Push-up bikinis for grade-school girls?

posted at 4:00 pm on March 27, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Is it possible to be both disgusted and jaded at the same time? As a grandparent, the latest line of swimwear from the purveyors at Abercrombie & Fitch disgusts me, but hardly surprises any more. ABC reports that A&F has a new line of bikinis for preadolescents that feature padded, “push-up” bikini tops for girls as young as eight years old — the same age as one of my granddaughters. Not only is the retailer already known for its near-soft-porn exploitation of teens to sell sex to preadolescents, they’re now selling inadequacy and insecurity, too:

After A&F took heat from the media, they changed the wording on their website to “striped triangle,” but the product hasn’t changed at all:

CNN also covers this today:

“How is this okay for a second-grader?” asked Rebecca Odes in a recent post on the Babble parenting blog.

“Playing at sexy is an inevitable and important part of growing up. But there’s a difference between exploring these ideas on your own and having them sold to you in a children’s catalog,” she wrote.

Gail Dines, a sociology professor at Wheelock College in Boston, similarly slammed the top, saying it would encourage girls to think about themselves in a sexual way before they are ready.

“It (also) sends out really bad signals to adult men about young girls being appropriate sexual objects,” she told CNN affiliate WHDH.

The biggest danger is to the girls who feel they need to compete on bust size before they even start to develop. What this product and its marketing tells them is that their bodies are inadequate and that they need to change their body shape immediately in order to be seen as attractive. Adolescent girls and young women already get bombarded with that message far too much as it is without starting in grade school.

The question isn’t why parents would buy something like this from Abercrombie & Fitch.  It’s why they would allow their money to be spent there at all.

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Hey, the free market works!

Proud Rino on March 27, 2011 at 7:01 PM

So, if a company wants to sell crack to an 8 yr old that would be fine too?

Vanity and sexuality are like crack for our egos.

I think localities are justified when they enact laws that “protect” us from our baser instincts. Don’t religions do the same thing?

mockmook on March 27, 2011 at 8:51 PM

Glad I was never your kid. I’m hardly suggesting be a slave to whatever the latest fashion of the hour is, but everyone wants to look nice and find clothes that suit their personality.

I suppose your ideal would be for us all to dress like the Amish. Sorry, but no.

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 7:56 PM

I’m going to hazard a guess that you never catapulted yourself out of a mulberry tree when you were young.

Voyager on March 27, 2011 at 8:51 PM

Reminds me of a friend whose 14 yr old daughter was preparing for a school dance. It sounded to me like a whole lot of effort that one would associate with a high school prom. Nails had to be done, dress fittings, hair had to be done, etc. After the weekend of the big shin-dig he showed me some photos he took. I couldn’t believe what I was looking at. His daughter and her several friends all looked like they were ready to stake out their street corner for business. The funny part was as I was speechless my friend spoke up supplying the observation “they look like a bunch of hookers, don’t they”.

Zdad on March 27, 2011 at 8:52 PM

Wrong. An 8-year old girl doesn’t need lining.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 4:19 PM

If their breasts are already developing and they don’t want them to show through the material, yes, they should have the option of buying lined suits.

Blake on March 27, 2011 at 8:53 PM

canopfor on March 27, 2011 at 8:36 PM
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Agreed. Toddlers and Tiaras is disgusting. I never watch it.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM

ladyingray:Agreed,my wife as well,share the same idea,I’ve
watched a few TLC Shows,and the feeling I get,is
very close to abuse,for what those poor girls go
through!

I think,also,what thrust the Little Girl Pagents,
into the national debate,back when,was the case
of JonBenét Ramsey murder!!:)

canopfor on March 27, 2011 at 8:54 PM

Um, what do bell-bottoms or tie dye have to do with anything? That would be found at Wal-Mart (or JC Penney and BBelk for you snobs). Y’all are just into spending money on cclothes because it makes you feel good about your selves. I’m sorry for you.

And don’t generalize and say “boys are different”. A friend of mine often complained that while her older boy was perfectly content with non-name brand stuff, that her younger son was quite different. He got over it as he grew up.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:27 PM

You disagreed with her idea of buying sylish clothes for kids.

Who gives a crap about clothes being stylish for kids?

Fine. I wanted to point out that fashions aren’t always bad or sexy, as in bell-bottoms, etc. For some reason you seem determined to dislike or refer to it as snobbish, anything that may be fashionable or even popular. As for genralizing…weren’t you doing that?
You’re free to shop wherever you want but I think putting down people who choose to buy better made(and yes they are made better, I have a pair of jeans that I have worn for years but you would call them snobby designer)) and stylish clothes is at the least rude. What we do with our money is our business, not yours.
Oh and I am not young. As a matter of fact I’m old and a great grandmother who has always shopped for value and quality.

Deanna on March 27, 2011 at 8:55 PM

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:50 PM

Ahhhh. Wonderful darlin’
Y’all believe in a literal Bible like we do.

OmahaConservative on March 27, 2011 at 8:55 PM

but if you can’t have a more civil discussion, then go on and show your a*s, brag about your ‘perfect son’ (in your opinion), and have people like Key West Reader cheer you on. I’m sure it makes you feel good about yourself, though frankly, you seem a bit unhinged, in my opinion.

pannw on March 27, 2011 at 8:49 PM

My son is far from perfect, and I never claimed otherwise, Neither am I. But I don’t blame ‘society’ for either his or my shortcomings, unlike the blameless pannw.

