Analysis: International coalition for Libya operation is smallest since end of Cold War

posted at 5:12 pm on March 25, 2011 by Allahpundit

How dishonest has the left/media spin about The One’s alleged diplomatic triumph been? Go look at the sentence Jeffrey Goldberg pulled from Reuters’s latest excrescence. Somewhere Tony Blair is reading these comparisons of Obama’s League of Justice to Cowboy George having “gone it alone” and wondering if he hallucinated those years of endless screeching about him being “Bush’s poodle” for sending thousands of British troops to hold southern Iraq together.

Anyway, here’s how triumphant our coalition-building triumph is:

The Cable compiled a chart listing all the countries that contributed at least some military assets to the five major military operations in which the United States participated in a coalition during the last 20 years: the 1991 Gulf War (32 countries participating), the 1995 Bosnia mission (24 countries), the 1999 Kosovo mission (19 countries), the 2002 invasion of Afghanistan (48 countries), and the 2003 invasion of Iraq (40 countries), at the height of the size of each coalition. As of today, only 15 countries, including the United States, have committed to providing a military contribution to the Libya war…

Obama put a priority on “formal multilateralism,” as opposed to “operational multilateralism,” concentrating on getting international political bodies to endorse the Libya attack before he focused on getting individual countries to pledge actual military contributions, Bosco said. That’s why the administration, primarily the State Department, is working the phones now to ask countries such as the UAE to chip in a few planes here and there…

Bosco also said Obama was practicing “a la carte multilateralism” by trumpeting the endorsement of certain regional international organizations, such as the Arab League, while dismissing the opinions of other groups, such as the African Union, which strongly opposed the intervention…

Wayne White, a former senior State Department intelligence official now with the Middle East Institute, noted that another problem with the Obama administration’s efforts to build a coalition was its own apparent lack of enthusiasm about the war. It was keenly aware of the war-weary U.S. populace, concerned about the burden of its strategic commitments in Iraq and Afghanistan, and unsure how this would play out in an extremely competitive and divisive election next year, White said.

You can compare the coalitions for each war waged over the past 20 years side-by-side here. Obama’s “triumph” consists of adding two new ingredients to the stew: One is France, which is acting for its own selfish reasons (oil interests, Sarkozy’s domestic political problems, a chance to reclaim some “national greatness” on the cheap), and the other is Arab support via the Arab League, which is trying to stay relevant after decades of serving as a dictator talking shop by surfing the new tide of populist sentiment in the region. France and the Arab League legitimize the mission singlehandedly because, of course, they normally represent anti-American constituencies; if they’re onboard, the thinking goes, then Obama must have performed a truly Houdini-esque feat of diplomatic magic. But that’s stupid: If anything, France persuaded The One into intervening here, not vice versa. They were the ones pressing fervently for an operation while Obama was mulling things over. And the only reason they did that was because they had to have a coalition with America to make the operation feasible, knowing all the while that we’d be forced to take the lead and they’d be credited with “leadership” while providing relatively little by way of assets. In fact, even in our rush to get this thing off our shoulders (as one senior White House official eloquently put it), we’re still going to be in de facto command of the operation via NATO. Not only is this not really “our” coalition, then, but in an operational sense, it’s not much of a coalition at all. And yet somehow we’re the major player. Neat trick, Sarkozy.

A question for those who are super impressed by the new League of Justice: Why, given the comparatively low risk of the operation, isn’t the coalition much bigger? Every potential member understands that, apart from the U.S., UK, and France, their contributions will be token and intended merely to provide symbolic “international legitimacy.” Shouldn’t people be lining up to add a ship or two to the fleet? The only reason I can come up with for why they wouldn’t is that they think either that Qaddafi will survive and will be looking for revenge or that, irrespective of what happens to Qaddafi, Arab opinion of the mission will sour and it’ll turn into a diplomatic clusterfark. Either way, doesn’t say much for the awesomeness of the coalition, does it?


