Media Matters plots “guerrilla warfare and sabotage” against Fox?

posted at 11:15 am on March 26, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Media criticism has been the bread and butter of the blogosphere from its opening days, especially for conservatives who pushed back against the liberal bias of the mainstream media.  The scope of those efforts have run the gamut from fact-checking news pieces to exposing biases of top-ranking executives, such as Eason Jordan at CNN.  Media Matters for America was formed as a left-wing analog to the more grassroots efforts in the conservative blogosphere to push back against the pushback and to focus criticism on conservative news and opinion outlets, including Hot Air on more than one occasion.

All of this is perfectly fair game.  Media critique is a game anyone can play, and it’s hard to argue that this kind of accountability is somehow bad for business.  But is it legitimate to declare that these efforts will consist of “sabotage” and “guerilla warfare”?

The liberal group Media Matters has quietly transformed itself in preparation for what its founder, David Brock, described in an interview as an all-out campaign of “guerrilla warfare and sabotage” aimed at the Fox News Channel.

The group, launched as a more traditional media critic, has all but abandoned its monitoring of newspapers and other television networks and is narrowing its focus to Fox and a handful of conservative websites, which its leaders view as a political organizations and the “nerve center” of the conservative movement. The shift reflects the centrality of the cable channel to the contemporary conservative movement, as well as the loathing it inspires among liberals — not least among the donors who fund Media Matters’ staff of about 90, who are arrayed in neat rows in a giant war room above Massachusetts Avenue.

“The strategy that we had had toward Fox was basically a strategy of containment,” said Brock, Media Matters’ chairman and founder and a former conservative journalist, adding that the group’s main aim had been to challenge the factual claims of the channel and to attempt to prevent them from reaching the mainstream media.

The new strategy, he said, is a “war on Fox.”

This isn’t unique language in the grassroots media-criticism industry.  A few individual bloggers have expressed a desire to destroy certain media outlets through criticism, and it’s certainly not unusual for conservatives to cheer the misfortunes of the New York Times, for instance.  However, the scale of MMFA and its reported $10 million budget put those boasts in a different and somewhat more credible light.

In the Green Room, Jazz Shaw argues that watching the watchers isn’t a bad thing at all, with Fox or any other media outlet:

Yes, I recognize the knee-jerk response to say that NPR and PBS both receive taxpayer dollars and should be held to a higher standard of transparency. But they do operate as media entities, not government agencies. Further, the media – especially the portion of it covering politics and government – are pretty much a de facto fourth branch of the government anyway. That description was enshrined by the founders right in the first amendment. Doesn’t the public have a right to know what’s going on with the people who provide the news, even if it’s a private corporation?

For that matter, doesn’t any corporation which provides goods or services to the public deserve some level of scrutiny so consumers can shop wisely? If a production line manager at a baby food company had a history of arrests for poisoning food, wouldn’t you want to know that before you made a purchase?

And let’s remember that this is a completely private outfit (MMFA) doing the investigating, not the United States government, so arguments about unconstitutional prying eyes doesn’t really cut it here.

In the end, if you honestly believe that Fox news isn’t up to anything improper, then they have nothing to worry about. And if MMFA just starts making things up out of thin air to attack them, that should be easily proven and potentially even open up the “watchdogs” to court proceedings over slander, etc.

I mostly agree with Jazz here, except that MMFA isn’t just pledging to be a “watchdog.”  They’re promising “sabotage,” which sounds less like investigative journalism and more like dirty tricks, aimed not at the reporting itself but at mid-level management at Fox.  If that consists of the same kind of undercover videos produced by James O’Keefe at ACORN and NPR, that’s fair game; the media have used stings like those for decades.  That’s hardly “sabotage,” though, which sounds like efforts at a completely different — and more base — level.

This may all be self-correcting anyway.  The success of media criticism comes in large part from the credibility of the critic.  When critics, whether a single person or a corporate entity, pledge that their mission is “sabotage,” they’ve essentially ceded that credibility from the start — and MMFA doesn’t exactly overflow with credibility as an independent watchdog now.

