Lieberman: Maybe we should go into Syria, too
posted at 11:45 am on March 27, 2011 by Ed Morrissey
While the US continues its bombardments in a country that the Defense Secretary today admitted posed no national-security threat and was not a “vital national interest” to the US, an equally brutal crackdown on a rising rebellion continues in Syria, a nation that helps support and control much of the region’s terrorism. Demonstrations in the city of Latakia resulted in Syrian security forces opening fire on protesters, while Bashar Assad’s government blamed the shooting on “unknown armed gangs.” Either way, a least 12 more died from the latest violence:
Dozens of people have been killed in a number of Syrian cities after protests against President Bashar al-Assad’s regime flared up more than a week ago.
Ten people, including members of the security forces, residents and two members of “armed elements” died in the Latakia violence, the state-run news agency said, adding that at least two people were killed by rooftop snipers. Around 200 others, mostly members of the security forces, were reported to have been injured.
Ammar Qurabi, an exile in Egypt who heads Syria‘s National Organisation for Human Rights, told the Associated Press that dozens of people had protested in Latakia before attacking the Ba’ath party’s offices in the city.
Demonstrators also attacked a police station and the Ba’ath party offices in the town of Tafas, six miles (10km) north of the southern border city of Daraa, the epicentre of the anti-government protests.
An activist in Daraa told AP that up 1,200 people were still holding a silent sit-in the al-Omari mosque.
Assad’s father had a unique way of dealing with protests. Almost thirty years ago, Hafez Assad bombed the city of Hama to end unrest there, killing 10,000 people and setting a bloody example of how far the Assads would go to hold power. His son has yet to order anything of that scale, but the rules of engagement keep getting more loose for his security forces, and it’s only a matter of time before a large-scale attack civilians will be ordered — and necessary — to preserve the regime.
Where exactly is the White House on Syria? Barack Obama seemed anxious to push an American ally out of power in Egypt for far less, and started a war with Libya for not much more. The reticence to confront Syria, where the US and the West have a good argument on national security, comes from the Obama administration’s feckless policy regarding Assad over the last two years, reports the New York Times:
Indeed, the crackdown calls into question the entire American engagement with Syria. Last June, the State Department organized a delegation from Microsoft, Dell and Cisco Systems to visit Mr. Assad with the message that he could attract more investment if he stopped censoring Facebook and Twitter. While the administration renewed economic sanctions against Syria, it approved export licenses for some civilian aircraft parts.
The Bush administration, by contrast, largely shunned Damascus, recalling its ambassador in February 2005 after the assassination of a former Lebanese prime minister, Rafik Hariri. Many Lebanese accuse Syria of involvement in the assassination, a charge it denies.
When Mr. Obama named Mr. Ford as his envoy last year, Republicans in the Senate held up the appointment for months, arguing that the United States should not reward Syria with closer ties. The administration said it would have more influence by restoring an ambassador.
But officials also concede that Mr. Assad has been an endless source of frustration — deepening ties with Iran and the Islamic militant group Hezbollah; undermining the government of Saad Hariri in Lebanon; pursuing a nuclear program; and failing to deliver on promises of reform.
Some analysts said that the United States was so eager to use Syria to break the deadlock on Middle East peace negotiations that it had failed to push Mr. Assad harder on political reforms.
Putting aside Hariri’s assassination, we know this much about Syria. It allies itself with Iran, it supports Hezbollah in Lebanon, and Hamas in Gaza. They tried building a secret nuclear-weapons site that Israel destroyed a few years ago. The government of Syria gave shelter to terrorists operating in Iraq against our own troops over the last eight years. And Obama thinks that Assad is a partner for peace?
This looks disturbingly reminiscent of the summer of 2009, when Obama sat on the sidelines while Iranians filled the streets in opposition to the mullahcracy in the vain hope that his silence would give him an opportunity to talk the mullahs out of their nukes. We’re missing yet another opportunity to change the balance of power in the Middle East in our favor, while we bomb a country that had become more or less irrelevant to our interests for doing exactly what Assad is doing now.
Joe Lieberman thinks we should follow the “right” precedent and attack Syria, too, saying it will further cement us on the side of the “Arab people”:
So … what is the strategy here, exactly? We should attack nations at the behest of the Arab League rather than by considering our own national interests? We should conduct a war against all brutal Arab dictatorships? I like Lieberman, but the “precedent” he uses here is rubbish, or should be. We should have put pressure on Syria over the last two years, rather than sweet-talk them, and we should have used our military power to advance American interests. We arguable had some interest in Libya, but the time to use that military pressure is when it had some chance of success for a quick resolution, not a last-ditch effort to impose a stalemate that will ensure a long and bloody civil war. In Syria, our national interests and security interests are much more clear — as they are in Iran. We’ve managed to get ourselves completely backwards, mainly by using the line of thinking Lieberman uses in which the Arab “street” interests dictate our policies rather than our own interests.
