Reports: Obama secretly authorized CIA action in Libya, Al Qaeda may be looking to join rebels

posted at 5:12 pm on March 30, 2011 by Allahpundit

The authorization isn’t very recent, either. According to sources, it was “within the last two or three weeks.” Which is interesting for a bunch of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that coalition operations are only 12 days old. Was the CIA working on regime change before we’d even committed to the UN effort? Did Sarkozy and Cameron know about the CIA’s role when they signed onto the coalition or will they be blindsided by this? And what happens now to the political dynamics in Libya and abroad when Qaddafi starts screeching that he was right all along about the rebellion being a secret mission by the satanic crusader American government to blah blah blah blah?

Here’s a better question, actually. Why, oh why, is this being leaked? Reuters has no fewer than four U.S. officials confirming that the order was signed. Did they leak because they’re alarmed that the mission is quietly being escalated below the radar or are they coming clean about it as cover for Obama, so that he doesn’t look underhanded later if/when the fact of CIA involvement is discovered by the press? Better to get this info out when the mission is still young and people are still forming opinions about it than to surprise them later.

People familiar with U.S. intelligence procedures said that Presidential covert action “findings” are normally crafted to provide broad authorization for a range of potential U.S. government actions to support a particular covert objective.

In order for specific operations to be carried out under the provisions of such a broad authorization — for example the delivery of cash or weapons to anti-Gaddafi forces — the White House also would have to give additional “permission” allowing such activities to proceed.

Former officials say these follow-up authorizations are known in the intelligence world as “‘Mother may I’ findings.”…

Because U.S. and allied intelligence agencies still have many questions about the identities and leadership of anti-Gaddafi forces, any covert U.S. activities are likely to proceed cautiously until more information about the rebels can be collected and analyzed, officials said.

If I understand the article correctly, no “Mother may I” finding has been filed yet. He’s given the CIA the green light to conduct some sort of action, be it propaganda, funding, training, or beyond, but they’re still busy sizing up the rebels before jumping in. Which brings us to this bitter pill that’s just breaking at the Daily Beast. The fact that this story is coming out literally within an hour of Reuters’s story about the CIA order is making me woozy:

As the battle for the future of Libya continues, the excitement is almost palpable among Libyan-born al Qaeda fighters and other Arabs hunkered down in Pakistan’s remote and lawless tribal area. According to Afghan Taliban sources close to Osama bin Laden’s terrorist group, some of the 200 or so Libyans operating near the Afghan border may be on their way home to steer the anti-Gaddafi revolution in a more Islamist direction.

Now, as the White House and NATO continue to debate the possible ramifications of arming the Libyan opposition, the Haqqani network-linked Afghan commander says Libyan al Qaeda affiliates seem to be more “enthusiastic” about the war against Gaddafi every day. And from what the Afghan Taliban commander has seen, there appears to be more than “flickers” of al Qaeda’s presence in Libya, the description given by NATO commander Admiral James Stavridis. According to the Afghan commander, al Qaeda fighters can’t believe their good luck that U.S. and NATO aircraft—the same forces that have dropped bombs on their heads in Afghanistan and Pakistan—are now raining down ordnance against Gaddafi.

Eli Lake of the Washington Times reported last night that up to 1,000 “freelance” jihadis may already be among the Libyan rebels’ rank and file. If the movement’s hospitable to them, AQ might figure there’s a place for them too. Or maybe the AQ story is propaganda drummed up by the Taliban to embarrass the U.S. and inflate Al Qaeda’s role in this year’s Middle East turmoil. Supposedly, even most-wanted Libyan-born Al Qaeda kingpin Abu Yahya al-Libi might eventually head home to spearhead the new Islamist movement inside the country, although I tend to doubt it now that everyone knows that the CIA’s operating in the area.

If that’s not enough good news for you for one day, let’s try one more piece. This time it’s the AP’s turn to ring the alarm bell:

Fresh battlefield setbacks by rebels seeking to oust Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi are hardening a U.S. view that the poorly equipped opposition is probably incapable of prevailing without decisive Western intervention — either an all-out U.S.-led military assault on regime forces or a decision to arm the rebels.

Gadhafi is reaching deeper into his military ranks to send reinforcements onto the battlefield, has adopted new, unconventional tactics to counter the effects of coalition airstrikes, and apparently is convinced he can retain power by gradually retaking a degree of control of eastern Libya, a senior U.S. intelligence official said Wednesday. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence on the condition and capabilities of regime and rebel forces…

Helping propel the Gadhafi forces eastward was a change in battlefield tactics, the senior U.S. intelligence official said. Having seen much of their armor pounded by Western airstrikes earlier, Gadhafi commanders left many tanks and other armor in hiding places in Sirte and advanced eastward instead with small convoys of sedans, minivans, SUVs and other civilian vehicles that the official called “battle wagons” armed with small rockets and other weaponry.

In other words, knowing that his heavy weaponry was a target for NATO and also knowing that he could beat the rebels without it, Qaddafi decided to … beat them without it. Your move, coalition.

