Michael Barone on Wisconsin: Has the tea party given up?

posted at 9:49 pm on March 29, 2011 by Allahpundit

It’s not just Wisconsin. John Kasich in Ohio and Tom Corbett in Pennsylvania have seen their ratings sour too. But with Walker’s polls now negative and the state supreme court election next week looking like a bellwether for left/right grassroots enthusiasm, he’s wondering if the moment has passed.

In addition, both parties have threatened to recall at least some of the other side’s state senators. Recall petitions are being circulated and require relatively few signatures.

The IWV poll says that voters would oppose recalling Democratic state senators by 60 to 38 percent but oppose recalling Republicans by only 52 to 43 percent.

There’s an assumption by many Republicans, seemingly shared by Walker, that voters settled these issues definitively in the November elections. But the IWV poll suggests that voters are not necessarily well-informed and have been swayed by those who frame the issue as collective bargaining “rights.”…

Given their druthers, voters oppose tax increases and spending cuts. But they’re responsive to the message that in these hard economic times it’s not possible to have all good things.

They have seen that vast spending increases haven’t generated jobs and they understand that tax increases can choke a sputtering economic recovery. Given the facts, they understand that public employee unions inflate spending, reduce accountability and operate as a mechanism for the involuntary transfer of taxpayer money to one political party.

The press won’t make that case. Republicans and Tea Partiers need to do it themselves.

Well, look. Victory in the midterms was bound to cool some people’s ardor. Conservatives were irate over unchecked Democratic governance, and now there’s a check in the form of a Republican House, so the temperature had to come down. The difficulty here isn’t convincing grassroots righties that they need to get their message out 24/7, it’s figuring out how to raise that temperature again to the point where people are out in the streets, knocking on doors, volunteering, organizing, donating, and so forth. Candidly, I don’t know how you do it; the best fuel is anger, but having just won a major legislative victory in Wisconsin — imperiled though it may be — some conservatives just may not be feeling the rage right now, no matter how vicious or intimidating the left tries to be. To see just how vicious, have a look at the sort of sleazy attack ads they’re running against Wisconsin Justice David Prosser. Not only is Politifact calling them on it, but even one of the victims in the case is so disgusted that he wants the ad pulled. Here’s Mark Levin from tonight’s show interviewing Prosser and putting the word out about how high the stakes are in this election. If you’re in Wisconsin, please start calling friends and tell them: Vote, vote, vote, vote, vote. Click the image to listen.


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Tim_CA on March 30, 2011 at 12:09 AM

No problem. We tend to forget that alot of these pundits don’t really know what exists out in the rest of the country. So I have a problem with their making statements like these.
As for Wisconsin, it’s bluer than blue, always has been. But something triggered a change. Hell it’s amazing there even is a Tea Party in WI. It might be an up and down struggle there but I don’t think you can compare them to states like Ohio.
Unless of course you’re seeking hits on a thread.

Deanna on March 30, 2011 at 12:26 AM

It’s probably already been mentioned but, quite frankly, I bet a lot of tea partiers are also scared of the union thugs. History shows that Brownshirt tactics work. You don’t have to bash everybody’s face in, just a few. Create a climate a fear. Youtube videos of thuggery probably magnifies the affect.

It sucks that it works, but it works.

FloatingRock on March 30, 2011 at 12:37 AM

The problem I believe is that we’ve simply lost the educational battle for the past 40-50 years. When you give anti-war activists from the 50′s/60′s free reign to teach the kids, you wind up with molded minds. There is no free thinking in public schools any more…and I’m just saying it from the perspective of someone who had to endure the high school’s version of the first Clinton campaign. It pays dividends in the long run

specialkayel on March 30, 2011 at 1:37 AM

One major problem is how the Democrats (and Republicans) are playing this whole Congressional budget thing. This year’s budget was supposed to have already been a done deal by the previous Congress, but it wasn’t. So anything, and I mean anything, the Republicans can get some push-back on is gravy here. The Democrats have actually no skin in this game because they didn’t “pass” a budget for this year, this is just a series of continuing resolutions from the previous year’s budget.

The Republicans are not allowing the Democrats to “own” this year’s spending and are trying to take control or at least have some influence over it. That is a mistake. This year’s budget should be portrayed as the Democrat’s own budget, they own it, lock, stock, barrel.

Republicans should be more interested in NEXT year’s budget and should be working on that right now.

The Democrats are allowing the Republicans to become bogged down in a tar-baby “negotiation” that is going to end up with the Republicans being held partially responsible when the people’s tax forms are due in April 2012. The Republicans should simply allow the Democrats to own it and start educating the public NOW that the reason their taxes are going to be so high in April 2012 is because of the Democrat budget.

In the meantime, the Republicans should now be working on what comes next. They should be working now on easing that tax burden that people will see in 2013.

crosspatch on March 30, 2011 at 1:47 AM

I don’t think it’s the Tea Party that’s lost it’s will. It’s the moderates. They see the ‘unpleasantness’ and they want it to go away. If not supporting republicans will stop the union people from making a big noise, fine. It’ll all work itself out, anyway. Right?

trigon on March 30, 2011 at 2:05 AM

In the meantime, the Republicans should now be working on what comes next. They should be working now on easing that tax burden that people will see in 2013.

crosspatch on March 30, 2011 at 1:47 AM

Why would anybody believe you guys when you broke your promise to cut $100 billion without hardly a fight? $100 billion should be a cinch to cut. If you guys think it is too much of a burden for you to keep your promise then get out of the way.

It’s always the same: “Oh, we’re really all about cutting spending, really, but we can’t do it yet. First we need to win the next election, and donate money, then we’ll talk. Rinse and repeat. That is the road the brought us here.

FloatingRock on March 30, 2011 at 2:16 AM

This isn’t explained by a natural cooling of ardor, backlash, or any such thing. This is an unfortunate echo of the Republican failure during the 1995 government shutdown standoff, when the media defeated the Pubs.

Walker has been magnificent, but he and our side have failed to get the message out. It was and is a message that will resound with most people – it’s a winner – but if people do not have basic economics explained to them they just don’t know what’s going on. Such is the level of citizenship at this point in time, when the schools don’t teach and shows like Jersey Shore distract from reality.

Too much was assumed. This is a nation, after all, that place Barack Obama in office. And we may pay a drastic price for the error, as we did in ’95, when the Republican Rev… was derailed for fifteen years when Newt blinked. Someone needs to wake up, quickly.

paul1149 on March 30, 2011 at 5:16 AM

trigon on March 30, 2011 at 2:05 AM

+1. Where would we be without those ‘moderates’? Sure they help in establishing a Republican victory but they also are more concerned with their image as moderates and less with core beliefs. At the first sign of public concern they switch to their moderate and accommodative mode to ‘win back those in the center’. Lovely. Third party.

Fuquay Steve on March 30, 2011 at 6:50 AM

There is a PR group of sorts, but the message is still the same. Cut Spending.