Update: Brandon Kiser argues that this should change MMFA’s tax status.


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Bring… it…on…

Khun Joe on March 26, 2011 at 11:17 AM

expect them to feed false stories to FOX then use it to their advantage.

rob verdi on March 26, 2011 at 11:18 AM

Khun Joe on March 26, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Yup.

OmahaConservative on March 26, 2011 at 11:19 AM

I’ll say the same thing here I said on Jazz’s post:

Only a blithering idiot would think there’s no tax money involved in MMFA’s operations. They may do it through several layers of laundering, but they almost certainly feed at the public trough somehow.

gryphon202 on March 26, 2011 at 11:20 AM

David Brock…wasn’t he that right-wing hatchet artist turned leftwing nutcase who only turned sides after his “tell-all” book about Hillary Clinton bombed and was an unqualified failure?

Good Lt on March 26, 2011 at 11:20 AM

David Brock is such a baaad girl…

horatio on March 26, 2011 at 11:20 AM

They certainly have their sights on Glenn Beck, to bad they picked a target that is up to the task of fighting back but also going on the offensive.

fourdeucer on March 26, 2011 at 11:20 AM

Does that explain some of the “new” commenters here at HA?

d1carter on March 26, 2011 at 11:22 AM

Who’s funding Color of Change….?

d1carter on March 26, 2011 at 11:23 AM

Is this new plot for “all sabotage” really different than what we already see taking place by the hands of every Soros funded project? Soros also owns the current version of the Democrat party, as we see how that’s working out. We must realize that this is the battle for America that many have written about; it’s here…. Hope we’re up for the test.

Keemo on March 26, 2011 at 11:23 AM

Sabotage? You mean like what Kilgore Trout tried to do here a couple years ago?

JeffWeimer on March 26, 2011 at 11:24 AM

I have to say Fox News is managing to do a pretty fair job of sabotaging itself.

“Fair and Balanced” seems to be a slogan that leads not only to excess air-time for yammering moonbats, but the employment of thoughtless, misinformed viewers-with-alarm like Juan “the Victim” Williams, Sheppie-Poo Smith and Jerry Rivers, but also off-the-rails babbling loons like Glenn Beck and self-important panderers like O’Reilly and Hannity.

Just for even more “balance,” there’s always Shuckabee.

If some of these people are occasionally right — that would most often be Beck — it doesn’t make up for damage done by too many incompetent, inconsistent, unpleasant members of the Fox “team.”

MrScribbler on March 26, 2011 at 11:25 AM

The new strategy, he said, is a “war on Fox.”

War??? Isn’t that rather violent imagery? Even the Obama administration won’t use that word. What happened to the new tone?

Oh, it’s war against a (supposedly) conservative organization. Never mind.

CJ on March 26, 2011 at 11:25 AM

gryphon202 on March 26, 2011 at 11:20 AM

Exactly. There are no squishes in foxholes.
Conservatism wins!

kingsjester on March 26, 2011 at 11:25 AM

Glenn Beck, Michelle Malkin, Andrew Breitbart, Michelle Bachmann; just to name a few who stand in the direct path of the Soros army. May God bless them and keep them safe!

Keemo on March 26, 2011 at 11:26 AM

They will stop at nothing in their quest to supress the truth.

Naturally Curly on March 26, 2011 at 11:26 AM

They declare WAR?

I wonder what the new Institute on Civility thinks about DAT!

artist on March 26, 2011 at 11:26 AM

They’re promising “sabotage,” which sounds less like investigative journalism and more like dirty tricks,

And this is different from the last 10 years?

VegasRick on March 26, 2011 at 11:28 AM

Media Matters was set up and is funded by GeØrge SØRØS. Brock must follow the “puppet masters orders. That’s his job to propagandize.
I believe the American people would be much more interested in auditing GeØrge SØRØS than anything else. No one has that kind of money to burn unless it’s made illegally. My money says SØRØS doesn’t pay any taxes just like Jeffrey Immelt’s GE didn’t do last year. Look out GeØrgie PØrgie, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

Jayrae on March 26, 2011 at 11:29 AM

War? Sabotage? Good. Bring it.

