Push-up bikinis for grade-school girls?

posted at 4:00 pm on March 27, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Is it possible to be both disgusted and jaded at the same time? As a grandparent, the latest line of swimwear from the purveyors at Abercrombie & Fitch disgusts me, but hardly surprises any more. ABC reports that A&F has a new line of bikinis for preadolescents that feature padded, “push-up” bikini tops for girls as young as eight years old — the same age as one of my granddaughters. Not only is the retailer already known for its near-soft-porn exploitation of teens to sell sex to preadolescents, they’re now selling inadequacy and insecurity, too:

After A&F took heat from the media, they changed the wording on their website to “striped triangle,” but the product hasn’t changed at all:

CNN also covers this today:

“How is this okay for a second-grader?” asked Rebecca Odes in a recent post on the Babble parenting blog.

“Playing at sexy is an inevitable and important part of growing up. But there’s a difference between exploring these ideas on your own and having them sold to you in a children’s catalog,” she wrote.

Gail Dines, a sociology professor at Wheelock College in Boston, similarly slammed the top, saying it would encourage girls to think about themselves in a sexual way before they are ready.

“It (also) sends out really bad signals to adult men about young girls being appropriate sexual objects,” she told CNN affiliate WHDH.

The biggest danger is to the girls who feel they need to compete on bust size before they even start to develop. What this product and its marketing tells them is that their bodies are inadequate and that they need to change their body shape immediately in order to be seen as attractive. Adolescent girls and young women already get bombarded with that message far too much as it is without starting in grade school.

The question isn’t why parents would buy something like this from Abercrombie & Fitch.  It’s why they would allow their money to be spent there at all.

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Abercrombie & Fitch isn’t the root of the problem. I could care less what kind of clothes they manufacture or who they market them to.

For all intents and purposes there are no eight year old girls that can afford to buy them, so who really disgusts you? The mothers and grand mothers who buy such garbage and allow there daughters/granddaughters to wear them? If you don’t have the courage to call out the real villains than you have no real complaint.

Rode Werk on March 27, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Kids are worth it.

sharrukin on March 27, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Only if you’re strong. My one child has told me he doesn’t want children. He’s young, so he may change his mind, but if he doesn’t, that is fine with me.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 5:59 PM

In the interest of fairness I wonder when A&F will introduce “enhanced” swim trunks for pre-pubescent boys?

bannedbyhuffpo on March 27, 2011 at 6:01 PM

The mothers and grand mothers who buy such garbage and allow there daughters/granddaughters to wear them? If you don’t have the courage to call out the real villains than you have no real complaint.

Rode Werk on March 27, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Don’t forget the wussified dads that permit it…

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Only if you’re strong. My one child has told me he doesn’t want children. He’s young, so he may change his mind, but if he doesn’t, that is fine with me.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Well I had a similar attitude until I inherited a kid and it was the best thing that ever happened to me, even with all the grief and worry.

sharrukin on March 27, 2011 at 6:02 PM

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Respectfully, it’s not necessarily about the color of the fabric but rather the fabric itself. A girl doesn’t have to be developed to be able to make use of extra fabric on top when wearing anything skin tight. Some are fine without it, sure, but I’ve never seen the harm in a liner.

Esthier on March 27, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Abercrombie & Fitch isn’t the root of the problem. I could care less what kind of clothes they manufacture or who they market them to.

For all intents and purposes there are no eight year old girls that can afford to buy them, so who really disgusts you? The mothers and grand mothers who buy such garbage and allow there daughters/granddaughters to wear them? If you don’t have the courage to call out the real villains than you have no real complaint.

Exactly. They wouldn’t make and sell them if they had no demand for them.

BTW, girls that age shouldn’t be wearing bikinis at all. They should be in cute one-piece or tankinis. A point made by my 19-year-old daughter.

Common Sense on March 27, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Esthier on March 27, 2011 at 6:02 PM

I didn’t have a liner on top or bottom when I was 8. Did you? If the bathing suit is that objectionable, buy a different one.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 6:05 PM

*sigh*
Again, no one here is calling for govt involvement.

itsnotaboutme on March 27, 2011 at 5:56 PM

That’s good. It sounds like presidents and governors like Daniels can stay focused on fiscal issues. Hopefully the 2012 campaign will similarly be focused on the fiscal problems that threaten the futures of today’s children.

dedalus on March 27, 2011 at 6:10 PM

I didn’t have a liner on top or bottom when I was 8. Did you? If the bathing suit is that objectionable, buy a different one.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Yes, I did actually, and it wasn’t the suit. Maybe this isn’t a problem you’ve ever had, but when I started wearing bras, it was for modesty and not because I needed support.