I know a little something about advertising. You don’t sell cuts. You sell growth. You don’t sell pain. You sell pleasure. You can’t just tell people you are cutting spending. You leave a vacuum. Nature abhors a vacuum. You’ve got to tell people what they are getting in return for the cuts. Just repeating cuts cuts cuts is telling people all the stuff they are going to lose. All the things they are going to have to give up. Unfortunately, you have to educate and sell.

Advertising works. The Republicans have been so freaking stupid… whether intentionally on this or just out of pure incompetence or maybe it’s they have convinced themselves nobody will believe them anyway. What ever it is I don’t know but it doesn’t matter. Any message can be packaged and sell. But the Republicans have a great advantage here.. they have truth to sell. The Democrats have lies to sell. The truth is a very very powerful weapon but it has to be packaged so it is easily understood and that people can appreciate the positive consequences. Republicans have to have a PR campaign that pulls away the curtains and exposes the lies of the Democrats while at the same time revealing the truth, power and common sense of good government. They need to attack with these messages over and over as though going to war. Go for the throat of the lie. But just don’t grab the lie by the throat and shake it, reveal the pot full of gold just sitting there at the end of the rainbow that belongs to every citizen in Wisconsin… that pot full of gold that the Democrats want for themselves!

What are the unions demanding? That the people of Wisconsin work to pay their bills and work to feed their families and work to pad their bank accounts! They are demanding that everybody else in Wisconsin work harder and go with less so that union thugs can sit around and do with more.

JellyToast on March 30, 2011 at 6:58 AM

Tea Party fervor?

Uh, maybe it’s because we realize they are getting hosed by both parties and the Tea Party Americans know NEITHER PARTY is serious about saving the country and it’s Financial health?

WHERE ARE THE TEA PARTY FRESHMAN!!!!!

PappyD61 on March 30, 2011 at 7:06 AM

Have you considered the reality that people across the nation are preparing themselves and their families for civil unrest the likes of which we have not seen in our lifetimes? It’s obvious what’s coming; we see it around the world right now and we know it’s coming at us like a freight train. The spending was unsustainable and the printing of money could only take us so far. World food shortages, energy costs rising through the roof, jobs simply not available, loans simply not available… We watch our politicians doing anything but taking the actions that are needed to get us through this. We watch as unions dump hundreds of millions of dollars into a seek and destroy campaign that will have no ending that leads us to safety. We watch as corrupt Judges block legislation that is designed to bring fiscal responsibility back into the mold. We watch as our media lies to it’s people and sets them up for certain failure. We are digging in and preparing for what is certainly coming our way. We elected Republicans to office in historical numbers last November and prayed they would bring about solutions such as what we saw taking place in Wisconsin, only to have corruption once again rule the day. We realize that there is no stopping Greece from coming to our streets as the progressives are littered in every position to stop any form of sanity from taking place until this battle has been fought and a winner has been declared.

Here in my home, we’re digging in. Everybody around us is digging in. It’s clear now that there is no stopping this.

Keemo on March 30, 2011 at 7:26 AM

OMT: Rush has told us for quite some time now that he will let us know when it’s time to panic… I expect those words of warning coming from the golden EIB microphone soon. The progressives have prepared for this for decades. The time grows near. Laugh off this threat at your own peril. Cash on hand, dry-canned food on hand, bottled water and dry milk on hand. Guns and ammo on hand. I don’t expect to be shooting people, but I do expect to be shooting food.

There are NO Obama stickers left here in my area. No body seems to be stupid enough to tag themselves right now.

Keemo on March 30, 2011 at 7:35 AM

What a bunch of whiners you Hot Airheads are! Jeez.

Being a tea party member is about twice as hip these days as a late-90s Ford Taurus.

Accept reality: Conservatism is dying, as I have long predicted, because your economic policies have to be proved substance-free, and more about angry white male menopause than proven economics.

Chris Christie was your big fat infuriated savior, and no one likes him any more in New Jersey. Hahahaha.

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:11 PM

LMAO! you liberals live in some alternative universe. Christie has a 54% approval rating in our state. Considering we are a nazi liberal state that is a a great rating for a republican. Seriously, do you liberals EVER have or use facts?

xler8bmw on March 30, 2011 at 7:42 AM

What? Did conservatives miss that there was a Tea Party rally at the mid-way point of the PEU protests?

What does a mid-way point mark? A turning point: average people finally got organized in 2 days to take some weekend time off to counter-protest. The Fleebaggers came home after that. Is there a shocking blind spot on the part of conservatives on that point?

Second, just because these people have day jobs, families to tend to and other such things, doesn’t mean they aren’t out doing important work… although the job and family do come first, you know? The Tea Party tends not to be the bullhorn types with pre-printed banners and card tables set up on college campuses, but everyday working people, majority female, who have to prioritize their time. They don’t get paid to attend rallies and can’t expect corrupt doctors to cover for them. Those last parts have not gone unnoticed.

Third just where have the Tea Parties been strengthening their organizations? NH, FL, NV, UT… if you are seeing Primary States on that list you are starting to get an idea of what is actually happening rather than what the pundits ‘want’ to have happen. Mitt Romney must be able to appeal outside of his limited used-car salesman base, which means he has to win outside of MA, MI and UT. In fact he must carry UT… where is the Tea Party getting very organized? UT.

So the punditry is worried that the Tea Parties don’t act like privileged, demented union workers who expect the gravy train to never stop, skate out on the public dime to protest and get a corrupt system to cover for them. Why, its almost like these Tea Partiers were civil individuals who expect their representatives to, oh, REPRESENT THEM!

Speaka da english? Representative? Yoo-Hoo!! Why should representatives NEED or REQUIRE their base to tend to their every, petty spineless episode? If you can’t get a spine as a representative there is a remedy for that: it is called an election. Elections are expected to be respected.

Yes the Unions and Democrats aren’t respecting them… wonder why people are stocking up on food, clothing, medicine, guns and ammo? Yeah, the thugs have been noticed. It should also be recognized that the first run on guns happened BEFORE the 2008 election, back in AUG 2008. The ammo run started just after it. See how that works? Prepare and then finalize? Do you catch a pattern in that? Getting the basics down, first, and now topping off and getting ready for what comes next? Our politicians sure don’t, but the handwriting is on the wall, and if you want to stop it from coming about, then the politicians have to start acting like representatives with a temporary job and not aristocrats who feel free to rule, not govern.

The non hand-out, non-freebie, non-gimme society has been preparing. It is being quiet, preparing, being civil, doing all the right things: hoping for the best, preparing for the worst.

Can we get a pundit class to recognize this? And stop being the enablers of the squishy aristrocracy and give some CREDIT to how CIVIL the American working public actually IS? I find the patience of the average American absolutely astounding. Too bad our pundits don’t think so.

Maybe we need some new pundits along with new politicians, no?

ajacksonian on March 30, 2011 at 8:01 AM

No problem in Florida … We have five bills being pushed.