Needless to say, there’s precisely zero chance of Obama putting U.S. troops on the ground to oust Qaddafi, especially with fears growing about jihadist elements on the rebel side. It would mean the end of his presidency; even his, ahem, “anti-war” base, most of which has duly defended him for staging this intervention thus far, would desert him if American soldiers end up dying on the streets of Tripoli. So clearly, per O’s secret order, we’re going to start arming the rebels in earnest and doing what we can to force them to vet their own side for jihadis. In fact, maybe we’ll end up making a little trade with them: For each wanted terrorist they hand over, they get a few extra RPGs. It’ll be like a promotional giveaway.

I’ve got a few updates coming, but let’s stop here for the moment. My head is spinning.

Update: How dependent are the rebels already on western air cover for their advances? Quote:

By Tuesday afternoon, it was the rebels’ turn to flee again — in a tangled, panicked traffic jam of gun trucks and civilian cars — as Gaddafi’s forces pounded them once again with a barrage of missile fire and sniper shots. It was a familiar scene, and Bin Jawad may yet become a most familiar front line. “They hit us with a Grad missile,” says Ali Adel Sherif, 19, whose friend was carried into the emergency room in the nearby town of Ras Lanuf on a stretcher, his face and arms bloodied by shrapnel. “It came from behind us in the hills and we could hear sniper fire.”

There was another factor. While there were reports of allied air strikes, TIME saw no sign of fighter-jet support as incoming shells from Gaddafi’s loyalists rained down on the rebels. “Sarkozy betrayed us,” shouted one man on Tuesday afternoon, referring to the French President whose aircraft saved Benghazi from almost certain reconquest by Gaddafi last week. “There are no airplanes,” screamed another.

Well, no, technically, Sarkozy didn’t betray anyone. The point of the airstrikes according to the UN resolution is to protect civilians, not blow holes in Qaddafi’s front lines. Funny how even the guys on the ground are confused about that. More from AFP:

Panicked rebels called for air strikes as they fled in their hundreds eastwards through Uqayla, where they briefly regrouped, then on to Brega, where they also halted temporarily before charging to the main city of Ajdabiya, 120 kilometres away.

“We want two things: that the planes drop bombs on Kadhafi’s tanks and heavy artillery; and that they (the West) give us weapons so we can fight,” rebel fighter Yunes Abdelghaim told AFP.

The 27-year-old, who was holding a Russian AK-47 assault rifle and French flag, said it seemed as if the coalition had halted its air strikes for two days coinciding with a London conference on the Libyan crisis.

“We want the French to bomb the (Kadhafi) soldiers,” said another fighter, Ali Atia al-Faturi, as the sound of shelling and gunfire grew louder.

Update: Beaten to the punch by Reuters, the NYT files its own story about CIA agents operating inside Libya.

The Central Intelligence Agency has inserted clandestine operatives into Libya to gather intelligence for military airstrikes and make contacts with rebels battling Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s forces, according to American officials…

The C.I.A. presence comprises an unknown number of American officers who had worked at the spy agency’s station in Tripoli and those who arrived more recently. In addition, current and former British officials said, dozens of British special forces and MI6 intelligence officers are working inside Libya. The British operatives have been directing airstrikes from British Tornado jets and gathering intelligence about the whereabouts of Libyan government tank columns, artillery pieces, and missile installations, the officials said.

By meeting with rebel groups, the Americans hope to fill in gaps in understanding who the leaders are of the groups opposed Colonel Qaddafi, and what their allegiances are, according to United States government officials speaking only on condition of anonymity because the actions of C.I.A. operatives are classified. The C.I.A. has declined to comment.

What if they info they glean about opposition leaders indicates that they’ll be hostile to the U.S. once in power, might shelter terrorists, etc? Does that change our strategy going forward? Realistically it can’t: We’re not going to pull out after Obama’s rhetoric about preventing a massacre in Benghazi, no matter how distasteful and counterproductive to American aims some of the rebels might be.

Update: Here’s Paul Wolfowitz last night on CNN encouraging the White House to formally recognize the Libyan opposition, even though, er, the CIA apparently still isn’t done vetting them yet. It pains me to say it, but Tom Friedman may have identified the most crucial component of this war right now: Luck.

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Wake up Obama. Those arms we supply them with will end of being used to kill US Armed Forces later on.

portlandon on March 30, 2011 at 5:15 PM

end of

end up

portlandon on March 30, 2011 at 5:16 PM

Can we just wait for this all to be sorted out, then launch Libya into space?

fiatboomer on March 30, 2011 at 5:17 PM

even his, ahem, “anti-war” base, most of which has duly defended him for staging this intervention thus far, would desert him if American soldiers end up dying on the streets of Tripoli.

No they won’t. 97% of the anti-war base was really just anti-Bush. They weren’t making noise over Kosovo or Somalia, were they? The anti-war Left is just the Left, and when their guy is turning the meatgrinder, they’re fine with it.

hawksruleva on March 30, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Fitna!

blatantblue on March 30, 2011 at 5:20 PM

How about we launch Obama into space instead???

retiredeagle on March 30, 2011 at 5:21 PM

Arming rebels, striking tanks…blah blah.