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KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:27 AM
You got flattery down, Romeo. lol
Nice..taking the pups out?
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 1:29 AM
Match Box 20-blast from the past.
Reminds me of college.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 1:32 AM
I don’t do drugs, I am drugs.
–Dali :)
. . .
meh, ok, score. :)
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 1:32 AM
Love…a game??
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:32 AM
I like how you roll….Sue me!
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:34 AM
That was grrreat! By the way – someone further up the thread called Ken “stupid”….I need to straighten this out:
Ken is NOT stupid!
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 1:35 AM
NO! I JUST DON’T WANT ANYONE SITTING ON HER!
O wait, those weren’t related.
My bad.
Carry on.
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 1:35 AM
Who said Ken was stupid?
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 1:37 AM
Didn’t catch that. Thanks for the correction. Troll?
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:38 AM
I like how you roll….Sue me!
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:34 AM
I like how you roll too.
You seem like a good man.
Who called you stupid?
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KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:39 AM
They are kind of “cracker-jacky” – but muuuuch, muuuch better
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williamg on May 19, 2013 at 1:39 AM
Dunno? Figured I could scroll back and find out or spend time with you. Who is stupid? ;-)
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:41 AM
Screaming Trees – All I Know
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 1:42 AM
lol
– jiggles ear.
I just heard that a minute ago. Weird.
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 1:43 AM
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:41 AM
hahahahaha..not u! (:
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 1:45 AM
B9??
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:46 AM
there you are!
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:47 AM
Speaking of Hussein’s corrupt tax cheating financiers not paying their fair share ,
(Via Drudge, in RED)
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/National/article1261720.ece
burrata on May 19, 2013 at 1:49 AM
Whitesnake – Judgement Day
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 1:50 AM
No – wimped out….worked
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 1:52 AM
No – wimped out….worked
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 1:52 AM
:(
Next time!
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 1:52 AM
Drops of Jupiter
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:53 AM
….you know what? i can’t find it, now………
I thought I scanned by it earlier…….but I may have dreamed it………
……or maybe there IS such a thing as “flashbacks”………
……sorry……….
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 1:55 AM
Whitesnake – Judgement Day
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 1:50 AM
Perfect..
Fits for me right now.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 1:56 AM
Shimmer
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:57 AM
Staying up for Ken..maybe for axe and Will too.
Dang..everyone bailed out early.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 1:58 AM
One of my guilty pleasures to like this song so much…….pop with heart!
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 1:59 AM
Sure did. I have staying power…
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 1:59 AM
That’s not what I meant. :)
Here’s the first time I ever read “I’d go and do that, but I want to be with you” –
And I meant it. :)
Here’s the second:
lol — And I Romeo meant it too. :)
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 1:59 AM
It is a quality jam!
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 2:00 AM
*And I bet Romeo . . .
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 2:00 AM
Meanwhile, a man who did more to get Bin Laden than Obama sits in prison… thanks to Obama.
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Hair band
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you’re so sweet!……..
ALL the dudes Love you – they think you’re the COOLEST!…..and they’re RIGHT!
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 2:03 AM
Everyone loves B9. How can I stand out?
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 2:05 AM
I don’t know, man …….maybe the answer is in the video somewhere…….
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 2:07 AM
Reel men eat doritoes.
SparkPlug on May 19, 2013 at 2:09 AM
Callin it a night. Gonna hitch a ride home.
KCB on May 19, 2013 at 2:10 AM
Reel men like fishing and filming.
SparkPlug on May 19, 2013 at 2:10 AM
lol!
No..not everyone loves B9.
But those with good taste do. ;)
Blush*
So sweet..thank you sincerely-guys.
Your pretty cool yourselves.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 2:10 AM
*crrr-unch!*
williamg on May 19, 2013 at 2:10 AM
– I’m out. I may be awhile. I may be ready to finish up my nuclear poof. I’ve never nuclear poofed without actually nuclear poofing, but something happened, and I lost my balance. I’ve got it back. I dunno how. I dunno how I lost it. I just work here, man. Anyway, this may be awhile.
– Note that I will be missing witchy-woman. She’s trying to change the world, you know. Mostly, she comes here to work. Anyone notices this, please try to help — I won’t be around to cross link. Probably. For awhile.
Well maybe Axe enjoyed you around. :)
Night guys. :)
(Night Sophie.)
Axe on May 19, 2013 at 2:10 AM
Okay, I am out too.
xoxo to y’all.
Have a blessed Sunday.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 2:11 AM
Bye sugar muffins. Lets have waffles for breakfast. I’ll bring the agave.
SparkPlug on May 19, 2013 at 2:15 AM
Tell Twerp I went fly fishing but didn’t catch any flies.
