Afghan mob kills at least 12 UN workers in protest over Terry Jones’s Koran-burning

posted at 4:51 pm on April 1, 2011 by Allahpundit

“Wait,” you say, “since when did Terry Jones burn a Koran?” Turns out he did it 12 days ago after some sort of kangaroo court/mock trial. I didn’t know about it until today; apparently, after being savaged last fall for condemning Jones’s provocation while devoting saturation coverage to it, most of the national media wisely decided to ignore him this time. Most, but not all: Someone must have picked up the story because, by last Thursday, our “friend” Hamid Karzai had formally denounced Jones’s act. Then, a week later, our “friends” in the Pakistani government denounced it too, replete with an open letter to the head of Interpol asking him to arrest Jones for the “violent crime” he supposedly committed. In other words, faced with a choice between pleasing local fundamentalists by publicizing a provocation they were trying to demagogue and alienating the fundies by ignoring it in order to avert a violent backlash, our “allies” decided to cover their own asses by stirring the pot. And let’s face it: Given the consequences these days in AfPak for being seen as soft on blasphemy, that’s a perfectly rational decision. Someone’s going to die; better a UN worker than the presidents of Afghanistan or Pakistan, right?

And yet, and yet, until today, there’d been no major violence anywhere reacting to Jones’s stunt, despite the fact that it happened almost two weeks ago. Even with Karzai and Zardari giving it a PR boost, Egyptians were focused on Mubarak’s crimes; Tunisians were busy with Islamists screeching about women wearing headscarves in state ID photos; Syrians were risking death urging the beady-eyed brute in charge to resign already; and Libyans were battling Qaddafi to see who’d control Ras Lanuf and Misurata for the next few hours before handing it over once again. With no movement on the “insane overreaction to blasphemy” front, Afghan clerics realized it’d take another push to get things going. And since today is mosque day, which guarantees huge crowds, they decided this was the moment to push:

Friday’s incident began when three mullahs, addressing worshippers at Friday prayers inside the Blue Mosque here, one of Afghanistan’s holiest places, urged people to take to the streets to agitate for the arrest of Terry Jones, the Florida pastor who oversaw the burning of a Koran on March 20. Otherwise, said the most prominent of them, Mullah Mohammed Shah Adeli, Afghanistan should cut off relations with the United States. “Burning the Koran is an insult to Islam and those who committed it should be punished,” he said.

The crowd — some carrying signs reading “Down with America” and “Death to Obama” — poured into the streets and swelled — the governor of Balkh Province, Atta Mohammad Noor, later put the number at 20,000…

The mob also burned down part of the United Nations compound, toppled guard towers and heaved blocks of cement down from the walls. The victims were killed by weapons that the demonstrators had wrestled away from the United Nations guards, according to Mr. Noor…

A prominent Afghan cleric, Mullah Qyamudin Kashaf, acting head of the Ulema Council of Afghanistan (and a Karzai appointee), also called for American authorities to arrest and try Mr. Jones for the Koran burning.

The Ulema Council recently met to discuss the Koran burning, he said in a telephone interview. “We expressed our deep concerns about this act and we were expecting the violence that we are witnessing now,” Mullah Kashaf said. “Unless they try him and give him the highest possible punishment, we will witness violence and protests not only in Afghanistan but in the entire world.”

How desperately did they want to see some rage today? CBS quotes a witness who says clerics were driving around the town yesterday with loudspeakers urging people to turn out for a “peaceful protest.” Fast-forward to today and the provincial governor, trying his best to spin this as some sort of organized Taliban or jihadi assault, was left trying to argue that the attack had been carried out by insurgents using the crowd as cover. That doesn’t square with the account quoted above, though, especially the part about an enormous throng overrunning the perimeter and seizing the guards’ guns. Insurgents surely would have brought their own weapons. Up to 20 people may have been killed in the attack at last count; early reports stated that two were beheaded but that’s in dispute at the moment. Ironically none of the victims were Americans, as the Times claims that protesters settled on the UN compound only when they couldn’t find any of ours to tear apart.

And so now we move to the inevitable next phase whenever there’s some cycle of revenge in the Muslim world in response to western speech, a la the Mohammed cartoons. Among the public, lots of second thoughts about staying put in Afghanistan, wondering how you build a nation on a foundation that’s capable of this. Among the administration, lots of angst about how to politically navigate the fallout, with free speech rights, AfPak diplomacy, and the outcome of the “Arab Spring” all in the mix. And for the media, lots of effort to hold Terry Jones morally responsible for the dead UN workers even though the only thing he burned was a book. An exit question for them via the Daily Caller’s Mike Riggs: “What are you willing to stop doing to avoid offending violent religious zealots?”


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Terry Jones is an idiot. He’s just as bad as the people who burn the flag.

“I know it won’t accomplish anything but burning the Koran makes ME feel good. So what if 12 people are murdered.”