Let’s cut the bull, save us regrets from arming AQ-linked rebels, and just send a Tomahawk into Gaddafi’s next known location.

amerpundit on March 30, 2011 at 5:21 PM

AQ has been salivating for this opportunity for quite some time

blatantblue on March 30, 2011 at 5:21 PM

Someone should really push the Smart Power button that the Democrats installed in the Situation Room in January 2009.

myrenovations on March 30, 2011 at 5:22 PM

Here’s a better question, actually. Why, oh why, is this being leaked? Reuters has no fewer than four U.S. officials confirming that the order was signed. Did they do that because they’re alarmed that the mission is being quietly escalated below the radar or are they coming clean about it as cover for Obama, so that he doesn’t look underhanded later if/when the fact of CIA involvement is discovered by the press?

Obama is not in charge of his Administration. That’s patently obvious. He is disconnected from world events, and has no desire to become involved…personally or presidentially. He’d rather kick a soccer ball around with a street urchin in a Brazilian barrio than concern himself with the first day of combat involving US forces…at his order.

So why the massive leak campaign? They are all saying “Obama signed it secretly weeks ago”. At best, he signed it last night or the day before, and the game is on to show he was way ahead of the game.

Its political cover for domestic and international consumption. The Dems can’t be the party of first truly failed US Presidency in modern history.

When you let the French beat you to the punch, it’s time to go on vacation.

Wait….thats exactly what he did……

BobMbx on March 30, 2011 at 5:22 PM

“Let me be clear…

… no US boots on the ground!”

Let us keep that quote handy for latter use…

Seven Percent Solution on March 30, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Just read this on AOL from Reuters. Looks like four Government sources could not stand the secrecy of Obama because he never revealed this in interviews or in his speech last night.

We are arming the Libya rebels some who are part of The Libyan Fighting Group (LIFG) who are part of the Al Qaeda operation. Terrorist group according to the State Department website. Embed reporter from Britain is the first person I read who broke the story of terrorists connections.

Two to three weeks ago he signed this order so that means Hillary and Obama in interviews did not reveal the truth as they were talking about maybe arming the rebels who they never bothered to check out. While they were spinning the authorization had already been signed. Rebels are a lot more dangerous than the ‘flickers’ talked about by the Vice Admiral according to reporters who were embedded. I sure believe them a lot more than this Administration. I am beginning to wonder if we should believe Gadhafi more than Obama who said he (Gadhafi) was fighting the rebels made up of Al Qaeda and drug smugglers.

PhiKapMom on March 30, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Someone should really push the Smart Power button that the Democrats installed in the Situation Room in January 2009.

myrenovations on March 30, 2011 at 5:22 PM

That button only give you cheap office supplies.

Oil Can on March 30, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Who would’ve thought within 10 years of 9/11 we’d elect a President named Barrack Hussein Obama who would ultimately send our troops to war in support of rebels fighting side by side with Al-Qaeda just before going on vacation to a foreign country!

JellyToast on March 30, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Anti-semitic Bay Of Pigs?

mjbrooks3 on March 30, 2011 at 5:27 PM

look, i suspect we have CIA types running around in lots of countries. that is no surprise.

but even from my perch in Lunenburg County VA (pop. 11,000, 1,000 of them incarcerated), I can figure that AQ was mixed up or was hoping to take advantage of this rebellion. (see Egypt).

so why can’t the White HOuse see this? or maybe they do…..

kelley in virginia on March 30, 2011 at 5:27 PM

He’s probably already selecting and second guessing bombing targets just like LBJ.

Django on March 30, 2011 at 5:27 PM

No they won’t. 97% of the anti-war base was really just anti-Bush. They weren’t making noise over Kosovo or Somalia, were they? The anti-war Left is just the Left, and when their guy is turning the meatgrinder, they’re fine with it.

hawksruleva on March 30, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Truth.

Django on March 30, 2011 at 5:28 PM

& I just heard on Beck that Obambi met with the Muslim Brotherhood years ago (when he was making his “healing” Cairo speech?).

hey 52%! are you catching on yet?

kelley in virginia on March 30, 2011 at 5:29 PM

Wake up Obama. Those arms we supply them with will end of being used to kill US Armed Forces later on.

portlandon on March 30, 2011 at 5:15 PM

On Obama’s planet, I believe that is known as a feature, not a bug.

hindmost on March 30, 2011 at 5:29 PM

What else were we supposed to do with all those weapons the Mexican drug lords didn’t want?

BlueCollarAstronaut on March 30, 2011 at 5:29 PM

I read this (i.e. leak) as an attempt by someone (i.e. Clinton) to make Obama appear weak and indecisive in how he’s approached Libya – or maybe stupid as well. Unless Daffy is taking a dirt nap (or working on his tan with Hugo) a month from now, then Obama will look like a fool – not that he doesn’t already just more so.

volnation on March 30, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Remind me again… Didn’t Dems like Frank Church and Ed Boland make this kind of stuff illegal 20+ years ago between restricting CIA activities and making it illegal to arm rebels?

teke184 on March 30, 2011 at 5:31 PM

I imagine I could be castigated for this but oh well.