It’s been that for a time now. Better we get it out in the open and get on with it.

But I must say, using that language suggests desperation and near-defeat.

petefrt on March 26, 2011 at 11:29 AM

FNC is the bee in George Soros’ bonnet.

Rebar on March 26, 2011 at 11:30 AM

When Mr. Brock lost his mind, he lost it completely. It’s amazing to me that so much money and trust has been given to such a unhinged individual with no record of success in any of his ventures. But I am more than happy to see Mr. Soros waste funds on him.

Cindy Munford on March 26, 2011 at 11:31 AM

I wonder how much of this change came directly on orders from Soros?

It’d be interesting if someone asked Brock about his communications with Soros.

SteveMG on March 26, 2011 at 11:31 AM

soros has his slimy fingers all over this! I would imagine that Glenn is really the main one they are after. soros and bunch hate him with a passion because he uses their own words to crater them.
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letget on March 26, 2011 at 11:31 AM

Glenn Beck, Michelle Malkin, Andrew Breitbart, Michelle Bachmann; just to name a few who stand in the direct path of the Soros army. May God bless them and keep them safe!

Keemo on March 26, 2011 at 11:26 AM

Amen.

petefrt on March 26, 2011 at 11:31 AM

soros has his slimy fingers all over this! I would imagine that Glenn is really the main one they are after. soros and bunch hate him with a passion because he uses their own words to crater them.
L

letget on March 26, 2011 at 11:31 AM

“Spooky Dude” gets under soros’s scales.

VegasRick on March 26, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Media Matters is a tax-exempt 501(c)(3) organization. I wonder if “sabotage” is on the list of permitted activities to keep their tax-exempt status. I’m guessing no.

BuzzCrutcher on March 26, 2011 at 11:34 AM

Where is this going? What is the end game? Simple, go to Barnes & Noble and order a copy of Lenin’s “What Is to Be Done”. Written in 1906 after the disatrous Russo Japanese War,the book is a guide to the use of propaganda and media as the most vital tools in arousing the people and bringing down the establishment.Update printing presses and handbills to the web and cable and you will have a good idea of the goals of MMFA.

xkaydet65 on March 26, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Imagine how upset Soros and Media Matters would be with FNC if it were truly conservative rather than RINO-neocon.

bw222 on March 26, 2011 at 11:36 AM

In the end, if you honestly believe that Fox news isn’t up to anything improper, then they have nothing to worry about. And if MMFA just starts making things up out of thin air to attack them, that should be easily proven and potentially even open up the “watchdogs” to court proceedings over slander, etc.

Naive. Is there a similar organization on the right monitoring Media Matters? Court proceedings? Beyond naive. This is stupid, but what else can one expect from Jazz Shaw.

Basilsbest on March 26, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Im sure Sarah Palin hasnt been a target of such tactics right ?

The left decried “Swift boating” but they have been “Borking” Conservatives for years.

The only question is where is the funding of Conservatives from right backers ? Soros can give millions to push liberalism but the right just throws up its hands and lets bloggers stand on their own.

William Amos on March 26, 2011 at 11:36 AM

The scope of those efforts have run the gamut from fact-checking news pieces to exposing biases of top-ranking executives, such as Eason Jordan at CNN.

How about the biases of CNN’s founder, Ted Turner, who called Christianity “a religion of losers”, who praised the Soviet leaders as sincere (after “looking in their eyes”), & who thinks North Korea isn’t such a bad place?

itsnotaboutme on March 26, 2011 at 11:37 AM

David Brock is a gutless coward who hides behind the coattails of his master, George Soros, while he’s throwing bombs at what he considers his ultimate enemy, the Conservative Movement.

He uses the printed word less as a tool of information and more as a weapon to cut and hack and maim.

He has always been a tinkerer in what used to be known as “yellow journalism”, and he thinks he is some kind of masterful linguist who thinks that every word he jots down bears weight.

