Afghani flags and some flammable Karzai dolls?

clnurnberg on April 1, 2011 at 7:24 PM

What exactly did these 12 U.N. workers have to do with Terry Jones? What is the justification for killing these specific people?
DeathB4Tyranny on April 1, 2011 at 7:01 PM

They see the world as divided into two group: Islamists and the rest of the world. If someone in the rest of the world does something to offend them, then the rest of the world has to be punished. They see no reason to fine tune their reaction beyond that.

GaltBlvnAtty on April 1, 2011 at 7:25 PM

Why are you being an apologist? It would make sense, somewhat, if someone hunted down Jones and killed *him* for burning the book as it’s his action, but 12 random people. No excuse. None.

And isn’t it nice that they accommodated Jones and proved him right?

Hm. I wonder what kind of bad behavior or savagery I could indulge in and have someone else reap the consequences. Maybe I should convert to Islam. It won’t be my fault!

Maybe I’ll even have my own apologist!

kim roy on April 1, 2011 at 6:58 PM

I’m not being an apologist. I’m calling Jones a jerk. He’s a kook burger cult leader that has decided to pull a publicity stunt for the sake of it. He’s not doing it to prove a point. The point has been known for years. They’re animals and If I had my way I would do like the Israelis did after the Munich Olympics massacre and hunt every one of those dogs down. Jones is an attention whore, not a hero.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Sure you are. Yes, Jones is all that and more as you said above. You are trying to link cause and effect and there is none and there shouldn’t be.

You are trying to say that Jones should modify his behavior *because* they can’t control theirs.

kim roy on April 1, 2011 at 7:25 PM

So, what is your solution? To outlaw the burning of the Koran? To outlaw stupidity?

What exactly is your solution to this real world problem? Quit crying about Jones being stupid and tell me your solution to prevent this from happening again in the future.

I’m dying to find out what it is.

ButterflyDragon on April 1, 2011 at 7:11 PM

I think Jones is jerk but I will defend his right to be a jerk. But I also have the right to point out that he is a jerk and his actions succeeded in nothing but gaining attention for himself and stirring up the usual suspects.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:26 PM

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:18 PM

If that’s all you got from Europe which is notoriously hostile to Christianity, than you’re a slanderous idiot. He said/she said. Same way many others are slandered by the left.

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 7:26 PM

I don’t care what the book is, book burning isn’t cool.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:22 PM

It is a book of pure evil – it advocates genocide, rape, slavery, and torture.

Every koran destroyed, makes the world a little better.

Rebar on April 1, 2011 at 7:27 PM

I am waiting for the first fool at the U.N. To utter the words “Religion of Peace.”

seanrobins on April 1, 2011 at 7:27 PM

I don’t care what the book is, book burning isn’t cool.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:22 PM

While I agree with you in principle, it not being ‘cool’ does not mean it is illegal

This is different than burning books to stop the flow of information, etc.

Like it or not, the guy is entitled to do it.

catmman on April 1, 2011 at 7:28 PM

I am waiting for the first fool at the U.N. To utter the words “Religion of Peace.”

seanrobins on April 1, 2011 at 7:27 PM

Obama will beat them to it.

GaltBlvnAtty on April 1, 2011 at 7:30 PM

kim roy on April 1, 2011 at 7:19 PM

I wasn’t attacking you at all, but just pointing out what I see. I should have made it more clear. I understand and understood your stance, but the creeps among us shouldn’t be given anything to play with IMO.

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 7:30 PM

Sure you are. Yes, Jones is all that and more as you said above. You are trying to link cause and effect and there is none and there shouldn’t be.

You are trying to say that Jones should modify his behavior *because* they can’t control theirs.

kim roy on April 1, 2011 at 7:25 PM

Actually I’m saying that Jones is a jerk and there was no reason to do what he did except to garner attention for his whoring self. He didn’t prove anything that we didn’t already know about these crazy b@st@rds. He got media coverage for his stunt and now he’s happy. Besides, I bet if he was offered lots of money, a new car etc. God would have told him not to burn the Koran like God supposedly did that last time.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:30 PM

I think Jones is jerk but I will defend his right to be a jerk. But I also have the right to point out that he is a jerk and his actions succeeded in nothing but gaining attention for himself and stirring up the usual suspects.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:26 PM

LOL

So, in other words, you have no solution to the problem of people being murdered due to other people’s stupidity, so you’ll just exercise your right of critique until some Muslim beheads you at some point?