I’m not vile, I’m responsible. Raising your children is your responsibility, not mine. Accept that fact. If you can’t overcome the crap from public school or media, then don’t have children.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:55 PM

Wrong. An 8-year old girl doesn’t need lining.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 4:19 PM
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If their breasts are already developing and they don’t want them to show through the material, yes, they should have the option of buying lined suits.

Blake on March 27, 2011 at 8:53 PM

Blake:Up here in Canada,we call that a snowsiut!!(sarc).

canopfor on March 27, 2011 at 8:55 PM

I think localities are justified when they enact laws that “protect” us from our baser instincts. Don’t religions do the same thing?

mockmook on March 27, 2011 at 8:51 PM

Liberalism does. Happy Meals come to mind.

Bee on March 27, 2011 at 8:56 PM

So, if a company wants to sell crack to an 8 yr old that would be fine too?

mockmook on March 27, 2011 at 8:51 PM

I don’t normally defend PR, but crack is not a legal product. Chose something else to make your point.

Not to mention…8 year olds don’t normally have the money to buy crack, and if their parents buy them crack, then that is worse than a parent buying clothes that whore-up their daughter. It’s not only bad parenting, it’s illegal.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:58 PM

If their breasts are already developing and they don’t want them to show through the material, yes, they should have the option of buying lined suits.

Blake on March 27, 2011 at 8:53 PM

As have others have commented, little girl bathing suits are lined. I moved on, shall you?

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:59 PM

Young girls’ ‘Single Ladies’ dance controversy
May 14, 2010
*************
*************

I nearly started crying when I watched this video of girls as young as 8 performing at a California dance competition. Then I just got straight-out ticked off when I read this “Good Morning America” story, which quotes one of the girl’s fathers saying:

“This is taken completely out of context,” Cory Miller, father of one of the girls, told “Good Morning America” today. “The girls weren’t meant to be viewed by millions of people.”

Miller said they have tried to slow the spread of the video, but viewers need to understand that the girls’ performance was “completely normal for dancing.”

Completely normal for dancing? Exotic dancing? And what is wrong with the crowd, which is going completely nuts for their performance? The reaction should have been stunned silence.

When I was about their age, I performed in our school talent show to a song about hippos wearing what looked like a sequin one-piece swimsuit.
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http://blog.timesunion.com/parenting/7980/young-girls-single-ladies-dance-controversy/

canopfor on March 27, 2011 at 9:00 PM

I have to go to bed. I need to get up at two AM for work.

OmahaConservative on March 27, 2011 at 9:02 PM

And lo…I never called Palin a “drama queen”. Only the ‘nistas Palinistas Palin-supporters (I’m even gonna be nice and not say those other terms, as I’ve gotten crud for it) ;) JetBoy on March 27, 2011 at 8:17 PM

Lol. Jetboy you can feel free to call me a ‘nista whenever you want. To me it rolls off the tongue better than some of the other ridiculous names I have seen around here. And I know you will grudgingly pull the lever for Palin if she gets the nod which is more than I can say for some of the other ABPs around here.

Kataklysmic on March 27, 2011 at 9:02 PM

You disagreed with her idea of buying sylish clothes for kids.

Deanna on March 27, 2011 at 8:55 PM

You have no idea of the t-shirts my son got from Wal-Mart and were stylish for him. He has a sense of humor and is quite comfortable with not ‘blending in’ with the crowd. That attitude allowed him to feel confident to publically disagree with his teachers in public school.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:03 PM

I have to go to bed. I need to get up at two AM for work.

OmahaConservative on March 27, 2011 at 9:02 PM

Jeebus! go to bed!!

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:04 PM

So, if a company wants to sell crack to an 8 yr old that would be fine too?

mockmook on March 27, 2011 at 8:51 PM

Newsflash: Crack is illegal.

Proud Rino on March 27, 2011 at 9:06 PM

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:55 PM

Well, that’s news I’ve never gotten from your constant harping about how great he turned out. Thanks for clearing that up. And at no time did I say I was blameless, but you go on and put words into my mouth ie lie. Someone doesn’t have to be blameless even if there is blame to go around. I’m well aware that I have responsibility for raising my children. I am also well aware that I have the entire culture fighting against me, including people like you who want to hold society blameless for the immorality it fosters.

pannw on March 27, 2011 at 9:07 PM

You disagreed with her idea of buying sylish clothes for kids.

Deanna on March 27, 2011 at 8:55 PM

You think A&F is stylish and appropriate for kids? Because that is how I take that comment.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:08 PM

Jeebus! go to bed!!

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:04 PM

Well, it did get dark. I like that.

OmahaConservative on March 27, 2011 at 9:09 PM

I am also well aware that I have the entire culture fighting against me, including people like you who want to hold society blameless for the immorality it fosters.

pannw on March 27, 2011 at 9:07 PM

Sorry, I don’t hold to the cop out that it takes a village to raise a child.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:09 PM

As have others have commented, little girl bathing suits are lined. I moved on, shall you?