Esthier on March 27, 2011 at 6:15 PM

dedalus on March 27, 2011 at 6:10 PM

To elaborate, no one here is calling for govt involvement in this A & F scandal.
The abortion holocaust is far more important than any fiscal issue at hand.
Re. A & F, hopefully folks will start to shop elsewhere.

itsnotaboutme on March 27, 2011 at 6:15 PM

itsnotaboutme on March 27, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Exactly.

kingsjester on March 27, 2011 at 6:20 PM

Our Culture eats it’s own young.

PappyD61 on March 27, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Esthier on March 27, 2011 at 6:15 PM

You wore a bra when you were 8? I didn’t start wearing one until I was 11. Perhaps I can’t relate.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 6:29 PM

To elaborate, no one here is calling for govt involvement in this A & F scandal.
The abortion holocaust is far more important than any fiscal issue at hand.
Re. A & F, hopefully folks will start to shop elsewhere.

itsnotaboutme on March 27, 2011 at 6:15 PM

That’s a stretch. I’m no fan of A&F and their products, but where exactly does abortion come into this discussion?

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 6:31 PM

Hey…
Ol’ Muhammad (peanut butter upon him) had the right idea!

blatantblue on March 27, 2011 at 6:37 PM

That’s good. It sounds like presidents and governors like Daniels can stay focused on fiscal issues. Hopefully the 2012 campaign will similarly be focused on the fiscal problems that threaten the futures of today’s children. dedalus on March 27, 2011 at 6:10 PM

Respectfully, I think we can walk and chew gum at the same time. As itsnotaboutme has said several times on this thread, no one is calling for the government to regulate the sickos over at A & F. However, I don’t see the logic behind some moratorium on pointing out flaws with the left that go beyond mismanagement of money. Yes, logically Obama should be the weakest on fiscal issues. The problem is that I can trot out out a million unemplyed people eating top ramen in their grandmother’s basement who are going to believe the “official” statistics in 2012 that show the unemployment rate at 7.99% and will also buy the spin that Obama fixed the economy.

There is nothing wrong with an all of the above approach.

Kataklysmic on March 27, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Hopefully the 2012 campaign will similarly be focused on the fiscal problems that threaten the futures of today’s children.

dedalus on March 27, 2011 at 6:10 PM

While this thread isn’t about government involvement, this statement goes a long way to explain why our 8 year olds are being sexually exploited with the consent and participation of their parents. You only care about your wallet…got it. You do not see that the future of today’s children is threatened in that they are not allowed to be children, full of childhood innocence. They are sexualized on television, at the mall, in schools and then they grow up to be promiscuous and feel they have no responsibility for their actions, because they are taught morality is unimportant/relative. This breeds selfishness, disease, fatherless children, broken families, abortion… No wonder this culture is failing spectacularly. The greedy libertines refuse to acknowledge that moral decline contributes to, if not fully facilitates the collapse of a civilization. Well, you may not want to accept it, but it does.

We are seeing it as it happens. Bad morality makes bad economic policy.

pannw on March 27, 2011 at 6:39 PM

“Is it possible to be both disgusted and jaded at the same time?”

That is just what I thought when I saw the headline before clicking through to this article.

Ira on March 27, 2011 at 6:40 PM

pannw on March 27, 2011 at 6:39 PM

Children are being sexualized by their own parents. Don’t blame anyone else.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 6:41 PM

You know what is kind of cool? There are tons of middle school and H.S. kids that are reverting back and wanting the morals that we had back in the 50′s early 60′s.

They are now rejecting the free sex mantra and opting to retain their virginity. They are eschewing (LOL) the rap and gansta culture that has enveloped them since the 90′s. They are embracing conservatism and they are questioning what they are reading in their textbooks at school.

I have faith in America’s youth. Not the Obama youth. The American Youth.

There is a big difference.

Key West Reader on March 27, 2011 at 6:43 PM

As the parent of young daughters we have found JC Penney and Childrens Place to be affordable, and 90% pretty Conservative with tween fashions.

Maybe it’s diff in other parts of the country but JCP and Childrens Place especially are two places we can go to and find non-whoredog fashions.

PappyD61 on March 27, 2011 at 6:48 PM

Progressivism on the march.

petefrt on March 27, 2011 at 6:48 PM

Maybe it’s diff in other parts of the country but JCP and Childrens Place especially are two places we can go to and find non-whoredog fashions.

PappyD61 on March 27, 2011 at 6:48 PM

If we and our children “eschew” what is being sold by progressives (think of the Safe Schools Czar who wants to teach kindergartners all about gay sex)the market will dry up like a fading, flaky pimple. Sort of like the entire progressive agenda is doing right before our eyes.

