Video: Libya vs. Iraq

posted at 4:13 pm on March 25, 2011 by Allahpundit

Via Jonah Goldberg, mordant robot theater on a slow Friday afternoon. It was posted to YouTube on March 22, the day before Howard Dean introduced America to the “Democratic wars are okay” school of foreign policy.

The most obvious difference between Libya and Iraq, needless to say, is who’s doing the dictator-toppling on the ground. At the moment, if this devastating report from McClatchy is accurate, it sounds like … no one is.

Rebel fighters who once vowed to seize Tripoli from Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi instead have retreated from their forward positions to defend their homes, saying their rebel council isn’t leading them, they don’t trust their military commanders and their army is divided.

Days of interviews throughout Libya’s rebel-dominated eastern half provide a grim picture of the group whose side the U.S. and its coalition partners have taken in a fight whose goal, if unstated, is to drive Gadhafi from power after 42 years. The rebels hardly seem ready to take the lead…

“We don’t have an army,” said Lt. Saleh Ibrahim, a former restaurateur who is now supposed to be a rebel commander. “We have been betrayed by infiltrators on the frontline. And when Benghazi came under attack, our government fled to Egypt. We are not safe here. For me, at least I will defend my family.”…

At the 7th of April Army base here, a major rebel army headquarters, Ibrahim, 57, says any appearance of organization is illusory. He said he’s too embarrassed to invite reporters inside because, he said, he doesn’t want the world to see “all the rubbish we have.”…

“All the tanks here are for show only. We don’t have ammunition. We don’t have weapons. We don’t have anything,” he said, the exasperation evidence in his voice.

There’s much more at the link, all of it relentlessly dire. Admiral Gortney admitted to reporters today that Qaddafi’s ground troops are still a major threat, a full week’s worth of airstrikes notwithstanding, and there are cryptic reports in the last hour or so of Qaddafi having “promoted his entire army.” What that means isn’t clear — maybe it’s a simple case of a nut being nutty — but it could mean that he’s now pressing civilians in his territory into military service, either as gunmen or as human shields. As unlikely as it sounds, there do seem to be Libyans who are devoted to him, whose hearts would break if the Great Man ended up at the end of a rope. Quote from a Qaddafi opponent: “They’ve known no one else all their lives. They think he’s in their blood.”

As I’m writing this, an NPR correspondent is tweeting, “Our Pentagon source says Gaddafi still has the advantage, and the US is considering the possibility of arming opposition with RPGs.” So that’ll be the first phase of escalation. No surprise, given the report yesterday about State Department lawyers searching for loopholes in the UN resolution.


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As I’m writing this, an NPR correspondent is tweeting, “Our Pentagon source says Gaddafi still has the advantage, and the US is considering the possibility of arming opposition with RPGs.”

And do we even know who we’re arming?

Doughboy on March 25, 2011 at 4:16 PM

Winning The Future (WTF), one caliphate at a time. See Lebanon, see Egypt, see Libya, see Yemen, see Iran,…

Name me one people who are free, due to Obama.

I know of the Black Panthers already.

Schadenfreude on March 25, 2011 at 4:18 PM

That xtranormal video is hilarious. I would quote it but I don’t want to spoil it for anyone.

Other than the video being hilarious, this is all very sad.

Missy on March 25, 2011 at 4:18 PM

And do we even know who we’re arming?

Doughboy on March 25, 2011 at 4:16 PM

7th centrury tribes, some of whom have flags.

Schadenfreude on March 25, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Dayum! I had several conversations just like this one in the past week. And these were with tenured college professors who have access to hundreds and hundreds of kids every semester.

Oh well, Obama is awesome. /

coldwarrior on March 25, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Don’t forget the “get out of jail free”card:

Mr. Obama’s administration, however, has clearly tried to avoid the debate over a strategy beyond that by shifting the burden of enforcing the United Nations Security Council resolution authorizing force on to France, Britain and other allies, including Arab nations like Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, which on Thursday said that it would contribute warplanes to the effort. In other words, the American exit strategy is not necessarily the coalition’s exit strategy.