The truth is he is a lightweight hack who at one time was claiming he was a conservative, and when his last tome failed miserably, he switched allegiances and now has an axe to grind against conservatism, especially in it’s various manifestations including the Tea Party Movement.

Because he has the backing and bucks of mega-egoist George Soros, he thinks he can now declare war on agencies like Fox News and bring conservatism to its knees.

Frankly, I think the man is a joke who suffers from the delusion that he is some sort of force of nature to be reckoned with. The truth is he still has his undies all in a bunch over how he thinks he was wronged by conservatism, and that is what is eventually going to end up being his downfall.

So David Brock can gas all he wants, but the bottom line is that conservatism is not just Fox News and all he is going to do is end up firing up more of us to stand against him and a$$clowns like Soros and he is going to have a bigger mess on his hands than what he started with.

That being said, Brock, bring it on! And see where it gets you!

pilamaye on March 26, 2011 at 11:37 AM

What are the common factors between Ariana Huffington and David Brock?

CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 11:37 AM

I take that back. The left has been “Daisy ADing” the right since the 1960s.

William Amos on March 26, 2011 at 11:38 AM

David Brock…wasn’t he that right-wing hatchet artist turned leftwing nutcase who only turned sides after his “tell-all” book about Hillary Clinton bombed and was an unqualified failure? Good Lt on March 26, 2011 at 11:20 AM

I think he flipped left after being outed as gay. You’ve got to give him credit for recognizing that a gay conservative is a contradiction in terms. Not everyone understands that.

Akzed on March 26, 2011 at 11:38 AM

Former “Conservatives”

Homosexuality

Opportunism not conviction

CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 11:38 AM

Cue the scary *yaaaaaaaawwwwwnnn* music.

I think I’ll have a chimichanga for lunch.

Bishop on March 26, 2011 at 11:38 AM

CBSNBCABCCNNMSNBCLaTimesNewYorkTime have all pledged unwavering, unquestioning support for Dear Leader.

Fox is the only news outlet that dares to question Dear Leader. Its failure to follow lockstep has made it the target. When one does not raise its arms in tribute it exposes all the rest to the fraud that they are.

It only took one spectator of the parade to make everyone admit the honesty that the Emperor was naked.

kurtzz3 on March 26, 2011 at 11:40 AM

What are the common factors between Ariana Huffington and David Brock?
CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 11:37 AM

Self-loathing? Argue with themselves while sitting on the can?

Bishop on March 26, 2011 at 11:40 AM

I don’t even watch any of the opinion stuff on fox news anymore. I miss Brit Hume. Bair is ok.

maineconservative on March 26, 2011 at 11:46 AM

I’m sure now that Media Matters has admitted to an agenda that amounts to domestic terrorism, Big Sis and DHS will be all over them like white on rice…waiting…waiting…you guys hear crickets?

Wyznowski on March 26, 2011 at 11:49 AM

This is probably what Brock has in mind.

Setting: lunch in a swank DC eatery, Roger Ailes and David Brock at the table being filmed by a hidden camera.

Brock: Don’t you hate African Americans?

Ailes: What?!

Brock: You know, blacks. Don’t you hate them and want to keep them down and all?

Ailes: Excuse me, I have to go. And I’ll take this little box you put here which is probably recording this.

Akzed on March 26, 2011 at 11:50 AM

MMFA ‘warfare’ on Fox?

I hope the kinetic media action-fare is as entertaining as the videos of laser guided munitions dropped on ‘militants’.

Greg Toombs on March 26, 2011 at 11:50 AM

The group, launched as a more traditional media critic, has all but abandoned its monitoring of newspapers and other television networks and is narrowing its focus to Fox and a handful of conservative websites, which its leaders view as a political organizations and the “nerve center” of the conservative movement.

So 19th century in their outlook, that ‘nerve center’ idea.