Key West Reader on March 27, 2011 at 6:55 PM

The most disturbing thought I have in this is the afternoon that the A&F crew sat around their eco-table under natural light, eating from biodegradable plates an assortment of organic snacks and saying to one another, “We just want to influence the kids because they’re our future.”

pjean on March 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM

From the Roman Polanski collection?

malclave on March 27, 2011 at 6:57 PM

No wonder this culture is failing spectacularly. The greedy libertines refuse to acknowledge that moral decline contributes to, if not fully facilitates the collapse of a civilization. Well, you may not want to accept it, but it does.

We are seeing it as it happens. Bad morality makes bad economic policy.

pannw on March 27, 2011 at 6:39 PM

Parents who shop for their 8-year old daughters at A&F, or who let their kids become obsessed with physical appearance are likely either lazy or dumb. If they want their daughters to succeed and have a healthy self image education and sports are the best avenues.

dedalus on March 27, 2011 at 6:59 PM

From the Roman Polanski Mohammed collection?

malclave on March 27, 2011 at 6:57 PM

darwin-t on March 27, 2011 at 6:59 PM

Children are being sexualized by their own parents. Don’t blame anyone else.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 6:41 PM

Note that I said they were with the consent and participation of their parents. However, if you don’t realize that many parents have their children being sexualized through the public school system in the name of ‘sex education’, against their wishes, then you are willfully ignorant. And no matter how I try to shield my child from the filth on television, radio, etc… unless I lock her in a closet (which would get me thrown in jail for abuse), I can’t protect her from the filth other children are permitted to see, or sneak around and see behind their parents backs, etc… and then pass on what they learn, so I can and will blame others, thank you very much.

pannw on March 27, 2011 at 6:59 PM

“It (also) sends out really bad signals to adult men about young girls being appropriate sexual objects,” she told CNN affiliate WHDH.

The “Law of Unintended Intended Consequences”…?

Seven Percent Solution on March 27, 2011 at 7:00 PM

Progressivism on the march.

petefrt on March 27, 2011 at 6:48 PM

It seems to me that progressivism would be a law making it illegal to make tops like this. This is just a company making a product you don’t like. I suggest not buying that product and if people don’t buy it, then A&F won’t sell it anymore.

Hey, the free market works!

Proud Rino on March 27, 2011 at 7:01 PM

Hey, the free market works!

Proud Rino on March 27, 2011 at 7:01 PM

So, are you saying that there is nothing sleazy about what they are doing?

kingsjester on March 27, 2011 at 7:05 PM

We also have crossed the Porn infested THE BODY SHOP to our do not shop at list.

When the girls whine about wanting something from A&F or such we just tell them “Uh, NO and if you nag me you’ll lose Electronics tomorrow”, THAT plus telling them “I don’t have to be your Friend right now so your fit doesn’t impress me, get over it’. That seems to work well. :-)

And the Mitch Daniels comment earlier was a nice tie-in.

Down to 4% have a good evening all Hot Airians.

PappyD61 on March 27, 2011 at 7:05 PM

Crossed THE BODY SHOP….OFF our list.

PappyD61 on March 27, 2011 at 7:06 PM

Parents who shop for their 8-year old daughters at A&F, or who let their kids become obsessed with physical appearance are likely either lazy or dumb. If they want their daughters to succeed and have a healthy self image education and sports are the best avenues.

dedalus on March 27, 2011 at 6:59 PM

Okay…but I wasn’t really talking about self image. I was talking about exploitation and moral decay leading to the decline of a civilization. I certainly agree that sports are good though, and education assuming it comes without the trappings of public educations’ sex indoctrination.

pannw on March 27, 2011 at 7:06 PM

I didn’t have a liner on top or bottom when I was 8. Did you? If the bathing suit is that objectionable, buy a different one.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 6:05 PM

I actually just went to check my three year old’s bathing suits (whole pieces, from Target) and all have lining. It just adds a bit more substance to already really thin material. I think one of them is for additional sun protection.

But your overall point completely right and I couldn’t agree more. Parents are the real culprits. The free markets will only supply what consumers demand. Why are parents “demanding” these products? It disgusts me.

Bee on March 27, 2011 at 7:08 PM

So, are you saying that there is nothing sleazy about what they are doing?

kingsjester on March 27, 2011 at 7:05 PM

Not really. It’s up to parents not to buy that nonsense for their kids. No one is forcing you to do it. It’s not A&F’s fault that some people are bad parents any more than Coca Cola is responsible for your kid’s cavities.

Proud Rino on March 27, 2011 at 7:12 PM

I blame Nassau County, Long Island, NY moms

blatantblue on March 27, 2011 at 7:12 PM

And the Mitch Daniels comment earlier was a nice tie-in.

PappyD61 on March 27, 2011 at 7:05 PM

No…it wasn’t. I was informed that no one is saying govt should get involved…so how is calling out Daniels appropriate?

JetBoy on March 27, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Proud Rino on March 27, 2011 at 7:12 PM

So, you’re comparing drinkingg a sugared pop to dressing a little girl up like an older one?

kingsjester on March 27, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Why are parents “demanding” these products? It disgusts me.