NickDeringer on April 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Two observations:
1) Terry Jones is a provocateur, and could care less about the consequences of his stupid, inflammatory actions.

2) Muslims need to stop killing people because they are “mad” about things.

blatantblue on April 1, 2011 at 4:56 PM

It took ‘em 12 days to get their murder on?

Those crazy Muhammadans are slipping…

catmman on April 1, 2011 at 4:58 PM

If there were no Terry Jones, they’d have to invent him. And they would.

Remember how they had to add images they found on the ‘net to make the cartoons bad enough to gin up riots?

S. Weasel on April 1, 2011 at 4:58 PM

S. Weasel on April 1, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Still a stupid thing for him to do. Totally reckless.

blatantblue on April 1, 2011 at 4:59 PM

I’m sure that it has nothing to do with our One Dear Leader starting a war with another Muslim country.

But, like blatantblue said, Muslims do need to stop killing people because they are mad, upset or disrespected. It seems to me to be the same mentality that fills our prisons. “So and so made me do it.”

You can be upset without killing people.

matthew26 on April 1, 2011 at 5:00 PM

Ironically none of the victims were Americans, as the Times claims that protesters settled on the UN compound only when they couldn’t find any of ours to tear apart the courage to be torn apart by any of ours.

Fixed.

Christien on April 1, 2011 at 5:00 PM

I know it won’t accomplish anything but burning the Koran makes ME feel good. So what if 12 people are murdered.”

First of all, I highly doubt it “made him feel good” to burn the Koran. His actions were born out of a legitimate interest in making a statement against something that he (very correctly) views as satanic.

He has every right to do so, and he should not censor himself because his actions might offend the perpetually offended.

The problem with the Koran is not that it was burned, but that it instructs its followers to kill in its name. Be angry at Islam, not the messenger.

Vera on April 1, 2011 at 5:00 PM

So, according to the Arab muslim standards:
Burning the koran – bad
killing innocent people – OK.
How am I getting this wrong?

redshirt on April 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM

If the peace of the Muslim community is dependent on the other five billion people on the planet not ever being knuckleheads, blatantblue, they’re screwed.

S. Weasel on April 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM

I strongly support the Curtis LeMay option.

MikeHu on April 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM

You know what? I think it’s time to cut bait. If the only thing we’re getting as a result of years of blood spilled and hundreds of billions of dollars spent is this kind of crap, then let them rot.

Pull out. Let them descend into a state of anarchy. Yeah, the Islamists will take over. But haven’t they already? We’ve got carriers in proximity. If we need to, we can MOAB the f*ck out of them on an irregular basis, just to keep the neanderthals in check.

Yes, this is simplistic. I know. But we’ve got huge problems domestically, and we need to pick our fights. This one’s over. Let’m rot. If we need to go back in five or ten years, at least we’ll have not spent the lives of our soldiers and G-d knows how much money on a wasted effort in the meantime.

F*ck’m. They deserve each other.

nukemhill on April 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Gotta love that religion of peace…

maintenanceman on April 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM

The Buddha called– he’d like his Bamiyan monuments back.

Terp Mole on April 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM

“What are you willing to stop doing to avoid offending violent religious zealots?”

The NYT would probably suggest the following: breathing

Erich66 on April 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM

If it wasn’t Jones it would be cartoonists…

Caper29 on April 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM

“one of _____________ holiest places”

How many of these are there?

aquaviva on April 1, 2011 at 5:03 PM

If there were no Terry Jones, they’d have to invent him. And they would.

Remember how they had to add images they found on the ‘net to make the cartoons bad enough to gin up riots?

S. Weasel on April 1, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Was it Time or Newsweek that made up the story about a Koran being flushed down a toilet? I think people died because of that one, too.

fiatboomer on April 1, 2011 at 5:03 PM

blatantblue on April 1, 2011 at 4:56 PM

You need to reverse your observations if you want to live in a free society.

NickDeringer on April 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM

What organized and worldwide movement exists that constantly intimidates and kills people who dare to burn the US flag? It is part and parcel with every single lefty-islamic-anarchic protest the world over.

I’m not defending this kook pastor from some obscure church that nobody ever heard of. I am pointing fingers at enablers of islamic violence.

Mord on April 1, 2011 at 5:03 PM

Vera on April 1, 2011 at 5:00 PM

Times ten.

This is bullcrap when a guy burning a book can be held responsible for ridiculous savages murdering people. I don’t care if they have been violent in the past, or even if he literally had a letter in his hands that say, “If you burn a Koran, we will kill 12 people.” It is still not his fault, his is not responsible for their actions.

Living4Him5534 on April 1, 2011 at 5:03 PM

I don’t have a problem with Jones if that is what it takes to show the true nature of Islam. It’s better to show it now then let the fraud stand till they are a major force here.