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:59 PM

Wrong. An 8-year old girl doesn’t need lining.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Not all suits are lined. If a girl wants to buy a lined suit, she should have that option, whether you approve or not.

No, you haven’t moved on. You’re as b*tchy as ever.

Blake on March 27, 2011 at 9:10 PM

Wow! It’s articles like this, that make me thankful for a daughter who gravitates toward modest styles. Even though she is a confident girl, she has never been comfortable showing a lot of skin.

ZeeMI on March 27, 2011 at 9:13 PM

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 8:32 PM

3-pack t-shirts? Obviously, you don’t know what kind of t-shirts I am talking about. And with your expose on fashion, yeah, I’d call you a snob. But I’m sure you are young.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:46 PM

At my local Walmart they sell 3-paks of basic colored shirts. You can also buy the “nicer” shirts individually from the giant shelves of t-shirts or occasionally hanging on hangers out in the clothing area. (Yes, I shop at Walmart. I just don’t buy my clothes there because they don’t have anything I like and I can get better quality stuff for the same price at Goodwill anyway.)

Coming from you, I’ll take snob as a compliment. Knowing about brands, cut and style does not make you a snob, it makes you an informed shopper. It means I know what manufacturers sell the best quality and who produces the styles that best suit my body type and personal taste. It means I know how to get the most money for my hard-earned dollar. Why should I go buy a no-name artificial fiber suit that doesn’t fit right and looks like cr*p on me when I can get a classically-tailored wool one at the thrift store for the same price? Why should I buy fake leather dress shoes from Walmart that give me blisters and wear out after 3 months when I can get all-leather Ferragamo and Coach for $20 per pair, gently used? Why pay $30 for an ugly pleather handbag that will give me a rash when I can get beautiful Bottega Veneta at the consignment store for the same price?

My preference for name brands stems from the fact that much of this clothing is simply better made. They use natural fibers–a big deal when you have sensitive skin**–and the pattern-cutters actually put care into making sure that their designs will fit the wearer.*** And a lot of these clothes will still be wearable decades from now, so not only do I look better, I save money in the long run by buying classically-tailored pieces.

Wanting to have nice things is not snobbery. I don’t buy Walmart clothes but I also don’t look down my nose at those who do. You on the other hand seem to have a chip on your shoulder about this issue for some reason. I’d suggest joining us here on the dark side. We have double coupons!

**Did you ever hear the story about the Walmart flip-flops that were giving people chemical burns? Just sayin’…

***I don’t know how many cheap dresses I’ve tried on only to discover that the pattern was cut so that the wearer could comfortably smuggle melons without being detected by customs.

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Not all suits are lined. If a girl wants to buy a lined suit, she should have that option, whether you approve or not.

No, you haven’t moved on. You’re as b*tchy as ever.

Blake on March 27, 2011 at 9:10 PM

I don’t really care if an 8 year old buys a lined swim suit. I merely stated that I didn’t think it was needed. Others have disagreed and that is fine. Move on, Blake.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:14 PM

I’ll miss the thread as I slumber. RATZ!

OmahaConservative on March 27, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Jus sayin!!

canopfor on March 27, 2011 at 8:31 PM
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Shootin’ the beaver they were. And we were lookin’
Guilty as charged.
:)

OmahaConservative on March 27, 2011 at 8:41 PM

OmahaConservative:Oy,*my eyes*,true be dat!!:)

canopfor on March 27, 2011 at 9:15 PM

I’m going to hazard a guess that you never catapulted yourself out of a mulberry tree when you were young.

Voyager on March 27, 2011 at 8:51 PM

No, but I did dig a tunnel through my backyard that would have made Steve McQueen proud.

/Parents never sent me to the cooler.

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 9:16 PM

I’ll miss the thread as I slumber. RATZ!

OmahaConservative on March 27, 2011 at 9:14 PM

OmahaConservative:)
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Sweet OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE (OBE’s),and the bathroom light is ON-:)

canopfor on March 27, 2011 at 9:17 PM

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 9:14 PM

I never skimp on shoes and I rarely buy anything but a leather purse. Of course, I carry one (never switching out) until it literally falls apart. I don’t give a hoot what anyone pays for clothes or where they shop, just don’t look down on those who don’t choose designer stuff. Regardless of cost, there are many people quite comfortable without the name-brand stuff. Some of us get the really important things in life, and honey, stylish clothes just ain’t it.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:19 PM

I always enjoy good slugfests.

OmahaConservative on March 27, 2011 at 9:19 PM

I don’t really care if an 8 year old buys a lined swim suit. I merely stated that I didn’t think it was needed. Others have disagreed and that is fine. Move on, Blake.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Jill1066 on March 27, 2011 at 4:33 PM

An 8-year old doesn’t need lining. Don’t buy white.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 4:42 PM

Your bizarre comments are memorialize for people to read. You can’t spin your way out of this. Obviously, your panties are still in a twist. You move on.

Blake on March 27, 2011 at 9:20 PM

I always enjoy good slugfests.