Bee on March 27, 2011 at 7:08 PM

I don’t think people are demanding it, they know that kids want to look like adults, and they think kids will want to wear clothes like this, and they’ll get their parents to buy that stuff.

Frankly you have to be nuts to buy kids clothes at a mall anyway. I don’t think I owned anything that was bought in a department store or mall until I was 15. And I turned out just fi-well, OK, strike that last point.

Proud Rino on March 27, 2011 at 7:15 PM

So, you’re comparing drinkingg a sugared pop to dressing a little girl up like an older one?

kingsjester on March 27, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Oh, I get it, you don’t know how to read.

Proud Rino on March 27, 2011 at 7:15 PM

pannw on March 27, 2011 at 6:59 PM

Take responsibility for your own parenting, dumbass. If you can’t counter what your daughter’s schoolmates bring to the table, then you aren’t doing your job. My son stood up to his teacher as a senior in high school regarding Al Gore’s ‘documentary’ because of the way he was raised. Don’t blame anyone else if you can’t control how your daughter handles growing up in public education, I countered that BS with my son; that is your problem as a weak parent. Thank you very much.

It ain’t up to society to raise your child, it is up to you. Don’t wimp out.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 7:15 PM

It’s not A&F’s fault that some people are bad parents any more than Coca Cola is responsible for your kid’s cavities.

Proud Rino on March 27, 2011 at 7:12 PM

So, you’re comparing drinking a sugared pop to dressing a little girl up like an older one?

kingsjester on March 27, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Oh, I get it, you don’t know how to read.
Proud Rino on March 27, 2011 at 7:15 PM

Oh, I get it. You just don’t want to answer.

kingsjester on March 27, 2011 at 7:18 PM

I didn’t have a liner on top or bottom when I was 8. Did you? If the bathing suit is that objectionable, buy a different one.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 6:05 PM

I’m fairly certain nearly all of my swim suits and my younger sister’s suits had liners…I think it’s a pretty usual feature. I don’t see how it sexualizes. I think it’s meant to increase modesty (and allow a little girl to wear whatever color/pattern swimsuit she likes, even white).

JeepGirl on March 27, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Why are parents “demanding” these products? It disgusts me.

Bee on March 27, 2011 at 7:08 PM

They are not demanding these products. What mother of an 8 year old girl would want to dress her like a prostitot?

This is progressivism on display by way of Abercrombie and Fitch. If you are in a mall they have air freshener that is so obtuse that it makes me wheeze.

This is progressive by design. Reject it, and it shall fail.

Key West Reader on March 27, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Hey, the free market works!

Proud Rino on March 27, 2011 at 7:01 PM

Hey, of course the free market works, just as ‘progressive’ domination by influence peddlers (such as MSM, Hollywood, etc.) shapes values and popular culture. Bravo, free markets.

Free markets are our best hope. Influence peddlers like Hollywood and MSM, and gubmint manipulation of markets, not so much.

petefrt on March 27, 2011 at 7:21 PM

I countered that BS with my son; that is your problem as a weak parent.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 7:15 PM

So why is it that more and more people are choosing not to have kids in this society? To act as if society cannot effect our children unless we let them is a silly fantasy.

sharrukin on March 27, 2011 at 7:22 PM

But your overall point completely right and I couldn’t agree more. Parents are the real culprits. The free markets will only supply what consumers demand. Why are parents “demanding” these products? It disgusts me.

Bee on March 27, 2011 at 7:08 PM

Exactlty my point. If a parent considers in appropriate, don’t buy it. Period.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 7:24 PM

So why is it that more and more people are choosing not to have kids in this society? To act as if society cannot effect our children unless we let them is a silly fantasy.

sharrukin on March 27, 2011 at 7:22 PM

If you can’t counter society, then you shouldn’t have children. Period.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 7:28 PM

Hey, of course the free market works, just as ‘progressive’ domination by influence peddlers (such as MSM, Hollywood, etc.) shapes values and popular culture. Bravo, free markets.

Yep, liberals dominate Hollywood and the mainstream media. Conservatives have been making that criticism since, like, the 1940s. You know what? No one is stopping conservatives from making pro conservative movies or entering “the media.” Plenty of conservatives have done so and they’ve done quite well, but liberals seem to be a little better at it, so far. That’s how the free market works. Boo hoo.

Free markets are our best hope. Influence peddlers like Hollywood and MSM, and gubmint manipulation of markets, not so much.

petefrt on March 27, 2011 at 7:21 PM

Interesting that you think free markets don’t count when it comes to the movie industry or the media.

Proud Rino on March 27, 2011 at 7:29 PM

Abercrombie & Fitch isn’t the root of the problem.