You know we work for a living, don’t you?

tarpon on March 30, 2011 at 8:05 AM

ANOTHER UPDATE: Reader Jody Green writes: “Can’t speak for the whole tea party but I can speak for many of those with jobs, kids, limited resources and true love for this country. The issues facing this country at the federal level are so large and complex that only honest people have a chance of fixing the problems. We all know that we are not dealing with an honest opposition. We are dealing with people who are only trying to maintain their disgusting grip on the levers of power. See Shumer just today. This country is about to crash in a horrible “Man caused disaster” and we can not get that message to the vast majority of people. Our leadership plays games while we know the Titanic is sinking. The question is do we actually get pitch forks and march on Washington and gig them (If we did we would be terrorists) or do we hunker down and prepare for the worse. Unfortunately, most people are doing the later and it is only a matter of time before they will be proven right. If you publish this, I want our leaders in Washington to hear only one thing. Stop the games and the power grabs and do what it right. The future of your country and your children/grandchildren are depending on you and you are play politics. Shame on you. Wake up and do your duty.”

This comment is posted at instapundit.com right under Glenn’s post on this thread. This represents to current mood of most TP members here in my area. The deck is stacked and the outcome is clear. Dig in…

Keemo on March 30, 2011 at 8:11 AM

Here in my home, we’re digging in. Everybody around us is digging in. It’s clear now that there is no stopping this.

Keemo on March 30, 2011 at 7:26 AM

There are many that get it Keemo, your right. We are all getting ready. There is no stopping this.

wi farmgirl on March 30, 2011 at 8:14 AM

Maybe we need some new pundits along with new politicians, no?

ajacksonian on March 30, 2011 at 8:01 AM

One things for sure old friend, when/if the sh*t hits the streets, Bill Maher and his ilk had better be in lock down. Reap what you sow just might rule the day.

Keemo on March 30, 2011 at 8:15 AM

Unions have been organizing for decades, collecting money for their efforts, and have the process down pat.

2 years ago, a bunch of people who mostly hadn’t met before got together and with a minimum of effort and money, rallied to take back the House last November.

While we likely need a couple more wake-up calls, we’ll come together as we did, again and again, and turn it around. And it’s the fact that a bunch of relative novices beat the long-time pros at organizing that has them scared senseless.

But they ought to get used to it.

beatcanvas on March 30, 2011 at 8:17 AM

yes and the reason is that there is a lack of enthusiasm for the present stable of GOP candidates. and that includes Palin. None of them exicte the average Middle American. DD

Darvin Dowdy on March 30, 2011 at 8:31 AM

Maybe we need some new pundits along with new politicians, no?

ajacksonian on March 30, 2011 at 8:01 AM

Nice post.

I have family members in ‘Sconsin and they pretend to be independent and proud but they all are dependent on the government in one way or another (farm subsidies, BadgerCare, collective bargaining and student loans). They boast of the collective good while fiercely defending their slice of the pie. Somehow their idea of the collective good never includes personal sacrifice.

I was went to Madison on the Tea Party protest day in support of Walker and Wisconsin. A lot of the Tea Party signs had the message “Sorry Scott. I’d have been here sooner but I had to work.” These people will vote.

Unfortunately, the unions, teachers and professors have brainwashed the college kids (much like Biffy here) into thinking it is “hip” to be counter responsibility, counter culture and counter intuitive. Very few of these students will end up in a union but they’ll have happy memories of a cool party and they will vote against the Republicans (but I think they always vote that way). It’s only if and when they leave the utopian college campuses that they might get a clue.

It was clear when I was in Madtown that the situation was escalating as more fringe and professional protesters and anarchists were added to the mix. Bless Scott Walker and the Republican Congress. What they faced was truly frightening and they didn’t back down.

Fallon on March 30, 2011 at 8:42 AM

I have an idea to get enthusiasm up about conservative ideas. Let’s talk about Obama’s birth certificate some more. It will win people over.

thuja on March 30, 2011 at 8:44 AM

Here in my home, we’re digging in. Everybody around us is digging in. It’s clear now that there is no stopping this.

Keemo on March 30, 2011 at 7:26 AM

Sure, we’re preparing for the worse here as well.
But guess what, nobody is going to win a war by digging in and hiding in their cellars! This talk makes me more than a little mad. Some of us are still trying to effect some positive change here. Look at us! Look at the world! Hey, you know what,… some things have changed for the better! Have you seen Eastern Europe lately? It’s not the same as it used to be 30 years ago! Remember that old Iron Curtain? Remember that wall they had around Berlin? Remember the Soviet Union? If we weren’t borrowing so much from China it wouldn’t even seem the threat is used to be.

Look at us! My God! What the heck do we expect? We want our little revolution but we want it over by the weekend! Oh gosh, things are getting tough now so we have to quit! Well, if we quit do you think it’ll get any easier? Sooner or later you will run out of your stock piled food and lightbulbs!
Man,… hey.. it’s not like other generations ever had it so tough, right!? You know some generations had actual war to face! The kind of wars that effected every family living and the ones you didn’t just volunteer for! I can’t imagine what those soldiers faced, the feelings they had as they were climbing walls straight up facing machine gun fire… seeing bodies fall one after the other ahead of them but they just kept going up against impossible odds! Hey.. they were fighting Fascists too! Just like we are but we have our homes to go back to at the end of the day! We have places we can go out to and order lunches! We can still go to a movie or take a vacation when we get a little tired and most of us don’t have to worry about staring down machine guns bullets! Sure.. maybe a brick through the window or a face to face confrontation with a union thug or a nasty glare from co-worker after you’ve said you like Rush… but our nation is worth it! America’s future is worth the little inconveniences we have to face to keep freedom alive for our children!
Yeah, it’s been said before but it is true! The battle is only over when one side quits and leaves the field! We don’t need to quit! We need to hold steady, advance and inch at a time if that is all we can! Fall back to regroup another day.. but do not quit!

The world does not begin and end in Wisconsin! There are 49 other states and thousands of other cities, towns and localities! The only thing the left has now that they didn’t have then was a larger mainstream media bullhorn! So, if that is all you are listening to change the freaking channel! We are having victories! So what if the union thugs win in Wisconsin?! Does that men we have to quit and hand them over America? We lost battles in WWII also! The battle of the Bulge didn’t end the war for America! People need a little more vision here! Certainly e can have a little more perseverance than a freaking unemployed hippie!
“Grand Dad.. what did you do when they came and took our freedoms?” “Well Joey, I wrote a letter and went to a Tea Party rally but things got tough so I went back home.”
That’s one little conversation I don’t want to have! Call it cheesy if you want to, but I am sold out! I have no where to go. Not leaving the country and I like the sunshine.
Support you local Tea Party! Keep writing and calling and protesting! Start a Blog! Comment on other blogs! Start a Facebook page! Send money! Pray! Keep talking! Your words can motivate other people to do the same! Have a block party for freedom! Invite neighbors over for cake, coffee and protest ideas! Brain storm!

JellyToast on March 30, 2011 at 8:57 AM

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/mar/29/cash-clunkers-2-dumped-capitol-hill/

Hello Tea Party Freshman in the House?…….HELLLLLLLLLO!!