OmahaConservative on March 27, 2011 at 9:19 PM

Well, then: POW! You’re welcome. :)

Blake on March 27, 2011 at 9:22 PM

Sweet OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE (OBE’s),and the bathroom light is ON-:)

canopfor on March 27, 2011 at 9:17 PM

Heh.
You are are perv after my own heart.
Love you bro’

OmahaConservative on March 27, 2011 at 9:22 PM

I don’t know what career you have chosen for yourself, but dressing like a hooker is not dressing for success.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:40 PM

I think you’re reading what your imagination wants you to see and not what’s actually on the page.

Children need to be taught how to dress for every occasion. Unless you grow up to be a computer programmer, jeans and Birkenstocks are not acceptable in the workplace. It’s important to be a smart shopper, learn what clothes look good on you and where to get them at affordable prices so that you make a good impression when presenting your latest research project to the corporate bigwigs. Personally, I prefer Brooks Brothers, Armani and and Van Heusen, your mileage may vary.

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 9:22 PM

Oh and I am not young. As a matter of fact I’m old and a great grandmother who has always shopped for value and quality.

Deanna on March 27, 2011 at 8:55 PM

You’ve had those jeans for year, that is great. I don’t care what they cost. Would you have paid that price for a pair of jeans for a kid growing through growing spurts and would only be able to wear them for a couple of months?

I am unsure why y’all have missed that point of my post when I clearly said that. My son is a grown man and now buys his own clothes. I don’t really care where he spends his money. It is his money.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Sorry, I don’t hold to the cop out that it takes a village to raise a child.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:09 PM

Are you intentionally being obtuse or is Blake on to something? I never said it takes a village and you know it. I don’t need help raising my children, but it would be helpful if the village wasn’t constantly trying to undermine me. Since you claim to be Southern Baptist, I’m surprised you are attacking me when I’m only trying to defend my children from the evil being promoted. There is a reason the Bible teaches us to flee all that is evil. It is a strong influence on impressionable minds and like I said, I can’t put my children in a closet to avoid those influences. I think you know that, but instead you defend the horrid promoters of all things evil saying they have no blame. That’s messed up.

pannw on March 27, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Your bizarre comments are memorialize for people to read. You can’t spin your way out of this. Obviously, your panties are still in a twist. You move on.

Blake on March 27, 2011 at 9:20 PM

Keep up, Blake. Obviously, you haven’t seen that the convo has moved on from lined swimsuits to stylish clothing.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Keep up, Blake. Obviously, you haven’t seen that the convo has moved on from lined swimsuits to stylish clothing.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:27 PM

No, witch, you don’t get to make your dumbass comments without getting a much needed slap back. And obviously you haven’t noticed that your “stylish” convo thinks you are as crazy as I do.

Blake on March 27, 2011 at 9:30 PM

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 9:22 PM

I’m an Accountant. Jeans aren’t acceptable, but I do were Berks because of a foot problem. I always look professional. I just don’t need designer clothes to do it, but I don’t really care if someone else wears designer stuff. Just don’t look down on me because I don’t.

And I have no problem with presenting financials to the CFO and CEO in the way I dress. ;)

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:30 PM

A&F do this stuff every other year because a bunch of people end up bringing attention to their stores with their protests.

Seeing as this story is being pushed around everywhere, its mission accomplished for A&F.

El_Terrible on March 27, 2011 at 9:31 PM

No, witch, you don’t get to make your dumbass comments without getting a much needed slap back. And obviously you haven’t noticed that your “stylish” convo thinks you are as crazy as I do.

Blake on March 27, 2011 at 9:30 PM

witch? What did I do to you? How have I offended you? What did I say that hurt your feelings that you feel the need to call me a name?

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:32 PM

El_Terrible on March 27, 2011 at 9:31 PM

Yep. It’s all for cheap publicity and it’s a yearly stunt.

Blake on March 27, 2011 at 9:33 PM

Bee on March 27, 2011 at 8:28 PM

Great to see you!..:)

Dire Straits on March 27, 2011 at 9:33 PM

A&F is like Lady Gaga, they’ll do anything for the attention.

El_Terrible on March 27, 2011 at 9:33 PM

witch? What did I do to you? How have I offended you? What did I say that hurt your feelings that you feel the need to call me a name?

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:32 PM

You’re dishonest and pushy. You deliberately twist what people are saying. You deserved to be called a lot worse than witch. Now, move on.

Blake on March 27, 2011 at 9:34 PM

I don’t give a hoot what anyone pays for clothes or where they shop, just don’t look down on those who don’t choose designer stuff. Regardless of cost, there are many people quite comfortable without the name-brand stuff.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:19 PM

Wow, project much? Of course, this proves you’re only reading the parts of my posts you want to read and then filling in the rest with self-righteous whaargarbl, because otherwise you might have seen the parts where I explicitly stated that I’m not a brand snob, but I do have a preference for certain brands which produce clothing I think fits me better and looks better on me.

being knowledgeable about clothes != clothes snob

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 9:38 PM

witch? What did I do to you? How have I offended you? What did I say that hurt your feelings that you feel the need to call me a name?