Rode Werk on March 27, 2011 at 5:57 PM

No, they aren’t the root – but they are all too happy and up front about supplying the Miracle-Gro to the problem. And it isn’t possible to register an economic vote on the general decline of the culture, but it IS possible to deprive A&F of our money.

Adjoran on March 27, 2011 at 7:32 PM

Key West Reader on March 27, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Law of supply and demand, which you stated yourself. If the demand weren’t there, the product wouldn’t exist. I don’t see a ton of purple vinyl jumpsuits in every storefront and catalog, do you? I do see a ton of complicit conservative parents lamenting the state of culture while their kids dress like sluts, why? Because it’s just how kids dress these days, name-brand-cred, etc. Burns me up.

/rant

Bee on March 27, 2011 at 7:34 PM

If you can’t counter society, then you shouldn’t have children. Period.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 7:28 PM

If you have to counter your own society then you are living in a dying society that will not replace its own and will exploit its own young. If only the ‘strong’ parents reproduce you aren’t going to be around as a people for very long.

You might be comfortable living in a culture that worships death but I am not.

sharrukin on March 27, 2011 at 7:34 PM

and then pass on what they learn, so I can and will blame others, thank you very much.

pannw on March 27, 2011 at 6:59 PM

I’ve never done this before.

I don’t know who you are, but you best back off of a Lady on the thread. You seem opinionated, but perhaps you should exercise a more refined personality.

Thank you very much.

Key West Reader on March 27, 2011 at 7:37 PM

I have aways loathed this store. Even in Highschool.

jawkneemusic on March 27, 2011 at 7:38 PM

sharrukin on March 27, 2011 at 7:34 PM

Then counter that society when raising children. Otherwise, don’t whine about it. That is my point. Do your job just as I did mine. I fought it everyday. If you can’t do that, don’t have children.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 7:38 PM

Ol’ Muhammad (peanut butter upon him) had the right idea!

blatantblue on March 27, 2011 at 6:37 PM

LOL at “peanut butter upon him”. That’s worth spreading (pardon the pun) around.

Bigfoot on March 27, 2011 at 7:40 PM

I do see a ton of complicit conservative parents lamenting the state of culture while their kids dress like sluts, why? Because it’s just how kids dress these days, name-brand-cred, etc. Burns me up.

/rant

Bee on March 27, 2011 at 7:34 PM

Your rant is amusing to me. No, it is not how “kids” dress these days. It is about class. It is about pride. It is about confidence. It is about reverence. It is about being a Proud American.

You are delusional if you do not think that these values are being taught to our children.

Not all American Children are obamabrandchildren. Nice try, though :o) This is THE battle that the progressives will lose. Do. Not. Doubt. Me.

Key West Reader on March 27, 2011 at 7:41 PM

and then pass on what they learn, so I can and will blame others, thank you very much.

pannw on March 27, 2011 at 6:59 PM

Waaaaa!!!! It’s not my fault my daughter is a whore and my son is a crackhead! It’s the other parents’ fault!!!

Loser. Don’t have children.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Good grief! Little grade school girls have nothing to ‘push up.’

LOL

francesca on March 27, 2011 at 7:42 PM

Oh, and someone please credit me with this phrase:

“OBAMABRANDCHILDREN”

It will be utterly loathed in under 2 years. And I take the credit for coining it.

Key West Reader on March 27, 2011 at 7:44 PM

This is progressive by design.

Key West Reader on March 27, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Indeed it is. Maybe not so much on the part of retailers, who may use the ‘green’ meme naively yet innocently enough to sell product. But certainly on the part of the left’s commanding heights of our culture who influence marketing strategies of private companies into becoming, perhaps unwittingly, green/global warming propagandists… who then to stuff it down our throats.

petefrt on March 27, 2011 at 7:46 PM

LOL at “peanut butter upon him”. That’s worth spreading (pardon the pun) around.

Bigfoot on March 27, 2011 at 7:40 PM

Heh! that’s funny

ted c on March 27, 2011 at 7:46 PM

Key West Reader on March 27, 2011 at 7:37 PM

Maybe you’ve never done it before but you’re pretty damned good at it darlin’
;)

OmahaConservative on March 27, 2011 at 7:48 PM

petefrt on March 27, 2011 at 7:46 PM

Ops. Wrong thread.

Still…

Key West Reader on March 27, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Dittos.

petefrt on March 27, 2011 at 7:50 PM

petefrt on March 27, 2011 at 7:46 PM

…..

With a watchful eye, we are careful and cautious.