This is the disintermediated, distributed, person-2-person era of media where everyone with a computer has a printing press. Just as there is no ‘nerve center’ of the Tea Party there is no ‘nerve center’ of conservatism: just the ideals of personal liberty, freedom and helping your fellow man to lead a better life with the greatest freedom of all being that of being free FROM government.

Works, too.

Brock, Soros, et. al. have yet to join even the latter half of the 20th century, not to speak of the 21st. Jung is displacing Freud, and they just don’t know how to deal with that sort of world. It will be messy to finally convince these sorts of power hungry centralizers that man is born free, meant to live free or die trying. Yes, that will be quite messy as the old system ‘changes’ to one not centralized, not beholden to government and supports the liberty of our fellow man to be free.

I hope I live to see it bloom, as that is our future, not this Statist abyss the Left continues to wish for.

ajacksonian on March 26, 2011 at 11:55 AM

No amount of money can buy integrity. Brock sacrificed his integrity years ago in favor of profit. He’s the perfect example of how greed can make a man sell his soul to the devil.

BruthaMan on March 26, 2011 at 11:58 AM

Media Matters doesn’t matter.

FireBlogger on March 26, 2011 at 11:59 AM

And if the nerve center kinetic guerrilla operation against FOX doesn’t work, the peaceful leftists can always burn down the building and physically assault the employees.

Bishop on March 26, 2011 at 11:59 AM

The new strategy, he said, is a “war on Fox.”

Is it war or “Kinetic Media Action”, KMA for short.

PatMac on March 26, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Same as it ever was.

MES401067 on March 26, 2011 at 12:03 PM

… And if MMFA just starts making things up out of thin air to attack them, that should be easily proven …

This is EXACTLY what MM has been caught doing again and again for years. Media Matters is an irrelevant fraud looking for a way to keep the fools that fund them continue to send cash.

Freddy on March 26, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Does that explain some of the “new” commenters here at HA?

d1carter on March 26, 2011 at 11:22 AM

Interesting observation. It very well could, now or in the future. Something I hope all HA (and other site) commenters keep in mind.

They’re not just monitoring. They intend to deliberately sabotage.

Gilda on March 26, 2011 at 12:04 PM

the media – especially the portion of it covering politics and government – are pretty much a de facto fourth branch of the government anyway

That’s only true when a liberal Democrat is president.

AZCoyote on March 26, 2011 at 12:05 PM

Media Matters and ALL left-wing causes just got their knickers in a bunch because they don’t like ANYONE who disagrees with them…especially when said party can point out all their lies and faulty ideology.

If they REALLY want to go after Fox News, why not take them to task for their TRUE faults…like the 19% owned by Saudi Prince al-Waleed bin Talal (and due to this association, they have sugar-coated issues that have to deal with Islamic jihad) and their active blacklisting of Jack Cashill (to promote his great book “Deconstructing Obama”) or that fraudulent bully Bill O’Reilly on how HE sometimes gets to dictate who the channel will blacklist (like Michael Savage) and his mistreatment of women or how they discarded E.D. Hill or Catherine Herridge’s lawsuit against them?

I have no problem if peeps hate Fraud News (or PAWNN~Prince al-Waleed News Network) but please, go after them with the TRUTH not your stupid lefty double-speak because you have NO PLACE in the marketplace of ideas!!!

Gob on March 26, 2011 at 12:05 PM

They’re not just monitoring. They intend to deliberately sabotage.

Gilda on March 26, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Yep. We know leftists infiltrated the TP events to try to make them look bad.

CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 12:06 PM

The left doesnt like losing so they go full guerilla warfare to regain power.

This is why conservative GOP governments dont last. The left goes up in flames when they lose power and they will use any dirty trick and operation to regain it.

Conservatives better start fighting fire with fire.

William Amos on March 26, 2011 at 12:06 PM

Keith Olbermann did nothing but do one Media Matters fed segment as another, it might as well have been called “The Media Matters Show”. I think they’re a bit unnerved that after his demise people have sort of forgotten about him after promising that there would be blood in the streets and cities would burn when he was fired.

Marcus on March 26, 2011 at 12:08 PM

As long as someone is watching Media Matters it is probably okay. Keep it honest.