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:32 PM

Oh…that’s rich. You’re really going to call him out for calling you a name? After you called me a dumbass? You’re a piece of work.

pannw on March 27, 2011 at 9:39 PM

I think you know that, but instead you defend the horrid promoters of all things evil saying they have no blame. That’s messed up.

pannw on March 27, 2011 at 9:25 PM

I have not defended A&F. I said I have never spent a penny there, and I never will. Their advertising is vile and their clothing is crap. I have said how hard it is to raise a son to respect women when parents voluntarily permit their daughters to dress like sluts. Even at church. Of course you have to fight it, just as I did. But you can’t blame others for your fight. We both know you have that fight and you just have to do it. It is a daily fight. Just win it, that’s all you can do. I don’t care where you buy your kid’s clothing or where you buy yours, my entire point is that parents do not have to give in to the peer pressure when kids say, “all my friends dress this way” or “the popular kids wear this”.

Jeeze, but you people are obtuse.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:40 PM

A&F is like Lady Gaga, they’ll do anything for the attention.

El_Terrible on March 27, 2011 at 9:33 PM


MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…

/No clicky unless you want to see fire-breathing cone bras.

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 9:41 PM

You’re dishonest and pushy. You deliberately twist what people are saying. You deserved to be called a lot worse than witch. Now, move on.

Blake on March 27, 2011 at 9:34 PM

How am I dishonest? I said I didn’t think 8 year olds need lining on a bathing suit, others disagreed. Fine. The conversation has moved on to another topic. I don’t deny that I said that.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:42 PM

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 9:38 PM

I said I don’t care if you buy designer stuff and I don’t. Just don’t look down on those of us who don’t give a damn.

I admit to being a food snob. Kraft cheese and JIF Crunchy peanut butter or I ain’t buyin’ it. What’s the big deal.

Buy what looks good on you, I don’t care. Just don’t look down on me when I buy something different.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:45 PM

You disagreed with her idea of buying sylish clothes for kids.

Deanna on March 27, 2011 at 8:55 PM

You think A&F is stylish and appropriate for kids? Because that is how I take that comment.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:08 PM

I don’t know what career you have chosen for yourself, but dressing like a hooker is not dressing for success.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:40 PM

How am I dishonest?

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:42 PM

By choosing to deliberately misinterpret what others have said and then pretending you are not doing exactly that.

sharrukin on March 27, 2011 at 9:47 PM

Just don’t look down on those of us who don’t give a damn.

Just don’t look down on me when I buy something different.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:45 PM

I don’t buy Walmart clothes but I also don’t look down my nose at those who do.

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Anyway…

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 9:48 PM

How am I dishonest? I said I didn’t think 8 year olds need lining on a bathing suit, others disagreed. Fine. The conversation has moved on to another topic. I don’t deny that I said that.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:42 PM

I told you how and you are continuing to do it.

Blake on March 27, 2011 at 9:48 PM

By choosing to deliberately misinterpret what others have said and then pretending you are not doing exactly that.

sharrukin on March 27, 2011 at 9:47 PM

Geeze…

Why would anyone buy ‘stylish’ clothes for kids when they outgrow them in a few months, not to mention kids hate them in a few wearings? It’s just stupid. Forgive me for having that opinion.

I’m sorry, but posters here defending ‘stylish’ clothing for kids on a thread about A&F says to ME says a lot. I’m sorry for my opinion in this matter.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:51 PM

Now, several people have told you how and you are continuing to do it to them, too. Just stop it.

Blake on March 27, 2011 at 9:51 PM

Anyway…

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 9:48 PM

Fine. We are in total agreement then.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:52 PM

Still doing it…

Blake on March 27, 2011 at 9:53 PM

Now, several people have told you how and you are continuing to do it to them, too. Just stop it.

Blake on March 27, 2011 at 9:51 PM

Sure thing. Whatever you say, boss.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:55 PM

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:55 PM

DangerHighVoltage set out an example how you deliberately and dishonestly implied she said something she never said or implied. Are you in “total agreement” that you are a dishonest hack? Or, are you just misrepresenting, again, what she said? Either way, enough people are on to you. Just stop it.

Blake on March 27, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Why would anyone buy ‘stylish’ clothes for kids when they outgrow them in a few months, not to mention kids hate them in a few wearings? It’s just stupid. Forgive me for having that opinion.

I agree with you on that point and it upset my niece to no end, but the alternative to that is not ‘dressing like a hooker’.

I’m sorry, but posters here defending ‘stylish’ clothing for kids on a thread about A&F says to ME says a lot. I’m sorry for my opinion in this matter.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:51 PM

It’s not and all one thing, or all the other. My tastes and clothing more closely reflect yours but that isn’t the same as saying that Walmart and A&F are the only two options available.

sharrukin on March 27, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Why would anyone buy ‘stylish’ clothes for kids when they outgrow them in a few months, not to mention kids hate them in a few wearings? It’s just stupid. Forgive me for having that opinion.

I’m sorry, but posters here defending ‘stylish’ clothing for kids on a thread about A&F says to ME says a lot. I’m sorry for my opinion in this matter.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:51 PM

You really aren’t worth it but I will try one last time.

stylish != trashy

also

stylish != “trendy”

There are plenty of places to get clothes that look good at affordable prices. When the kid outgrows their clothes, they can be passed along to younger family members or donated or consigned. (Incidentally, children’s consignment shops are a great place to buy clothes on the cheap since everybody else’s kids are having growth spurts too.) Buying nice clothes is not a “waste” unless you are a profoundly stupid shopper.