PappyD61 on March 30, 2011 at 8:59 AM

OMT: Rush has told us for quite some time now that he will let us know when it’s time to panic… I expect those words of warning coming from the golden EIB microphone soon. The progressives have prepared for this for decades. The time grows near. Laugh off this threat at your own peril. Cash on hand, dry-canned food on hand, bottled water and dry milk on hand. Guns and ammo on hand. I don’t expect to be shooting people, but I do expect to be shooting food.

There are NO Obama stickers left here in my area. No body seems to be stupid enough to tag themselves right now.

Keemo on March 30, 2011 at 7:35 AM

I heard him this week say he hopes the next American Revolution happens at the ballot box.

PappyD61 on March 30, 2011 at 9:00 AM

JellyToast on March 30, 2011 at 8:57 AM

Nice rant.. Digging in means all of the above and then some comrade. Prepare for the worst while praying for the best. I’m in this battle long term. Digging in means we’re staying put and preparing for what we believe will be a long hard fight. But you already knew this, right…

Keemo on March 30, 2011 at 9:06 AM

Keemo on March 30, 2011 at 9:06 AM

Actually I wasn’t so sure.
Wisconsin is important but it’s not the end of life. I think we can defeat our selves by building up the importance of this battle so much that if we lose there all hope is lost.

I think the conservative movement, the re-awakening and rebirth of freedom in America is much larger than any of us realize. Think for a moment the wins we have had the last few elections. We’ve come a long way and all of it has occurred without any clear singular leadership and against a large and powerful well financed opposition. Imagine what we can do once we have a clearly powerful and articulate conservative leader with a well financed campaign!

JellyToast on March 30, 2011 at 9:18 AM

I’ll take a stab at this.
They’re out going to work?
Who has time for this constant protesting garbage?!
I don’t.
Only these bloodsuckers do.
People suck.
They’re fricking flighty, mamby-pamby, ignorant fence sitters!
Apathetic irrational indecisive idiots.
If we lose our freedom (which we have many freedoms), it is bcs of the feckless attitudes of the spoiled American electorate.
And where in the he!! are all of these people who COULD vote, but don’t?!
What is it, like 20% of all ELIGIBLE voters are actually voting?
This is shameful.
If people don’t start getting off of their collective a$$e$ & start actually thinking, we won’t have a country left to save bcs the squeaky wheel nut jobs are gonna get the grease.

Badger40 on March 30, 2011 at 9:24 AM

I think the conservative movement, the re-awakening and rebirth of freedom in America is much larger than any of us realize. Think for a moment the wins we have had the last few elections. We’ve come a long way and all of it has occurred without any clear singular leadership and against a large and powerful well financed opposition. Imagine what we can do once we have a clearly powerful and articulate conservative leader with a well financed campaign!

JellyToast on March 30, 2011 at 9:18 AM

Thanks for all that. I had a similar post that somehow ended up in the twilight zone when I hit submit. LOL But seriously you’re right. It is possible to make changes and we’re doing it. I’ve seen changes in several states where Conservatives got elected as committee members and precinct chairs, the people with the power. I know of several Tea Party, 912, and other groups that are very active at local and state levels. I hate all this gloom and doom talk. We didn’t get here over-night and it won’t get changed over-night. But it ain’t easy. I worked for the UAW admin, so these union tactics are nothing new to me. I suspect that alot of people bought into the con job that unions had become more civil. They haven’t. But they can be beaten.

Deanna on March 30, 2011 at 9:26 AM

Here is an ad that the Tea Party Express is running for Prosser.

Fallon on March 30, 2011 at 9:29 AM

Too much was assumed. This is a nation, after all, that place Barack Obama in office.

This is the crux of it.I am sure that the judge that ruled o/care was unconstitutional also thought that these people would abide by the rules. We have to take the fight to them and unfortunately somebody is going to have come out of the woodwork to do this,because I don’t see anyone who will do this (yet).

ohiobabe on March 30, 2011 at 9:34 AM

Numbers. If you look at the deficits, read Marco Rubio’s WSJ piece, you recognize that the world’s creditors don’t think we can repay the debt we have.

We have to set sustainable budgets. Democrats bet the farm on the stimulus.

Now we have to trust Republicans. God help us.

Angry Dumbo on March 30, 2011 at 9:34 AM

JellyToast on March 30, 2011 at 9:18 AM

I’ve been reading your comments here at HA for a long time. You’re a warrior and have my utmost respect. You have also seen me here for a very long time and should know where I stand. My family is as engaged as could possibly be and has been for two over decades now. I don’t aim to lose comrade. I’m also engaged in the reality of what my eyes are seeing. We face a very well organized enemy with people in the highest possible positions of government & power. On the other hand, they face an opponent that they seemingly have no clue as to how powerful we are and how well organized we have become in a short period of time. Here in Montana, we have established a communication network that is working and reaching across our state. We started think tank meetings with some of our brightest three years ago and have put into action plans that have led to large majorities in our houses. We’re in to win comrade; make no mistake about that…

Keemo on March 30, 2011 at 9:43 AM

Deanna on March 30, 2011 at 9:26 AM

I think we’re a lot like that kid on the video being taunted by a smaller bully. Our backs are up against the wall, we keep taking repeated hits but we don’t realize the power we have and how puny the little snot is. Running away never solved a thing for that kid. He just kept getting more and more attacks. All leftists are like that little snot deep deep down. They only punch when they think they can get away with it and they’ve got the crowd behind them.
Not a perfect analogy, by far.

JellyToast on March 30, 2011 at 9:45 AM

Accept reality: Conservatism is dying, as I have long predicted, because your economic policies have to be proved substance-free, and more about angry white male menopause than proven economics.

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:11 PM

Lefties constantly in teh streets performing actual violence and threatening actual violence when they don’t get their way – but the right is the “angry” and “menopause”? You really are ignorant.

Also, what lefty economics have ever worked anywhere? they aren’t working in NY or CA, they did not work in the USSR or Cuba. They aren’t working in England, Greece, Portugal, or any other country that has adopted them. Again, your ecomomic ignorance is breathtaking, just like your overall ignorance.

Monkeytoe on March 30, 2011 at 10:05 AM

Accept reality: Conservatism is dying, as I have long predicted, because your economic policies have to be proved substance-free, and more about angry white male menopause than proven economics.

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:11 PM

Since when does Krugman post here?

