Michael Barone on Wisconsin: Has the tea party given up?

posted at 9:49 pm on March 29, 2011 by Allahpundit

It’s not just Wisconsin. John Kasich in Ohio and Tom Corbett in Pennsylvania have seen their ratings sour too. But with Walker’s polls now negative and the state supreme court election next week looking like a bellwether for left/right grassroots enthusiasm, he’s wondering if the moment has passed.

In addition, both parties have threatened to recall at least some of the other side’s state senators. Recall petitions are being circulated and require relatively few signatures.

The IWV poll says that voters would oppose recalling Democratic state senators by 60 to 38 percent but oppose recalling Republicans by only 52 to 43 percent.

There’s an assumption by many Republicans, seemingly shared by Walker, that voters settled these issues definitively in the November elections. But the IWV poll suggests that voters are not necessarily well-informed and have been swayed by those who frame the issue as collective bargaining “rights.”…

Given their druthers, voters oppose tax increases and spending cuts. But they’re responsive to the message that in these hard economic times it’s not possible to have all good things.

They have seen that vast spending increases haven’t generated jobs and they understand that tax increases can choke a sputtering economic recovery. Given the facts, they understand that public employee unions inflate spending, reduce accountability and operate as a mechanism for the involuntary transfer of taxpayer money to one political party.

The press won’t make that case. Republicans and Tea Partiers need to do it themselves.

Well, look. Victory in the midterms was bound to cool some people’s ardor. Conservatives were irate over unchecked Democratic governance, and now there’s a check in the form of a Republican House, so the temperature had to come down. The difficulty here isn’t convincing grassroots righties that they need to get their message out 24/7, it’s figuring out how to raise that temperature again to the point where people are out in the streets, knocking on doors, volunteering, organizing, donating, and so forth. Candidly, I don’t know how you do it; the best fuel is anger, but having just won a major legislative victory in Wisconsin — imperiled though it may be — some conservatives just may not be feeling the rage right now, no matter how vicious or intimidating the left tries to be. To see just how vicious, have a look at the sort of sleazy attack ads they’re running against Wisconsin Justice David Prosser. Not only is Politifact calling them on it, but even one of the victims in the case is so disgusted that he wants the ad pulled. Here’s Mark Levin from tonight’s show interviewing Prosser and putting the word out about how high the stakes are in this election. If you’re in Wisconsin, please start calling friends and tell them: Vote, vote, vote, vote, vote. Click the image to listen.


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Sometimes doing the right thing is hard and unpleasant. I hope they can get the message out to continue the fight.

kim roy on March 29, 2011 at 9:52 PM

My family voted by absentee a few weeks ago. I’ve been on the phone with my family to get out and vote,they should have no excuse.

Brat4life on March 29, 2011 at 9:53 PM

ROFL…What does the establishment expect? they attack our leaders, they fail to give them a seat at the table, they fail to defend us during a blood libel. they push RINos on us for the GOp nomination. they lock out the TEA party form any House leadership positions. They allow the media to nonstop paint us as right wing nutcases.

And now when the chips are down they wonder where we are? screw the gop they can twist in the wind.

unseen on March 29, 2011 at 9:53 PM

If democrats walking out and those turds over-taking the capitol doesn’t fire people up, then…

SouthernGent on March 29, 2011 at 9:54 PM

************Waiting for the Cavalry to arrive***********

Charge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE1huPYerp0

canopfor on March 29, 2011 at 9:54 PM

Isn’t the chairman of the RNC from Wisconsin? Couldn’t he pony up a bit or steer some donors that way so his state doesn’t go to hell in a handbasket?

If the bill gets reversed and the Senate goes, that’s it. Game over. Because that means that the institutional left can overcome a Republican executive, a Republican legislature, and a Republican judiciary. No matter how well we do, they will destroy us.

Godspeed, Florida. Godspeed, Ohio. Godspeed, Michigan. Now that Wisconsin’s under fire, it’s up to you guys to smash the unions to pieces.

KingGold on March 29, 2011 at 9:55 PM

Let me channel Rove here. Fine they the RINOs know how to lead and know how to excite the base. Let’s see them go to Wis and show the Tea party how to organize and get out the vote.

unseen on March 29, 2011 at 9:56 PM

You mean people aren’t super excited about the reality of spending cuts? I’m shocked.

None of this means anything until the actual results start to manifest themselves. The states that are being responsible now will be OK while the junkie states will implode.

forest on March 29, 2011 at 9:57 PM

If you’re in Wisconsin, please start calling friends and tell them: Vote, vote, vote, vote, vote.