Allowing a kid to pick out their wardrobe is a safe way to allow them some freedom of choice and give them the opportunity to make responsible decisions. It is also a great way to teach them the value of the dollar. Kid wants some expensive purse? Make them get a job and earn the money themselves. Kid likes {insert brand here} clothes? Teach them how to stretch their budget at the Salvation Army by buying used. When I was growing up, my friend’s mom taught her how to budget expenses by giving her $X every year for school clothes and turning her loose to buy what she wanted. She had to plan out a year’s worth of wardrobe necessities and balance that out with what she wanted. Never did she pick anything that made her look trashy or unpresentable. Mostly she just bought jeans and retro stuff from Goodwill.

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 10:06 PM

My tastes and clothing more closely reflect yours but that isn’t the same as saying that Walmart and A&F are the only two options available.

sharrukin on March 27, 2011 at 9:59 PM

I have never said those are the only two options available.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 10:07 PM

When I was growing up, my friend’s mom taught her how to budget expenses by giving her $X every year for school clothes and turning her loose to buy what she wanted. She had to plan out a year’s worth of wardrobe necessities and balance that out with what she wanted. Never did she pick anything that made her look trashy or unpresentable. Mostly she just bought jeans and retro stuff from Goodwill.

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 10:06 PM

Yeah, my parents did the same, which is where I learned that buying designer clothes is stupid. Not only did I have to buy my clothing out of the $X, but I had to buy my personal items such as deo, toothpaste, make up, etc., out of said amount. I learned a lot about the value of a dollar.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 10:10 PM

Once again A&F has managed to get some free advertising. If you sit back and look at this seriously, not a lot of mothers are going to purchase this item for their 8 year old. 14 or 15, maybe, but then, at that age they have moved on to VS. But, some will be curious and wander into A&F for a look at this bathing suit top and perhaps buy a belt, shirt, jeans, socks..? Maybe someone should think about hiring one or two of their PR peeps to prop up a conservative candidate for President.

nwpammy on March 27, 2011 at 10:18 PM

Maybe someone should think about hiring one or two of their PR peeps to prop up a conservative candidate for President.

nwpammy on March 27, 2011 at 10:18 PM

*snort

Not a bad idea…

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 10:20 PM

Everyone take a breath.

It’s just a retail product for which you, as an adult, have a choice to purchase or ignore. Don’t buy it for your kid if you don’t like it. If enouff people ignore them, then the nonprofitable product line disappears.

The free market works.

Alden Pyle on March 27, 2011 at 10:43 PM

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 9:40 PM

We are obtuse? You really are dishonest. That is not the ‘conversation’ we have been having. You are backpedaling, Lady. You have attacked me from the moment I said that children are sexualized in schools, media, etc (which is true)…and you said I had no one to blame for it but parents themselves, meaning the schools, media, culture in general have no responsibility or blame whatsoever. That is patently false. They do hold some blame, yet you refused to acknowledge it. I never said they were solely to blame and I believe and have acknowledged that parents have responsibility to protect the child as much as possible, but we can’t shield them from everything, and anyone or organization pushing immorality onto children holds a share of blame too. That is what I have argued, and you continued to attack me for it. I have never said I didn’t have responsibility. I have never said I gave into peer pressure, yet you have called me a loser, a weak parent (without any knowledge of my parenting or my children’s behavior, etc) and a dumbass. You have been hateful, vulgar and on the wrong side of this debate, for some reason attacking me, a fellow Christian and struggling mom who is only trying to defend her children against a constant barrage of immorality instead of supporting me, and I honestly don’t know why, particularly after just admitting you faced the same struggles.

If your son has come through as unscathed as you claim, consider yourself very blessed. I have known very good and loving parents who have lost children to the immoral culture. Did they do something wrong? Were they loser weak dumbasses? If so, why did some turn out well, while one succumbed to temptation?

Frankly, if my children come through this filthy culture in relatively good shape, regardless of how much I fight and the number of times I hear how mean I am and how my children are ‘the only ones who don’t get to….” I will fall on my knees and thank God. Honestly, I don’t know why I’m not on them now instead of arguing here.

pannw on March 27, 2011 at 10:53 PM

pannw on March 27, 2011 at 10:53 PM

God bless you.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 10:58 PM

..pushing up what, exactly?

The War Planner on March 27, 2011 at 11:00 PM

I think you’re reading what your imagination wants you to see and not what’s actually on the page.

Children need to be taught how to dress for every occasion. Unless you grow up to be a computer programmer, jeans and Birkenstocks are not acceptable in the workplace. It’s important to be a smart shopper, learn what clothes look good on you and where to get them at affordable prices so that you make a good impression when presenting your latest research project to the corporate bigwigs. Personally, I prefer Brooks Brothers, Armani and and Van Heusen, your mileage may vary.

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 9:22 PM

I’m glad you weren’t my mother. I’d have been wearing a pair of *** damn Ferragamo’s to kindergarten instead of my L.A. Lights.