Or maybe you believe your criticism of Koran burning will provide you a Get Out Of Jail Free card to prevent your beheading?

ButterflyDragon on April 1, 2011 at 7:30 PM

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:21 PM

So you cowards would have criticized those destroying the statue?

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 7:31 PM

LOL

So, in other words, you have no solution to the problem of people being murdered due to other people’s stupidity, so you’ll just exercise your right of critique until some Muslim beheads you at some point?

Or maybe you believe your criticism of Koran burning will provide you a Get Out Of Jail Free card to prevent your beheading?

ButterflyDragon on April 1, 2011 at 7:30 PM

Actually my solution is for our US troops to be unleashed to bring down the wrath of God on these b@st@rds. Be in it to win it, bring back Bin Laden for execution and wipe the Taliban off the face of the planet. No more of this stupid nation building. But that’s just me.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:33 PM

So you cowards would have criticized those destroying the statue?

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 7:31 PM

What part of make some ammo for me did you not understand?

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:34 PM

So pulling down a statue on public property is honorable yet burning the enemy’s constitution on private property is idiotic? WTF?

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 7:35 PM

So pulling down a statue on public property is honorable yet burning the enemy’s constitution on private property is idiotic? WTF?

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 7:35 PM

What’s idiotic is trying to compare Koran Burning to the Revolutionary War.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:37 PM

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:37 PM

No it’s idiotic when you argue from ignorance. The Queeran is the enemy’s constitution.

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 7:38 PM

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:37 PM

No comparison with the Revolutionary War genius, comparison with destruction of property’s.
It’s dishonest to say I said otherwise

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 7:40 PM

No it’s idiotic when you argue from ignorance. The Queeran is the enemy’s constitution.

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 7:38 PM

Actually, using a Statue of King George III would be akin to Pulling down the Statue of Saddam Hussein. Both were tyrants that the people wanted deposed and were eventually toppled. The founding fathers didn’t burn the Magna Carta so comparing the statue to burning a Koran doesn’t quite fit. But I’ll fogive you your ignorance.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Let’s not be disingenuous about it, please.

ButterflyDragon on April 1, 2011 at 6:46 PM

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I want to use rock, paper, scissors if I can get he judge to let me… Just to make the point… and the blogs.
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RalphyBoy on April 1, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Those who blame Jones for the killing of those 12 inocent people should blame themselves for every muslim terrorist attack, because I guess they are not muslims , so they are “infidels” … and being “infidel” is a provocation for those muslims too . In fact that is their most important motivation to kill .

What Jones did is irrelevant. What provoque the killings is the ill mentality of those muslims who kill for nearly everything you could do , no matter if it is something you are legally able to do under the laws of YOUR country , or if it is just the exercice of your most basic rights , as it is to be able to believe in what you want instead in what they impose you to believe.

But , as usual , the lefties always blame anyone but the true culprit.

MiguelAngel on April 1, 2011 at 7:42 PM

No. I’m letting our morals dictate what is acceptable. That is why I’m calling Jones a jerk & the murderers animals.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 6:54 PM

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Solid. And Jones being a jerk every now and again fits what is about the norm for many in a free society… It seems that the rage of islam is pretty common also.
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RalphyBoy on April 1, 2011 at 7:44 PM

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:41 PM

LOL Are you for real? They didn’t burn the Magna Carta because they agreed with it!!!
Your ignorance is noted and not forgiven.

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 7:45 PM

This is a stupid argument. The men who follow Islam cut off the clitorises of their female children, they strap bombs on retarded Muslims, send them into a crowd and blow them up. They train their male children to hate and kill to continue their idiotic circle of death, and we in the USA condemn a man for burning their how to book? Are you kidding me? I say pull every soldier out of the region because these people will never ever change. Let them kill each other, screw them and their oil. Get rid of the perpetual crooks, I mean politicians in both houses so we can start drilling here.nwpammy on April 1, 2011 at 7:13 PM

Bravo!