Rocks on April 1, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Lets face it. They will do their rage thing no matter what,whether it happens or not. Yes, Jones is an idiot and probably has 12 plus lives on his hands but the religion of peace will continue to kill because they want to. The best way to handle them is the way you handle a rabid animal, put it/them down.

retiredeagle on April 1, 2011 at 5:04 PM

It is still not his fault, his is not responsible for their actions.

HE is not responsible.

Living4Him5534 on April 1, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Pastor Jones isn’t the first performance artist to express himself with an Inferno.

A thought experiment: How long before Salvador Dali’s “blasphemous” caricature of Mohammed burning in hell is expunged from art history classes? How about Auguste Rodin? or Gustave Dore?

Each of these artists caricatured Mohammed roasting in Hell— as related in Dante’s trilogy “The Divine Comedy” [Inferno XXVIII, 19-42].

The same forces that repeatedly plot to destroy the fresco of Dante’s Inferno in Bologna’s Church of San Petronio remain at work today.

And if Americans are unwilling to stand in solidarity with Terry Jones, what’s to stop the global Taliban from silencing any and every expression Muslims deem “offensive”?

Archived depictions of Mohammed serve as a poignant reminder that such provocative expression has been part of Western AND ISLAMIC culture since the Middle Ages— and serve as a resource for those interested in defending free expression.

Terp Mole on April 1, 2011 at 5:04 PM

We didn’t hunt down muslims on the streets of the US and murder them after 18 Allah Akbar bellowing muslims murdered thousands on 9/11. They kept their freedoms of speech and religion despite mass murder.

We must not lose our freedoms because muslims will kill us for exercising them.

Terry Jones may be provocative, but so are the flag burning and the “death to the juice” signs. One group murders in their anger, one doesn’t. This does not mean the ones who don’t murder give up their rights to the “kill those who insult islam” crowd.

clnurnberg on April 1, 2011 at 5:04 PM

There was a great quote from a Christian writer not of the Terry Jones variety in anyway.

It was to this effect: Christians have repeatedly apologized for the Crusades, yet Muslims have not apologized for their equally bloodletting conquests across the Middle East before the Crusades.

I think that observation speaks volumes about this massacre.

mwbri on April 1, 2011 at 5:05 PM

If there were no Terry Jones, they’d have to invent him. And they would.

Remember how they had to add images they found on the ‘net to make the cartoons bad enough to gin up riots?

S. Weasel on April 1, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Exactly. Jones is a moron, but think about how afraid we are of saying or doing anything against the precious Mohamed or the Koran. This is ridiculous.Time to stand up against this insidious “Religion.”At least the violent parts, which seem to be most of it.

sandee on April 1, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Look everyone Rage Boy is back.

Seriously, Terry Jones is an a-hole, but he’s our a-hole, and the Muslim world needs to STFU. On any given Friday they’ll cursed the Jews, Christians and Western World in general. So enough with this crap.

My only regret is that Alexander the Great didn’t wipe out the population when he had the chance.

Lance Murdock on April 1, 2011 at 5:05 PM

But, like blatantblue said, Muslims do need to stop killing people because they are mad, upset or disrespected. It seems to me to be the same mentality that fills our prisons. “So and so made me do it.”

You can be upset without killing people.

matthew26 on April 1, 2011 at 5:00 PM

Then perhaps the west needs to show them that their temper tantrums have consequences, and I don’t mean a slap on the wrist. Those UN workers all had home countries, so what if all those home countries decided to address their problems with the Afghan citizens?

DFCtomm on April 1, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Wouldn’t a fatwa against the offending preacher along with a righteous beheading of he and all his family be a more logical approach? Just thinkin’ out loud here,..

a capella on April 1, 2011 at 5:05 PM

How come nobody cr@ps their pants at the thought of someone burning a Bible?

Oh right, because Christians don’t fly planes into buildings.

Left Coast Right Mind on April 1, 2011 at 5:06 PM

Have our ‘friends’ Hamid Karzai, the Afghans and the Pakistani government denounced the murders yet?

They were all hot and bothered about the burning of some paper but not the murder of two dozens innocent human beings – who were in their damn country to help them out?

catmman on April 1, 2011 at 5:06 PM

A more appropriate title for this piece would be:

UN and US still having trouble identifying “friends” and “foes”!!

landlines on April 1, 2011 at 5:06 PM

It has nothing to do with Terry Jones (who did something dumb) and everything to do with finding an excuse to hate or to stir up hate. I wish the press would start reporting it accurately. Instead they write as though the excuse for the violence is actually a real cause.

Farmer Brown on April 1, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Well heck, Norwegian Lutherans do this all the time when people burn The Bible.

/sarc

rbj on April 1, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Terry Jones is an idiot. He’s just as bad as the people who burn the flag.

“I know it won’t accomplish anything but burning the Koran makes ME feel good. So what if 12 people are murdered.”

NickDeringer on April 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Ok, so how bad is a person if he like call himself “allahpundit”? People should demand civilized behavior from muslims.

the_nile on April 1, 2011 at 5:08 PM

Terry Jones’ big mistake?