Good Solid B-Plus on March 27, 2011 at 11:13 PM

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 10:58 PM

Thank you. Pax vobis.

pannw on March 27, 2011 at 11:27 PM

I’m glad you weren’t my mother. I’d have been wearing a pair of *** damn Ferragamo’s to kindergarten instead of my L.A. Lights.

Good Solid B-Plus on March 27, 2011 at 11:13 PM

Yay, it’s the B-squad! Nice try.

I had those when I was a kid.

And if they made light-up shoes for adults, I’d be all over that. As it is I have to settle for Converse. Formal wear != stuff I wear to the supermarket

Some people on this site really need to unbunch their panties and relax.

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 11:36 PM

Do we, parents, need somebody else decide for us, what our kids will wear?

anikol on March 28, 2011 at 12:08 AM

I’m going to hazard a guess that you never catapulted yourself out of a mulberry tree when you were young.

Voyager on March 27, 2011 at 8:51 PM

I just went ’round and ’round and ’round and ’round and…

Shy Guy on March 28, 2011 at 12:20 AM

Like this is a problem for those of up in the Northern tier who have barely more than a few sunny weeks in the summer before things plunge back to under 50, or 30, or whatever.

If global warming were real, this might be a problem… It ain’t so this ain’t. If you think it’s a problem move north…

drfredc on March 28, 2011 at 12:36 AM

And if they made light-up shoes for adults, I’d be all over that. As it is I have to settle for Converse. Formal wear != stuff I wear to the supermarket

Some people on this site really need to unbunch their panties and relax.

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 11:36 PM

Sorry, but L.A. Gear only made boy’s shoes. They didn’t have a special edition for girls with massive chips on their shoulders.

Good Solid B-Plus on March 28, 2011 at 12:59 AM

Sheesh, what’s next? Padded bottoms for boys? Lemme guess….Abercombie and Finch are proud sponsors of NAMBLA, right?

wolfva on March 28, 2011 at 3:35 AM

The usual suspects

More like the usual child molester wannabes. To direct so much of their business to obsess on children, in this fashion, speaks to some serious issues with people who work for this company.

MNHawk on March 28, 2011 at 6:56 AM

Everyone take a breath.

It’s just a retail product for which you, as an adult, have a choice to purchase or ignore. Don’t buy it for your kid if you don’t like it. If enouff people ignore them, then the nonprofitable product line disappears.

The free market works.

Alden Pyle on March 27, 2011 at 10:43 PM

It only works in one sense: it allows people to indulge their every whim. But it doesn’t mean that people will boycott all the evil junk that is for sale. Appeals to the lowest common denominator are part of the wonder that is the gods of the market.

aengus on March 28, 2011 at 7:00 AM

I will add my 2 cents here.
The rural community I live in is predominantly Catholic, + a lot of Lutherans & a few Baptists etc.
The most religious families often have some of the most sluttily dressed daughters & I have no idea why other than they are just paying lip service to their religion.
It’s a pattern I have noticed here.
Of course, slutty girls are also coming from more secular families.
I have pulled girls aside & asked them to stop coming into my classroom with their boobs hanging out bcs it is disgraceful.
I think the girls I teach value my opinion bcs the few I have said it to later endeavored to dress more modestly.
Parents, monitor your children!

Badger40 on March 28, 2011 at 8:35 AM

I don’t normally defend PR, but crack is not a legal product. Chose something else to make your point.

Not to mention…8 year olds don’t normally have the money to buy crack, and if their parents buy them crack, then that is worse than a parent buying clothes that whore-up their daughter. It’s not only bad parenting, it’s illegal.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:58 PM

OK, they are called ‘Bath Salts’, only they are really Meth packaged in cute little vac packs for $8 or whatever. To the uninitiated they just look like colorful little packages by the cash registor. But they are smoked just like meth.

Drugs will infiltrate any unregulated venue apparently, like bath salts or vitamins are next I guess.

Badger40. My daughter is 15, lately we’ve been being asked why other girls think sex is a game. Apparently the ‘done its’ are the ‘in crowd’ and take pleasure in torturing the virgins. I believe its always been this way, perhaps just not as openly.

As a parent, I am seeing other peoples kids as a real danger to mine.

orbitalair on March 28, 2011 at 8:49 AM

Who’s running that company, a bunch of perverts? Why would any responsible parent buy their kids clothes at that store.

Kissmygrits on March 28, 2011 at 9:00 AM

In my opinion, it is a reflection of our culture’s values. The businesses offer what sells. If parents refused to spend their money there, the business would go under or adapt. It is disturbing to see how children are dressing, but that’s the parents’ responsibility. There will always be those who sell whatever. It’s our responsibility not to buy it. Reminds me of the comment Whoopie Goldberg made regarding Roman Polanski’s rape of a 13 year old not being rape. I expect that response from her but was more disturbed by the audience’s laughter when I saw the clip on the news. Mothers in the audience laughing? Parents buyin push up bikini bras for their kids? Continuing to spen money at those stores?

texanpride on March 28, 2011 at 10:00 AM

In my opinion, it is a reflection of our culture’s values. The businesses offer what sells. If parents refused to spend their money there, the business would go under or adapt. It is disturbing to see how children are dressing, but that’s the parents’ responsibility.

texanpride on March 28, 2011 at 10:00 AM

How many of the moms have fake b00bs, tummy tucks, or routine b0tox? How many of those moms believe their physical assets are the key to landing and keeping a man? How many of them are right?