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Too timid to be first…

betsyz on March 25, 2011 at 5:16 PM

So, according to the MSM, going deer-hunting with an accordion means that you’ve got the best coalition in history?

teke184 on March 25, 2011 at 5:17 PM

I hope the French appreciate what American soldiers are doing to protect their oil supply. Yeah I know, wishful thinking.

Go RBNY on March 25, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Size matters, in more ways than one.

*shrug.

ted c on March 25, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Ed, AP,
Is there anyway to photoshop a bag over this guys head when you post his picture?
Or maybe we can contribute several thousand to OFA in his size.
Although a burlap bag may be the only size that fits them ears.

OkieDoc on March 25, 2011 at 5:19 PM

You know what they say about guys with ‘big coalitions’….

…they say the opposite regarding small ones.

jus sayin

ted c on March 25, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Beholden to China financially, and at risk of a terrorist attack, and or Islamic invasion.

Boy oh boy, Obama is just so smart, and cool, and wonderful. NOT!!!!!!!!!!

capejasmine on March 25, 2011 at 5:19 PM

It’s the biggest coalition ever when you adjust for the Obamacurve.

rogerb on March 25, 2011 at 5:22 PM

So, according to the MSM, going deer-hunting with an accordion means that you’ve got the best coalition in history?

teke184 on March 25, 2011 at 5:17 PM


Yep, it’s better than the Delian and the Peloponnesian League combined — along with any other ones you can think of that included hundreds of states/nations.

Demosthenes on March 25, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Making the world safe for Islam…Comrade B. Hussein Obama steps up.

joe btfsplk on March 25, 2011 at 5:25 PM

But…but it’s all about R2P!

kingsjester on March 25, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Just bending that curve downward.

a capella on March 25, 2011 at 5:26 PM

League of Justice: “making Charlie Sheen look rational…”

karl9000 on March 25, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Well done, AP.

John the Libertarian on March 25, 2011 at 5:27 PM

You can compare the coalitions for each war waged over the past 20 years side-by-side here.

“I don’t care. Obama is awesome.”

ladyingray on March 25, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Why, given the comparatively low risk of the operation, isn’t the coalition much bigger?

Because no matter HOW this ends, the members of the ‘coalition’ will be expected to chip in some cash to rebuild Libya as they will be blamed for destroying it!

Freddy on March 25, 2011 at 5:28 PM

They will yet snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. These clowns couldn’t plan a successful panty raid on a sorority house.

GarandFan on March 25, 2011 at 5:28 PM

And I’d be willing to bet that each of the participants was given a different reason, a different rationale, or a very different promise from the White House for their participation. Hence, Germany bailing out…after hostilities started, and the confusion over “mission” once the bombs started falling….and the clamoring to get somebody, anybody, to take over the War once it got under way.

coldwarrior on March 25, 2011 at 5:29 PM

People. Either way he cannot lose. He can lounge about watching college football, snacking, throwing lavish parties, golfing, and frequent vacations, which include friends of in-laws….there will be no repercussions. Ever. He can mock and sneer, give the middle finger and call names to the Tea Party/and or Republicans. He can skip meetings, ignore the all-out emergencies, toss about ridicules of every structure and enterprising foundation this country was built upon.

And this is why…if there was ever a determined conensus to go after his birth certifcate…if there was even a slightest of a congregation to impeach this imbecile….it is all over. Every city in this country would be torched. I am not being alamist…just think of L.A., when there was even a chance that O.J. would be
condemned.

After I pray for the safey of our good men and women in uniform, everyday, I also pray for Obama’s own safety…’cause you don’t want to go there.

betsyz on March 25, 2011 at 5:31 PM

You know that comedian who said Obama supporters talk to him and about him like he’s developmentally disabled?

They report everything that way. It is amazing that this developmentally disabled President could do such a wonderful thing! And those ears are just like angels wings, don’t listen to those other meanies. Now you go get a snack sweetie.

petunia on March 25, 2011 at 5:32 PM

It appears that more countries were in favor of George Bush’s “go it alone” cowboy strategy—so much so that they also threw their hats in the ring to help him out in his loneliness. ah well./

ted c on March 25, 2011 at 5:33 PM

I remember making this very point to crr6 last week. He called me a “lazy thinker” and then made fun of Bush’s coalition members. Funny that, huh?