Gob on April 1, 2011 at 7:46 PM

No comparison with the Revolutionary War genius, comparison with destruction of property’s.
It’s dishonest to say I said otherwise

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 7:40 PM

Oh, sorry. But with the talk of King George III and the “The Queeran is the enemy’s constitution” statement, I figured you gave up that private vs public property argument to try another angle.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:49 PM

You dont have to burn a koran to show Islamic extremism. The problem isnt Terry Jones. What he did was very stupid.

The problem is the political correctness in the MSM that wont hold Islam to the same standard it holds everything else.

There would be no need to burn a koran if the MSM and the left wouldnt so vehemently defend Islam and attack anyone who speaks out against it.

William Amos on April 1, 2011 at 7:51 PM

LOL Are you for real? They didn’t burn the Magna Carta because they agreed with it!!!
Your ignorance is noted and not forgiven.

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 7:45 PM

You’re the one who compares statues of dead British monarchs with A holy book you call an enemy constitution and I’m the unforgivable ignoramus? OY!

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:51 PM

The only I have problem with Koran burning is that the process converts it into something only about as useful. Shredding it into mulch is probably a better option.

stefanite on April 1, 2011 at 5:22 PM

He could’ve used the pages to make origami animals.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 1, 2011 at 7:53 PM

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:49 PM

What the hell are you talking about?
I haven’t given up on ANY argument of mine because they’re correct unlike your craven, cowardly, appeasing, ones.
We’re talking about destroying property here if you haven’t noticed.
Much more serious is that of others than of your own, but you seem to think otherwise.

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 7:54 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on April 1, 2011 at 7:53 PM

They really got to come out with a septic safe version.

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 7:55 PM

“What are you willing to stop doing to avoid offending violent religious zealots?”

Nothing. And if I believed in burning books, I’d be tempted to throw another on the barbie.

Cindy Munford on April 1, 2011 at 7:56 PM

I think Jones is jerk but I will defend his right to be a jerk. But I also have the right to point out that he is a jerk and his actions succeeded in nothing but gaining attention for himself and stirring up the usual suspects.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:26 PM

The usual suspects get stirred-up if you say the sky is blue and they think it’s aqua.
Appeasement gets us nowhere and wins us nothing.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 1, 2011 at 7:59 PM

What the hell are you talking about?
I haven’t given up on ANY argument of mine because they’re correct unlike your craven, cowardly, appeasing, ones.
We’re talking about destroying property here if you haven’t noticed.
Much more serious is that of others than of your own, but you seem to think otherwise.

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 7:54 PM

What does whether he’s on private or public property when he burned the Koran? I never said he wasn’t allowed to burn it. I said he was a jerk for doing so. You’re so busy throwing the coward and appeaser labels around that you don’t even bother to read what people have posted. No one is appeasing anyone here…except for those of you who appease that cult leader Jones.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 8:00 PM

LOL Are you for real? They didn’t burn the Magna Carta

because they agreed with it!!!
Your ignorance is noted and not forgiven.

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 7:45 PM

You’re the one who compares statues of dead British monarchs with A holy book you call an enemy constitution and I’m the unforgivable ignoramus? OY!

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:51 PM

Your ignorance of the subject is starting to glare.

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 8:00 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on April 1, 2011 at 7:59 PM

Calling someone a jerk is not appeasing the other side.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 8:01 PM

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 8:00 PM

LOL Now we’re appeasing the pastor?
According to who?

According to an ignorant, craven, appeaser, who wishes to focus on a man with obvious courage in the present circumstances when the real culprits are the fiends he poked in the eye.

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 8:04 PM

I think I am gonna watch this documentary again and wonder why are troops are over there.

The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan.

Gob on April 1, 2011 at 8:04 PM

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 8:00 PM

I’ve always enjoyed your posts.
What I should’ve said is while I’m not a fan of Jones-he is cultish-the muslims are going to rage no matter what.
we should not have to modify our actions out of fear of their actions.
If we change our behavior-they’ve won.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 1, 2011 at 8:06 PM

Your ignorance of the subject is starting to glare.

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 8:00 PM

Is that the best you got?

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 8:07 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on April 1, 2011 at 8:06 PM

I doubt that what I have to say will alter Jones’ behavior. I’m just putting out my opinion of the man and why I think what he did was stupid.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 8:08 PM

LOL Now we’re appeasing the pastor?
According to who?