SparkPlug on May 19, 2013 at 2:15 AM
I blame those who take their bait more than I blame the attention-seeking trolls for the pollution created here – the trolls can only accomplish what they are enabled to…
Listen to Scrumpdillyicious: do narcissistic, amoral leftist scum like HAL and D(Bag)Bear ever listen, ever think, ever say anything interesting, or ever respectfully disagree?
Does anyone deny that such abusive retards are only as intelligent/wise & observant as wildebeesties #1 & #3 here? http://i.minus.com/ithiNL6EF0Y8R.gif
Why continue to circularly bicker with them? Don’t try saying that doing so makes HA a more enjoyable place to be!
Anti-Control on May 19, 2013 at 3:23 AM
Alright, who left the dang door open, there’s gonna be trolls all over this place today, Sparkplug if your the one who did it, there’s gonna be trouble……………..;-)
angrymike on May 19, 2013 at 5:10 AM
Oh, and I haven’t seen Jackie in a while, if anyone sees this tell her I said howdy, and really miss her wit…………..;-)
angrymike on May 19, 2013 at 5:16 AM
Probably good advice, but sometimes difficult to follow. It’s their cowardice which galls, safely anonymous, they will spew things that they never would if face to face at a park, in a bar, at a family function.. because hate filled stupid has consequences in real life.. but not on the web..
I’ll bite though, and personally pledge to try harder, much harder to just ignore them..
Tough though.. I’m a counter puncher by nature.
mark81150 on May 19, 2013 at 5:31 AM
My response at the Post:
Well written synopsis on Mr. Balz’ part with one glaring exception/assumption on his part—”That Obama knew nothing about it”. Unless Mr. Balz is a mind-reader, this is a bold statement not supported by any facts, and based on the obvious denials from the administration. Hard to believe (in totality) that even when Democratic leaders were calling for IRS investigations into conservative organizations, that Obama “knew nothing”. In fact, with all the controversial (and possible illegal actions in several departments), it’s utterly amazing how many of them, (department heads) claim to know absolutely NOTHING about what’s going on right under their noses. If President Obama has chosen to “look the other way” to insure plausible deniability, Mr. Balz could have phrased the statement “That Mr. Obama claims to know nothing”, which would be factually correct. Big difference than what Mr. Balz has assumed to be a fact.
Rovin on May 19, 2013 at 6:13 AM
I am of the position that this kind of exercise is truly only as difficult as a person thinks it is. I will also throw out, “practice makes perfect.”
I understand what you are saying, and I hope you know that I am not personally attacking people like you – I’m just constructively reminding you how utterly stupid and childish the leftards on the other ends of these conversations are, and how non-seriously their baiting insults should be taken. :)
Oblivious morons like HAL are the equivalent of attention-starved drug addicts who are abusively in denial, and indulging their asininity wastes the time of all involved parties. Circular, pointless bickering with them only ends up getting ourselves dirty when there is no good reason for us to allow that to happen.
Since you are a counterpuncher who might appreciate this, to grasp my idea of what to and what not to do counterpunching-wise with ever-sucking blackholish trolls like HAL, look at fellow counterpuncher Floyd Mayweather Jr.’s fight vs Cotto and compare it stylistically to his more recent fight with Guerrero. Against Cotto, he failed to properly utilize his superior defensive talent/advantage, and ended up getting tagged far too much. As a smart boxer, he realized this mistake before he fought Guerrero, and masterfully corrected the error.
Anti-Control on May 19, 2013 at 6:29 AM
And who do you think those shareholders are? If you say “rich evil conservatives”, you be wrong. A very large number of PENSIONS are invested in the oil industry because its a good stable, long-term investment… perfect for pension funds. But what I want to know is why you hate retired teachers, firefighters and police? Why should government bureaucrats get that “fair share” tax money instead of retirees who worked hard all their lives serving others? Why do you worship government, and hate hard workers?
Also, oil companies pay far higher percentages in taxes than other companies. If you want fair, then what you want is a flat tax system where everyone pays the same percent. But I suspect what you really want is more tax UN-fairness.
dominigan on May 19, 2013 at 7:19 AM
It’s the machine behind Obama that’s well oiled and clever not Obama. He is not an elite politician but a bumbling puppet. He is not clever without his prompter so who do you credit now, him or the people that program the prompter? Articles like this are an insult to the intelligence of most people praising the narcissist who credits himself with intelligence and is deaf to anyone not in agreement with him.
mixplix on May 19, 2013 at 8:23 AM
Ryun was on Fox this morning – said he got hits from the IP address for EOP dot gov….the Executive Office of the President.
Buy Danish on May 19, 2013 at 8:28 AM
Okay, which of y’all took page 5?
Put it back!