Key West Reader on March 27, 2011 at 7:50 PM

Key West Reader on March 27, 2011 at 7:37 PM
Maybe you’ve never done it before but you’re pretty damned good at it darlin’
;)

OmahaConservative on March 27, 2011 at 7:48 PM

And I appreciate the backup, KWR.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 7:52 PM

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 5:20 PM

Who gives a crap about clothes being stylish for kids? That thought is what is totally wrong in this culture. Kids’ clothing needs to be durable, washable and withstand the growth spurts. Anything else is what is wrong with society.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Glad I was never your kid. I’m hardly suggesting be a slave to whatever the latest fashion of the hour is, but everyone wants to look nice and find clothes that suit their personality.

I suppose your ideal would be for us all to dress like the Amish. Sorry, but no.

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 7:56 PM

I was informed that no one is saying govt should get involved…so how is calling out Daniels appropriate?

JetBoy on March 27, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Because there is a middle ground between never discussing social issues and creating a theocratic state. And as the one who originally mentioned the Daniels truce in this thread I can tell you it was meant as more of a humorous riff than anything else. I would expect someone who refers to Palin as a reality TV drama queen on a regular basis to have a better sense of humor about it.

Daniel’s truce seemed more like a way to trot out some snoozefest inducing charts and graphs about the economy, not to stick to the big issues, but to avoid having to launch some haymakers that might put him in the media crosshairs. Kerry’s biggest weekness in 2004 was being a flip flopping buffoon whose foreign policy Ideas made Ghandi look like Vlad the Impaler. That didn’t stop gay marriage from making its way onto the ballot in several swing states. Ask Rove if a truce on social issues would have helped Bush win that second term.

Kataklysmic on March 27, 2011 at 8:00 PM

Key West Reader on March 27, 2011 at 7:41 PM

I’m not sure it’s possible for someone to miss a point more entirely than you just did.

I was calling upon parents to make proper decisions for their children. I never said it was right or morally acceptable for children to dress that way. I was expressing the lackadaisical attitudes many, yes, conservative parents I’ve known held who allow their children to dress this way while criticizing our morally bankrupt culture.

Culture merely reflects the mores of particular people groups. You want to change culture, change your own life, your children and community in tandem with voting conservatives into office.

Bee on March 27, 2011 at 8:00 PM

Glad I was never your kid…I suppose your ideal would be for us all to dress like the Amish. Sorry, but no.

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 7:56 PM

I’m glad you weren’t ever my kid too. My son was perfectly happy with jeans and t-shirts from Wal-Mart, even though I could afford to pay much more. He’s just smart that way.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:00 PM

Bee on March 27, 2011 at 8:00 PM

I agree. Just look at the way teenage girls dress for church. Obviously, their parents approve.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Because there is a middle ground between never discussing social issues and creating a theocratic state. And as the one who originally mentioned the Daniels truce in this thread I can tell you it was meant as more of a humorous riff than anything else. I would expect someone who refers to Palin as a reality TV drama queen on a regular basis to have a better sense of humor about it.

Daniel’s truce seemed more like a way to trot out some snoozefest inducing charts and graphs about the economy, not to stick to the big issues, but to avoid having to launch some haymakers that might put him in the media crosshairs. Kerry’s biggest weekness in 2004 was being a flip flopping buffoon whose foreign policy Ideas made Ghandi look like Vlad the Impaler. That didn’t stop gay marriage from making its way onto the ballot in several swing states. Ask Rove if a truce on social issues would have helped Bush win that second term.

Kataklysmic on March 27, 2011 at 8:00 PM

I wasn’t sure about the humor, although your statement…coming from you with whom I may disagree with here and there, but I respect your opinion as you’re always fair…but you make it seem like Daniels doesn’t want to deal with social issues at all. The only thing he did was make a suggestion that perhaps we should focus more on fiscal issues for the moment.

And as for Kerry, obviously I agree…and at the time, the economy wasn’t in as horrid shape as it is these days. And it should say something that someone like me, who fights FOR gay marriage, supports Daniels…who doesn’t even support civil unions. In that respect, I put a huge social issue to me on the back burner, but not off the stove completely, so that we can have a good chance of fixing what needs it most.

And lo…I never called Palin a “drama queen”. Only the ‘nistas Palinistas Palin-supporters (I’m even gonna be nice and not say those other terms, as I’ve gotten crud for it) ;)

JetBoy on March 27, 2011 at 8:17 PM

Bee on March 27, 2011 at 8:00 PM

+ 100..Excellent Post!..:):)

Dire Straits on March 27, 2011 at 8:18 PM

I blame this on the…INSERT YOUR DEMON HERE…and I have said all along that…INSERT YOUR DEMON HERE…will never be satisfied until everyone of the ….INSERT YOUR VICTIM HERE…is a…INSERT YOUR HYPERBOLIC OUTCOME HERE…and we must never rest until we return to…INSERT YOUR FAVORITE OUTCOME HERE…once and for all.
There, I’ve said it.

Observation on March 27, 2011 at 5:07 PM

LOL…excellent!