All my friends are crazy lefties, so I’m keeping my mouth shut and hoping they all just miss it. Meanwhile my husband has already sent his ballot from Iraq where he is pretty sure he is the only one who bothered. I can’t tell what the mood in the state is right now living in Madison where it is all “Solidarity” all the time so I’m pretty worried. What are other people seeing in other parts of the state?

sammypants on March 29, 2011 at 9:57 PM

The people need to taste sweet collapse.

artist on March 29, 2011 at 10:00 PM

Where is the RNC?

Mark1971 on March 29, 2011 at 10:00 PM

The Greater Wisconsin Committee
********************************

Policy Agenda
————–

Health Care Reform
Tax Fairness
Environmental Protection
Quality Public Schools
Ethics in Government
Social and Economic Justice

STOP WALKER’S BUDGET!
Scott Walker’s budget is devastating to Wisconsin. Help us stop it by adding your name to the petition.

http://www.greaterwisconsin.org/

canopfor on March 29, 2011 at 10:00 PM

the entire movement has fizzled, and will continue to fizzle once 2012 elections are finished.

listen folks, you can only maintain this level of anger for so long. nothing makes you guys happy. we’ve got tons of tea partiers in congress, and no matter what Boehner does, he’s still enemy #1. you can only carry that on for so long before you wear out. you have no structure to your ‘party’, and no game plan, other than be extremely angry from one election to the next and make threats that you “ARE WATCHING CAREFULLY!11!!1!!!”

i’ve said the tea party won’t last for at least a year now. when told to put up or shut up, you shut up. plain and simple.

but good luck being pissed at everyone who doesn’t do exactly what you want them to do.

NoStoppingUs on March 29, 2011 at 10:01 PM

Scott Walker “My Wisconsin”
****************************

http://www.greaterwisconsin.org/scott-walker-animated-my-wisconsin.htm

canopfor on March 29, 2011 at 10:02 PM

Where is the RNC?

Mark1971 on March 29, 2011 at 10:00 PM

hey leave them alone. they are working full time to get Beck off the air and see to it Palin doesn’t run. Their hands are full.

unseen on March 29, 2011 at 10:02 PM

I think the Democrats are taking back Wisconsin. It’s sad but people are idiots. Good luck with the unions and big government.

taney71 on March 29, 2011 at 10:03 PM

The difficulty here isn’t convincing grassroots righties that they need to get their message out 24/7, it’s figuring out how to raise that temperature level again to the point where people are out in the streets, knocking on doors, volunteering, organizing, donating, and so forth. -AP

Once a week AP reads something, and realizes we’re doomed, then promptly forgets.

DFCtomm on March 29, 2011 at 10:04 PM

you know if only we had a leader to rally the people. A leader that lead the Tea party to victory after victory in the fall of 2010. A leader to stand up and go strong.

unseen on March 29, 2011 at 10:05 PM

I think Nationally the TEA Party is just as disgusted with the GOP as they are with the Dems. In WI that should not be the case though, their Republicans just stood up and did a great thing under tremendous pressure. I sure hope they wake up and get out the vote for the right judge.

bluemarlin on March 29, 2011 at 10:05 PM

The Left,with THEIR PROGRESSIVE PRESIDENT
are/have been/still/always will be in a
FULL-BLOWN WAR,

to mold,switch,CHANGE AMERICA,into their VERSION/BELIEFS!!

The end,will be Original Land of the Free/Brave America,

or,

Progressive/UN/Ero-America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on March 29, 2011 at 10:06 PM

you know if only we had a leader to rally the people. A leader that lead the Tea party to victory after victory in the fall of 2010. A leader to stand up and go strong.

unseen on March 29, 2011 at 10:05 PM

A leader who will lose thirty-five states and send the Republican Party into darkness for a decade.

KingGold on March 29, 2011 at 10:07 PM

Not only is Politifact fact-checking the left on it, but even one of the victims in the case is so disgusted by it that he wants the ad pulled.

And rather than taking the high road and pulling the ad after David Prosser asked JoAnne Kloppenburg about the ad during their debate, she excuses the ad as out of her control… not even willing to ask the sponsors to pull it.

This woman is a piece of work, her only court experience a state lawyer for the DNR whose only obligation is to the Green Party Liberals.

WhoU4 on March 29, 2011 at 10:09 PM

A leader who will lose thirty-five states and send the Republican Party into darkness for a decade.

KingGold on March 29, 2011 at 10:07 PM

yeah I think Mitt should stay home too. but I never thought of him as a leader.

unseen on March 29, 2011 at 10:10 PM

What a bunch of whiners you Hot Airheads are! Jeez.

Being a tea party member is about twice as hip these days as a late-90s Ford Taurus.

Accept reality: Conservatism is dying, as I have long predicted, because your economic policies have to be proved substance-free, and more about angry white male menopause than proven economics.

Chris Christie was your big fat infuriated savior, and no one likes him any more in New Jersey. Hahahaha.

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:11 PM

If you’re in Wisconsin, please start calling friends and tell them: Vote, vote, vote, vote, vote.