He didn’t request a grant from the NEA first.

Free expression clerics will NEVER forgive that heresy.

Terp Mole on April 1, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Mord on April 1, 2011 at 5:03 PM

Did I say he should be prevented? No. Stop straw manning.

blatantblue on April 1, 2011 at 5:11 PM

[Terry Jones] probably has 12 plus lives on his hands

No, no, no! The blood is on the hands of the murderers. He did not kill these people. He simply shined a light upon the horror that is Islam. If people do not stand up to Islam, far more will die in its name.

Vera on April 1, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Desecration of Christian, Hindu, Jewish and Buddhist symbols are regularly celebrated events throughout their Ummah.

Terp Mole on April 1, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Ironically none of the victims were Americans, as the Times claims that protesters settled on the UN compound only when they couldn’t find any of ours to tear apart.

Right! I guess Mazar-i-Sharif Airbase couldn’t be found by 20,000 Afghan idiots who live in the same town. Such bravery! 20,000 shitheads attack 25 UN workers, including 5 Gurkhas and several women, killing 12 and losing 5-8 of their own. I’m surprised the Gurkhas only killed 5 of the assholes before they fell. Perhaps there were insurgents amongst them with weapons after all.

Religion of Peace, my ass. These people disgust me. Screw them and the horse they rode in on.

Subsunk

Subsunk on April 1, 2011 at 5:12 PM

If you think Jones is responsible for this, then you would have to agree that a girl is guilty for being raped if she wears a short skirt into a bar.

redshirt on April 1, 2011 at 5:12 PM

“What are you willing to stop doing to avoid offending violent religious zealots?”

Nothing. They can all go f*** themselves.

joejm65 on April 1, 2011 at 5:14 PM

If you think Jones is responsible for this, then you would have to agree that a girl is guilty for being raped if she wears a short skirt into a bar.

redshirt on April 1, 2011 at 5:12 PM

And ironically enough, Muslims believe both these things to be true.

stefanite on April 1, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Terry Jones is an idiot. He’s just as bad as the people who burn the flag.

“I know it won’t accomplish anything but burning the Koran makes ME feel good. So what if 12 people are murdered.”

NickDeringer on April 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Couldn’t be wronger. I’ll grant that he shouldn’t burn the Koran just as a publicity stunt. But there’s nothing illegal about it, nor should there be.

Even so, all blame for deaths should be put on the killers. Don’t even bother blaming Terry Jones or anyone else. He didn’t make these people hunt down someone and kill them.

I’ll say it again: if someone is killed, the fault lies on the killers ONLY.

Anything else makes us subservient to their notions of right and wrong.

tom on April 1, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Still a stupid thing for him to do. Totally reckless.

blatantblue on April 1, 2011 at 4:59 PM

I offer the Howard Stern answer to the muzzies:

If you don’t like what you see on the TV or hear on the radio, change the channel or turn it off. Nobody forced a single muzzie to watch the burning of the koran. That means any that saw it did so voluntarily.

BobMbx on April 1, 2011 at 5:16 PM

In other news The Book of Mormon opened to rave reviews on Broadway.

rob verdi on April 1, 2011 at 5:16 PM

From the other thread:

All he did was give the left and radical Islam defenders another reason to restrict our free speech.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 4:46 PM

How are they restricting our free speech? I’m a bit perplexed by this one.

Erich66 on April 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM

For the past 2 years the left has been whining about hateful rhetoric that has gone too far. Palin and the Tea Party has been blamed for a nut case in Tuscon shooting Giffords, the left claims that the tea party incites riots although there is never any violence at a tea party rally, CAIR keeps complaining of non-existent hate crimes, condemnation of Rep. King and his hearing on Radical Islam, and on, and on, and on. Now this idiot Jones just gave the left another piece of propaganda for their mission to silence dissenting speech. Remember when our government pulled this little stunt?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Information_Analysis_Center

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM


“Burning the Koran is an insult to Islam and those who committed it should be punished,”

Nope, he’s an American and here it is not illegal, so get over it.

Tony737 on April 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Maybe I’m nuts, but so long as our boys are over there, I’d like my fellow citizens to cool it on the “Hey I’m gonna try to piss off as many people as possible with my childish display” actions.

If you think Jones is responsible for this, then you would have to agree that a girl is guilty for being raped if she wears a short skirt into a bar.

redshirt on April 1, 2011 at 5:12 PM

The aim of a girl walking in with a skirt isn’t to be raped. The aim of his burning was to inflame, irritate, stir up, etc. It was intended to garner attention.

There are Muslims over there that don’t hate us. There have been many Muslims that have fought beside our soldiers. Many people there that want the US’s involvement. People like Jones will simply make things harder for us.

blatantblue on April 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM

So let me get this straigth. A guy burns a book, a bunch of freaking animals KILLS people and cuts off people’s heads because of this and We are suppose to be upset over the guy that burned the book?