Weight of Glory on March 25, 2011 at 5:33 PM

Wasn’t Crr gloating about O’s supposed coalition?

CWforFreedom on March 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Alternate Headline:

Obama Suckered by Sarkozy
Oh the humanity irony.

Caststeel on March 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Hey crr6, unlike Bush, your hero O’bama couldn’t even get Albania to help out here!

For shame!

Del Dolemonte on March 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM

I remember making this very point to crr6 last week. He called me a “lazy thinker” and then made fun of Bush’s coalition members. Funny that, huh?

Weight of Glory on March 25, 2011 at 5:33 PM

I didn’t refresh soon enough.

You’re very right.

Several days ago I posted a list of each coalition and Bush’s was much longer.

CWforFreedom on March 25, 2011 at 5:36 PM

Well,I think Hopey has insulted every country on the planet,
since he has been in office,so,Coalition Builder he is not!

Plus,his flippy/floppy and gawd only knows which way he
is going to go,has spooked the World Community,er,World
Leaders!!

canopfor on March 25, 2011 at 5:39 PM

A tad O/T
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Is a Lack of Secure Comms Keeping the F-22 Out of Libya Fight?
Mar 25 2011
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There’s been lots of speculation as to why the F-22s haven’t been sent to Libya; everything from basing concerns to the embarrassment the U.S. would suffer if one of its premiere jets went down in Libya.

An anonymous tipster points out another little fact that may have contributed to the lack of Raptors in Op Odyssey Dawn; the jet’s don’t have the ability to pass secure info to other NATO planes due to their lack of the Link-16 datalink. Instead, the F-22 uses something called the Intra-Flight Data Link (IFDL, pronounced “eye-fiddle”) to pass all sorts of info to other F-22s without being detected by the enemy. The problem is, the Raptor’s advanced data link only works with other Raptors.

The Air Force is currently working to install Harris’ Multifunction Advanced Data Link (MADL, pronounced “maddle”) in the Raptor. This will allow it to securely communicate with the nation’s other stealth jets; the B-2 Spirit bomber and F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter, both of which will also have MADL.
(More…..)

Read more: http://defensetech.org/#ixzz1HeMiTK1V
Defense.org

canopfor on March 25, 2011 at 5:43 PM

I remember making this very point to crr6 last week. He called me a “lazy thinker” and then made fun of Bush’s coalition members. Funny that, huh?

Weight of Glory on March 25, 2011 at 5:33 PM

LOL. i recall that.

Then again you know what you call people who can’t stop saying “yeah, but Bush did ______________.”? That’s right. Losers who can’t let go when it’s clear their guy isn’t the ONE we’ve been waiting for…

mjk on March 25, 2011 at 5:43 PM

One is France, which is acting for its own selfish reasons (oil interests, Sarkozy’s domestic political problems, a chance to reclaim some “national greatness” on the cheap)

Ed, I don’t think this is really fair.

France, both the people, and the government, has moved incredibly to the right since the days of Chiraq. I believe this is from a very real awakening they had to due to their…demographic shift…in the last couple of years.

While the reasons you listed may be true, I don’t think you give the people, or Sarkozy, enough credit when it comes to genuinely wanting to combat this mess. I saw a news clip where they interviewed some of the pilots and naval crew, as well as their families, and they were very proud of what they were doing.

What’s more concerning to me, is the insane policy reversal that the US and France have done. Who would have thought that France of all countries, would be the one pushing for a strike on a foreign country?

You-Eh-Vee on March 25, 2011 at 5:45 PM

… Reuters’s latest excrescence.

LOL! Stool Sample!

ExpressoBold on March 25, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Several days ago I posted a list of each coalition and Bush’s was much longer.