“We didn’t want to get sucked into an operation with uncertainty at the end,” the senior administration official said. “In some ways, how it turns out is not on our shoulders.

tree hugging sister on March 25, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Kinetic

vcferlita on March 25, 2011 at 4:25 PM

Other than the video being hilarious, this is all very sad.

Missy on March 25, 2011 at 4:18 PM

And very true…the liberals I know, always with the “Bush was an idiot” meme.

JetBoy on March 25, 2011 at 4:25 PM

Kinetic clusterfark

Schadenfreude on March 25, 2011 at 4:26 PM

And very true…the liberals I know, always with the “Bush was an idiot” meme.

JetBoy on March 25, 2011 at 4:25 PM

Yep, just like the liberals I know, too.

Missy on March 25, 2011 at 4:30 PM

That video is too true.

crazy_legs on March 25, 2011 at 4:31 PM

Timing, wow! Just as they took the ‘lead’ on Libya

OTTAWA (Reuters) – Canada’s minority Conservative government was defeated in a non-confidence vote on Friday, setting the scene for a federal election in early May.

Legislators in the House of Commons voted by 156-145 to back the motion, which was presented by the main opposition Liberal Party.

Schadenfreude on March 25, 2011 at 4:31 PM

“Our Pentagon source says Gaddafi still has the advantage, and the US is considering the possibility of arming opposition with RPGs.”

These will need the attachment which allows celebratory 90 degree vertical grenade launch. Will need a very large supply of grenades.

a capella on March 25, 2011 at 4:35 PM

Who the rebels are.

Rebel Commander in Libya Fought Against U.S. in Afghanistan

Schadenfreude on March 25, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Entering week two.

Of course, weeks are comprised of days. For that matter so are months and years…

So either way, Obama spoke the truth.

catmman on March 25, 2011 at 4:43 PM

I’ll explain it all and quite smartly and simply. Just where oh where is my effing white shirt or blue shirt??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

betsyz on March 25, 2011 at 4:45 PM

funny vid clip.

ted c on March 25, 2011 at 4:46 PM

I know this is “robot theater”, but I have had eerily similar conversations in reality. Liberalism truly is a mental disease.

No Blood for Oil! Genocide! Unpaid for Illegal Undeclared War! [Huff...Puff...Froth...Froth....Spittle...Spittle]

[Argument Over...I am Righteous...I Win]

DeathB4Tyranny on March 25, 2011 at 4:47 PM

And do we even know who we’re arming?

Doughboy on March 25, 2011 at 4:16 PM

al-Qaida?

j_galt on March 25, 2011 at 4:48 PM

I know some people like her that want to get Obama’s name tattooed on their body.
I just say why stop there and get “Together We Thrive” tattooed above their butt crack.

Electrongod on March 25, 2011 at 4:51 PM

This is depressing, yet funny. Liberals are so hypocritical.

scotash on March 25, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Great video.

The cognitive dissonance is so thick, you can almost grab a handful and knead it.

hillbillyjim on March 25, 2011 at 4:57 PM

That xtranormal video is hilarious. I would quote it but I don’t want to spoil it for anyone.
Other than the video being hilarious, this is all very sad.
Missy on March 25, 2011 at 4:18 PM

That was succint and thorough and it’s animation. Give the creators Couric’s job.

CCRWM on March 25, 2011 at 4:58 PM

If it were a true representation of current liberal thought on Iraq vs. Libya, she’d have been throwing in curse words by the end of the video…

jon1979 on March 25, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Obama could screw up a wet dream. What a clusterf***

unseen on March 25, 2011 at 5:01 PM

The most obvious difference between Libya and Iraq, needless to say, is who’s doing the dictator-toppling on the ground.

There is no difference between the Iraniand and Libyan Muslim Rev0lutions.

Ayatollah Khomeini only had a few dozen followers while the riots were going on. It was only AFTER the Shah had left that one guy rose above the rest of the pack of Mullahs in proving that he hated Joos and The Great Satan America more than any of his “Brothers.”

logis on March 25, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Oh, those silly Liberals.

nickj116 on March 25, 2011 at 5:02 PM

unseen on March 25, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Hahaha.

nickj116 on March 25, 2011 at 5:02 PM

“Our Pentagon source says Gaddafi still has the advantage, and the US is considering the possibility of arming opposition with RPGs.”