Tunisia, Egypt, Bahrain, Yemen, Libya, Syria, even Saudi, are opportunities, they are opportunities paid for in American blood and treasure, though I have no fondness for his leadership the President should be using his office and his presence to drive these movements in the right direction. We shouldn’t just take a too bad so sad attitude and especially not because we disagree with Obama on so many other issues.

Yes there’s some good chance of a negative result, that was absolutely true in Afghanistan and Iraq too. Every action carries risk.

The fact is, without the effort even baby steps are impossible, so much can be accomplished amid the chaotic evolutionary clay that makes up that region, at this time, enough so that differences could be realized world wide or, negative consequences from inaction could be realized throughout the globe.

There was a time when we would relish this chance to mold oppressive states, which threaten everyone’s liberty, no matter how much we want to deny it, into free nations.

The geographic barriers are gone and its the harm done to our economic engine that has to be fixed, our prosperity has bettered the lives of people the world over.

Its a time to move forward not wait and hope in one hand and s**t in the other.

Speakup on March 30, 2011 at 5:31 PM

No they won’t. 97% of the anti-war base was really just anti-Bush. They weren’t making noise over Kosovo or Somalia, were they? The anti-war Left is just the Left, and when their guy is turning the meatgrinder, they’re fine with it.

hawksruleva on March 30, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Not just anti-Bush, but anti-American as well. I went to a few counter-protests a few years ago, and the anti-American left were just… vile.

hindmost on March 30, 2011 at 5:31 PM

No they won’t. 97% of the anti-war base was is really just anti-Bush. American

hawksruleva on March 30, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Hey hawk, are you OK with my suggestions?

oldleprechaun on March 30, 2011 at 5:31 PM

Some secret…

sandee on March 30, 2011 at 5:31 PM

Mission Creep (2 definitions)

1 An initial FUBAR which exponentially explodes into many nuclear-level FUBARS figuratively (and maybe literally) as one FUBAR leads to 2 to 4 to 8 etc.

2 A clueless head of state who blunders into international wars and other entanglements totally oblivious to the consequences of such rash actions. (Also see “Incompetent A–hole”, “Dumb F–k” and “Schizophrenic Empty Suit”.)

MaiDee on March 30, 2011 at 5:32 PM

Reports: Obama secretly authorized CIA action

I don’t know if it was really Obama? I have a feeling this buffoon has no clue what is happening. He may have signed the order, but for all he knew it was a Final 4 appearance on CBS.

angryed on March 30, 2011 at 5:33 PM

The anti-war Left is just the Left, and when their guy is turning the meatgrinder, they’re fine with it.

Excellent. Have not heard it put any better.

wkgdyw on March 30, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Before we headed to Afghanistan to tackle the terrorists there after the 9/11 attacks, the Leftist media were trumpeting that the Islamists were engaged in blowback for our arming the mujadaheen (sp?)in order to rout the Russians. They were using our weapons and military training against us.

Is this what we are doing in Libya now?

The “rebels” in Libya are just as unstable and just as much of a threat to the West as was/is Gadaffi. We are fools to fight on their behalf or arm them in any way. Let these hotheads sort out their own civil differences. With the religion both sides embrace, neither will be the victor in securing freedom for their people.

onlineanalyst on March 30, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Al Qaeda may be looking to join rebels

That makes it sound like al qaeda hasn’t been behind this from the start. Every Democrat war since Charlie Wilson’s War have been for the benefit of al qaeda and used al qaeda exclusively as the foot soldiers.

Buddahpundit on March 30, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Don’t wory. He has handed this off to NATO. He just told us so. But, say our guys are in there mixed with the rebels and the rebels start executing Gaddafi supporters. Who do we bomb to avoid a humanitarian crisis? Our guys?

a capella on March 30, 2011 at 5:35 PM

As the battle for the future of Libya continues, the excitement is almost palpable among Libyan-born al Qaeda fighters and other Arabs hunkered down in Pakistan’s remote and lawless tribal area. According to Afghan Taliban sources close to Osama bin Laden’s terrorist group, some of the 200 or so Libyans operating near the Afghan border may be on their way home to steer the anti-Gaddafi revolution in a more Islamist direction.

Lets give these guys a ride…..whoops!…looks like we miscalculated the fuel for this flight…sorry there’s only enough parachutes for the flight crew…enjoy those virgins, boys!……Geronimoooooo!

BobMbx on March 30, 2011 at 5:36 PM

Wake up Obama. Those arms we supply them with will end of being used to kill US Armed Forces later on.

portlandon on March 30, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Exactly!!! Once they achieve their goal of taking Libya, they will turn around, and quickly, and go after our guys. It’s like Obama’s gonna set our military up as ducks on a pond, with clipped wings.

capejasmine on March 30, 2011 at 5:37 PM

He’s helping AQ because he’s on their side against us.