98ZJUSMC on March 30, 2011 at 10:09 AM

Though there is no donation button on the Justice Prosser campaign website, Eric Erickson over at redstate posted on this topic and provided a link to the WI GOP where you can donate to the fight:

Here is the WI GOP site:
http://www.wisgop.org/

And here is the direct link to WI GOP’s Frontline Wisconsin site:
http://www.frontlinewisconsin.com/

Back in the saddle people.

perries on March 30, 2011 at 10:09 AM

Keemo on March 30, 2011 at 7:35 AM

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slickwillie2001 on March 30, 2011 at 10:11 AM

slickwillie2001 on March 30, 2011 at 10:11 AM

Thanks slickwillie, but we’re loaded up here at my place. We have enough food and bottled water for 8-10 months; ammo and fuel the generator also. I live in a rural area, so supplies are hard to come by if the sh*t does hit the streets. The closest walmart to me is 50 miles away, and I would expect their shelves to be emptied quickly. Like I said, prepared for the worst, praying for the best…

Keemo on March 30, 2011 at 10:16 AM

I think most people missed the point about what the Tea Party is all about. And now we’re labeling the movement a failure to do something that it really never intended to accomplish.

The Tea Part is more of a reform movement than it is a political take-over movement as it is often portrayed to be.

So, for those seeking to make the Tea Party movement into a political take-over movement, then yeah, they’re probably giving up a bit.

But in the greater scheme, the message the Tea Party intended to send has been sent and has been heard by the people who need to hear it.

Lawrence on March 30, 2011 at 10:16 AM

Back in the saddle people.

perries on March 30, 2011 at 10:09 AM

Yup, I put away my checkbook in November. It’s time to take it back out and help where needed.

Fallon on March 30, 2011 at 10:29 AM

I hope people will also pass the donation links on to their social networks and websites today and in the days to come.

perries on March 30, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Back in the saddle people.

perries on March 30, 2011 at 10:09 AM

Yup, I put away my checkbook in November. It’s time to take it back out and help where needed.

Fallon on March 30, 2011 at 10:29 AM

Targeted Donations. I’ll never give another dime to the RNC

Tim_CA on March 30, 2011 at 10:47 AM

wow. that formatting came out backwards

Tim_CA on March 30, 2011 at 10:48 AM

Lefties constantly in teh streets performing actual violence and threatening actual violence when they don’t get their way – but the right is the “angry” and “menopause”? You really are ignorant and delusional.

FIFY

Also, what lefty economics have ever worked anywhere? they aren’t working in NY or CA, they did not work in the USSR or Cuba. They aren’t working in England, Greece, Portugal, or any other country that has adopted them. Again, your ecomomic ignorance is breathtaking, just like your overall ignorance.

Monkeytoe on March 30, 2011 at 10:05 AM

When I think about which topic Lefties are most stupid about, economics is the one that always ends up being #1 on my list. Their idiocy about economics really is indescribable.

Did you happen to catch John Stossel’s special on Fox last Friday night, “Freeloaders”? It was great, maybe his best one yet. The following is actual dialogue from it:

JS: But you say everybody wants these things. Isn’t that enough incentive for private, greedy businesses to make it [referring to green energy devices]?

Tamara Draut: The free market does not know anything unless we all collect our interests and say, “This is of national import to us.”

And later:

JS: Maybe we don’t need turbine. Maybe it’s a waste of money.

TD: Well maybe it is. But it should be one thing that we as a nation are investing in so that we aren’t left behind.

I believe bifidis is Tamara Draut.

Bizarro No. 1 on March 30, 2011 at 10:54 AM

As a “member” of the tea party, I get 25 e-mail requests a day from conservative groups putting up an issue and asking me to contribute. We are being attacked on so many issues, we can’t contribute to all the requests to fight them, but we help where/when we can. I feel as strong as ever that the tea party is our only hope of getting our country back from the brink of socialism and loss of freedom, but we must pick our battles, contribute where we can, educate folks and get out the vote. I’m always hearing the words, “…we pledge our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.”
BTW, there are many groups including TeaPartyExpress.org who are trying to help Walker in Wisconsin from being overrun by the runaway senators and the liberal courts. I gave for that fight yesterday.

Christian Conservative on March 30, 2011 at 10:56 AM

Yesterday I was contacted by Heidi, a patriot in your state who is keeping a close eye on Wisconsin’s battle with government employee unions. I can’t tell you what it meant to me as a grassroots organizer to have that email come from someone I’ve never met who lives hundreds of miles away, telling me that she knew the seriousness of the situation we face here and its implications for citizens across the United States. I told her about some ways for people outside of Wisconsin to help. Heidi passed my email to Margo, who is now passing my words on to you.

Today I am asking for your financial assistance with four senate recall campaigns here in Wisconsin. I am providing the links to those campaigns below, then will share my perspective on the situation here in Wisconsin and why these recall campaigns are so important.

Recall Mark Miller (D-16, state senator, Minority Leader, proud union crony, and agitator extraordinaire)
Recall Jim Holperin (D-12, state senator, union crony)
Recall Bob Wirch (D-22, state senator, union crony)

There is also a fourth recall effort for Sen. Dave Hansen (D-30), but unfortunately that campaign website doesn’t have a donate button. You can, however, contact David VanderLeest for further information on how to contribute. Any amount at all to any or all of these campaigns will be vastly appreciated!

Why has the grassroots launched these recall campaigns? Why are they important? First and foremost, these four senators, in conjunction with the rest of the Fugitive 14, abandoned their responsibilities toward their constituents and the people of Wisconsin in general. They flaunted senate rules, and they have colluded with their union contributors over taxpayers they are meant to represent.

Furthermore, the long-term “visit” of the Fugitive 14 to neighboring Illinois bought the unions time to launch a propaganda campaign. By misrepresenting the facts, they’ve won much public support. They’ve painted collective bargaining privileges, for example, as stolen human rights. The Fugitive 14 have mouthed the same messages, thereby furthering falsehoods and fomenting mob tactics, including but certainly not limited to:

occupation of our state house by every radical element imaginable from the Socialist Workers and Communist Parties to Voces de la Frontera and SDS
damage to state property
boycotts, picketing, and threats against businesses who supported Governor Walker’s 2010 campaign, some by police and firemens’ union officers, no less
death threats against our governor, lieutenant governor, and Republican legislators
wrong-headed but completely legal recall campaigns against senators who voted for the Budget Adjustment Bill

These people do not merit the offices they currently hold. They have betrayed all sense of honor and duty toward those who elected them.

If the grassroots could have filed on all 14 Democrat state senators, we would have done so. Unfortunately, several were immune for the period of one year, having just been through an election or a re-election campaign. The rest could not have been successfully recalled because of the way district lines are currently drawn. We believe we have the best shot at recalling these 4, and indeed we’ve seen a very positive response so far, despite our low, low budgets!

One of my own group members, Jeff Horn, heads up the Recall Mark Miller campaign. He has the hardest task, and the greatest number of signatures to collect (more than 20,000). A close colleague of mine in Eagle River, WI, Kim Simac, heads the Holperin recall. Both Kim and Jeff and others who work with them have experienced intimidation tactics as a result of their involvement in this initiative. I know Jeff is in touch with the other two campaign leaders, and they have likewise experienced ugliness. But no one is backing down in pursuing what they know is right.

A bit of personal perspective…

I live right in the middle of Madison, less than half a mile from the State Capitol Building. So, I have been a firsthand witness to “ground zero” in the government employee union war and its most visible battlefield. I have frequently been able to hear the chanting of thousands of union and and other leftist protestors from my house.