According to an ignorant, craven, appeaser, who wishes to focus on a man with obvious courage in the present circumstances when the real culprits are the fiends he poked in the eye.

cjk on April 1, 2011 at 8:04 PM

No, according to a person who knows that Jones is a cult leader attention whore who didn’t burn the Koran the last time because he claims God told him not to (but the real reason why is because he got tons of media attention and a new car). My question is why is this guy considered so brave to defy God’s wishes now?

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 8:13 PM

I can kind of understand the muslims. I get an urge to run amok every time I hear Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi.

trigon on April 1, 2011 at 8:24 PM

Pastor Terry Jones told NBC’s TODAY show on Saturday that his church in Gainesville, Fla., would not burn Qurans in protest to the building of an Islamic center near the site of the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001.

“We will definitely not burn the Quran, no,” he said.
“Not today, not ever,” he said when pressed about whether his planned demonstration might happen at a later date.
He explained that it would not happen even if the Islamic center is built near ground zero.
Jones flew to New York to appear on NBC’s TODAY show and told interviewer Carl Quintanilla that there was no meeting set up with New York Imam Faisal Rauf.
He said he hoped a meeting would take place, however.
“Even though we have not burned one Quran, we have gotten over 100 death threats,” Jones said. “We feel that God is telling us to stop, and we also hope that … maybe that will open up the door to maybe be able to talk to the imam.”
Jones said that his church’s goal was “to expose that there is an element of Islam that is very dangerous and very radical.”
He told NBC that “we have definitely accomplished that mission.”
A “Burn a Koran Day” banner outside his church has been taken down.

It’s really brave to defy the word of God for your own personal publicity stunt. Maybe he needed another car.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 8:29 PM

I can kind of understand the muslims. I get an urge to run amok every time I hear Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi.

trigon on April 1, 2011 at 8:24 PM

Anthony Weiner and Harry Reid tends to set me off on a jihad.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 8:30 PM

statues of dead British monarchs with A holy book

There’s your mistake. Islam is a political system.

Vera on April 1, 2011 at 8:47 PM

There’s your mistake. Islam is a political system.

Vera on April 1, 2011 at 8:47 PM

it doesn’t matter. Jones is still an attention whoring idiot.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 8:57 PM

It is a good thing that David Koresh and Janet Reno were not there. Who knows what would have happened.

percysunshine on April 1, 2011 at 8:58 PM

I think people should understand how muslims operate in a country depending on how big a % of the population they are.

unseen on April 1, 2011 at 9:32 PM

I think Jones is jerk but I will defend his right to be a jerk. But I also have the right to point out that he is a jerk and his actions succeeded in nothing but gaining attention for himself and stirring up the usual suspects.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:26 PM

And maybe the irony that is slapping everyone in the face is that you coming to this thread to condemn Jones’ as an attention whore is showing you yourself to be an attention whore.

There can be no other reason for you to spend your comments condemning his inconsiderate but insignificant act in the face of the mob’s blatant evil. Yes. I’m sure Jones had mixed motives in this, and we all know something like this done simply out of provocation makes the person who does it a jerk. But you’d have a hard time convincing anyone that your rants of Jones on this thread aren’t just to get a reaction which makes you the very sort of jerk you are calling Jones.

I imagine if you heard that a family was killed by a drunk driver, you’d find it appropriate to talk about the dead mother’s bad taste in shoes rather than the drunk’s bad choice that killed an innocent family.

miConsevative on April 1, 2011 at 9:37 PM

“Islam is a religion of peace. COUNT IT!”
/s crr6

Khun Joe on April 1, 2011 at 9:40 PM

there is good and there is evil.

unseen on April 1, 2011 at 9:42 PM

And maybe the irony that is slapping everyone in the face is that you coming to this thread to condemn Jones’ as an attention whore is showing you yourself to be an attention whore.

There can be no other reason for you to spend your comments condemning his inconsiderate but insignificant act in the face of the mob’s blatant evil. Yes. I’m sure Jones had mixed motives in this, and we all know something like this done simply out of provocation makes the person who does it a jerk. But you’d have a hard time convincing anyone that your rants of Jones on this thread aren’t just to get a reaction which makes you the very sort of jerk you are calling Jones.