Even with 5 votes per Tea Partier it’ll be tough.

The Donks have had years to perfect thier cheatin’….

Bruno Strozek on March 29, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Union violence/threat of violence…?

d1carter on March 29, 2011 at 10:12 PM

That’s precisely what I was afraid of – a repeat of early-2002.

steveegg on March 29, 2011 at 10:12 PM

It will take collapse. There doesn’t seem to be the will to make the changes that need to be made.

Revenant on March 29, 2011 at 10:14 PM

Judge Prossers Apponent
=============================
From (WEAC)Website

April 5 election
WEAC members recommend JoAnne Kloppenburg for State Supreme Court
******

Assistant Attorney General Kloppenburg has been with the Wisconsin Department of Justice since 1989.
Instructor at UW Law School since 1990.
Former intern for Chief Justice Shirley Abrahamson.
Former law clerk for Barbara Crabb, Chief Judge of United States District Court.
Former Peace Corps volunteer.
Honors graduate of the University of Wisconsin Law School
Undergraduate degree from Yale University, also with honors, and a Master’s in Public Affairs from Princeton University.
She and her husband, Jack, are parents of two daughters and a son.
——-
Kloppenburg was recommended through the WEAC Candidate Recommendation Process, in which members decide through balloting which candidate to recommend.

http://www.weac.org/Issues_Advocacy/Legislative_Resources/Support_Our_Union/vote_april5.aspx

======================================

Btw,I’ll say it again,remember Elana Kagen to SCJOTUSA,
now,in hindsight,thats way I was alarm bell ringing!!

canopfor on March 29, 2011 at 10:14 PM

NoStoppingUs on March 29, 2011 at 10:01 PM

You’ve got it wrong, just as those who say “we can’t stoop to their level” have it wrong — or miss the point.

This war with the Left will be vicious and protracted, and will have its victories and setbacks, its ebbs and flows of momentum. The essential issue is the recognition of war. It’s going to take a breed of political animal other than Scott Walker to do our fighting, for he and others like him have not absorbed the brute reality of the war. They just have not. It’s not to say Walker and other like him cannot do this, cannot learn, though this seems unlikely. Walker started a war without knowing exactly what he was doing. This may have been worse than not fighting at all. Now we learn. Or we don’t survive.

As for the squeamish, purists and proud who disdain “stooping to their level”, this isn’t the point. Fighting like they fight or not at all is a false choice. We have to dictate the terms of the fight. The point is we fight differently, but just as ruthlessly and determinedly.

The Art of War against the Left was written by Rudy Giuliani as mayor of New York. Check it out in the City Journal’s archives some time. It’s inspirational. He defeated them with a combination of indefatigable cheerfulness, unstoppable forthrightness and logic, and systematic, organized, fearless attack. He took the battle to them, and one by one took them down.

rrpjr on March 29, 2011 at 10:14 PM

Chris Christie was your big fat infuriated savior, and no one likes him any more in New Jersey. Hahahaha.

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:11 PM

bifidis:Your speaking TRUTH to Pow,er,I mean STUPIDITY!!

canopfor on March 29, 2011 at 10:16 PM

I think Nationally the TEA Party is just as disgusted with the GOP as they are with the Dems. In WI that should not be the case though, their Republicans just stood up and did a great thing under tremendous pressure. I sure hope they wake up and get out the vote for the right judge.

bluemarlin on March 29, 2011 at 10:05 PM

I think there are several contributing factors in Wisconsin. First, say what you will about the unions, but if there’s one thing they’re good at, it’s organizing and getting out the vote. It may become more difficult in the future if mandatory dues go away, but for now, they’re among the best in the business at it(just ask Sharon Angle and Harry Reid).

Second, the anger is all on the left. I’m sure conservatives are passionate about this issue, but not to the level we’ve seen from libs. There’s clearly an element of astroturf with the Wisconsin protests, but at least some of the folks in those crowds are natives and they’ll be showing up at the polls.

Third and this is the most depressing one IMO, Wisconsin is a fairly solid blue state. Maybe not Illinois or California blue, but a traditionally Democrat state nonetheless. What happened last November there was an anomaly. And unfortunately what we may see this year and next is something akin to a refusal by a majority of the electorate to acknowledge their fiscal reality. The 2010 results were due to the bad economy and Obamacare than anything else. Sure voters pay lip service to wanting a reduction in spending and the size of government, but when push comes to shove, they’re almost never willing to take the medicine.

Doughboy on March 29, 2011 at 10:17 PM

To NoStoppingUS

The difference between the Left and the Tea Party is this, the former have professional protesters aided and abetted by the media with financial support from the unions and other Leftist organizations while the vast majority of Tea party supporters have a job and working, using their own money and time to march and protest.