But seriously they have a budget of $10,000,000? And just yesterday they called ACE out for being mean to McCain’s daughter? Lame.

It’s not just Fox but all of us here that are being monitored…

I wonder if some of that money is paid to the trolls who sabotage threads.

I bet there really are paid trolls!

That is sort of amazing, they have to pay protesters and they have to pay trolls. They don’t have much to offer do they?

We should remember that, when we start attacking each other. I firmly believe that there were paid trolls going after Romney in 2008, and the crap they pushed–stuck. It played into already established stereotypes and was so irrelevant, but they know what will set people off.

Trolls aren’t always wrong, just examine the motivation and relevance of the talking points they push. It could be just to get under our skin.

petunia on March 26, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Gob it’s Faux News. Get your talking points straight. Sheesh.

CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 12:08 PM

“The strategy that we had had toward Fox was basically a strategy of containment,” said Brock, Media Matters’ chairman and founder and a former conservative journalist

How many conservative journalists (current or former) know to use Alinsky tactics?

mizflame98 on March 26, 2011 at 12:09 PM

And yet, Liberals, anonymously identifying themselves as ” Moderates” or ”Fiscal Conservatives”, still continue to infiltrate every Conservative Internet Website that they can, in order to try to stop America’s Political Pendulum from its enevitable swing back to the Right.

Thank goodness the phonys are easy to spot.

kingsjester on March 26, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Yep. We know leftists infiltrated the TP events to try to make them look bad.

CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 12:06 PM

They formed false tea parties and candidates. They bused in union thugs to imtimidate the government in Wisconsin. They went around homeless shelters to recruit people with beer and cigarettes to vote for democrats. They used groups like ACORN to create fake voters to vote. They had people cast multiple votes in multiple states. They pushed for non US citizens to vote in elections. The list goes on and on.

At what point does it become clear that the left is really at war with America ?

William Amos on March 26, 2011 at 12:10 PM

MMFA DON’T SURF!

Christien on March 26, 2011 at 12:10 PM

MrScribbler on March 26, 2011 at 11:25 AM

Nice post! I may agree with Beck is not everyone’s cuppa, but what he showcases is very important, like him or not.

Also, thanks for reminding me of their love for Sean Hannity (sorry, he is not a heavy-hitter, among others things) and I would like to add their employment of Kirsten “the luckiest girl in the world” Powers is ponderous.

Gob on March 26, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Gob it’s Faux News. Get your talking points straight. Sheesh.

CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 12:08 PM

LOL! Yep. Gob is a good name for that one.

VegasRick on March 26, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Is it war or “Kinetic Media Action”, KMA for short.

PatMac on March 26, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Good one!

Naturally Curly on March 26, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Hahahaha! They have a file on Ace and probably Allahpundit, too. Something about snorking and squeakholes.

Blake on March 26, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Saying you are watchdog on a war footing is maybe more stupid than dangerous.

Conan on March 26, 2011 at 12:18 PM

CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 12:08 PM

No TP’s here. I am just stating the true problems with Fraud News.

Sorry, but I am NOT going to support a channel just because they “may” be Conservative. If you want to take umbrage because I don’t fawn at a so-called Conservative channel that changes their coverage/words to appease the Saudi Prince 19% owner, that’s your choice.

I am NOT supporting anything anymore that caters to Islamic jihad. Sorry. That’s where I am drawing the line.

Gob on March 26, 2011 at 12:20 PM

“Guerrilla warfare”, “sabotage”?

Somehow, Sarah Palin’s Crosshairs must be responsible for this, I just KNOW it!

NEW TONE, people… NEW TONE!

The Monster on March 26, 2011 at 12:21 PM

Meh, they can do whatever they want, but a staff of 90? Ninety people are needed to watch television 24 hours a day and pick out what they want to write about? Ninety people are needed to read a few, selected conservative web sites?