I imagine if you heard that a family was killed by a drunk driver, you’d find it appropriate to talk about the dead mother’s bad taste in shoes rather than the drunk’s bad choice that killed an innocent family.

miConsevative on April 1, 2011 at 9:37 PM

So, if expressing my opinion on a thread makes me an attention whore, what does that make you for doing the same thing? I don’t know how many ways one can condemn the expected actions of a group of savages that will please you so sorry if I didn’t jump on the redundancy bandwagon. Critiquing the dead’s shoes? Really? That’s the dumbest description of the type of person someone would perceive me to be that I’ve read yet. You really must do better than that.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 9:47 PM

We lost 6 soldiers in one firefight + fifteen wounded over there this week.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Afghanistan/us-soldiers-killed-afghanistan-firefight/story?id=13274369

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 1, 2011 at 10:08 PM

And f*ck the rest of the muslims and the PC crowd who screech like banshees at the mention of profiling. It’s muslims that do this sort of sh*t, fly airplanes into building and puts bombs in their underwear, shoes and @sses trying to kill innocent people in the name of their religion.

Until ‘moderate’ muslims take a firm stance on the extremists to the point of proclaiming them not to be muslims, it’s their own damn fault that their religion has no problem accepting people committing these acts under their big tent. I’m Roman Catholic and Catholics who did things so contrary to our faith would be excommunicated – declaring that by their very actions they prove that no matter what they call themselves, they are not Catholic. All I’ve heard from muslims is that these savages are ‘extremist muslims’. ‘Extremist Catholics’ are those who have an inordinate need to only attend Mass in Latin. If they were cutting off people’s heads because someone defaced a statue of a Saint, I would either realize there is something wrong with my religion if these people were part of it and leave it, or at the very least, would totally understand why it makes sense to keep a closer eye on anyone who belongs to a group that has such a large number of these savages (and don’t try to tell me it is very few muslims who do this – it was a mob who did this, just like the many other violent mobs we’ve seen from this ‘religion of peace’).

miConsevative on April 1, 2011 at 10:10 PM

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 1, 2011 at 10:08 PM

Meanwhile over at MSNBC they write about Arab protesters being killed, not a word on our servicemen.

dmann on April 1, 2011 at 10:16 PM

What are they so upset about? Most of ‘them’ can’t read anyway.

Fuquay Steve on April 1, 2011 at 10:17 PM

Pentagon encourages female soldiers to wear Muslim garb……. its enough to make one puke!!

dmann on April 1, 2011 at 10:19 PM

So, if expressing my opinion on a thread makes me an attention whore, what does that make you for doing the same thing? I don’t know how many ways one can condemn the expected actions of a group of savages that will please you so sorry if I didn’t jump on the redundancy bandwagon. Critiquing the dead’s shoes? Really? That’s the dumbest description of the type of person someone would perceive me to be that I’ve read yet. You really must do better than that.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 9:47 PM

No. It’s not whether your opinion is right or wrong. It’s whether it’s appropriate to mention it considering the situation. Jones’ opinion that he could burn a book was correct, but you say it still makes him a jerk. Someone may have the opinion that the dead mother did have bad taste in shoes, but if that’s what they choose to talk about at her funeral, they’re a jerk. Coming onto a conservative website to condemn the guy who was practicing his free speech rights when the rest of the story is about mobs killing 12 people because some guy on the other side of the planet burnt a book makes you an attention whoring jerk.

If you are really trying to say that you didn’t have some thought in your head that coming in here to complain about Jones would cause other HAers to go after your, you’re either a liar or an idiot.

miConsevative on April 1, 2011 at 10:21 PM

Religion of Peace…?

coldwarrior on April 1, 2011 at 10:36 PM

No. It’s not whether your opinion is right or wrong. It’s whether it’s appropriate to mention it considering the situation. Jones’ opinion that he could burn a book was correct, but you say it still makes him a jerk. Someone may have the opinion that the dead mother did have bad taste in shoes, but if that’s what they choose to talk about at her funeral, they’re a jerk. Coming onto a conservative website to condemn the guy who was practicing his free speech rights when the rest of the story is about mobs killing 12 people because some guy on the other side of the planet burnt a book makes you an attention whoring jerk.