SouthernGent on March 30, 2011 at 5:37 PM

It always looks good on paper, doesn’t it?

Then when the shooting begins and the war starts, everything falls apart.

As Eisenhower once said, “War will astonish you”.

Ya got that right.

SteveMG on March 30, 2011 at 5:37 PM

At what point do we just say f**k this and leave the Arabs to just kill each other without us taking sides? These are tribal wars that go back thousands of years. No matter what we do, they will continue for thousands of years. Nobody has ever explained to me why American soldiers need to die simply to sit in the middle of this never ending saga.

Enough’s enough.

angryed on March 30, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Mission Creep

aquaviva on March 30, 2011 at 5:38 PM

MaiDee on March 30, 2011 at 5:32 PM

Excellent analysis. You’re not looking for job, are you? I could use a straight-shooter instead of the dish-rags that get hired for me.

BobMbx on March 30, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Surely, we all knew there were / have been agents in there already.
And I didn’t expect it to be spoken about. Why should it ?
Maybe I’m just getting weary, but this doesn’t really set off any buzzers for me.

pambi on March 30, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Don’t worry guys, crr, PR and underceij will be here shortly for an in-depth policy discussion. They should clear up any concerns we have about Obama’s strategy in Libya.

…..

*crickets*

Good Solid B-Plus on March 30, 2011 at 5:41 PM

All of this for…Libya? I wouldn’t mind the drama if we were going after Iran or North Korea, but…Libya? The most surreal part is, we’re supporting Al-Qaeda. I wonder if this is diplomatic ‘smart power’? We support them, maybe they’ll curb the terror attacks? Sheesh. We’re sinking like a rock…

joejm65 on March 30, 2011 at 5:41 PM

When will the neocons learn. There are no “good guys” in that part of the world. Or for that matter, most anywhere else in the Third World. There are no humanitarian democratic movements. It is just cockroaches fighting cockroaches over the greater glory of filth. Picking sides is an exercise in realpolitik only. There is nothing altruistic about it. Forget all the highfalutin talk about freedom, liberty, and all that speech-written jazz. It’s all crap in light of reality.

keep the change on March 30, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Wake up Obama. Those arms we supply them with will end of being used to kill US Armed Forces later on.

portlandon on March 30, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Wow! You really think he cares about that?

God Bless you, seriously, because your heart is in the right place.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 30, 2011 at 5:43 PM

mujadaheen (sp?
onlineanalyst on March 30, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Close. Mujahadeen I believe is correct. I think you suffer from the same affliction as I do: digital dyslexia. lol

odat on March 30, 2011 at 5:43 PM

so why can’t the White HOuse see this? or maybe they do…..

kelley in virginia on March 30, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Oh, hell, Kelley. I fertilize lawns for a living and it was as plain as a yellow dandelion staring at you in the middle of an otherwise perfect greensward…

I guess W.F. Buckley was right – I would rather be governed by the first five hundred names in the Boston telephone directory.

turfmann on March 30, 2011 at 5:45 PM

So the 3 biggest sins of Bush were wars, deficits and secrecy. Obama was going to fix that.

My question is to the remaining 3-4 members of Obama’s Hot Air kneepad brigade: how are we doing so far?

Chuck Schick on March 30, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Our first Anti-American President strikes again.

kingsjester on March 30, 2011 at 5:46 PM

How effective are these “intelligence” sources of ours if they have not been aware of the infiltration of jihadists and AlQaeda members among the “rebels”? Have our Senate Intelligence Committee members been briefed over the hijinks that have been going on behind the scenes in Libya?

onlineanalyst on March 30, 2011 at 5:48 PM

There was a time when we would relish this chance to mold oppressive states, which threaten everyone’s liberty, no matter how much we want to deny it, into free nations.

The geographic barriers are gone and its the harm done to our economic engine that has to be fixed, our prosperity has bettered the lives of people the world over.

Speakup

Bold but wrong none the less.

No, there was a time when nation-building was considered a bad thing. Bush 43 made a point of it during the 2000 election. For better or worse, we have two examples of why it is too costly, too difficult, and far beyond in what US citizens are willing to invest. Afghan and Iraq aren’t examples of what we should be looking to replicate. They are examples, while justified at the time, of how not to prosecute conflicts in tribal nation states where the dominant culture is Islamic.

No effort by any Western nation is going to be able to change a tribal Islamic area into a model state. There is no amount of money or blood that can do that. These are the lessons of Afghan and Iraq. Foreign governments can’t remake these countries into Western democracies. It can’t be done.

Furthermore, our efforts will never be appreciated or repaid in any way except resentment. If there is no immediate interest to the US then we should not be rolling the dice on overt military action.

chimney sweep on March 30, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Forget all the highfalutin talk about freedom, liberty, and all that speech-written jazz. It’s all crap in light of reality.

keep the change on March 30, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Yes, because Liberty should be guarded jealously and doled out stingily.

Not sure, but I think Thomas Jefferson might have said that.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 30, 2011 at 5:48 PM

There’s a creep involved alright.