CWforFreedom on March 25, 2011 at 5:36 PM

Indeed

Weight of Glory on March 25, 2011 at 5:48 PM

I know how this works. I grew up in Inglewood, CA. First, the blacks took the city buses to “integrate” the schools. Then we had the white,very liberal teachers, who virtuously showed every movie that proved bigotry, while they formed resumes and fled. And fled they did. While in high-school, virtually every class was substituted with substitutes.

betsyz on March 25, 2011 at 5:50 PM

“Why, given the comparatively low risk of the operation, isn’t the coalition much bigger?”

Maybe because they know that a majority of the ‘Rebels’ are actually Al Queda…

… and backing them, and arming them is not such a good idea.

Seven Percent Solution on March 25, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Obama is the smallest pipsqueak president in American history as well.

Key West Reader on March 25, 2011 at 5:51 PM

I remember making this very point to crr6 last week. He called me a “lazy thinker” and then made fun of Bush’s coalition members. Funny that, huh?

Weight of Glory on March 25, 2011 at 5:33 PM

I didn’t refresh soon enough.

You’re very right.

Several days ago I posted a list of each coalition and Bush’s was much longer.

CWforFreedom on March 25, 2011 at 5:36 PM

Your list, according to the law student, was “LOL-worthy”, because it included Albania.

But Lazy Thinker crr6 fails to grasp how significant the participation of Albania was. This was a tiny country that had been repressed to a degree comparable to China and North Korea by its longtime dictator, Enver Hoxa.

After they gained their freedom in 1991, too late to help out Pappy Bush in Kuwait, they never helped Bill Clinton out in the Balkans. But they did help Chimpy out.

Quite remarkable for a tiny country that had 5-Year Plans like Mao only 15 years previously.

Del Dolemonte on March 25, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Let’s see

1. Planes from Qatar and UAE policing NFZ
2. No lies about WMD and nuke threat to justify invasion

If the point is to frame the Libya mission as unjustified and less multilateral in the world’s eyes than the 2003 invasion of Iraq, then the two above facts make this “analysis” is moot in that regard.

underceij on March 25, 2011 at 5:52 PM

2. No lies about WMD and nuke threat to justify invasion

underceij on March 25, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Now you are lying .

There were no lies. The fact is Crr and other trolls said this coalition was bigger which was another lie. Now GFY.

CWforFreedom on March 25, 2011 at 5:55 PM

then the two above facts make this “analysis” is moot in that regard.

underceij on March 25, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Nice prose there, Walt Whitman.

kingsjester on March 25, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Let’s see

1. Planes from Qatar and UAE policing NFZ
2. No lies about WMD and nuke threat to justify invasion

If the point is to frame the Libya mission as unjustified and less multilateral in the world’s eyes than the 2003 invasion of Iraq, then the two above facts make this “analysis” is moot in that regard.

underceij on March 25, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Dear Mr. Axelrod:

Your boss has big britches that he cannot fill. Your boss has a lot to answer for. Your boss is a failure and a laughingstock in the eyes of the International Community. Your boss was pussified enough to phone it in while he went on va-cay-cay with the big mooch and his mother in law. Your boss danced the cha-cha in his seat while he ordered bombs to be dropped inside a country that was no threat to the USA. Your boss is so pussified that he is unwilling to confront the real issues of genocide in places like Darfur, Somalia, North Korea.

Tell your boss to pull up his tu-tu and get his azz on the next plane out of the US. He can fly coach.

Key West Reader on March 25, 2011 at 5:58 PM

then the two above facts make this “analysis” is moot in that regard.

underceij on March 25, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Did you even look at the lists? You are useful.

CWforFreedom on March 25, 2011 at 5:58 PM

The Weapons We’re Hitting Gadhafi With
Mar 20 2011
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I want to share this quick rundown of all the allied weaponry being thrown at Col. Gadhafi’s forces that my old colleague Chris Cavas tacked on to the end of a story about the strikes. It’s apparent that the U.S. and our allies are throwing all the tools of modern, high-end war at the Libyan government, from submarine-launched cruise missiles to strikes by B-2 Spirit bombers and British Tornado and French Rafale fighters. Even ancient airframes mounted with modern sensors like the Navy’s P-3 Orion and EP-3 Aries patrol planes are in the mix. It’s an example of the type of old fashioned, high-tech, knock em dead with overwhelming force, air– and sea-campaign that we haven’t seen for a while.
——————

Here we go:
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UNITED STATES
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Submarines Providence, Scranton and Florida launching Tomahawks.