That’s pure idiocy, but it goes to show you those who donate to their cause simply don’t care about wasting money on way, way too many employees (I’d think a staff of 5 or 6 should suffice) to get their point across. Or, in this case, silence the opposition. Clearly those who donate also don’t care about results either since the ratings and popularity of those they attack continues to go up.

Chad_ on March 26, 2011 at 12:22 PM

Sure would be nice if liberals were willing to wage war on, you know, people who are actually enemies of this country.

clearbluesky on March 26, 2011 at 12:22 PM

VegasRick on March 26, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Why Vegas? I am not of the left. Are you just gonna knee-jerk flame me because I dare to not like Fraud News?

Look at what I wrote to bolster my cause. Sorry, but just ‘cuz we are on the Right does NOT mean that we don’t call out our side when something stinks.

If that is the case, why not just pander for Obama or Hillary Clinton?

Don’t be so knee-jerky. Makes one look foolish.

Gob on March 26, 2011 at 12:23 PM

David Brock…wasn’t he that right-wing hatchet artist turned leftwing nutcase who only turned sides after his “tell-all” book about Hillary Clinton bombed and was an unqualified failure?

Good Lt on March 26, 2011 at 11:20 AM

Yes, the one and same.

Via Discover The Networks (Individuals) :: David Brock: Media Liar, by Jacob Laskin

Brass on March 26, 2011 at 12:25 PM

OT – Breaking News from FOX

Geraldine Ferraro has died.

VegasRick on March 26, 2011 at 12:25 PM

foolish.

Gob on March 26, 2011 at 12:23 PM

CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Don’t be so knee-jerky. Makes one look foolish.

Gob on March 26, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Names like “Fraud News” makes one look foolish. Please give me a couple of fraud news pieces that FOX has done.

VegasRick on March 26, 2011 at 12:28 PM

What’s news here???

Media Matters For (A Soros) America has been doing this since O’baby got elected and erected his Styrofoam Temples.

tarpon on March 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Easy to read little simpletons. They’ll ALWAYS show you what scares ‘em!

Fox News
Palin
Limbaugh

The clueless little twerps don’t realise that the problem is their own warped world-view.

Playing poker with liberals is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Tim_CA on March 26, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Gob -Fox in general does a good job. I only partake on occasion and likely hear more of their news on the radio than on TV. I just tire of people on the left or right overstating their case. So quit with the “Fraud News” .

CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Sorry, but I am NOT going to support a channel just because they “may” be Conservative. If you want to take umbrage because I don’t fawn at a so-called Conservative channel that changes their coverage/words to appease the Saudi Prince 19% owner, that’s your choice.

Gob on March 26, 2011 at 12:20 P

Oh and Straw Man much?

CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 12:34 PM

CW and Vegas, I refuse to get into a flame-war with other Conservatives on this site. This is NOT the Huffpo. Now, I know you both are pissed that I don’t like Fraud News, but I have listed some true issues I have for them.

I don’t support MM either. Nor any lefty organization.

It’s easier for you to flame a fellow Conservative and “think” I may be a Lib (I have been here long enough to have the bona fides to prove I am NOT) JUST on the fact that I don’t support Fraud News anymore. That’s sad and short-sided.

Again, if I am going to support something that is light on Islamic Jihad JUST because they are so-called “Conservative”, I may as well go against my principals and support Obama or Hillary Clinton.

Gob on March 26, 2011 at 12:36 PM

CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Sorry, CW, but I am NOT. You have an issue with that, sorry.

Gob on March 26, 2011 at 12:38 PM

That’s sad and short-sided.

Gob on March 26, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Which “side”?

Tim_CA on March 26, 2011 at 12:38 PM

GOB I noticed that you could not give examples as Vegas suggested. Notice: I am not surprised.

Did I say you were a lib? You really like that straw man fellow.

CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 12:39 PM

Cool: I have my sign ready for the next pro-union rally I plan to crash:

“What up, Brocksuckers?!”

The struggle continue.

(See, I drop the “s” off of “continues” ’cause I’m so street and s##t. You feelin’ me?)