Do not make the mistake that the Tea Party would Fizzle because they are quiet. Far from it, But be very afraid when the Tea Party decides to really go for the Left’s jugular by destroying your foundations.

DinobotPrime on March 29, 2011 at 10:19 PM

you know if only we had a leader to rally the people. A leader that lead the Tea party to victory after victory in the fall of 2010. A leader to stand up and go strong.

unseen on March 29, 2011 at 10:05 PM

unseen:I have Faith,that women will eventually step forward
for a Time in American political History is

CALLING HER!:)

canopfor on March 29, 2011 at 10:20 PM

Mark Steyn said something to the effect of “Ultimately, the economy doesn’t care what a majority of the voters want.”

The politicians, interest groups, etc. will eventually run out of other people’s money. They can scream all they want about draconian budget cuts and the like but it won’t matter – “broke” is “broke.”

It’s going to a train wreck; nothing else will break the money grubbers control.

BD57 on March 29, 2011 at 10:21 PM

You mean people aren’t super excited about the reality of spending cuts? I’m shocked.

None of this means anything until the actual results start to manifest themselves. The states that are being responsible now will be OK while the junkie states will implode.

forest on March 29, 2011 at 9:57 PM

Hahaha. Yeah, none of it means anything except that Wisconsinites now hate Republicans. Hahahaha. The GOP is going to get its arse kicked up and down the state for the next ten years. Stupid radicals destroyed any chance for real fiscal change.

It will take collapse. There doesn’t seem to be the will to make the changes that need to be made.

Revenant on March 29, 2011 at 10:14 PM

Where did you study economics? Home-schooled? Yep, I figured. If nothing else, you’re right about where hollow GOP economic policies eventually lead!

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:21 PM

Crap,should be(why)not way!

thats way I was alarm bell ringing!!

canopfor on March 29, 2011 at 10:14 PM

canopfor on March 29, 2011 at 10:21 PM

What a bunch of whiners you Hot Airheads are! Jeez.

Being a tea party member is about twice as hip these days as a late-90s Ford Taurus.

Accept reality: Conservatism is dying, as I have long predicted, because your economic policies have to be proved substance-free, and more about angry white male menopause than proven economics.

Chris Christie was your big fat infuriated savior, and no one likes him any more in New Jersey. Hahahaha.

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:11 PM

Yes, you certainly made your point in that screed! All you have are insults and zero facts to support your position. All you have are insults and to give you a small fact of recent history, look up election results of November 2010, see conservativism death there? Didn`tt hink so!

bluemarlin on March 29, 2011 at 10:22 PM

It’s the responbility of ALL registered voters to get off their butts and vote. The trolls so want to lay it at the Tea Party feet wit hthe help of MSM but the fact of the matter is, no matter what party affiliation you are, if you don’t vote in your own economic interest, you deserve what you get.

All those in Wis. that don’t vote—-Democrats, Republicans and Indi’s, you let the left take over the court and run the law, you only have yourself to blame when you lose everything. Why do you need to be reminded or cajoled into not screwing yourself over?

Niteowl45 on March 29, 2011 at 10:22 PM

Mark Steyn said something to the effect of “Ultimately, the economy doesn’t care what a majority of the voters want.”

Great. Let’s learn how to produce jobs by quoting a college drop-out.

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:23 PM

So, how many voters will be bussed in from other states ??

pambi on March 29, 2011 at 10:23 PM

Where did you study economics? Home-schooled? Yep, I figured. If nothing else, you’re right about where hollow GOP economic policies eventually lead!

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:21 PM

bifidis: Yes,yes,I know what you mean,Obama’s spreading the
wealth,

he’s hopeing,for “Trickle Up Economics”!

canopfor on March 29, 2011 at 10:23 PM

Great. Let’s learn how to produce jobs by quoting a college drop-out.

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:23 PM

That’s right, baby. Beats a Harvard PhD any day of the week.

rrpjr on March 29, 2011 at 10:24 PM

Just because a minority of leftists terrorize the state for a month does not mean a mature tea party electorate is gone.

Starlink on March 29, 2011 at 10:06 PM
—–
let’s not forget the tried and true Democratic/anlinsky meme of: Give the appearance of success despite the reality. In other words we are polled to win so don’t bother to vote, just stay home. Kind of like the MSM pushing an Obama win of 70%.

Niteowl45 on March 29, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Good grief. All you have to do is check out Althouse’s blog to see why the Tea Party’s are staying away. The protesers are hippies, moochers, and more importantly, THUGS. As much as I despise my ex-husband, I would even discourage him from going there. As far as the Tea Party, all this does is galvanize the base. Just like the Progressives think the WI14 has galvanized their base. Problem is, they will never represent more than 20% of America. The Tea Party represents (at least from a fiscal standpoint) 40% of this country.
Get.Over.It.

sybilll on March 29, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Great. Let’s learn how to produce jobs by quoting a college drop-out.