RBMN on March 30, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Don’t worry, Professor Barry is negotiating with the Libyan rebels to reduce their CO emissions by 35% by 2028.

Little Boomer on March 30, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Speakup on March 30, 2011 at 5:31 PM

Consider yourself castigated.

One can certainly hope for a different result, although history has been consistently clear that those in North Africa and the Middle East care only about what Dr. Zhudi Jassar describes as “Political Islam.” Secular democracy is culturally and politically foreign to them. It would be easier to change a Leopard’s stripes.

BigAlSouth on March 30, 2011 at 5:56 PM

There’s a creep involved alright.

RBMN on March 30, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Yep.

Don’t worry, Professor Barry is negotiating with the Libyan rebels to reduce their CO emissions by 35% by 2028.

Little Boomer on March 30, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Every time someone calls him a professor I get a little nauseated.

clnurnberg on March 30, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Why, oh why, is this being leaked

Hurt ego. Obama is being accused of being Sarkozy’s poodle.

Don’t you remember this?

British soldiers reportedly detained as battles continue to rage across Libya
From: NewsCore March 06, 2011 4:41PM

I’d guess the Brits weren’t the only ones on the ground in Libya.

Texas Gal on March 30, 2011 at 5:58 PM

chimney sweep on March 30, 2011 at 5:48 PM

It has been done. Nearly all of the democracy in South America and much of Africa is the result of our meddling.

Speakup on March 30, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Change. By this time in 2003, the media was already screaming quagmire!Quagmire! QUAGMIRE!!!!!!!

JavelinaBomb on March 30, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Al-Q and O-B. Brothers.

Key West Reader on March 30, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Needless to say, there’s precisely zero chance of Obama putting U.S. troops on the ground to oust Qaddafi, especially with fears growing about jihadist elements on the rebel side.

That may be true, AP, but Ann Compton from ABC News told the hosts of a local radio talk show that the U.S. alone is responsible for the rescue of pilots from any downed military craft. That is ‘boots on the ground’.

ladyingray on March 30, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Needless to say, there’s precisely zero chance of Obama putting U.S. troops on the ground to oust Qaddafi

Bull.

katy the mean old lady on March 30, 2011 at 6:00 PM

the same Al Qaeda that we need to go get molested or go through radiation chambers that the airport for?

Sooo we are going to support we are supporting these guys and at the same time get terror warnings here about them setting off nukes.

Sound like a plan.

Octavia on March 30, 2011 at 6:01 PM

BigAlSouth on March 30, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Oh ye of so little faith, baby steps, none with guarantees none without the possibility of back slide but driving without fail, forward.

Speakup on March 30, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Does this mean he got up there the other night and lied straight to our faces-again?

Impeach this scum bag.

Did anyone watch Beck today? Obama meet with the Muslim Brotherhood in 2009 and talked about Democracy in Egypt and the rest of the Middle East. Cass Sunstein, his wife (head of Human Rights Watch(?)(funded by Soros)) along with Soros started this plan back then.

This is just disgusting. I pray for Israel and the world in general.

NTWR on March 30, 2011 at 6:01 PM

So did anyone tell Obama about this, or did they just slip it into to his daily stack of stuff to sign, perhaps between a new autobiography and an order for brewing supplies?

pedestrian on March 30, 2011 at 6:02 PM

I think we all knew there had to be something going on the past month regarding Libya…but the CIA? Sheesh. Didn’t think The One had it in him.

And Al-Q is exactly the reason we need not go arming the rebels…I doubt even the CIA could figure out for sure which rebel factions would win, and be US-friendly.

JetBoy on March 30, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Change. By this time in 2003, the media was already screaming quagmire!Quagmire! QUAGMIRE!!!!!!!

JavelinaBomb on March 30, 2011 at 5:59 PM

giggety

JetBoy on March 30, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Oh, jeez, Wally!

Barack is sending arms to the same people who are Best Friends Forever with Osama Bin Laden?

Who woulda seen THAT coming?

Hyunchback on March 30, 2011 at 6:13 PM

So what exactly do we think the CIA is doing in Libya? They aren’t there to whack Qaddafi so I would think they are assessing the rebels, or trying to recruit tribal leaders from Qaddafi’s side.

Doesn’t strike as that shocking, or relevant.

sharrukin on March 30, 2011 at 6:14 PM

Why would the Left be outraged by this? It’s the complete opposite of the kind of military action we opposed in Iraq. Here there’s an imminent threat to both the stability of the region and the citizens of the Libyan nation, and we have broad international support.

crr6 on March 19, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Del Dolemonte on March 30, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Speaking as one who has been there…it is damn near impossible to fight a covert war overtly, especially when desk jockeys in DC spill their guts to the press…or a President keeps talking about it.

A “Finding” is a classified document, usually if not always “Top Secret” and entails items, events and activities that if disclosed can cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security.

Part deux is that once a finding is approved it is usually not normal to intermesh such with overt activities like sending the Marines across the beach and announcing one’s intentions in the press with a long convoluted speech.