I think some people here are missing the evil in the world.

unseen on April 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Sorry I forgot this earlier, the Religion ‘O Peace ™.

Mason on April 1, 2011 at 5:18 PM

But again, too many Muslims kill people over nothing. Nothing!

blatantblue on April 1, 2011 at 5:19 PM

And ironically enough, Muslims believe both these things to be true.

stefanite on April 1, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Brilliant minds I see…

redshirt on April 1, 2011 at 5:19 PM

It sucks to have to come out and defend offensive and stupid free speech a la Terry. He is an ass but free speech is well worth defending. He hates the UN and will probably feel good that his actions led to their deaths but we are obliged to side with him over his right to free speech. It’s not comfortable but it isn’t difficult either. The Satanic Verses and Muhammed Cartoons were more worthy of defense than this but there is no point in having principles if they are only selectively adhered to.

lexhamfox on April 1, 2011 at 5:20 PM

Yes, this is simplistic. I know. But we’ve got huge problems domestically, and we need to pick our fights. This one’s over. Let’m rot. If we need to go back in five or ten years, at least we’ll have not spent the lives of our soldiers and G-d knows how much money on a wasted effort in the meantime.

F*ck’m. They deserve each other.

nukemhill on April 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Simple solution to a complex problem. I like it.

BobMbx on April 1, 2011 at 5:21 PM

Now this idiot Jones just gave the left another piece of propaganda for their mission to silence dissenting speech. Remember when our government pulled this little stunt?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Information_Analysis_Center

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Tell you what. when christians start cutting off people’s heads because they burned the bible call me until then STFU and go sit the freaking corner.

unseen on April 1, 2011 at 5:22 PM

Terry Jones didn’t kill anyone – and he’s not responsible for these 12 murders.

Oh yeah – he’s gonna get the blame from some shallow minded people who are so filled with self-loathing for their own democratic culture, which is one of the pinnacle achievements of mankind on this planet – that they’ll totally overlook the savages who actually carried out the murders.

The mullahs over there are manipulating the masses – and the masses seem to be too stupid to realize they’re being taken advantage of.

Whatever – I think we should have one big massive Koran burning day! Everyone burn a Koran!

I challenge anyone – if you saw someone burn a US flag and then some Tea Party guy got so angry he went out and killed 12 liberals – would you blame the guy who burned the flag?

Better yet – a real life scenario. Timothy McVeigh was pissed beyond belief about WACO and RUBY RIDGE – which is two places the Feds overstepped their bounds and killed people who should not have been killed.

Did we blame the US Government when McVeigh blew up the OK City Fed building? Nope – we did the right thing – and blamed McVeigh. Peace to his ashes.

HondaV65 on April 1, 2011 at 5:22 PM

Makes one wonder why we would even try to bring these”people?” out of the 4th century?They will never be democratic. Time to bring the troops home. I never thought I would say that, but under Obama, that seems to be our only alternative.Let them fight it out amongst themselves and let Allah sort them out.

sandee on April 1, 2011 at 5:22 PM

The aim of a girl walking in with a skirt isn’t to be raped. The aim of his burning was to inflame, irritate, stir up, etc. It was intended to garner attention.

There are Muslims over there that don’t hate us. There have been many Muslims that have fought beside our soldiers. Many people there that want the US’s involvement. People like Jones will simply make things harder for us.

blatantblue on April 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Don’t think that might be why a woman wears a short skirt?
Is it unreasonable to expect muslims to control themselves?
That seems to be what you are arguing.

redshirt on April 1, 2011 at 5:22 PM

Vera on April 1, 2011 at 5:00 PM

Exactly. The claim of certain Muslims that the punishment for an “infidel” who burns the Koran is prescribed by the Koran as Death is truly an idictment of the Koran by many of its own devotees. That the Koran instructs beleivers to kill in certain circumstances is the problem, not the creators of those circumstances. That’s why burning “Critcal Path” or the Torah don’t get people killed.

Smarten up, folks. The meeting of religious leaders over the destruction of one Koran thousands of miles away was convined for no other reason than to determine what kind of political offensive they could gin up to their advantage. It was the mullahs alone who set this mob upon these victims to be terminated with extreme prejudice.

The wussiness of some of the commentators is exasperating. Yes, Jones probably counted on some negative reaction from the Muslim world to prove a point, and maybe should have expected violence. But don’t be so naiive as to think the mullahs did not know the deadly consequences of their rabble rousing; in fact they counted on it. There will be no apologies from them, only further demands.

shuzilla on April 1, 2011 at 5:23 PM

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM

They can whine all they want. Whether we like it or not, the above groups can spew they’re propaganda. The difference is most here aren’t buying into it, but unfortunately you seem to be.

Erich66 on April 1, 2011 at 5:23 PM

‘Uncovered meat’ (not wearing a bedsheet) is a provocation for rape.