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:23 PM

Bill Gates seems to produce a job or two and he bailed on higher education

darwin-t on March 29, 2011 at 10:26 PM

Great. Let’s learn how to produce jobs by quoting a college drop-out.

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:23 PM

Yeah those college flunkies don’t know anything about how to create jobs in a market economy. Oh, wait…

Weight of Glory on March 29, 2011 at 10:26 PM

Great. Let’s learn how to produce jobs by quoting a college drop-out.

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:23 PM

One who made his way in this world and made it quite well I might add. Besides, the Ivy Leaguer`s laser like focus on jobs and the economy has done what for us?

Were you on Willie Nelson`s bus tonight?

bluemarlin on March 29, 2011 at 10:27 PM

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:21 PM

Stupid comments in bold are still stupid.

SouthernGent on March 29, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Great. Let’s learn how to produce jobs by quoting a college drop-out.

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:23 PM

bifidis:Hows those “Infrastructure Union Work Only”,

“SHOVEL READY JOBS”.. work’n out for ya

Now don’t you feel “BOINKED OVER” by Peace Prize
HopeyLess!!!

canopfor on March 29, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Isn’t the chairman of the RNC from Wisconsin?

Yes. Reince Preibus is from Somers, Wisconsin which is between Kenosha and Racine.

DWB on March 29, 2011 at 10:30 PM

Tea Party is a dying fad.

Bill Gates seems to produce a job or two and he bailed on higher education

darwin-t on March 29, 2011 at 10:26 PM

Hahaha. Yeah. Gates versus talentless, unoriginal, boring Mark “Red-Face” Steyn. That’s a match-up.

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:31 PM

OMG, we are governing by polls now?

The Tea Party is not some Code Pink outfit that runs around protesting. Do your jobs and we’ll keep electing you.

faraway on March 29, 2011 at 10:33 PM

It’s not who yells the loudest, but who votes the most. I think the Tea Party will supply the votes needed for Prosser to win. No sense stirring the liberals up any more than they already are. Let them think they have it won and maybe some of them won’t take the time to vote.

huckleberryfriend on March 29, 2011 at 10:33 PM

The wetland work of JoAnne Kloppenburg

WhoU4 on March 29, 2011 at 10:24 PM

WhoU4:Thanks for the link,great work!:)

canopfor on March 29, 2011 at 10:34 PM

Sane people of Wisconsin: circle your wagons and vote NOW! Keep storming the beaches! Vote for Prosser! Keep up the RIGHT pressure!!

Khun Joe on March 29, 2011 at 10:36 PM

talentless, unoriginal, boring Mark “Red-Face” Steyn. That’s a match-up.

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:31 PM

Four personal attacks in one sentence. Either you’re 12, or you’re a liberal.

John the Libertarian on March 29, 2011 at 10:36 PM

Hahaha. Yeah. Gates versus talentless, unoriginal, boring Mark “Red-Face” Steyn. That’s a match-up.

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:31 PM

Crawl back in your hole. Until you can make a rational argument stay over at the daily kos. They’ll appreciate your “brilliance” there….

sandee on March 29, 2011 at 10:38 PM

This is what it is. Either the WI peeps were serious about fixing their state in November, or not. If they fail to keep this incumbent judge in office, they will deserve what they get.

karenhasfreedom on March 29, 2011 at 10:39 PM

Hahaha. Yeah. Gates versus talentless, unoriginal, boring Mark “Red-Face” Steyn. That’s a match-up.

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:31 PM

Your disdain for the advise from Steyn on job creation wasn’t predicated on the person Steyn himself, but on the characteristic he possessed of being a college dropout. Once it was demonstrated to you that there have been many very successful college dropouts who have, in pursuing their own interests, produced thousands of jobs you then quickly changed the subject to Steyn himself. Look if you can’t even keep up with what you said, why should we even try to talk to you? In fact…

Weight of Glory on March 29, 2011 at 10:40 PM

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:11 PM

Your windowless van back in the shop again?

CurtZHP on March 29, 2011 at 10:40 PM

But with Walker’s polls now negative and the state supreme court election next week looking like a bellwether for left/right grassroots enthusiasm

Who’s polling the Tea Party?