What these politicians have helped teachers’ unions to propagate, in particular, is abysmal. Classrooms have been wrongly used as bully pulpits in order to communicate union lies. Student walk-outs have been staged. Adolescents all the way down to very young children were encouraged in large numbers to leave school to be at the first week of the protests back in February. I not only saw these masses of children with my own eyes on several days, I spoke with many of them. Not one understood why they’d really been told to come.

In many cases, the behavior of these children turned thug-like. On February 17th, the Capitol went on lockdown because of the surly mood of the mob. I arrived just after the Capitol Police had asked legislators to lock their office doors. While waiting for a staffer to let me into the office of Sen. Glenn Grothman (R-20), I was accosted by intimidating union types who would not leave me alone. Once I was safely inside, a gang of adolescents came, banging and kicking on the Sen.’s office door so hard that we thought the glass might break. The children were chanting angry union slogans. I don’t know how to talk about this phenomenon without using the words indoctrination, brainwashing, and encouragement of delinquency. It was during this time that we got wind of the fact that the senate Democrats had left the state in order to prevent a vote on Governor Walker’s Budget Adjustment Bill.

Here in Madison, emboldened by the actions of the Fugitive 14, our Superintendent of Schools, the school board, the city council, much of the county board, the county sheriff, the mayor, and many in our police and fire department all openly declared themselves in support of the government employee unions. The county sheriff pulled his men from protective detail at the Capitol Building saying that they should not be used as a “palace guard.” On March 9th, the night the bill finally passed, Mayor Cieslewicz told the Madison Police Department to steer clear of the Capitol, giving the nod to the protestors who stormed and re-occupied the building that night. Cieslewicz then personally went to join the protestors inside the Capitol, where he was interviewed on video.

With the time provided to them by the Fugitive 14, Dane County, the City of Madison, and the Madison Metropolitan School District, along with many other collusive, local governmental bodies across the state, began to force through as many employee contracts and contract extensions as possible in advance of the application of Budget Adjustment Bill. Taxpayers in many of these counties and municipalities now face very difficult times ahead when far more substantial budget cuts come in June and the cost of these contracts falls fully upon them. The unions wanted their dues, and extending contracts was the way to get them. The dues money will be used in part to fund a major initiative to recall Governor Walker. A major strategy meeting among top union leaders was scheduled to take place in Janesville, WI late this month or early next for this effort.

As you now likely know, shortly after the Budget Adjustment bill finally did pass on March 9th, the unions did launch recall campaigns against 8 Republican senators who courageously stood for taxpayers and fiscal sanity in voting yes on the legislation. The unions are pouring a ton of money into these recall campaigns and are very likely to get the signatures they need in many if not all of the districts in question. They have imported out-of-state help and are almost certainly paying canvassers on a per signature basis. Sound familiar…? The probability of fraud is extraordinarily high. Unfortunately, because of the extremely brief window for examining the tens of thousands of signatures that will come in all at once when the recall period ends, many illegal/fraudulent signatures may go undetected and thus unchallenged.

I would ask you please to consider contributing to any or all of the Wisconsin’s conservative grassroots-led recall campaigns against Sens. Miller, Holperin, Hansen, and/or Wirch via the links provided above. Our efforts are vastly underfunded by comparison to the unions’, but we have already come a long way on very little. More money flowing into the coffers of these 4 grassroots campaigns will help to ensure that if the unions succeed in recalling any conservatives, we can stave off any damage and continue to hold the senate.

Any amount at all will help.

Please feel free to pass this message forward to others you know.

Wisconsin’s battle is far from over. We are fighting on a tremendous number of fronts right now in order to hold the ground that has been gained. If we lose on any of those fronts, we lose not just a battle but an entire war. I know you understand that if Wisconsin falls, the unions will gain that much more strength everywhere else. That simply cannot happen. Now is the time to stand. I would be so grateful and honored if you would stand with us.

God bless you all for your consideration and assistance.

In liberty,

Organizer
The Wisconsin 9/12 Project
Madison, WI

http://www.recallmarkmiller.com/
http://recalljim.com/
http://www.recallwirch.com/

reshas1 on March 30, 2011 at 11:04 AM

What? Did conservatives miss that there was a Tea Party rally at the mid-way point of the PEU protests?

ajacksonian on March 30, 2011 at 8:01 AM

Spot on. I also saw a post over at PowerLine that it seems the unions, having gotten what signatures from the PEU faithful have resorted to lies and distortions to get more people to sign their recall petitions against GOP Senators.

If they have to do that just to get enough signatures and given that PEU members have already started seeing a difference in their paychecks; methinks the libtards are due for a surprise when it actually comes time for people to vote yea or nay on recalls.

I’m concerned about Prosser’s chances, but even if the libtards pull it off, people need to remember that the judicial branch is a check on the exectuive & legislative powers and not a veto. If the executive & legislative branches stand against the judicial branch, then they win — in so far as it goes until it goes before SCOTUS. Bottomline, it’s all about timing.

Walker and friends should press on, i.e. right to work, positive ID checks at the polls etc, in the time left to them before the recall elections roll around. Whatever gains they make will stand until at the earliest that the case(s) even get to SCOTUS next year or the next.

By then the unions will be even more weakened as dues dry up. And even if overturned by SCOTUS, it would take years if ever to regain the union base.

AH_C on March 30, 2011 at 11:05 AM

Where did you study economics? Home-schooled? Yep, I figured. If nothing else, you’re right about where hollow GOP economic policies eventually lead!

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:21 PM

Tell ya what, boy. When leftist trash run on what they believe in, what they intend to raise the tax rates to (property taxes, sales taxes, income taxes) to feed the beast not only today, but tomorrow and into the future, I’ll believe you about conservatism being dead. Problem is, boy, is that you liberals are nothing but pu$$ys, in the arena of ideas, always running and hiding from what you intend to do.

By the way, boy, just what are YOUR economic ideas. You do have some, don’t you, and aren’t just another lefist pu$$y piece of garbage?

MNHawk on March 30, 2011 at 11:06 AM

Well I am a Tea Party Patriot and I have not ‘given up or moved on’.

It would be more correct to say that we TPPers have lives we have to take care of, not easy in this economy.

We put a helluva lot of energy into ’10 and we EXPECT those we elected to CARRY THE BALL while we try to right our own ships of state, our households.

We will be there in ’12, like we were in ’10, but I wouldnt count on our votes for those who roll over and beg like say…Mitch Daniels and the sad sad Indiana legislature who begged the Dems to come back.

Were I in Indiana I would be disheartened.

Were I in WI I would also be looking for the leadership.
The post on Ace HQ by Gabe says the law will still be implemented and the SC seat will still be held by the ‘good guy’ when the decision is made, but do the folks in WI know that? I havent seen that on the ‘news’. So maybe they are feeling defeated. It is up to their state leadership to motivate them and assure them all was not for naught.