Burning a Koran is a provocation for random murder.

Cartoons are a provocation for riots, death threats, and murder.

Making a movie called Submission is a provocation for assassination (Theo Van Gogh).

Selling weapons to Israel is a provocation for incinerating 3,000 Americans.

Being raped is a criminal offense meriting a jail term.

Converting to Christianity is worthy of the death penalty.

Suspected of being a Jew got Lara Logan raped.

And I am supposed to give a damn about these people?
I am supposed to be sensitive to their feelings?

sharrukin on April 1, 2011 at 5:23 PM

It’s the Jews and G W ‘s fault

wheels on April 1, 2011 at 5:23 PM

yet again, Muslims are proven to be animials, savages and basic neanderthals. The guy burned a book, even if it is holy to you and you brutally murdered 20 completely innocent civilians helping your country.

Yup, and seems like we should ahve dropped an Atomic bomb on them for burning George Bush dolls again and again in the streets.

SDarchitect on April 1, 2011 at 5:20 PM

Never forget the Bin Laden and his right hand man, Bert, from Sesame Street poster. Nobody over there even noticed Bin Laden’s #2 guy was a sock puppet.

That, my friends, is who we’re dealing with.

BobMbx on April 1, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Well, I think this story should finally kill the politically correct fabrication that Islam is a religion of peace.

One individual out of 300+ million Americans burns a book, and some 20,000 Muslems in Mazar-i-Sharif, the provincial capital of Balkh province, a supposedly peaceful, quiet section of Afghanistan, riots and kills multiple Non-Americans in pure blood lust and hate.

The line between radical fundamentalist and a typical Muslim is apparently microscopically thin. It’s time to call a spade a spade. Muslims do not get along with non-Muslims of any creed or color. They fight with Hindus in India, Christians in the Philippines and Nigeria, Jews in Israel, and Westerners in general it seems. Muslims treat women horribly in a majority of Muslim countries. I don’t support a Hilter-like final solution for Islam, but I will not respect it any longer or defend its right to existence.

Decree all the fatwas you want. I’ve said it and I won’t take it back.

parke on April 1, 2011 at 5:23 PM

I

n other news The Book of Mormon opened to rave reviews on Broadway.

rob verdi on April 1, 2011 at 5:16 PM

Yet these same guys are not allowed by their own network – out of nothing but fear – to show ANY type of image of Muhammad on their tv show.

catmman on April 1, 2011 at 5:25 PM

Another from Mike Riggs: If Afghans started killing people in Afghanistan because women in U.S. have the right to choose, would that justify outlawing abortion here?

Heh.

misterpeasea on April 1, 2011 at 5:25 PM

It was intended to garner attention.

Wrong. It was intended to make a statement against Islam. Before his website was removed, I read it. Although the Pastor would not win any awards for eloquence, he was very well versed in the actual teaching of Islam.

He was making a strong point against teachings such as

“Quran (2:191-193) – “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]…and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.”

The general population of America is not aware of the truth about the teachings of Islam. They’ve bought into the “Religion of Peace” BS. How ever will they learn if we dare not speak?

Vera on April 1, 2011 at 5:26 PM

The victims were killed by weapons that the demonstrators had wrestled away from the United Nations guards

When is a guard not a guard?

yubley on April 1, 2011 at 5:26 PM

I’m sure a couple of the churches they burned had a bible or two in them.

MES401067 on April 1, 2011 at 5:27 PM

sharrukin on April 1, 2011 at 5:23 PM

nope.

unseen on April 1, 2011 at 5:28 PM

The general population of America is not aware of the truth about the teachings of Islam. They’ve bought into the “Religion of Peace” BS. How ever will they learn if we dare not speak?

Vera on April 1, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Blah blah blah so he knows about the Verse of the Sword, and maybe a little bit about alnaskhwalmansoukh. good for him. I’m not going to pat him on the back for making grandiose displays that add extra danger for our soldiers over there.

blatantblue on April 1, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Wasn’t the original reason to go into this hellhole was because Al Qaeda was there. Well hell, Al-Qaeda is our ally now in Libya. Let’s just leave these barbarians to themselves. I think a lot of our men and women in uniform would agree. They aren’t worth it to help them. I think our brave soldiers who we have lost in this campaign would also agree. They wouldn’t want their buddies lost either.

Hummer53 on April 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM

We need to face the hard fact that even the more moderate factions of Islam in the middle east aren’t really what we think of as moderate. I’m not even sure what the mission is anymore. Do we ever win or do we just keep expending blood and treasure in a never ending quagmire? I honestly don’t believe their is really anything we can do to make Islam and democracy coexist. As long as the most treasured mosque is filled with imans who incite riots and murder and that mosque is sanctioned by the government I really believe the mission is hopeless.

ldbgcoleman on April 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM

I’m sure that it has nothing to do with our One Dear Leader starting a war with another Muslim country.