If you are really trying to say that you didn’t have some thought in your head that coming in here to complain about Jones would cause other HAers to go after your, you’re either a liar or an idiot.

miConsevative on April 1, 2011 at 10:21 PM

Wait a minute. Jones’ opinion is not right by his own standard because he defied the word of God for his bout of attention. He didn’t do anything noble at all. Yes, he has the right to do so but that makes him no less of a jerk for doing something that produced nothing but attention for himself and to rile the heathens in the Middle East. So, you can call me an attention whore all you want. It doesn’t mitigate the fact that per his words on 9/11/2010 he said that God was trying to tell him not to burn the Koran, not now and not in the future. I expect the Muslims to act like barbarians. That goes without saying. What’s pathetic is a supposed man of God who heard God tell him not to do something felt the need to defy God for a publicity stunt. So, yeah. It’s absolutely appropriate to mention Jones because he doesn’t come at this with clean hands. Plus, he’s part of the story.
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 10:42 PM

Get the hell out of there and leave these jackals to burn themselves to the round. How many times more do we have to be shown proof that there is no transformation of “hearts and minds” amongst these people and that they’re not worth the time, effort and sacrifice of human lives we’ve invested since we overthrew the Taliban.

CTDeLude on April 1, 2011 at 10:43 PM

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 10:42 PM

You aren’t an attention whore. You’ve been handling youself quite well. Carry on.

a capella on April 1, 2011 at 10:51 PM

Thank you a capella.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 10:53 PM

They’re animals and If I had my way I would do like the Israelis did after the Munich Olympics massacre and hunt every one of those dogs down. Jones is an attention whore, not a hero.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Yet, you continue to cast blame towards Jones. The blame lies in a religion that condones violence, Preachers that preach violence and, “societies” in which violence and medieval norms are the way of life…

Gohawgs on April 1, 2011 at 11:11 PM

Wait a minute. Jones’ opinion is not right by his own standard because he defied the word of God for his bout of attention. He didn’t do anything noble at all. Yes, he has the right to do so but that makes him no less of a jerk for doing something that produced nothing but attention for himself and to rile the heathens in the Middle East. So, you can call me an attention whore all you want. It doesn’t mitigate the fact that per his words on 9/11/2010 he said that God was trying to tell him not to burn the Koran, not now and not in the future. I expect the Muslims to act like barbarians. That goes without saying. What’s pathetic is a supposed man of God who heard God tell him not to do something felt the need to defy God for a publicity stunt. So, yeah. It’s absolutely appropriate to mention Jones because he doesn’t come at this with clean hands. Plus, he’s part of the story.
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 10:42 PM

Great. Thanks for the words of wisdom. I’ll keep them in mind the next time I hear about a woman beat to a pulp by her abusive husband and be sure to mention that she could be a little b1tchy at times. She is part of the story afterall – and feeling the need to bring it up when talking about what her husband did to her in no way implies that her being b!tchy part of a problem in the situation.

miConsevative on April 1, 2011 at 11:37 PM

It’s a religion invented and perpetrated by a middle age warlord? What did you expect?

Rambotito on April 2, 2011 at 12:06 AM

Great. Thanks for the words of wisdom. I’ll keep them in mind the next time I hear about a woman beat to a pulp by her abusive husband and be sure to mention that she could be a little b1tchy at times.

miConsevative on April 1, 2011 at 11:37 PM

Faulty analogy. Nobody is placing blame on the victims here, who were just some UN people from who-knows-where doing their job. Jones is not a victim of anything other than his own narcissism. There is plenty of blame to go around–Afghanistan’s childish rage and permanent inferiority complex; the lack of leadership or courage from those in power; the epidemic of Muslims who refuse to accept responsibility for their fellow death cultists; once you start counting flaws in that part of the world, you’d better hope you packed a lunch and a toothbrush.

But that doesn’t absolve Jones of trying to instigate a response from a billion mad children. Actions have consequences, even legal actions. Do you think God would smile upon what he did? Inciting madmen to murder innocents is not a noble act.

Immolate on April 2, 2011 at 12:21 AM

How exactly did he incite them, Immolate? Who exactly incited them, Immolate?

In this country you have the right to express your 1st amendment freedoms by word And by deed. Flag and Koran burning are included. There are very few exceptions in the law, generally known as ‘fighting words’. Jones didn’t violate these provisions of law; hence, he is blameless.

Those who wish to find a way to blame him in the face of barbarism which has no rational defense are, sadly, tilting at lefty/Islamic windmills.