Kini on March 29, 2011 at 10:41 PM

This is a war……………
We don’t need any “party”, we don’t need any talking heads, we don’t need anything other than commitment. We control our own destiny, we control the budgets at all levels be they; local/state/federal, we are the taxpayers! April 15th fast approaches, let that date become a symbol of our power in 2012. Let us send a message to all politicians…..WE THE PEOPLE have had enough. All it takes is GUTS.

dmann on March 29, 2011 at 10:41 PM

The Fun in Wisconsin Over Collective Bargaining Continues

Wisconsin Judge Maryann Sumi (there’s some irony) issued a temporary restraining order against Act 10 preventing Secretary of State Doug La Follette from publishing the act (allowing it to take effect) until she’s ruled on a request for an injunction. Hearings are scheduled for the end of March and beginning of April. From Judge

Sumi:

“The public policy behind effective enforcement of the open meetings law is so strong that it does outweigh the interest, at least at this time, which may exist in favor of sustaining the validity of the (collective bargaining law),” “We in Wisconsin own our government. . . . We own it in that we are entitled by law to free and open access to governmental meetings, and especially governmental meetings that lead to the resolution of very highly conflicted and controversial matters.”

http://obtuseobserver.com/?tag=judge-maryann-sumi

canopfor on March 29, 2011 at 10:41 PM

Look, sometimes you just have to let stupid people be stupid people. Wisconsinites have been voting in Democrats for decades, all the while seeing their government nanny state expand and their taxes go up. But it seems they finally had enough in Nov and voted the Dems out. But now, because these overpaid whining teachers complained and had a hissy fit, the dumb-asses in Wisconsin are about to put the Democrats back in. If they are that frickin dumb then I say have at it idiots. Enjoy the suck as your economy goes down the drain just like Michigan.

WarEagle01 on March 29, 2011 at 10:43 PM

“We in Wisconsin own our government. . . . We own it in that we are entitled by law to free and open access to governmental meetings, and especially governmental meetings that lead to the resolution of very highly conflicted and controversial matters.”

canopfor on March 29, 2011 at 10:41 PM

It’s funny that the Wisconsin unions had to buss in protesters from out-of-state. What…wasn’t there enough protesters native to Wisconsin to make an effective demonstration?

Electrongod on March 29, 2011 at 10:47 PM

People DESERVE the government they get. If the folks in Wisconsin are so damned stupid as to believe the Democrats, then let them usher in a new “Worker’s Paradise”.

After they vote Democratic, they can also take out their wallets.

GarandFan on March 29, 2011 at 10:47 PM

Hahaha. Yeah. Gates versus talentless, unoriginal, boring Mark “Red-Face” Steyn. That’s a match-up.

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:31 PM

Mark Steyn has more wit in his smegma than you’ve produced in your entire tenure as a second-tier troll here at HA.

Even with the mass bannings, you don’t even crack the Top 5. At least ernie, crr and PR can be engaged intellectually on some level.

Good Solid B-Plus on March 29, 2011 at 10:51 PM

Wisconsin companies would leave the state en masse if the voters throw out the Republicans because it will mean the future is unions in Wisconsin. Wisconsin companies should threaten to leave right now if that were to happen.

Buddahpundit on March 29, 2011 at 10:51 PM

you know if only we had a leader to rally the people. A leader that lead the Tea party to victory after victory in the fall of 2010. A leader to stand up and go strong.

unseen on March 29, 2011 at 10:05 PM

The TEA Party would do better to hire a public relations firm.

This stuff in Wisconsin and other states looks bad to average, nonpolitical folks and was poorly handled. In fact, these actions (especially those against our arch enemies-school teachers-how ridiculous does that sound?) can easily be used by the Dems as ammo against the GOP, their constituency and the TEA Party movement.

The TEA Party wasn’t originally about slamming this group of fellow Americans or that. Cynically, I think the GOP is riding the TEA Party’s coattails in order to enhance their own political and money-related shenanigans, not giving a damn about the bigger national picture (which is bad and getting worse) or what happens to fellow Republicans (or Blue Dog Democrats or fiscally-driven Independents) in elections down the line.

Instead of attacking public employees, we should have been reaching out to them and offering to push the election of those who (any party) who would get rid of the closed union shops that enslave them. It’s tricky though as attacking corrupt, political, selfish national union leadership should not turn into an attack on the rank and file. Also, placing the unions of educated professionals in the same group as the SEIU or head-busting blue-collar unions was/is not a good idea.

One last thing-the TEA Party was touted as a grass roots movement that favored neither party and welcomed all with the same concerns regardless of party affiliation, but, like the unions and the Donkey, has steadily been looking more and more like an adjunct of the GOP.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 29, 2011 at 10:52 PM

And rather than taking the high road and pulling the ad after David Prosser asked JoAnne Kloppenburg about the ad during their debate, she excuses the ad as out of her control… not even willing to ask the sponsors to pull it.

This woman is a piece of work, her only court experience a state lawyer for the DNR whose only obligation is to the Green Party Liberals.

WhoU4 on March 29, 2011 at 10:09 PM

I’m in Green Bay & they ran this “ad” 3 times during Jeopardy on WLUK tonight, that’s just 1 half-hour show with 2 or 3 commercial breaks. GB is a bit more conservative than Madison (not that it takes much) & they are all-out blitzing with the pro-Kloppenburg stuff here. I just hope folks can see through the fog…

Mike in GB on March 29, 2011 at 10:58 PM

The RNC won’t fight this battle. Empowering The Tea Party is dangerous becaue they WILL attack the Government and a lot of republicans love the government.