My God, what are they thinking in Washington these days??

coldwarrior on March 30, 2011 at 6:18 PM

What a mess. Obama is going to be hoist with his own petard of trying to play all the ends against the middle as he seeks to vote present. Some aspect of this will fall apart–there are too many contradictory pieces.

INC on March 30, 2011 at 6:18 PM

I am waiting for the irony or ironies in this Libyan rebellion lead by al Qaeda – that the leader of the rebels in Libya is Osama bin Laden….and the US is supplying him weapons…

albill on March 30, 2011 at 6:18 PM

I’m wondering. Are we seeing the effects of a little narcissistic rage?
Let’s revisit the issue:
From MayoClinic.Com
http://www.bing.com/health/article/mayo-126339/Narcissistic-personality-disorder?q=narcissistic+personality+disorder

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration. Those with narcissistic personality disorder believe that they’re superior to others and have little regard for other people’s feelings. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

Criteria for narcissistic personality disorder to be diagnosed include:

* Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance
* Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power or beauty
* Believing that you are special and can associate only with equally special people
* Requiring constant admiration
* Having a sense of entitlement
* Taking advantage of others
* Having an inability to recognize needs and feelings of others
* Being envious of others
* Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner
From Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
. They constantly use “I”, “me” and “my” when they talk.
. They love to delegate work, and then interfere by micromanaging it. If it goes well they take the credit (plagiarism); if it goes badly, they blame the person they delegated it to.
Narcissistic Wound or Injury:Narcissistic wound: A repeated or recurrent identical or similar threat (real or imagined) to the narcissist’s grandiose and fantastic self-perception (False Self) as perfect, omnipotent, omniscient, and entitled to special treatment and recognition, regardless of his actual accomplishments (or lack thereof).
Which leads to …..Narcissistic Rage
Now… Narcissistic Rage: From Wiki

Kohut’s explanation of narcissistic rage and depression stated, “depressions are interrupted by rages because things are not going their way, because responses are not forthcoming in the way they expected and needed.” He went further to say that narcissists may even search for conflict to find a way to alleviate pain or suffering in his book The Analysis of the Self.[27]

When the narcissist’s grandiose sense of self-worth is perceived as being attacked by another person (typically in the form of criticism), the narcissist’s natural reaction is to rage and pull down the self-worth of others (to make the narcissist feel superior to them). It is an attempt by the narcissist to soothe their internal pain and hostility, while at the same time rebuilding their own self-worth. Narcissistic rage should not be confused with anger (although the two are similar), and is not necessarily caused by a situation that would typically provoke anger in an individual.[28] Narcissistic rage also occurs when the narcissist is perceptibly being prevented from accomplishing their grandiose fantasies.[29]

Alternatively, according to Kohut, rages can be seen as a result of the shame at being faced with failure.[30] Narcissistic rage is the uncontrollable and unexpected anger that results from a narcissistic injury – a threat to a narcissist’s self-esteem or worth. Rage comes in many forms, but all pertain to the same important thing, revenge.

Let me see…. loss of the House last elections. Other losses in elections throughout the states. Poll numbers dropping. 2012 not looking so good.
Obama on March 11: Mr. Obama has told people that it would be so much easier to be the president of China. As one official put it, “No one is scrutinizing Hu Jintao’s words in Tahrir Square.”

Sorry for the long post again. Thought it worth the effort though.

JellyToast on March 30, 2011 at 6:20 PM

Commander-In-Creep.

Mission __________ [fill in the blank].

profitsbeard on March 30, 2011 at 6:20 PM

This has Haliburton and Dick Cheney’s fingerprints all over it. Do I need the sarcasm here?

hip shot on March 30, 2011 at 6:21 PM

mujadaheen (sp?
onlineanalyst on March 30, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Easty way to remember …. mu jihad een

coldwarrior on March 30, 2011 at 6:22 PM

The response from the neocons is a tad creepy… rah rah rah, Obama.

MeatHeadinCA on March 30, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Sorry for the long post again. Thought it worth the effort though.

JellyToast on March 30, 2011 at 6:20 PM

You’re certainly thorough! ;)

JetBoy on March 30, 2011 at 6:29 PM

This thing started out as a clusterf!ck, and it’s only gotten worse.

Vyce on March 30, 2011 at 6:30 PM

It has been done. Nearly all of the democracy in South America and much of Africa is the result of our meddling.

Speakup

Yes, both realms of democracy and dynamism for sure.
Or, not.

Besides, the US has had very little to do with Africa. For that continent of misery you’re going to have to give ‘credit’ to Belgium, England, France, and the Netherlands.

chimney sweep on March 30, 2011 at 6:31 PM

This has Haliburton and Dick Cheney’s fingerprints all over it. Do I need the sarcasm here?

hip shot on March 30, 2011 at 6:21 PM

The Left has discovered that the Halliburton Dog won’t Hunt any more. After all, their Sugar Daddy George Soros bought $62 million worth of that evil corporation several years ago.