Remember how “pouring sea water” into the reactor/s at Fukushima was “their last desperate attempt” before the inevitable apocalypse? Well, this action is actually “a last desperate attempt” before it all falls apart (the pathetic coalition/committee, perhaps even the whole Operation).

There is simply no cohesive fighting force on the ground in Libya, no weapon supplied to them will change anything. They are not the Northern Alliance of Afghanistan.

Demosthenes on March 25, 2011 at 5:03 PM

Sadly accurate video.

And do we even know who we’re arming?

Doughboy on March 25, 2011 at 4:16 PM

We’ll know in a few years when those RPGs are aimed at our airliners.

hawksruleva on March 25, 2011 at 5:06 PM

*Sigh* it’s times like this I really feel sorry for the poor souls that have to defend President Facepalm, I really do.

Chip on March 25, 2011 at 5:07 PM

That was succint and thorough and it’s animation. Give the creators Couric’s job.

CCRWM on March 25, 2011 at 4:58 PM

I loved her gestures when she said stuff like “Bush lied.”

Missy on March 25, 2011 at 5:10 PM

LMAO
“You do know that those are comedy shows, right?”

WitchDoctor on March 25, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Almost exactly the conversations I’ve experienced. Why does this happen?

Add in a few more lines from the woman about Neo Cons, and you have it… or did I just not get that far in the video yet?

IUnknown on March 25, 2011 at 5:17 PM

“Don’t you know that you are making Charlie Sheen seem rational.”

ladyingray on March 25, 2011 at 5:17 PM

“Oh God…”

About sums it up…

karl9000 on March 25, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Four weeks ago the CIA and clandestine elements should have armed
some rebels with anti aircraft, communications and logistics capabilities if we wanted to get involved.

What a joke our foreign policy has been for years. Our wars are poorly managed and fought. Our amazing fighting men pay the price. People pay the price. The taxpayer pays the price.

Fight it smart or dont fight it all.

blatantblue on March 25, 2011 at 5:23 PM

As I’m writing this, an NPR correspondent is tweeting, “Our Pentagon source says Gaddafi still has the advantage, and the US is considering the possibility of arming opposition with RPGs.”

Is anyone else uncomfortable with arming ANY Arabs whatsoever?

disa on March 25, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Mulligan!

ronsfi on March 25, 2011 at 5:36 PM

As I’m writing this, an NPR correspondent is tweeting, “Our Pentagon source says Gaddafi still has the advantage, and the US is considering the possibility of arming opposition with RPGs.”
Is anyone else uncomfortable with arming ANY Arabs whatsoever?
disa on March 25, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Raising my hand… Haven’t we been there and dine that before with Iraq and Afghanistan in the 70s? Weren’t those arms and training used against us in terror attacks?

CCRWM on March 25, 2011 at 5:45 PM

That video is devastating.

paul1149 on March 25, 2011 at 5:49 PM

CCRWM on March 25, 2011 at 5:45 PM

No they weren’t

blatantblue on March 25, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Yeah, Libya will end well. Such a brilliant idea, going in there. On the one hand we’ll turn the country in to Jihadi Disney. OTOH we’ll have years of nation building to look forward to as well.

No, the problem was not that we did the right thing at the wrong time as the CW says. The problem is that we did the wrong thing and there was never a right time for it.

MJBrutus on March 25, 2011 at 5:54 PM

I know of the Black Panthers already.

Schadenfreude on March 25, 2011 at 4:18 PM

Hopefully we can set the Public Employee Unions free next.

ExpressoBold on March 25, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Cool video. If they could get a computer voice to have that smug smarmy sneering superior tone we all know so well, it would have been spooky.

jodetoad on March 25, 2011 at 6:08 PM

On the bright side, maybe Qadhafi will finally pay for Pan Am 103…

blatantblue on March 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM

The guy in the cartoon has the Patience of Job. I wonder if anyone in real life would be able to continue to try to talk sense into such an airhead, past the first “0bama is awesome”..