PierreLegrand on March 29, 2011 at 11:02 PM

Isn’t it a little early to right everyone off? They’ve only been in power about 3 months.

JellyToast on March 29, 2011 at 11:07 PM

If democrats walking out and those turds over-taking the capitol doesn’t fire people up, then…

SouthernGent on March 29, 2011 at 9:54 PM

It does me!
If the demoncrats succeed in getting enough people to vote and overturn what Walker is trying to do, it will mean that their deceptive and unethical tricks of running out on their jobs and legislating from the bench to change who the people of Wisconsin voted in to help the state, has worked. We cannot let that happen!

Look, sometimes you just have to let stupid people be stupid people. Wisconsinites have been voting in Democrats for decades, all the while seeing their government nanny state expand and their taxes go up. But it seems they finally had enough in Nov and voted the Dems out. But now, because these overpaid whining teachers complained and had a hissy fit, the dumb-asses in Wisconsin are about to put the Democrats back in. If they are that frickin dumb then I say have at it idiots. Enjoy the suck as your economy goes down the drain just like Michigan.
WarEagle01 on March 29, 2011 at 10:43 PM

I do not want to see that happen. The Republicans and Tea Partiers need to be sending out the message reminding people of how high our taxes are. Maybe that will wake up some of the sleepers.

Sterling Holobyte on March 29, 2011 at 11:08 PM

Isn’t it a little early to right everyone off? They’ve only been in power about 3 months.

JellyToast on March 29, 2011 at 11:07 PM

I don’t think it matters to liberals. To them nobody deserves a chance to prove themselves. Unless you’re another liberal.

Sterling Holobyte on March 29, 2011 at 11:11 PM

The WI voters also have to remember, there will be NO federal bailout for the states, not with the Rs in charge of the House in DC. So if they vote stupid, they will have to pay for it all on their own.

karenhasfreedom on March 29, 2011 at 11:12 PM

I spent a week one day in Wisconsin. I don’t give a flying f*** what happens to them because it’s in their hands not mine. If the moronic voters there want to put the tax and spend liberal Demons back in office, go for it! The other countries of the world have shown us that the people will never voluntarily give up one damn cent. It has to go to chaos to get them to understand. And then the national guard had better be on alert WITH AMMO! This is a great example of thinking that we Americans are some how different from Italians, Greeks or Spaniards. NOT.

inspectorudy on March 29, 2011 at 11:12 PM

The TEA Party would do better to hire a public relations firm.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 29, 2011 at 10:52 PM

There is a PR group of sorts, but the message is still the same. Cut Spending.

We didn’t attack the Public Unions, they attacked the Taxpayers. The democrats used the unions and the unions used the democrats to allow lucrative salary, healthcare, and pension deals. At Taxpayer Expense.

The only way to reduce spending is to reduce the entitlements. From a State view, this us the challenge, and the governors of these states are not eliminating all the public unions benefits, just some. And they are allowing choice for the public unions membership in how/if they want their dues to be used, or taken compulsory.

Think about it, if your union took a portion of your salary and used it for purposes you didn’t have a voice in, then how is that a democratic process?

If there’s anything not being explained properly is just that, what are they doing with the money? As long as you salary and benefits are great/better than most, then any reduction would be viewed as an attack, when it is not.

It is being on par/being fair, with the taxpayers.

Else, you end up like Detroit, and the State of Michigan.

Kini on March 29, 2011 at 11:15 PM

No-one in my group is LESS pissed-off…are we sure that this isn’t the result of a MSM pullback?

WI suprises me based on the polling BEFORE fleabagging.

Tim_CA on March 29, 2011 at 11:32 PM

Walker was a politically inept idiot… that is what happened…

ninjapirate on March 29, 2011 at 11:33 PM

Passions don’t stay at the same level, after a couple years of scary angst people need to rest and recharge, the roller coaster will pick up speed again and besides, always always always remember the libs are trying hard every day to kill the Right’s morale and with a state controlled media its a 24 hour drumbeat.

Keep the sunlight focused on the many despicable acts Democrats always double down on.

Speakup on March 29, 2011 at 11:35 PM

I think most people just aren’t paying attention to Wisconsin because of everything else going on in the world. I know R’s in my family who are entirely overconfident and have little if any interest in Wisconsin. They think it’s a done deal.

And I think many tea partiers feel betrayed by the Republican Party in D.C.. I know I sure do. While I’m not going away, some tea party voters who hoped things might be different this time, that their vote might actually count for something, now realize they were wrong.

FloatingRock on March 29, 2011 at 11:38 PM

Has the tea party given up?