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 27, 2011 at 8:20 PM

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:02 PM

+100..Excellent post!..:)

Dire Straits on March 27, 2011 at 8:22 PM

Oh Jesus, did they drag out that idiot Gail Dines for this?

Hal_10000 on March 27, 2011 at 8:22 PM

I’m glad you weren’t ever my kid too. My son was perfectly happy with jeans and t-shirts from Wal-Mart, even though I could afford to pay much more. He’s just smart that way.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:00 PM

Boys are different. Although I do recall my son wanting a Michael Jackson style jacket. LOL And I agree with her, there’s nothing worng with some fashions that come along amd letting kids have some style. Is there anyone who lived through the 60s who didn’t wear bell-bottoms or tie dye. Or what about the preppy look? Her recommendations for buying at outlets and thrift shops were good ideas. You can get some quality slothes for what you pay for Walmart. And sorry, I think Walmart clothes are poorly made JMO

Deanna on March 27, 2011 at 8:22 PM

Sorry about the typos…sprained wrist makes it a bit difficult.

Deanna on March 27, 2011 at 8:24 PM

I agree. Just look at the way teenage girls dress for church. Obviously, their parents approve.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Yep. That was the exact place I heard these remarks. These were solid members of our conservative (albeit wealthy) mega church congregation (where I attended most my life). These kids all dressed from A&F, Hollister, etc.

My point (to those who didn’t understand) is that, yeah, it’s outrageously outrageous that these stores are making these products. But *someone* is buying them or they would not exist. It starts and ends with the consumer and, in this case, the adults in charge.

Bee on March 27, 2011 at 8:27 PM

Deanna on March 27, 2011 at 8:22 PM

Um, what do bell-bottoms or tie dye have to do with anything? That would be found at Wal-Mart (or JC Penney and BBelk for you snobs). Y’all are just into spending money on cclothes because it makes you feel good about your selves. I’m sorry for you.

And don’t generalize and say “boys are different”. A friend of mine often complained that while her older boy was perfectly content with non-name brand stuff, that her younger son was quite different. He got over it as he grew up.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:27 PM

The World,

she is going, waaaaaaaaaaaaaay to faaaaaaaaaaast!!!

canopfor on March 27, 2011 at 8:28 PM

Dire Straits on March 27, 2011 at 8:18 PM

Thanks, hon. :)

Bee on March 27, 2011 at 8:28 PM

I agree. Just look at the way teenage girls dress for church. Obviously, their parents approve.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:02 PM

I saw a few little hookers in Divine Service this morning. One was a torch-bearer. Thank God her robe covered the sluttish attire.

OmahaConservative on March 27, 2011 at 8:31 PM

Ya know,I do rememner the late 60′s and 70′s,
go-go boots,and micro-mini skirts,and yes,by todays
standards,there is no way on earth,that a women,can
sit,ahem,anywhere with one on(mini-skirt)that is!

Jus sayin!!

canopfor on March 27, 2011 at 8:31 PM

I’m glad you weren’t ever my kid too. My son was perfectly happy with jeans and t-shirts from Wal-Mart, even though I could afford to pay much more. He’s just smart that way.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:00 PM

From the sounds of things it looks like you read the part of my post where I mentioned ~*”NAME BRANDS”*~ sometimes worn by ~*”CELEBRITIES”*~ and came down with an acute case of righteous indignation. Snobbery works both ways. There’s the brand snobs who wouldn’t be caught dead in anything that isn’t {insert latest catwalk collection from some guy I don’t care about here}. And then there’s the “whoever pays more than $2 per piece of clothing or cares about what they look like is an unamerican dirty filthy eurocommie whaargarbl.”

I guessed you missed the part where some of my favorite clothes are from thrift stores. I like to buy my basics at the local flea market from the guy who sells weird Korean imports out of his van. And when I get tired of of my nicer brand-name stuff, I sell it off (sometimes making a profit in the process) and put that money back into buying new things. I don’t think I’ve ever bought a brand new purse. I own genuine Armani suits but the most I ever paid for one is $30 because I buy them from consignment stores. Most of my clothes cost about the same as your exalted walmart t-shirt 3-pak. I am not stupid nor am I a snob. I kind of resent the implication that I “am what’s wrong with our culture” because I want to wear clothes that fit.

Some people–especially girls–like clothes and shoes. (Shocking, I know.) It’s fun to get dressed up. I’m not going to deny my future spawn the opportunity to choose their own wardrobe within reason. I was allowed to choose my own clothes growing up and I never picked the trashy options because my mother raised me to have more self-respect than that. Fashion’s not for everyone but my point was that for those of us who do care there are plenty of options out there that don’t break the bank and produce results that don’t make you look like a $3 hooker. We’re also living in a very image-obsessed world, like it or not. The ability to dress for success is a valuable life skill.