Destroyers Barry and Stout launching Tomahawks.

Amphibious assault ships Kearsarge and Ponce, carrying Marines of the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU).

Command ship Mount Whitney.

Support ships Lewis and Clark, Robert E. Peary and Kanawha.

U.S. Navy aircraft include EA-18G Growler electronic air warfare aircraft, at least four P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft and one EP-3E Aries electronic surveillance aircraft, all flying from land bases in the Mediterranean. Marine Corps AV-8B Harrier jets are operating from the Kearsarge.

Air Force aircraft include B-2 stealth bombers and F-15 and F-16 fighters.

The Bataan Amphibious Ready Group will deploy from Norfolk,Va., on March 23 ahead of schedule to support Odyssey Dawn operations. The group includes the amphibious ships Bataan, Mesa Verde and Whidbey Island carrying the 22nd MEU.
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FRANCE
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Aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle left its base at Toulon March 20 en route to waters off Libya. De Gaulle is carrying 20 aircraft, including Rafale and Super Etendard strike fighters, and is escorted by the destroyers Dupleix and Forbin, frigate Aconit, oiler La Meuse, and an unnamed nuclear attack submarine.

Destroyer Jean Bart already on the scene.

French land-based strike aircraft spearheaded the March 19 attacks on Libya.
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ITALY
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Destroyer Andrea Doria Frigate Euro Support ship Etna As of early March 20, more ships were to be en route from Italy: destroyer Francesco Mimbelli; frigate Fenice; patrol ships Libra and Sirio; amphibious ships San Giorgio and San Marco.

At least 4 Tornado strike aircraft and 4 other combat aircraft are available.
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CANADA
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Frigate Charlottetown Six CF-18 Hornet strike fighters Canada’s forces are operating as part of Operation Mobile.
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UNITED KINGDOM
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Unnamed Trafalgar-class nuclear attack submarine launching Tomahawks.

Frigates Westminster and Cumberland.

Typhoon and Tornado strike aircraft operating from Gioia del Colle air base in southern Italy. Tornado GR4s with Storm Shadow cruise missiles took place in the initial strikes on March 19, flying from the Royal Air Force (RAF) base at Marham in Norfolk, eastern England. Agence-France Presse reported the aircraft conducted four mid-air refueling operations during the 3,000-mile, eight-hour mission, the longest Royal Air Force bombing mission since the 1982 Falklands war.

Additionally, E3-D Sentry, Sentinel and Tristar surveillance aircraft and VC-10 aerial tankers are operating.

The British effort against Libya is dubbed Operation Ellamy.
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BELGIUM
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Six F-16 fighters to be ready for operations March 21.
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DENMARK
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Six F-16 fighters and a transport are operating from Sigonella air base on Sicily.
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QATAR
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Four combat aircraft reportedly are in operation by March 20.
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SPAIN
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Four F-18 strike fighters are operating from Decimomannu air base on the Italian island of Sardinia.

One aerial tanker and one CN-235 maritime surveillance plane.

A submarine and frigate are to deploy this week pending parliamentary approval, according to Deutsche Presse-Agentur.
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UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
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Strike aircraft are reported en route to Decimomannu air base.

The U.S. aircraft carrier Enterprise, which recently passed through the Mediterranean, is now in the Arabian Sea conducting air operations over Afghanistan for Operation Enduring Freedom.

Compiled from reports from U.S. Department of Defense, U.S. Africa Command, U.S. Navy, British Ministry of Defence, Canadian Forces, Agence France-Presse, Deutsche Presse-Agentur.
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Read more: http://defensetech.org/2011/03/20/the-weapons-were-hitting-ghadafi-with/#ixzz1HeQIComr
Defense.org

canopfor on March 25, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Yes, but the whole world hated us because of Bush and O’Bozo has restored the world’s affection for America.