Here in AZ we are on track. (Hey as the fiscal conservative/Social libertarian I even got Medical Marijuana in ’10!! and the final rules came out Monday. Excited!)

So no, nationally we are not ‘done’ but we need to recharge in between elections. We are real people, not college kids or labor protesters paid to rally with lots of free time, we have a lot of responsibilities and we cant go 24/7.

Besides, Barone should want us to save our energy for ’12, we are gonna need it.

ginaswo on March 30, 2011 at 11:14 AM

Where did you study economics? Home-schooled? Yep, I figured. If nothing else, you’re right about where hollow GOP economic policies eventually lead!

bifidis on March 29, 2011 at 10:21 PM

You people are ridiculous. Your economic “policies” — more like squalid indulgences — have brought the world to its knees. “Economics”? The word means only two things to you –control and command regardless of coherence. You only sustain yourselves via your vicious propagandizing enablers in the world media and in the so-called intelligentsia, and by pandering to the worst in human nature. Your era is over. Ruin is your only logical end, one to which you will try mightily to drag us all.

rrpjr on March 30, 2011 at 11:17 AM

PS just saw head of Chamber of Commerce on Varney and Co say they support a ‘user tax for highway infrastructure’ and that ‘mileage has gotten so much better it was like a 50% tax cut, we havent raised highway user fees on fed gas taxes in 38 years’ Well fxck you COC! Frakkers.

NO NEW TAXES YOU IDJITS!

What a maroon, way to pixx off the middle class.

ginaswo on March 30, 2011 at 11:17 AM

PS just saw head of Chamber of Commerce on Varney and Co say they support a ‘user tax for highway infrastructure’ and that ‘mileage has gotten so much better it was like a 50% tax cut, we havent raised highway user fees on fed gas taxes in 38 years’

ginaswo on March 30, 2011 at 11:17 AM

And on the flip side, there are so many more vehicles on the road that revenues from gas taxes have risen, so where’s the ‘tax-cut’?

Even the line about wear and tear is a canard, when the truth is that funds marked for highway & infrastructure have been siphoned off for unrelated ‘needs’ while neglecting the infrastructure. Giving the pols more taxes only ensure more pork for other projects

AH_C on March 30, 2011 at 11:23 AM

OMT: Rush has told us for quite some time now that he will let us know when it’s time to panic… I expect those words of warning coming from the golden EIB microphone soon. Keemo on March 30, 2011 at 7:35 AM

Revelations 12:1 “and when the portly one announces from his golden microphone that it is time the end times are upon us…”

Bradky on March 30, 2011 at 11:37 AM

Keemo on March 30, 2011 at 9:43 AM

Although I used your quote on my original rant I didn’t mean to single you out. I apologize for inferring you were a coward or you had quit. I had a moment.
I was speaking in general terms and I get a little annoyed when I read doom and gloom and I felt I was seeing more than a few comments like that.

Sounds like you are doing a great work there in Montana. I’m doing all I can but I know there is more I can still do. I ran for a small office last year. Didn’t make it. I have gone to townhall meetings, Tea Party rallies, (got to be a citizen reporter for PJTV back when the Tea Parties started for our Harrisburg Tea Party) posted signs for conservatives, gone door to door over and over, blogged of course, send emails and phone calls. I sometimes don’t get to meetings like I should but I am married with children. I have other commitments but I am increasing my time and energy in every area bit by bit.
We all can get overwhelmed. Some days I wake up and want to just throw in the towel, buy a bottle of Jack Daniels and a pack of Marlboro’s and say the heck with it, I’m heading to the beach. Call me when it’s over. But I don’t give in to that crap. I think a lot of my dad during WWII and all the garbage and real battles they had to face. I think of all the people who fought in our revolution. We read the stories but they were real people with their own hardships.
One thing I found out recently was there was a reason the British were burning churches here in the revolution. The pastors were preaching against the British! The pastors were inspiring the people to rebel and stand up for their rights! They were bringing the gospel to the streets in more ways then one….and then I look at some of our churches and the pretty sermons coming out of some churches and how they don’t want to offend anyone or get involved in politics and I want to puke…. but I digress.

Without going on another rant and I have other stuff to do anyway, again, I’m nobody special and I fight every day to stay upbeat about our future. I just hate it when I read a bunch of posts by people whining about how hopeless everything is.

JellyToast on March 30, 2011 at 11:45 AM

OMT: Rush has told us for quite some time now that he will let us know when it’s time to panic… I expect those words of warning coming from the golden EIB microphone soon. Keemo on March 30, 2011 at 7:35 AM
Revelations 12:1 “and when the portly one announces from his golden microphone that it is time the end times are upon us…”

Bradky on March 30, 2011 at 11:37 AM

ROTFLMAO!!

And verily the Portly One did say….”unthrown the jug-eared serpent for it is the only way to set thy people free.

And the people did say…”but the serpent is too corrupt and doth possess much gold donated by the stupid and a large slush-fund from the tax of the land..”

Tim_CA on March 30, 2011 at 11:53 AM

Unfortunately we may be nearing the point( predicted by Dick Morris) where the welfare constituency (and let’s face it all public service employees are welfare cases since they depend entirely on the taxpayers and are a net-negative to the GDP)becomes more than 50% of the populace. Already, it is likely, that non-taxpayers and public employees combined, may exceed 50% of the total population (if not the electorate). Of course all of this spending and waste is economically unsustainable but it appears to be the majority will- and, If so, all we can do is watch our country spiral down in flames and pray we will not be around to personally witness our final demise.

In the end, socialism, and other social give-away programs closely akin to it, destroy more countries than war ever did. Rome had already rotted away internally long before the Vandals sacked it because the Empire had become one vast, lazy welfare state.

MaiDee on March 30, 2011 at 12:13 PM

One things for sure old friend, when/if the sh*t hits the streets, Bill Maher and his ilk had better be in lock down. Reap what you sow just might rule the day.

Keemo on March 30, 2011 at 8:15 AM

In this Nation Jefferson had wanted a revolution every 20 years… but the Constitution gives you one every 2 years. What we have seen is the end-point of early 19th century politics grinding to a halt on its own presumptions: instead of a wise state to oversee the affairs of man, they have created a mendacious beast amenable to the whims of the few over the many.

What is going on has been called the next Great Awakening of America and the Great U-Turn of the Ship of State. Like any large vessel it turns slowly, but once you start it the thing is nearly impossible to stop. The Boomer Generation is the one that proclaimed itself so much better, numerous and wiser than all others because it was so large and catered to as it went through life. Now the spendthrift ways it has is being visited not upon their grandchildren, but upon them directly and they like it not and want a way out of their ways.

That way of liberty, freedom and recognizing government is the Punisher and only a necessary evil is coming into the minds of many, once more. Do you hand the jailer a whip and the cake so he can entice you and beat you at the same time? That is what we have designed and so many want the cake they will accept the lash… until they start to bleed to death from it. Then comes the Awakening that you made the cake and handed it to the jailer. Really, if you stopped doing that and looked after yourself, you would be asking for the lash so often… or at all.