Don’t be dummies, dhimmis!

Opinionator on April 2, 2011 at 12:32 AM

Opinionator on April 2, 2011 at 12:12 AM

11. Eliminate Sharia compliant financing in the U.S.
12. Legislate – at the national level – the elimination/prevention of Sharia law.

Opinionator on April 2, 2011 at 12:37 AM

Of course a Lefty blogger condemns Terry Jones and not the Muslims killing people. To merely condemn Jones is to make light of the danger of Islam in the world. If we can’t hurt their feelings what does that mean in terms of what we can even say about it?

Blue Collar Todd on April 2, 2011 at 12:45 AM

Lefties and Islam: ‘a league of their own’. Thank Gawd I didn’t click on that LGF link, Blue. Shocker!

Opinionator on April 2, 2011 at 12:51 AM

I think these riots and killings are ginned up by radicals. The people are too scared to do anything but go along–after all, our policy is that this is just “free speech.”

Our politicians are like children. Would you count on their protection?

PattyJ on April 2, 2011 at 1:06 AM

Geez… I hate to see how they’ll react when I wipe my butt with the Koran and post the video on Youtube.

UltimateBob on April 2, 2011 at 1:15 AM

I think these riots and killings are ginned up by radicals. The people are too scared to do anything but go along–after all, our policy is that this is just “free speech.”

Our politicians are like children. Would you count on their protection?

PattyJ on April 2, 2011 at 1:06 AM

And when they demonstrate in western Europe and riot in France, Sweden and elsewhere over cartoons? Are they too afraid in western nations as well?

sharrukin on April 2, 2011 at 1:18 AM

Lefties and Islam: ‘a league of their own’. Thank Gawd I didn’t click on that LGF link, Blue. Shocker!

Opinionator on April 2, 2011 at 12:51 AM

There’s a reason why I refer to LGF as ‘Little Green Fruitcakes’. Btw: I agree with you about Islam.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 2, 2011 at 2:34 AM

Great. Thanks for the words of wisdom. I’ll keep them in mind the next time I hear about a woman beat to a pulp by her abusive husband and be sure to mention that she could be a little b1tchy at times. She is part of the story afterall – and feeling the need to bring it up when talking about what her husband did to her in no way implies that her being b!tchy part of a problem in the situation.

miConsevative on April 1, 2011 at 11:37 PM

LMAO!!

Winner – Strawman Argument of the Week Award!!

Tim_CA on April 2, 2011 at 2:36 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on April 2, 2011 at 2:34 AM

I remember not so long ago that you and I had a little tete a tete……..before you knew me.

I thank you for your kind words, now. And I wish you all the very best in TX.

Sending a big, Texas hug your way, m’dear……….

Safe travels.

Opinionator on April 2, 2011 at 2:50 AM

Winner – Strawman Argument of the Week Award!!

Tim_CA on April 2, 2011 at 2:36 AM

So what’s your argument on behalf of Islam and the Grand Left?

Waiting with baited breath.

Because, you know, you lefties ALWAYS find a way to denigrate all that is good in life. Moreover, you cannot stand to hear another opinion. Wouldn’t fit your Marxist
mindset.

Of COURSE you didn’t quote the entire bit regarding miConservative, in order to try to poison the well with YOUR narrative. Bahhhhh.

At the end of this night, you are scum, chum.

Opinionator on April 2, 2011 at 3:10 AM

Before I go to sleep:

{{sharrukin}}. . . all through this thread and others. . .:

You must be in my mind,… ;)

You’ve got it.

Opinionator on April 2, 2011 at 3:18 AM

Ironically none of the victims were Americans, as the Times claims that protesters settled on the UN compound only when they couldn’t find any of ours to tear apart.

But so useful. If the victims were American, even Obama might have had to send out a drone, and the American public would be outraged.

If non Americans, NGOs or whatever are taken out, that crowd will blame America and not the mullahs, as the cause. It is so much safer to blame a pipsqueak church in the US for beheadings than the group holding the knives

A useful way to isolate America

An exit question for them via the Daily Caller’s Mike Riggs: “What are you willing to stop doing to avoid offending violent religious zealots?”

What is the point? If they are violent religious zealous, they are much worse than religious zealots in the US who legally burn books on any subject.