But, like blatantblue said, Muslims do need to stop killing people because they are mad, upset or disrespected. It seems to me to be the same mentality that fills our prisons. “So and so made me do it.”

You can be upset without killing people.

matthew26 on April 1, 2011 at 5:00 PM

Well, they do recruit members from jails. At least that’s how Malcolm X joined the Nation of Islam.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM

I think there is enough stupidity to go around here. Jones is an idiot for burning the Koran..yes he had the right to do it..yes it was wrong for a mob to go out and kill people over it…but my guess is Jones knew that there was a very good chance something like that could and would happen and it seems he was fine with that.

And I am sure that there are people who will say this is more reason for us to leave the region, but then again that is exactly what AlQaida and the Taliban and the Islamists want.

I saw some pics today facebook someone had put together of Iran before the mullahs. There were pretty women in swim suits and men and boys driving fancy cars and looking totally western. Those young people were almost certainly Muslim…and in Iran today people like that have to hide. The war is not just between the Muslim world and the west, it is within the Muslim world..because people like this will get a lot of them killed too. It won’t only be Americans and UN workers who die. These fanatics are killing their own country.

Terrye on April 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM

Tell you what. when christians start cutting off people’s heads because they burned the bible call me until then STFU and go sit the freaking corner.

unseen on April 1, 2011 at 5:22 PM

WOW! Stay classy Unseen. Stay classy.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 5:30 PM

I’m not going to pat him on the back for making grandiose displays that add extra danger for our soldiers over there.

blatantblue on April 1, 2011 at 5:28 PM

So I guess we shouldn’t have aggravated the situation our soldiers were facing in World War Two either by making fun of the Germans?

Our enemies are going to try to kill us and if those who claim to be our friends start trying to kill us because some guy in Florida burned a book then they weren’t our friend. Better to face that truth now rather than later.

sharrukin on April 1, 2011 at 5:32 PM

An exit question for them via the Daily Caller’s Mike Riggs: “What are you willing to stop doing to avoid offending violent religious zealots?”

Well, if the Wisconsin legislature is any indication, we shouldn’t be afraid of doing anything. Even when there are zealots like Kate Windsel out there threatening to put little bullets into the heads of senators in that state. A zealot is a zealot, be they politically, or religiously, motivated. The only difference is their ideological starting point, but the end results are similar.

ted c on April 1, 2011 at 5:33 PM

No more American Blood and Treasure for shariah! Get our troops out of that evil cesspool of sub-animals now!!! Put General Petraeus in Leavenworth in place of LTC Lakin!

Heckle on April 1, 2011 at 5:26 PM

What?? Well, for one thing why lock up Patraeus…for another thing, the Taliban and AlQaida no doubt agree with you. They want us out, so that they can get back to what they were doing before Bush interrupted them after 9/11. And not all Muslims do stuff like this anyway. That is no excuse for the ones that do. I just think there are a lot of people in that part of the world that are either too scared or too brainwashed to stand up to these people. Just like all those Germans who pretended that Hitler and his friends were not crazy and dangerous.

Terrye on April 1, 2011 at 5:33 PM

I think there is enough stupidity to go around here. Jones is an idiot for burning the Koran..yes he had the right to do it..yes it was wrong for a mob to go out and kill people over it…but my guess is Jones knew that there was a very good chance something like that could and would happen and it seems he was fine with that.

Indeed

blatantblue on April 1, 2011 at 5:33 PM

How’s that personal freedoms thing meshing with Islam in America working out?

Death for blasphemy, there’s an opportunity for hate crimes legislation, maybe an amendment, to make sure you undesirables shut up of course.

Speakup on April 1, 2011 at 5:33 PM

nope.

unseen on April 1, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Unfortunately there are a lot of intimidated people in the west who think being nice and soothing to the crazies is the way to go.

sharrukin on April 1, 2011 at 5:34 PM

I’m not going to pat him on the back for making grandiose displays that add extra danger for our soldiers over there.

So what do you suggest? Do we just all go along with the complete and utter LIE that Islam is just a happy little religion that has been “corrupted” by a few misunderstanders of Islam?

What good does that do? Last I checked our troops were still being killed by these “misunderstanders”. A rational human being doesn’t go from “horray the Americans are here to help!” to “KILL EVERYONE DEATH TO THE WORLD!” because of some podunk pastor.

Mr. Sudden Jihad would have been on the front lines no matter what we do or don’t do. The more people who recognize this fact, the better. Maybe the completely batsh*t insane reaction to a book burning will wake people up.

Vera on April 1, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Blatant Blue, I ask you again, are you arguing that it is unreasonable to expect muslims to control themselves?
Because if you are, that is one of the most racist and demeaning attitudes I have ever seen expressed towards muslims in my life.
You argue that they are little different than animals.

redshirt on April 1, 2011 at 5:35 PM

They can whine all they want. Whether we like it or not, the above groups can spew they’re propaganda. The difference is most here aren’t buying into it, but unfortunately you seem to be.