So, shut up, they explained.

Jaibones on March 25, 2011 at 5:58 PM

.

underceij on March 25, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Oh and does our mission include removal of Daffy or not? What is today’s answer? You’re laughable.

CWforFreedom on March 25, 2011 at 5:59 PM

less multilateral

underceij on March 25, 2011 at 5:52 PM

You got it and our facts far outweigh yours.

CWforFreedom on March 25, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Undertheinfluence:

How many people did Saddam torture, gas, or kill?

CWforFreedom on March 25, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Let’s see
 
1. Planes from Qatar and UAE policing NFZ
2. No lies about WMD and nuke threat to justify invasion
 
If the point is to frame the Libya mission as unjustified and less multilateral in the world’s eyes than the 2003 invasion of Iraq, then the two above facts make this “analysis” is moot in that regard.
 
underceij on March 25, 2011 at 5:52 PM

 
I’m unconcerned about troops from Qatar or anywhere else as they aren’t covered by the Constitution. Can you tell me how this mission bombing is legal under the War Powers Act? No interpretations, no “Holder/Obama/Hillary says…” Just per the text:
 

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/usc_sup_01_50_10_33.html
 
Thanks in advance.

rogerb on March 25, 2011 at 6:01 PM

“… then the two above facts make this “analysis” is moot in that regard.

underceij on March 25, 2011 at 5:52 PM

What ever you paid for your education…

… you were seriously ripped off.

Seven Percent Solution on March 25, 2011 at 6:01 PM

… you were seriously ripped off.

Seven Percent Solution on March 25, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Undertheinfluence is not a very complex thinker.

Under: How many killings and crimes would be enough for you to think attacking Saddam would justify a Libya like attack by this tiny coalition?

CWforFreedom on March 25, 2011 at 6:05 PM

I keep looking for how much each “partner” is “contributing” to the “effort” but nobody is saying.
IMHO a lot is token. A half a dozen or two birds. A patrol vessel. Then there are ROE that nobody is talking about either. So far, the Libya “No Fly Zone” is “heap big smoke but no fire”. Another O’Bambi operation where teh Oen is voting present again.

Caststeel on March 25, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Under reminds me of Fins. Post a few illogical ideas then run.

CWforFreedom on March 25, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Thanks in advance.

rogerb on March 25, 2011 at 6:01 PM

I am with you but unfortunately they have turned the Constitution on its head. Heck they have turned Obama and Biden’s own words on their heads.

CWforFreedom on March 25, 2011 at 6:07 PM

“I don’t care. Obama is awesome.”

ladyingray on March 25, 2011 at 5:27 PM

BushCheneyHaliburtonBuffoon!!!1!!!111

csdeven on March 25, 2011 at 6:12 PM

2. No lies about WMD and nuke threat to justify invasion

underceij on March 25, 2011 at 5:52 PM

You’re boring. And a liar.

The “lies” Bush told about WMDs were the same “lies” the Democrats were saying 5 years earlier. At the time she voted to sign off on the Resolution to use force, Senator Hillary Clinton said she based her vote not on what Bush’s intel people told her, but what her husband’s intel people told her.

F-

Del Dolemonte on March 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM

Its the largest coalition ever when you add the East Anglia University Hockeystick correction curve.

MCW on March 25, 2011 at 6:21 PM

underceij on March 25, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Ever heard of the Prince Sultan Air Base you ignorant moron?

csdeven on March 25, 2011 at 6:26 PM

How many UN resolutions against Iraq?

CWforFreedom on March 25, 2011 at 6:29 PM

For the price of a few jet flights and a commitment nobody takes seriously, Qatar, the UAE, and the rest of the ME Dictator’s Club gets some stars on their Human Rights Report Cards.

Might come in handy next time they have some rebels of their own.