Del Dolemonte on March 30, 2011 at 6:34 PM

It has been done. Nearly all of the democracy in South America and much of Africa is the result of our meddling.

Speakup on March 30, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Do tell. I was unaware that we had liberated Togo and Venezuela.

Del Dolemonte on March 30, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Watch Lord of War. Just because Obama has authorized it does not mean it was not already being done from day one.

Blood Oil is the new name for Blood Diamonds. Crude Oil sold in a real barrel for a AK-47. That was made in Mexico for American contractor, from Russia design, sold to Egypt then sold to Yemen, then sold to AQ in Libya. And used to shot whoever as they supplied both sides.

tjexcite on March 30, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Presidential finding

Gun-walking- “see how far they go”- told to agent who questioned the policy

CIA agents etc on the ground weeks ago

Thought I was adding 2+2= 5 when I first mentioned my idea a week ago, but now, I think I am on target.

journeyintothewhirlwind on March 30, 2011 at 6:40 PM

Stuart Varney, last night

Barackingham Palace

Obama is about as ‘smart’ as, and behaves like, the royals.

Schadenfreude on March 30, 2011 at 6:42 PM

But if this war is really nothing more than the narcissist lashing out in a narcissistic rage to soothe his narcissistic injuries…. why target Libya? Perhaps because it’s the only thing he can get away with targeting?

The pacific mask crumbles when the narcissist has become convinced that the very people he purported to speak for, his constituency, his grassroots fans, the prime sources of his narcissistic supply – have turned against him. At first, in a desperate effort to maintain the fiction underlying his chaotic personality, the narcissist strives to explain away the sudden reversal of sentiment. “The people are being duped by (the media, big industry, the military, the elite, etc.)”, “they don’t really know what they are doing”, “following a rude awakening, they will revert to form”, etc.

When these flimsy attempts to patch a tattered personal mythology fail – the narcissist is injured. Narcissistic injury inevitably leads to narcissistic rage and to a terrifying display of unbridled aggression. The pent-up frustration and hurt translate into devaluation. That which was previously idealized – is now discarded with contempt and hatred.

This primitive defense mechanism is called “splitting”. To the narcissist, things and people are either entirely bad (evil) or entirely good. He projects onto others his own shortcomings and negative emotions, thus becoming a totally good object. A narcissistic leader is likely to justify the butchering of his own people by claiming that they intended to kill him, undo the revolution, devastate the economy, or the country, etc.

Sam Vaknin ( samvak.tripod.com ) is the author of Malignant Self Love – Narcissism Revisited and After the Rain – How the West Lost the East.http://www.dailynewarticles.com/article/354/5915/Narcissistic_Leaders.html

I think we’re all looking for sane reasons for what Obama is doing in Libya. Perhaps there really is none.

JellyToast on March 30, 2011 at 6:44 PM

“Best and brightest administration evah!” Maybe we should drop their asses in the front lines.

GarandFan on March 30, 2011 at 6:47 PM

Ground troops in Libya T-minus 14 days and counting.

Rambotito on March 30, 2011 at 6:55 PM

First link in the post, ‘the last two or three weeks’ has already been removed; you get a ‘page not found’ error.

manofaiki on March 30, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Allah, you put your post up at 5:15 your time: I checked the link at 6:03 my time and it had already been taken down by then.

manofaiki on March 30, 2011 at 7:07 PM

Stuart Varney, last night

Schadenfreude on March 30, 2011 at 6:42 PM

Varney debated embarressed Juan Williams on Hannity’s radio show today. They are both going to be on Hannity’s show tonight. WWE Smackdown!!!!

ladyingray on March 30, 2011 at 7:07 PM

PS – my time zone is CST.

manofaiki on March 30, 2011 at 7:08 PM

I really, really hope somebody captured that page, either cache or screenshot. Because once Reuters figured out what they were helping to reveal there, that page came down awful fast.

manofaiki on March 30, 2011 at 7:10 PM

The last time we assisted a Muji rebellion they sent us kind regards on September 11, 2001.

bloviator on March 30, 2011 at 7:31 PM

Holy Cambodian bombing, Batman. Can you say Phoenix Program? Barry is looking more Nixonian with each passing day. Hey lefties, I was mistaken. He’s not Bush, he’s Nixon.

JimP on March 30, 2011 at 7:31 PM

AlQaida is parasitic. They will go where ever they can gain an advantage or hide. You could just as easily make the point that if the US is not involved at all in Libya then AlQaida will use it like they used Afghanistan or Somalia back in the 90s. They navigate to failed states..of course when there is a possibility of making in roads with the rebels or getting weapons they will come into Libya no matter what..that is what they do..they use people. And the rebels are not homogeneous or well trained..I don’t think most of them are that radical at all, they just want Gaddafi gone. That is understandable considering what a thieving crazy man he is. I doubt that the rebels can make AlQaida go away without help from the outside, anymore than they can make Gaddafi go away all on their own.

No matter what you do when it comes to this part of the world, there is the danger of making things worse. Never fails.

Terrye on March 30, 2011 at 7:35 PM

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