The best thing a parent can give their daughter is enough education to have her value recognized for something beyond her bra size.

dedalus on March 28, 2011 at 10:10 AM

Up next: Breast implants for pre-pubescents. Available right next door to the abortion clinic.

SKYFOX on March 28, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Last summer, I was walking my dog past a house that was having a party for teens. A car pulled up, and out came a boy in a suit and a girl in a sleeveless, strapless, shrink-wrapped gold lame (I mean la-MAY — can’t find the accent mark) dress that was halfway up her thighs.

To my suprise, a man who was apparently the father of one of those kids got out from behind the driving wheel and walked to the house with them.

I wonder if he was a chaparone, allowing his daughter to dress like that because he would be remaining on the premises. Or does anyone still have chaparones?

KyMouse on March 28, 2011 at 11:14 AM

It’s not a suprise that it’s a store that caters to homosexuals. There is no different between the mental/emotional distress disorder that causes the symptom of homosexuality and pedophilia.

LeeSeneca on March 28, 2011 at 11:23 AM

The question isn’t why parents would buy something like this from Abercrombie & Fitch.

That’s not even a question. The women who buy these things for their 1st and 2nd grade girls are the same women who will dress them up in makeup like a 14th Street hooker and put her in a beauty contest. Jon-Benet Ramsey comes to mind. There will be a market for these things. Just watch and see.

abcurtis on March 28, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Alden Pyle on March 27, 2011 at 10:43 PM

All things may be permissible but not all things are helpful. It’s a shame our society had degraded to the point that anybody would even want these things. And the shop owner has a certain responsibility too.

abcurtis on March 28, 2011 at 11:39 AM

It’s not a suprise that it’s a store that caters to homosexuals. There is no different between the mental/emotional distress disorder that causes the symptom of homosexuality and pedophilia.

LeeSeneca on March 28, 2011 at 11:23 AM

It’s mostly straight parents tarting up their straight daughters to turn on straight guys.

dedalus on March 28, 2011 at 11:40 AM

This a problem only for a specific, long-overlooked segment of Our Sickening Culture: white (trash) mothers of young girls. These sickening pimps slut-up their daughters in a myriad of ways to make sure their little angel is popular. Slutty clothes, pierced ears, makeup, CFM shoes.

Just what a 10 year old girl needs — to have every guy in school think that they will be the earliest, easiest route to his first blowjob.

If Mommy wants to dress like a hooker and give hummers to teenage boys in the park, she should go for it and leave her daughter alone to grow up like a normal kid, wearing jeans and t-shirts and learning how to read and write.

Jaibones on March 28, 2011 at 12:06 PM

This is an easy one –

Don’t purchase any clothing at this store. Find out who
owns this store, and if they own any other stores/companies that manufactures any products, etc. and boycott ALL.

Send emails to corporate headquarters to let them know.

Amjean on March 28, 2011 at 12:11 PM

An 8-year old doesn’t need lining. Don’t buy white.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 4:42 PM

I have to (gently) disagree with you as well. Anything that assists in modesty for young girls is a good thing. As others have noted, some girls do begin to develop that young these days. Linings in bathing suits are appropriate, regardless of the color of the suit.

Please note that I am talking about flat, single ply cloth lining intended to assure that certain areas of the suit are absolutely non-see-through and non-detail-through. This is a fairly common thing in both one and two piece bathing suits, and should be included in girls suits as well.

Again, anything that assists in encouraging modesty in girls should be considered appropriate.

Oh, and A&F will never get a single cent of my money either. I have a young (10yo) daughter too.

wearyman on March 28, 2011 at 1:06 PM

It’s called the Clinton Intern model. Pizza not included.

What is particularly sad is A&F in its original form was one of the best sporting goods stores ever. Then it got Eddie Bauerized into a dreadful reincarnation of yuppie pretense then off the deep end into pedophile fashion wear.

viking01 on March 28, 2011 at 1:11 PM

Hey, the free market works!

Proud Rino on March 27, 2011 at 7:01 PM

And being a liberal nitwit, you probably don’t understand that this comment thread is your celebrated “free market” in action. I haven’t read anyone calling for bombing A&F stores or a government shutdown of the company.

I have read people saying that they don’t or won’t shop there because the company is run by immoral scum who prey on parents by targeting their children like pedophiles.

What’s your problem with the free market at work? Or do you not understand the free market, after all?

Jaibones on March 28, 2011 at 1:22 PM

What is particularly sad is A&F in its original form was one of the best sporting goods stores ever. Then it got Eddie Bauerized into a dreadful reincarnation of yuppie pretense then off the deep end into pedophile fashion wear.

viking01 on March 28, 2011 at 1:11 PM

Back when it was a respected retailer, a fly-fishing set from A&F was a unique status symbol for the sporting gentleman, like a custom side-by

Jaibones on March 28, 2011 at 1:24 PM

side shotgun (oops).

Jaibones on March 28, 2011 at 1:25 PM

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