IMHO the beheaders intend to supplant our culture regardless of book burnings, and are actively engaged in colonizing the world for that purpose. The so called moderates of the faith make no effort to stop the voilent ones, and the moderates supply donations to the zealots, and they utilize our law to override our system

There is no concession on this which will yield any return except loss of liberty

Butterball by Guy de Maupassant: the crowd in the coach were willing to accept food from the disgraceful Butterball, but when the coach would not be allowed to pass unless Miss Butterball agreed to submit to the dastardly demands of the One they all feared, the good fellow passengers wanted Miss Butterball to submit. Of course, once she submitted and they were allowed to pass through, she was shunned by all

entagor on April 2, 2011 at 3:49 AM

That`s the UN for you! Guns wrested away should have been guns unloaded at said heathens before they could wrest them away.

I am sick of Islam and the trouble it is causing. Guess there are a lot of good people who are Muslims, but they are not dealing with the bad element. They must.

Zero tolerance for drugs but not for “American” Muslims who attack “their own” country?

And if Muslims want to live in this great country then they must also obey our laws. Our laws are not sharia laws. That is not how it works. At least the moderates among them better start monitoring the bad elements we have over here and we have them severally. How many honor killings and terrorist acts must we tolerate before we put real pressure on the Muslim community to monitor itself and drop the dime on their recalcitrant brothers and sisters??

Crap, all of the middle-east hates us. Now that IS a big population.

We need a strong president at the helm to put the fear of the US in these tribal rustics. And they are virtually all tribes.

Not wars but swift punitive strikes would be good.

Power is all those illiterates and the imams who lead them will understand.

If they would just keep the violence confined to their borders thus slaughtering themselves, that would be great.

But they don`t and we must protect ourselves and our citizens abroad.

Swift painful justice is the order of the day.

Yes it is primitive, but we are dealing with primitives.

Burn a Koran, get killed. Carry a Bible, get killed.

And that is the truth of it.

Escape from New York?

Better, Escape from the Middle-East. Just make sure no one escapes.

Sherman1864 on April 2, 2011 at 4:48 AM

First, book burning is foolishness.

Burning the Koran is book burning.

Blaming Terry Jones for the actions of Jihadists is foolishness.

By definition, Jihadists are against anything “impure” such as the UN. Given their dogma, Islamists need nothing else to protest, mob and butcher “infidels” regardless of details. The UN is Infidel to the Jihadist.

That the media is reporting a story does not prove the story’s validity unless one accepts whole cloth and buys fabrications by habit and taste. The only thing proven by the story is that those who control global propaganda set that ball and heads rolling with their own ax to grind: anti-Bible + pro-War = two birds with one story.

maverick muse on April 2, 2011 at 8:30 AM

Mullah Qyamudin Kashaf:

“Unless they try him and give him the highest possible punishment, we will witness violence and protests not only in Afghanistan but in the entire world.”

I got a better idea, Kashaf. How about you turn those “holy men” who incited these murders over to us – or you can behead them and put it up on youtube, don’t care much either way.

And in return, we won’t go “Mafia Don” on you and tell you: “Ya got some nice looking mosques in Afghanistan. Be a shame if something were to happen to them….

georgej on April 2, 2011 at 8:31 AM

The so called moderates of the faith make no effort to stop the voilent ones, and the moderates supply donations to the zealots, and they utilize our law to override our system
entagor on April 2, 2011 at 3:49 AM

Guess you missed this.

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/03/28/pakistani-actress-bravely-unloads-on-mulsim-mullah-media/#more-460664

a capella on April 2, 2011 at 9:25 AM

Seriously, Terry Jones is an a-hole, but he’s our a-hole, and the Muslim world needs to STFU. On any given Friday they’ll cursed the Jews, Christians and Western World in general. So enough with this crap.
My only regret is that Alexander the Great didn’t wipe out the population when he had the chance.

Lance Murdock on April 1, 2011 at 5:05 PM

There were no Muslims during Alexander the Great’s time. What population is it you regret he didn’t wipe out?

DarkCurrent on April 2, 2011 at 10:06 AM

Third World Islamic stone agers want to drag the West back to the 7th Century…..……….so we definitely should listen to them!!

Obama appoints Islamic Affairs Czar in 5…….4……3….

PappyD61 on April 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM

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