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 8:39 AM
Good Sunday Mornin, u’all! let’s take a look at Obama’s History, shall we? “The Great Disconnect: The Whole, Ugly Truth About Barack Hussein Obama” My take.
kingsjester on May 19, 2013 at 8:42 AM
Anti-Control on May 19, 2013 at 6:29 AM
I hate Star Trek, so came back here.
Wise Mr. AC. Nice boxing illustration.
HAL is one troll that I find easy to ignore.
Why? His motives are obvious..just hate filled
bombs he throws and watches the reactions in delight. I want to derive him of any pleasure he
may receive.
Pulling a rogerb- using his own words against him and a mock or a few is enough. Then I flush him.
He craves a fight and attention, simply for his own satisfaction and he usually gets it.
Just picture him behind his keyboard laughing…
that should help.
He has been on a frenzy for weeks…
Hmmm..timing..right when we had scandal after scandal breaking. Desperate.
He usually gets the thread derailed and he moves away from the topic. He also-if anyone has missed it..likes to post to posters here about their mom’s giving blow jobs and your trailer trash daughters doing the same.
Dudes a perv. He knows that will rile you up more then anything. But..many bite.
KA2 just mocks him-then casts him aside.
His sole purpose of being here is to inflame. Nothing more.
My 2 cents.
The best way to manage him? contain him.
Dude’s a lying, perv, pyscho- Time to quit feeding him. Wanna pi$$ him off? Ignore him.
He ain’t worth a shite or the time used on back and forths with him. Time is better spent with HAL blocker. Trust me. :)
Carry on.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 10:16 AM
?
The original, animated series, The next generation, Deep space Nine, Voyager, Enterprise, The movies, 7/9, all of them?
C’mon, really?
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 10:28 AM
– I’m out. I may be awhile. I may be ready to finish up my nuclear poof. I’ve never nuclear poofed without actually nuclear poofing, but something happened, and I lost my balance. I’ve got it back. I dunno how. I dunno how I lost it. I just work here, man. Anyway, this may be awhile.
– Note that I will be missing witchy-woman. She’s trying to change the world, you know. Mostly, she comes here to work. Anyone notices this, please try to help — I won’t be around to cross link. Probably. For awhile.
Staying up for Ken..maybe for axe and Will too.
Dang..everyone bailed out early.
Wth does that mean? No nuclear poofing allowed.
You have been growing on me..you cant go nuclear now!
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 10:35 AM
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 10:28 AM
Nope..can’t stand any of the sci-fi
stuff.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 10:46 AM
Then you miss out on some sweet eye candy.
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 10:55 AM
Then you miss out on some sweet eye candy.
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 10:55 AM
Nope..trust me..I got plenty. ;)
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 11:03 AM
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What in the heck do you think I was talkin’ about?
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.
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Dirty mind! Look at this link closely.
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 11:13 AM
Chicks? lol
Sorry..Sparky has ruined me.
Eh, space stuff is okay..
while I appreciate your links..
it just doesn’t get me excited.
Don’t know why.
I watched the shuttle go up a million times here..
right in my back yard..
Rocket went up the other day. It’s cool
but I just never got into it.
I did love my telescope and looking at the stars,planets,system…fascinating.
You know I am a odd ball ding bat. :)
I love Ships, subs, anything ocean related..my passion I guess.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 11:18 AM
Another world..inside the world.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM
Well then, you ain’t totally lost. Change anything to machine, and I’m with you.
Caspian Sea Monster
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM
And you didn’t look closely at that second link.
Though his link is broken, I keep my new website pretty well hidden.
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM
Caspian Sea Monster
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM
Now you’re talking!
That is bad ass!
ahhh..morning quality time with Coz.
I just got up..bad b9.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 11:28 AM
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM
hmmm..I have a clue now.
I think I get what your saying..coupled with past convo’s we had.
Give me a break..I just woke up and I am blond. :)
Until I ingest more caffeine..”my look closely” function is a bit off, my little kozmonot.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 11:33 AM
Eh, daughter is giving a speech at church, so I’m makin’ my biannual visit to Sunday service.
Enjoy me while you have me.
Since it appears we are the only two here.
Just got it up a while back and only the first page is live.
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 11:33 AM
Out of production….
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 11:35 AM
Enjoy me while you have me.
I actually do..I know..says something about me. ;)
Really? That is odd. All the juicy stuff disappeared then..
That would be me.
“Since it appears we are the only two here.”
Cool, thanks for sharing. I understand the oz more now. I see your passion and why.
I recall our morning talk a couple months back..you were making molds.
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 11:42 AM
*C*
bazil9 on May 19, 2013 at 11:43 AM
Its a very progressive church. One that this deist can tolerate, as long as they don’t expect me to sing.
Now if there was a way to kill that link.
Its a good thing the third page isn’t live. More than a dozen Trek kits there. And more on the way.
The Trek stuff alone pays for my evening hobby.
cozmo on May 19, 2013 at 1:25 PM
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