They are laughing at Øbama.

jodetoad on March 25, 2011 at 6:47 PM

Under reminds me of Fins. Post a few illogical ideas then run.

CWforFreedom on March 25, 2011 at 6:06 PM

I noticed that as well. Wouldn’t surprise me if Fins had more than one HA account-trolls have been known to register more than once under different ISPs and e-mail addresses. That way if one persona gets banned, they can silently switch over to another one. In the meantime they occasionally post on their other accounts.

In case you missed it, check out this gem from yesterday on the locked WH door thread:

Ed has a unique ability to spend a bunch of words saying absolutely nothing. It’s impressive and annoying all at once.

underceij on March 24, 2011 at 2:00 PM

Under couldn’t even get one response to that one.

Del Dolemonte on March 25, 2011 at 6:50 PM

Ed has a unique ability to spend a bunch of words saying absolutely nothing. It’s impressive and annoying all at once.

underceij on March 24, 2011 at 2:00 PM

Under couldn’t even get one response to that one.

Del Dolemonte on March 25, 2011 at 6:50 PM

I think I saw that in the dictionary under IRONY.

Underdeij:

Question: In your own life do you wait to do the right thing only if you have enough of your friends with you?

Also, if the evidence is substantive and supports your opinion are you then a liar if it turns out not to be true?

CWforFreedom on March 25, 2011 at 6:58 PM

meh, the lsm will still scream W was a unilateralist, yada, yada, yada…this won’t change their minds in the least sad to say

cmsinaz on March 25, 2011 at 7:00 PM

ted c on March 25, 2011 at 5:19 PM

heh

cmsinaz on March 25, 2011 at 7:01 PM

Hey Ted-
thanks for the linky from right scoop :)

cmsinaz on March 25, 2011 at 7:01 PM

Smaller group doing the fighting but they are operating with the tacit approval of the UNSC and the Arab League. That is significant. I can;t recall the Arab League ever supporting outside intervention like this outside of the usual calls for intervention whenever Israel conducts operations.

lexhamfox on March 25, 2011 at 7:31 PM

operations.

lexhamfox on March 25, 2011 at 7:31 PM

Well congrats spinmaster.

Pathetic.

CWforFreedom on March 25, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Lexham-

So to do the right thing you must have the “right” friends with you? You are pathetic.

An English conservative? In your case that makes you an effin liberal here.

CWforFreedom on March 25, 2011 at 7:58 PM

You know, Obama looks totally clueless in that picture!

He looks like he is giving directions to the local 7-11 more than he looks like a leader!

pilamaye on March 25, 2011 at 8:02 PM

And yet somehow we’re the major player. Neat trick, Sarkozy.

Not really, he like others leaders took measure of Obambi and played him like the neophyte he was, each to their own ends.

Name one agreement where Obambi won and they necessarily lost? START? Not hardly, Poland/Czech vs Russia? Nope. Not one.

Wait one, it’s not about ‘them’, it’s actually about us. We the People have been on the losing end of every thing Obambi’s touched.

AH_C on March 25, 2011 at 8:25 PM

One is France, which is acting for its own selfish reasons (oil interests, Sarkozy’s domestic political problems, a chance to reclaim some “national greatness” on the cheap)
–Those reasons AND Ghadaffi’s traditional fiddling about in North Africa and West Africa with French allies and former colonies. Ghadaffi tried subverting French-friendly Arab governments in Morocco and Lebanon and invaded the Aouzou strip (which sparked a war that turned into yet another Libyan debacle). The French have good reason to be as jaundiced towards the Ghadaffi regime as many Americans.

Grunchy Cranola on March 25, 2011 at 8:28 PM

France buys 10 percent of the oil from Libya and Europe buys 80 percent. Just sayin.

Troll so quiet.

CWforFreedom on March 25, 2011 at 8:35 PM

An English conservative? In your case that makes you an effin liberal here.

CWforFreedom on March 25, 2011 at 7:58 PM

I’m American. You’re a jerk in any crowd.

lexhamfox on March 26, 2011 at 7:38 AM