Sincerely,

Generic SEIU/Acorn Thug # blah blah blah

Dion on March 26, 2011 at 12:39 PM

GOB you little twerp bring the proof. Fraud is a very strong word. You do realize that?

CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 12:40 PM

Who needs a lib to lie and distort when you have a gob.

CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 12:41 PM

Don’t be so knee-jerky. Makes one look foolish.

Gob on March 26, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Names like “Fraud News” makes one look foolish. Please give me a couple of fraud news pieces that FOX has done.

VegasRick on March 26, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Going on 15 minutes and still nothing.

CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 12:42 PM

“guerrilla warfare and sabotage”

The proper term for this is Progressive Fascism.

locomotivebreath1901 on March 26, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Again, if I am going to support something that is light on Islamic Jihad JUST because they are so-called “Conservative”, I may as well go against my principals and support Obama or Hillary Clinton.

Gob on March 26, 2011 at 12:36 PM

I’m not trying to start a flame war with you but I think that you have to admit that out of all of the news channels FOX is the fairest to the truth. And “Fraud” is not accurate.

VegasRick on March 26, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Is John Stossel a fraud?

CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 12:43 PM

“Fraud” is not accurate.

VegasRick on March 26, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Gob don’t care. Much like a lib it all has to fit the desired narrative.

CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 12:44 PM

CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 12:39 PM

What are you talking about? Didn’t I provide a list in my initial post?
Don’t you know how to use Google? What is it that you want me to provide?

Tim, what I stated as sad was just because a Conservative does not like Fraud News (or support them anymore) that fellow-Conservatives take umbrage and immediately flame and go for the ad-hominem.

This site used to be a better place for debate, but lately fellow Cons puff up their chest and immediately go for the name-calling. I am tired of that. That’s what insecure Liberals do.

Gob on March 26, 2011 at 12:44 PM

Is Hannity a fraud? Greta?

CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Now, I know you both are pissed that I don’t like Fraud News, but I have listed some true issues I have for them.

I don’t support MM either. Nor any lefty organization.

Gob on March 26, 2011 at 12:36 PM

So you get your news from osmosis? Look sweetheart….I’ve been watching your nonsense dominate this thread for 20 minutes now, and you have yet to cite any specific examples of fraud in the FOX organisation.

It really is time to put up or shut up ya dope.

Tim_CA on March 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM

GOB you proved no fraud. You cannot even handle the simplest of questions. Just like a lib.

Again is Stossel a fraud? He is on Fox? Greta? Hannity?

Nice broad brush their you twerp.

Keep maintaining your narrative. Good work.

CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM

fraud in the FOX organisation.

Tim_CA on March 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM

His proof is a silly rant at the beginning of this thread. Psst I don’t think gob is an attorney. Just a guess.

CWforFreedom on March 26, 2011 at 12:49 PM

I get a lot of my news from the internet. I watch very little Fox News aside from Greta and Gutfeld, but I think people that are genuinely upset with FNC need to calm down and really take a look at the writing on the wall.

Fox News fills a niche that no other news channel is able, let alone willing, to fill. They trounce their competitors regularly precisely because they are the best that’s out there. Maybe not as conservative as they could be, and God knows they don’t make all of the same hiring decisions I would, but success speaks for itself.

I’m conservative, folks. It’s not in me to begrudge successful people/organizations their success, and I’m not about to start now. When I don’t like what’s on Fox, or any other network (news or otherwise), it’s easier now than ever before for me to turn the channel and find something else.

gryphon202 on March 26, 2011 at 12:49 PM

VegasRick on March 26, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Yes, Rick, in theory, I didn’t disagree with your point in the past, but now, as with the times AND with how the media is cow-towing to Muslims that support Jihad, I have said ENOUGH. I does not sit right with me anymore to say it’s ok what Fox does just because they are more Conservative. You don’t have to draw that line, but I did.

CW, shame on you. You are acting like a bully and I have provided more info for my case and you have merely spouted attacks. It reflects poorly on you. (And we have agreed on issues in the past. Shame on you!)

Gob on March 26, 2011 at 12:50 PM

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