No, we are just out buying gold and silver, you know, just in case

Dollayo on March 29, 2011 at 11:38 PM

bifidis, repeatedly…

Do you think that bolding your inane statements makes them more important?

Gnats’ brains are indignant.

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2011 at 11:41 PM

There is a PR group of sorts, but the message is still the same. Cut Spending.

Kini on March 29, 2011 at 11:15 PM

But it should be across the board and no playing favorites with certain classes of employees, groups or programs.

I think most of us here are aware that every state can make cuts without really hurting anyone given all the waste, corruption and bureaucracy. But those deep-seated, systemic problems are the hardest to root out, and will have to be if/when our economy crumbles further. We have a huge welfare/entitlement chain hanging around our necks and I don’t think anyone’s brave enough to deal with that, especially in this economic and political climate.

Being taxed on my comm bills so people can get cell phones for free-you know, junk like that.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 29, 2011 at 11:48 PM

And I think many tea partiers feel betrayed by the Republican Party in D.C.. I know I sure do. While I’m not going away, some tea party voters who hoped things might be different this time, that their vote might actually count for something, now realize they were wrong.

FloatingRock on March 29, 2011 at 11:38 PM

I know the feeling, and I share their frustration…but I have to beleive that (like you and I)….they aren’t going anywhere either.

I won’t call myself republican anymore (there’s just no there, there), and Bohner is on my sh!tlist, but I gotta beleive that no one wants Jug-Ears’ mess.

Tim_CA on March 29, 2011 at 11:50 PM

And I think many tea partiers feel betrayed by the Republican Party in D.C.. I know I sure do. While I’m not going away, some tea party voters who hoped things might be different this time, that their vote might actually count for something, now realize they were wrong.

FloatingRock on March 29, 2011 at 11:38 PM

I’m sorry it’s taken this long for so many to figure this out.

Folks keep deluding themselves that our ‘representative democracy’ has long been non-existent, and it’s just that it’s becoming more obvious. Our votes haven’t mattered for quite awhile now, and future votes are worth even less. Yet we keep deluding ourselves that ‘the next election’ will be the one where we get to set things right.

The definition of ‘insanity’ is… what again?

Midas on March 29, 2011 at 11:51 PM

Our votes haven’t mattered for quite awhile now, and future votes are worth even less. Yet we keep deluding ourselves that ‘the next election’ will be the one where we get to set things right.

The definition of ‘insanity’ is… what again?

Midas on March 29, 2011 at 11:51 PM

Come on now Midas….we rang their bells with the midterms…both party’s are still wetting themselves….it’s just going to be more of a “Kinetic” slog than hoped….LOL!!

Tim_CA on March 29, 2011 at 11:57 PM

The Democrats are employing a Nero strategy. They are setting the city on fire through their own economic malfeasance, (Bush too), and then sitting back taking potshots at the Republicans while they try to save the city. They make easy pray. Then they plan to rebuild the country in their own image after first the tea party and then the Republicans are destroyed, so they think.

Zero really is Nero. It’s not hyperbole. Perhaps if we label it as such and encourage some discussion about their strategy, perhaps it will backfire on them.

FloatingRock on March 30, 2011 at 12:01 AM

Oh geez not more AP gloom and doom. As for Barone, is he even a Tea Party attendee or member of a local organization? Does he know alot of Tea Partiers(and I don’t mean Armey or the Tea Party Express.) I know plenty of them who are still active and working to make changes locally and at the state levels.
And polls?…who cares. Let’s take Corbett in Pennsylvania. For every poll that shows his numbers dropping there’s one that shows the opposite. PA like Ohio has definite Blue and Red areas. If the newspaper that does the poll is in one or the other you’ll see a wide variation in results. The same goes for Kasich. And in both Ohio and PA the print media is heavily Liberal. And worse case scenario for them, in four years they don’t get re-elected. But alot can happen in that time.

Deanna on March 30, 2011 at 12:03 AM

The only problem is that the Republican Party is spineless. They’re not going to discuss the Democrats Nero strategy. That would be uncivil.

FloatingRock on March 30, 2011 at 12:04 AM

FloatingRock on March 30, 2011 at 12:04 AM

The fear to engage is one of my pet peeves….but it looks like that may be ending with the rumored shutdown.

Tim_CA on March 30, 2011 at 12:08 AM

Deanna on March 30, 2011 at 12:03 AM

Thanks…I needed that!

Tim_CA on March 30, 2011 at 12:09 AM

Nero:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero

This is not like the Walker = Mubarak hyperbole, however I’m not saying they’re actually lighting fires. They are, however, willing to imperil America in order to destroy their political opponents to avoid cutting spending and balancing the budget.

They may not be lighting fires but they’re destroying capital.

FloatingRock on March 30, 2011 at 12:16 AM

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