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 8:32 PM

What does sicken me,is the little girls who are dolled up,
in these so-called beauty pagents,stilettos and painted up,
what an abomination!

I thank my stars,that my daughter was a normal girl,
and didn’t go overboard!!

canopfor on March 27, 2011 at 8:36 PM

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:02 PM
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I saw a few little hookers in Divine Service this morning. One was a torch-bearer. Thank God her robe covered the sluttish attire.

OmahaConservative on March 27, 2011 at 8:31 PM

OmahaConservative:Lol,ahem…sweet jeebus,what ever happened
to a nice Sunday dress!:)

canopfor on March 27, 2011 at 8:40 PM

We’re also living in a very image-obsessed world, like it or not. The ability to dress for success is a valuable life skill.

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 8:32 PM

I don’t know what career you have chosen for yourself, but dressing like a hooker is not dressing for success.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:40 PM

Jus sayin!!

canopfor on March 27, 2011 at 8:31 PM

Shootin’ the beaver they were. And we were lookin’
Guilty as charged.
:)

OmahaConservative on March 27, 2011 at 8:41 PM

I saw a few little hookers in Divine Service this morning. One was a torch-bearer. Thank God her robe covered the sluttish attire.

OmahaConservative on March 27, 2011 at 8:31 PM

If a girl dresses like that at my church, when they get to SS, the teachers give them a pillow to put on their laps. It’s hard enough trying to teach a boy not to consider a female to be sex object without the girls ‘whoring’ it with their dress.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:42 PM

canopfor on March 27, 2011 at 8:36 PM

Agreed. Toddlers and Tiaras is disgusting. I never watch it.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 8:32 PM

3-pack t-shirts? Obviously, you don’t know what kind of t-shirts I am talking about. And with your expose on fashion, yeah, I’d call you a snob. But I’m sure you are young.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:46 PM

BTW, girls that age shouldn’t be wearing bikinis at all.

Common Sense on March 27, 2011 at 6:04 PM

To be fair regarding the two-piece v. one piece debate, if you are not the “standard size” according to mass-manufactured swimwear, then good luck finding a one-piece bathing suit that fits right. When I was in middle school I always had two-piece suits because I had a giant rear-end and buying two-piece suits meant I could buy the smaller-sized top and larger bottoms separately. Growth spurts really suck when different parts of you decide to grow at different rates.

Also, why are people complaining about swimsuits with linings? I’ve never seen a suit without one…

DangerHighVoltage on March 27, 2011 at 8:47 PM

I said it before and I shall say it once again:

Progressives and RINOs are happy yo wallow in any, any cultural sewer as long as they can feel more socially relevant and important than religious people.

A & F suck. They are making a product with the intended purpose of sexualizing young girls in an environment already ammenable to lecherous persons (pools and beaches are often scoped out by the basest of grown juveniles and perverts). Free market my ass. The only “demand” this product should receive should be its immediate erasure from the shelves.

BKennedy on March 27, 2011 at 8:47 PM

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:42 PM

Missouri Synod Lutherans could take a lesson from that. What is your denomination?

OmahaConservative on March 27, 2011 at 8:47 PM

I’ve never done this before.
I don’t know who you are, but you best back off of a Lady on the thread. You seem opinionated, but perhaps you should exercise a more refined personality.
Thank you very much.
Key West Reader on March 27, 2011 at 7:37 PM

Um…did you read the whole ‘discussion’? If so, Wow… So is this your idea of refined personality?
Take responsibility for your own parenting, dumbass. …
ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 7:15 PM
Yet my ‘thank you very much’ offends your delicate sensibilities? If that and the following is your idea of a “Lady”, then once again, I’m not surprised at the moral decline of our civilization. If I don’t ‘back off’ I suppose you are going to do what???? Call me vulgar names as she does? As a lady myself, I am opinionated and my opinion is that ladyingray is not very ladylike, but you go on and defend her and attack me because I said ‘thank you very much.” Wow… In my opinion, you should have stuck with never having done this. You are defending her vulgarity against my very little snark. This world is upside down.

Waaaaa!!!! It’s not my fault my daughter is a whore and my son is a crackhead! It’s the other parents’ fault!!!
Loser. Don’t have children.
ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Nice….You really have turned out to be quite the vile commenter. I don’t know why you are going off the deep end over my relatively mild comment, or why you are so offended when someone rightly points out that the state of society has an impact on children, but if you can’t have a more civil discussion, then go on and show your a*s, brag about your ‘perfect son’ (in your opinion), and have people like Key West Reader cheer you on. I’m sure it makes you feel good about yourself, though frankly, you seem a bit unhinged, in my opinion.

pannw on March 27, 2011 at 8:49 PM

OmahaConservative on March 27, 2011 at 8:47 PM

Southern Baptist, baby.

ladyingray on March 27, 2011 at 8:50 PM

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