Erich66 on April 1, 2011 at 5:23 PM

How is pointing out how their propaganda machine works akin to buying into the propaganda?

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 5:36 PM

Ugh, what happened to the good old days. We should burn down every building and all infrustructure they have and salt the earth so nothing grows there for centuries and then leave. These people are animals.

thphilli on April 1, 2011 at 5:36 PM

So what do you suggest? Do we just all go along with the complete and utter LIE that Islam is just a happy little religion that has been “corrupted” by a few misunderstanders of Islam?

No. I don’t think Islam is a great religion, but tell me how actions like Jones’ help our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

blatantblue on April 1, 2011 at 5:36 PM

The UN needs to just pull out of all thier humanitarian endeavors in muslim lands.

Let this animals kill each other.

I watched a video a few days ago of muslims beating some men to death in the streets all while filming it on thier cell phones.

What an amazing juxtoposition.

They dispise the western world, but if it wasn’t for the western world these savages would still be communicating with scrolls.

The disgust the hell out of me.

Thune on April 1, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee who has frequently called for a smaller U.S. presence in Afghanistan, said he was “saddened and angered” by the deaths.

“We and the Afghan people owe a debt of gratitude to the people who risk their lives to make Afghanistan a better place. Instead, an angry mob took out its rage on selfless public servants and innocent bystanders who had no connection to the desecration of a Koran by a radical figure in Florida. My thoughts and prayers are with the families of the victims and with all aid workers who put their lives on the line every day,” he said in a statement.

That’s how liberals juxtapose violence. Murder in the name of Islam are just misguided angry people. Whereas a guy burning a book is a true radical.

ButterflyDragon on April 1, 2011 at 5:37 PM

No. I don’t think Islam is a great religion, but tell me how actions like Jones’ help our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

blatantblue on April 1, 2011 at 5:36 PM

By waking people up to the truth of what Islam is and how it operates.

sharrukin on April 1, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Terry Jones burning a book = 12 people kinda randomly murdered by regular everyday followers of Islam (aka not radical fringe islamo terrorist types)…
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Religion of the Insane
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RalphyBoy on April 1, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Blatant Blue, I ask you again, are you arguing that it is unreasonable to expect muslims to control themselves?
Because if you are, that is one of the most racist and demeaning attitudes I have ever seen expressed towards muslims in my life.
You argue that they are little different than animals.

redshirt on April 1, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Go read the first post I made on here.

blatantblue on April 1, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Our enemies are going to try to kill us and if those who claim to be our friends start trying to kill us because some guy in Florida burned a book then they weren’t our friend. Better to face that truth now rather than later.

sharrukin on April 1, 2011 at 5:32 PM

The thing is Jones knew that this would make violence more likely and he knew that someone over there was more likely to die because of it..but he wanted to make a point..he and the mullahs both used this to make political points knowing full well that people could die.

The US is investigating American soldiers right now for the murder of Afghan civilians…that is just a handful of soldiers, but their actions make it more dangerous for other Americans who have to deal with Afghans every day. Add something like this and it just compounds the problems they face.

Yes, the people who did this awful thing are responsible for their actions and yes, the region is backward and their constant calls to violence are barbaric…but why pour gasoline on a fire? Jones was careless at the very least.

Terrye on April 1, 2011 at 5:40 PM

Obviously, these people wanted an excuse to commit murder. Being idiots, the best they could come up with is anger at some random nobody who is literally on the other side of the world.

They’re not just savage and evil, they’re also blindingly unbelievably mind-numbingly stupid.

sandberg on April 1, 2011 at 5:41 PM

How is pointing out how their propaganda machine works akin to buying into the propaganda?

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 5:36 PM

Simple, they’re propaganda is, or will be, that Jones is partly to blame for stirring things up. You’ve said the same at least half a dozen times now.

Erich66 on April 1, 2011 at 5:41 PM

The US is investigating American soldiers right now for the murder of Afghan civilians…that is just a handful of soldiers, but their actions make it more dangerous for other Americans who have to deal with Afghans every day. Add something like this and it just compounds the problems they face.

Don’t you understand, Terrye? We can’t be concerned with that. We have to burn Korans. Then we have to complain that Muslims aren’t helping us combat the traditionalists/jihadists/terrorists in their midst.

blatantblue on April 1, 2011 at 5:42 PM

That’s how liberals juxtapose violence. Murder in the name of Islam are just misguided angry people. Whereas a guy burning a book is a true radical.

ButterflyDragon on April 1, 2011 at 5:37 PM

That’s what I’ve been saying. Jones played right into the left’s hands. He’s an idiot.

mizflame98 on April 1, 2011 at 5:42 PM

BB, it helps our mission because we go to our Muslim alies and say “look what these savages have done in the name of your religion, you must speak out against it!” If they refuse, we know where they stand and we get the hell out.

Vera on April 1, 2011 at 5:42 PM

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