The neighborhood around me prepares, we don’t know what is coming, but we can feel it… and see that the clouds do not go on forever. The cronies and hangers-on are about to find out how dispensible they are to their masters… who in turn will find they can be dispensed with, as well. They don’t like that feeling.

It is one that I suspect is much like standing at the shore and seeing the water suddenly retreat from you.

It portends something.

The Left wants to stand there and see what it is.

Just as the great ship turns so is there a great tide in the affairs of man. And it does not come back nicely, either of them, but with force and purpose.

ajacksonian on March 30, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Barone thinks because we’re not out picketing every weekend we’ve left the cause? Please. We helped elect people to government that otherwise would have failed. They are there to do the common sense work and right this nation. Unions want to break their own states? We’re watching, we’re taking notes, and we’ll vote again.

Republicans not cutting enough? Same deal. We’re watching, we’re taking notes, and we’ll vote again.

shades_of_gasden on March 30, 2011 at 12:24 PM

I want to commend all the posters here who didn’t let the negative tone of AP’s post get to us. Yeah, there are still fights to come but we can be proud of what we have accomplished. And we did it without riots and violence. We need to stand up and shout “Go Walker!” “Go Kasich!” “Go Corbett!” And the same for any poltico we see standing on Conservative principles, no matter who they are. There’s still alot of fight left in us and we won’t give up as we did in the past.
Oh geez I can’t believe I just posted a rah rah speech about politics. LOL

Deanna on March 30, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Responding to a telephone poll in Wisconsin, other than saying “Yes, I want the Communists in charge, again” could be detrimental to your health.

RADIOONE on March 30, 2011 at 12:32 PM

The only real issue with the Tea Party is that there are so many of us, but we aren’t well organized and many of us are afraid of “outing” ourselves, making organizing more difficult.

For example, you search “Tea party” and get tons of different sites with the same general theme, but it’s difficult to see which is THE one. Is it the Tea Party Express? The Tea Party.net?

And, once you choose a site and look for local groups, it’s another maze. In my area I counted 4 different Tea Party groups. Only a few actually have an email address for contacting the organizers. I’m active but don’t recognize any of the organizers.

We need a Soros to help give us bazillions to get all our groups together. Koch brothers, help us!!

NTWR on March 30, 2011 at 2:06 PM

Same deal. We’re watching, we’re taking notes, and we’ll vote again.

shades_of_gasden on March 30, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Problem is, with things currently the way they are with senators being popular vote upon, your vote (along with bizarrely constructed districts) make your vote count less, or not at all.
It is not enough to just go out & vote.
You have to be a role model everyday of your life for these principles.
And run yourself, or take on some leadership role somewhere in your life.
But protesting?
Nah. We’re doing our little part all right here, blogging & discussing.
We just need more people to do something.

Badger40 on March 30, 2011 at 2:08 PM

THE one.
NTWR on March 30, 2011 at 2:06 PM

There doesn’t have to be ONE. There can be many.
All based on the same premise.
But you gotta pick a small platform.
Bcs the more issues you add to it, the less unity you will have.

Badger40 on March 30, 2011 at 2:10 PM

One things for sure old friend, when/if the sh*t hits the streets, Bill Maher and his ilk had better be in lock down. Reap what you sow just might rule the day.

Keemo on March 30, 2011 at 8:15 AM

always nice to know who relishes the thought of America failing so they can extract their vengeance in a lawless environment….

Bradky on March 30, 2011 at 2:21 PM

Rush was just saying on his show that it’s funny all this is coming out right now about the Tea Party, neg. polls, losing steam, etc. JournOlist and Shumer must have gotten the message..

reshas1 on March 30, 2011 at 4:33 PM

(and let’s face it all public service employees are welfare cases since they depend entirely on the taxpayers and are a net-negative to the GDP)

MaiDee on March 30, 2011 at 12:13 PM

My definition of wealth is what can be taken out of Mother Earth and fashioned into things that most people don’t have the skill or equipment to make themselves or to grow or capture a surplus of food.

So by the logic presented in the quote box above, we should get rid of all occupations that can’t turn iron ore into a machine; teachers, ministers, doctors, military, police, firefighters, actors, TV/radio personalities, authors, poets, musicians, salesmen, insurance companies, plumbers (they don’t actually make PVC or copper fittings), electricians (they don’t actually make wire or generators) and I’m sure several others.

I’m intrigued. I’ve often wondered what it would be like to live in a pre-industrial society. But in the delusional fantasy world of the ultra-Conservative, we wouldn’t even have so much as the paintings of bison on the walls of our caves-who needs those pagan superfluous expressions of Humanity anyway?

Anyone that doesn’t do my kind of work or supply my direct needs isn’t needed. Interesting. Some sort of weird ultra-Conservative economic eugenics.

Hard choices we’re facing these days. Either we’ll have hammers and sickles all over the place and singing the Internationale, or Oliver Cromwell admirers telling the womenfolk to wear long dresses covering up their ankles.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 30, 2011 at 5:40 PM

I have an idea to get enthusiasm up about conservative ideas. Let’s talk about Obama’s birth certificate some more. It will win people over.

thuja on March 30, 2011 at 8:44 AM

First Obama Birth Certificate comment I have seen today.

CWforFreedom on March 30, 2011 at 6:46 PM

The Tea Party hasn’t even started. That was only Round 1. The left is uber paranoid that they may lose maybe double what they did in the last election. I believe that number to be 750 or so. They tried to isolate and discount it even existed. Then said it was Astroturf(Nazi Pelosi)and didn’t have any reality to it. Then it was ALL WHITE and racist, when in reality the only color that mattered was GREEN, theirs!!!!!! Accused by MSNBC no less, where the only thing you’ll find there is ALL WHITE LIMOSINE LIBERALS backed by the biggest CORPORATION(hide under the bed at the mere mention, Progressive fools)backed by the richest Progressive/Socialist/Communist(Soros. Which by the way is spelled backward and forward the same. No big deal unless it’s a sign he’s the Devil trying to destroy the United States.) Finally the Tea Party is too Pooped to be “Teabaggers” and is dying. They have no argument against the Tea Party. They have bankrupted the country into a Depression. See, the old adage of Socialism making every one equally poor is happening before our eyes.

I know I’m rambling here and jumping all over. Point being, Americans vote with their wallets, and even with Sissy Matthews and Co. using Alinsky garbage to try to destroy this ALL AMERICAN MOVEMENT, no one(unless they are Union or Acorn or Planned Parenthood or Teachers’ Unions)can honestly say they are better off than TWO(!!!!)years ago. Not even a corrupt media can pull off that kind of BS. Lightning rarely strikes the same place twice…..

adamsmith on March 31, 2011 at 6:49 AM

Just read Dr Zhivblago above. I feel like that all the time. Commies to the left and the 700Club snakehandlers on the other. Isn’t there any American left whom wants a government that can’t make choices for them?

adamsmith on March 31, 2011 at 6:53 AM

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