LegendHasIt on March 25, 2011 at 6:34 PM

That was a pretty funny video. I didn’t realize crr6 was blonde.

BlueCollarAstronaut on March 25, 2011 at 6:38 PM

That was a pretty funny video. I didn’t realize crr6 was blonde.

BlueCollarAstronaut on March 25, 2011 at 6:38 PM

I knew she was a robot, but I didn’t know she was blond either.

DeathB4Tyranny on March 25, 2011 at 6:44 PM

Great video, sad situation. It’s disturbing to read about the confusion as to this mission and it’s horrifying to see what’s going on in Syria now. I predict the president will play golf tomorrow.

scalleywag on March 25, 2011 at 6:46 PM

Good heavens. The Telegraph has an article indicating the Libyan rebel leader indicates the rebels have links to al qaeda. Funny but insightful video.

So we’re fighting al qaeda in Afghanistan. Now we’re supporting rebels in Libya with al qaeda links? yeah, what the devil could possibly go wrong.

And now the NYT says the Muslim Brotherhood is taking over the revolution there? Golly, what idiot didn’t see tha coming. For the sake of mercy, can we dump the union thugs and code pink dogs in Egypt?

God help us and preserve our nation.

Does anyone have the link to the extranormal video that was recently posted? I think it dealt with school loans or some such.

PalmettoPatriot on March 25, 2011 at 7:07 PM

How in the world can the main stream media journalists sleep at night?

Cinematicfilm on March 25, 2011 at 7:17 PM

Which of our Hollywood Stars do I recognize in this video? I can’t quite put my finger on it………….

This is a real sit/dram, correct?

Robert17 on March 25, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Great video. Thanks.

SukieTawdry on March 25, 2011 at 7:39 PM

I really don’t get it. Sure, a lot of them are just unprincipled, but this is a bit much. Then again, it has always seemed that many anti-war liberals are only anti-war if the war in question could possibly benefit the US in any way.

Esthier on March 25, 2011 at 7:45 PM

The blond in the vid is like my sister in law, exactly like her.Makes for tense family visits.As for that NPR report about arming the rebels, are we going to ask the North Vietnamese for RPGs? We don’t use them and don’t produce them.I don’t think we’re going to hand over AT 4s or Javelins.

xkaydet65 on March 25, 2011 at 7:56 PM

“WINNING!”

“….Indeed.”

ReformedAndDangerous on March 25, 2011 at 8:52 PM

I work with about 4 people like that.

wi farmgirl on March 25, 2011 at 9:31 PM

The most obvious difference between Libya and Iraq, needless to say, is who’s doing the dictator-toppling on the ground. At the moment, if this devastating report from McClatchy is accurate, it sounds like … no one is.

This is the wrong comparison. Dictator toppling is so 2003. This is 1991 all over again. Still, I blame Bush. He should have toppled a dictator back then.

Pablo on March 25, 2011 at 11:05 PM

As I’m writing this, an NPR correspondent is tweeting, “Our Pentagon source says Gaddafi still has the advantage, and the US is considering the possibility of arming opposition with RPGs.”

Is anyone else uncomfortable with arming ANY Arabs whatsoever?

disa on March 25, 2011 at 5:27 PM

I understand your point about arming any Arabs whatsoever. On the other hand, as long as we don’t give them anything too good, and give them just enough to keep them fighting each other, I can see doing it. When they’re killing each other they’re not killing us.

deewhybee on March 26, 2011 at 1:23 AM

And where will the US get these RPG’s? We don’t use them.

csdeven on March 26, 2011 at 3:12 AM

The cartoon would be funny if it were not so much like what discussions with real liberals sound like.

“Obama is cool!”

“Halliburton!”

hawkdriver on March 26, 2011 at 8:31 AM

DeathB4Tyranny on March 25, 2011 at 6:44 PM

She’s not a real blonde. *cough*

Dino64 on March 26, 2011 at 1:57 PM

This video explains it all perfectly. Truth is stranger than fiction.

scotash on March 28, 2011 at 3:49 AM